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« Reply #250 on: December 19, 2019, 07:35:39 PM »
These young people have acquired an indelible connection with nature.


Beekeepers traumatised and counselled after hearing animals screaming in pain after bushfires

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-20/beekeepers-traumatised-by-screaming-animals-after-bushfires/11721756
  by By Kerrin Thomas , Michael Cavanagh and Kim Honan


Beekeepers checking on hives are some of the first people into fire-ravaged forests, and are not prepared for the traumatic sights and sounds of wounded and suffering animals.

"It's doing their heads in, the screaming animals, the animals that are in pain, that are crying out in the forest, it's absolutely horrific," Mr Targett said.

One beekeeper employs some young people and it has really traumatised them.

"So the beekeeper has arranged counselling for these young beekeepers who went into the forest and he won't allow them back into the forest for a period of time."

"The fires were that hot in places that some beekeepers, who have a fairly good understanding of their local bush, don't believe those trees will be flowering or producing nectar and pollen for the bees for at least 20 years and in some cases they don't believe it'll be in their lifetime," he said.
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« Reply #251 on: December 22, 2019, 01:15:36 PM »
Just in case you did not notice, the Winter Solstice was at 4:19 a.m. GMT on 22nd December, i.e. today.

There is a rumour that down south they had a summer solstice at the same time, but I think it's a fairy tale.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/22/druids-and-dancers-gather-at-stonehenge-to-mark-winter-solstice
Druids and dancers gather at Stonehenge to mark winter solstice
Crowds brave the Wiltshire cold to watch the sun rise after the longest night of the year

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The solstice marks the symbolic death and rebirth of the sun, and begins the gradual lengthening of days and shortening of nights.
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« Reply #252 on: December 22, 2019, 01:22:24 PM »
So, how does one become a druid? I think i want that.
The apocalypse is already here; it's just not very evenly distributed.

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« Reply #253 on: December 22, 2019, 04:22:05 PM »
Are you sure? It's very cold there outside and it may even rain. A druid is outside a lot. You may want to reconsider blum ;D
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« Reply #254 on: December 22, 2019, 04:40:40 PM »
Wait, sure one can't just druid from home?
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« Reply #255 on: December 22, 2019, 05:27:28 PM »
I don't think central heating is part of the druid package.


From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid#Societal_role_and_training

Druidic lore consisted of a large number of verses learned by heart, and Caesar remarked that it could take up to twenty years to complete the course of study. What was taught to druid novices anywhere is conjecture: of the druids' oral literature, not one certifiably ancient verse is known to have survived, even in translation.[citation needed] All instruction was communicated orally

Greek and Roman writers frequently made reference to the druids as practitioners of human sacrifice.[23] According to Caesar, those who had been found guilty of theft or other criminal offences were considered preferable for use as sacrificial victims, but when criminals were in short supply, innocents would be acceptable. A form of sacrifice recorded by Caesar was the burning alive of victims in a large wooden effigy,
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« Reply #256 on: December 22, 2019, 05:34:56 PM »
OK, drop that druid thingy. Lost me at "human sacrifice".
The apocalypse is already here; it's just not very evenly distributed.

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« Reply #257 on: December 22, 2019, 10:32:58 PM »
India is fighting a losing war against poachers who kill huge numbers of mongooses to obtain their hair for...
making artist paintbrushes.
This is actually threatening the population of the species.
Meanwhile, conservationists are fighting a losing battle to keep down the population of mongooses on a number of islands where they are pests.
Maybe I am too stupid to think right about this, but why can't we put a bounty on nonnative island mongooses to get the hair for the paintbrushes, and take the pressure off their native range?
SHARKS (CROSSED OUT) MONGEESE (SIC) WITH FRICKIN LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS

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« Reply #258 on: December 23, 2019, 12:30:27 AM »
Re: a large number of verses learned by heart

sorta like Brahmin priests and the Vedas

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« Reply #259 on: December 23, 2019, 11:23:44 PM »
Iirc it was Gurdgieff who introduced me to the idea that the long verse narratives that were plied as a trade by professional storytellers were actually a means of transmitting huge amounts of information through the generations without the storyteller having to know what he was transmitting. I sort of got it but 'Homers secret Iliad' demonstrated that i really hadn't, my guess is that 'Homer' was the joint work of the enslaved Troian bards preserving their culture and history for posterity, so perhaps as close as anything to a western tradition of 'Druidism' we have.
Here's Ceasars take on the Druids and a critique that seems even handed to me, from the Barddas.

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« Reply #260 on: December 24, 2019, 11:29:58 AM »
Some nice personal Christmas experiences:

A couple of days ago a kind man gave me a professional warm coat + hat from his previous work at farms. Much appreciated.
Also a couple of days ago a friendly couple invited me at their house for Boxing Day in the afternoon.
House is warm: 17C now. Thanks neighbours :)
This morning I solved a 13* sudoku puzzle (Denksport) without making notes.

Thank god I don't have to spend time with my family (they look down on me for being poor and treat me like shit).


I wish all forum friends a warm, intimate and meaningful Christmas.
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« Reply #261 on: December 24, 2019, 11:40:00 AM »
The same for you, nanning, and for the rest of members and readers!!!
From this neck of the woods.

(nanning, have you seen this thread?
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1677.0.html

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« Reply #262 on: December 24, 2019, 03:59:39 PM »
Thanks for the link to that thread dear Doubtlover, interesting :).
Kept the solar panels free of snow I see :) Nice winter scene over there. Not so much over here. I've just sat for almost 4 hours in 7C in the rain.
Enjoy your holiday.
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« Reply #263 on: December 24, 2019, 04:27:14 PM »
They've either spent a fortune on insulation, or the water pipes have frozen and burst.
It looks idyllic, but uninhabitable/uninhabited.


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« Reply #264 on: December 24, 2019, 09:12:43 PM »
Well, Terry, that's my home, where I live all year around.
Didn't expend a penny in insulation, it has very old 1m think rock walls. Only two little windows with single glass and wood cover. The roof has a wavy thin old protection for the water, the tiles on top and a wooden false ceiling where some families of dormice live without paying any rent.
The temperature now in winter inside the  house moves between 10-14°C, now with the fireplace on, in the evening I keep it around 16°C for two or three hours. The bathroom is in the little shed without any heating, the temperature there stays between 5-10°C. You get use to it. It's not painful ;)
The snow doesn't stay for many days, but comes frequently. But yes I have to keep the PVs clean, the sun has been very rare companion the last two months.

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« Reply #265 on: December 24, 2019, 09:26:08 PM »
My bad!
I saw the snow on the chimneys & the roof and assumed it was boarded up.


We've a few buildings that I can see from here where some snow has accumulated on the roof, but with most it's gone in a day.


Beautiful location!


Post a photo when the buildings are visible.
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« Reply #266 on: December 24, 2019, 09:45:22 PM »
We've a few buildings that I can see from here where some snow has accumulated on the roof, but with most it's gone in a day.
Terry
Snow on roofs is the easiest way to see who's got good roof insulation and who has not. In a cool / cold climate roof insulation is probably the easiest and cheapest home energy saving measure.
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« Reply #267 on: December 25, 2019, 06:37:28 AM »
Re: chimney

A TIP!
When outside in the cold, your neck/head opening in your clothes functions as a chimney. There you are venting your body warmth.
A very effective and cheap way to stay warm is to wear a separate winter collar. I wear those with the rear side pulled up high onto my bald spot, and then put a hat with ear flaps over it. When I've visited the supermarket in that outfit, almost always am I sweating from the excess heat that can't escape my body.
I think that most people won't wear that because they think it looks silly.
By the way, I never wear sunglasses or somesuch. My eyes are okay, I don't need glasses and I like to see other people's eyes. In the old days nobody had sunglasses.
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« Reply #268 on: December 25, 2019, 07:22:06 AM »
turtleneck weater, and hooded sweatshirt or jacket seems to do it for me. But when it hits 0F and below, with the wind howling, then i really need the big hat with earmuffs, big insulation on gloves and shoes, greatcoat, scarf and all the rest of it, especially the underlayers.

Also depends on how much subcutaneous fat you got and if you are chopping wood or standing around.

This is a ridiculously warm xmas in OH and western PA. Cant remember one this warm since the late 80's.

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« Reply #269 on: December 25, 2019, 10:39:26 AM »
Terry, this is another photo trying to imitate the other one, but taken this morning with no snow.
Being in the north of Spain we don't suffer from long periods under 0°C, but staying just over is frequent.
I don't cut trees for wood. Only use broken ones. A beautiful old, big, beech did fall a week ago and with this new delicious spring weather I'm up to chop it for winter next year. Last week I was searching wolves in the snow storm and today is going to be sweating with no clothes on top. Crazy weather.
Happy xmas for u all

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« Reply #270 on: December 25, 2019, 09:54:00 PM »
Snow on roofs is the easiest way to see who's got good roof insulation and who has not. In a cool / cold climate roof insulation is probably the easiest and cheapest home energy saving measure.

Last time when we had a meaningful amount of snow in the netherlands they flew around in helicopters. Some roofs had no snow because they had a rather large energy output because they had weed farms in the attic. Most of them did not make it to the end of that winter.
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« Reply #271 on: December 26, 2019, 11:25:21 AM »
Aporia
Your home is stunningly beautiful.


Clay tile roofs are few and far between here in Canada, but in Southern California almost all of the old buildings utilized "Mission style" or "Nun & Monk" tiles molded against the thigh of the potter. Mass produced interlocking S shaped tiles have largely replaced these, but century + old examples still keep the rain out.


When a Basque whaling port was discovered in Labrador, it was the remains of the aged red clay roofing tiles that gave the location away at Red Bay. This site has been dated to as early as 1530.


https://www.newfoundlandlabrador.com/top-destinations/red-bay


A layer of fireproofed, rodent and insect repellent cellulose insolation can be blown in over a weekend & might save a bit of fuel without disturbing any of the living area. Rough on the mice, but could raise the temperature without requiring additional windfall fuel.


The buildings appear ready to serve for generations. Congratulations! and thanks for the photos.
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« Reply #272 on: December 26, 2019, 09:03:04 PM »
Thanks to you Terry, also for the link.
The big building is 5x5m inside and it was a barn, the small one is actually where people stayed seasonally. In the sixties the barn was transformed into the house and the small one used as warehouse and bathroom. After the reforms it was only used during weekends. I came in three years ago. Installed the PVs and brought a washing machine and a fridge.

About the insulation, thanks again, but I'm staying like this. I have to think any expense and the dormice are not a problem. I heard lots of terrible stories about them being a pest. The way the roof is, allows them to have their room without making any mess. Well, they are very noisy in June, July looking for a partner and you can hear them on top of your head rattling wile running at night. But they spend winter hibernating. And they were here before me.Sending a photo of one of them, hanging on one of the wooden beams. I feel very lucky for being able to share my home with such a wild animal. This is in a Natural Park and it's wildlife is a treasure that constantly amaze me.
https://www.turismoasturias.es/en/descubre/naturaleza/reservas-de-la-biosfera/parque-natural-de-redes
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« Reply #274 on: January 20, 2020, 06:13:06 PM »
Sadhguru @SadhguruJV ·3h ago
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« Reply #275 on: January 22, 2020, 09:24:29 PM »
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Was a [Sarc] implied?
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« Reply #276 on: January 22, 2020, 10:13:20 PM »
TerryM, not in my interpretation.
https://twitter.com/SadhguruJV/status/1219253766911754241
No 2 of us are the same so some might disagree, it is ok for me.

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