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Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« Reply #200 on: December 01, 2018, 07:48:31 PM »
Lurk, you forgot to include the link to the RT article where you obtained that drivel about that "coup" in Ukraine.

Did you think including that link would be a too obvious sign of your pro-Putin bias ?


Do you still insist that the violent ouster of an elected head of state shouldn't be referred to as a "coup"? Does Dark Moses propose that we rewrite all of our dictionaries?


Words matter, and words have definitions that can't be changed whenever they don't fit within your biased world view.


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« Reply #201 on: December 03, 2018, 08:44:20 AM »
And you are their HERO, Rob. These people would be nowhere without you.

Well look at that.

Now I'm not just responsible for inciting WW III, but also personally responsible for putting villains like Putin and bin Salman in their place of power ?

Imagine what I could do for you, Neven ;D
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« Reply #202 on: December 28, 2018, 07:51:20 PM »
The News-Weak Magazine, wanting to present 3 unique perspectives on the Ukrainian situation, enlists the aid of 3 different Atlantic Council Members.
Quite similar to asking 3 NASCAR employees their thoughts on pending legislation concerning noise pollution during sporting events.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447578-newsweek-atlantic-council-russia/

News-Weak continues it's tradition of weak journalism bolstered by strong propaganda.
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« Reply #203 on: January 02, 2019, 11:41:33 AM »
Finally, a clear and convincing — and unrefuted — case can now be presented to the public, as to precisely whom the guilty party was, that downed the MH17 Malaysian airliner over Ukraine on 17 July 2014, and why it was done. The complete case, which will be fully documented here, displays unequivocally who needed the MH17 murders (of 298 persons) to be perpetrated. This mass-murder was done for one leader’s very pressing obsession. For him, it simply had to be done, and done at that precise time.

The full MH17 case will be presented here, to be judged by the public, because no court of law which possesses the power to bring this (or even any) case on the MH17 murders, is willing to do so, and because the evidence in this 17 July 2014 case has become overwhelming, and is unrefuted. This evidence is accepted by both sides. But it still remains effectively hidden from the publics in the United States and its allied countries. (The present news-report, which is the first ever to present this entire case, is submitted to all news-media in English-speaking countries, so that any of them that wishes to provide its audience access to this uncontested and conclusive evidence in the MH17 case can do so, by publishing this article. Any of them that won’t, don’t want their audience to have access to the conclusive evidence in this case, because this article is being made available to all of them to publish, free of charge; so, there is no other reason not to publish it.)

The complete evidence will be described, and all of the conclusive evidence is linked-to, proving who perpetrated, and who demanded, the shoot-down on 17 July 2014 of the Malaysian airliner MH17.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/31/mh17-turnabout-ukraines-guilt-now-proven/

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« Reply #204 on: January 02, 2019, 04:11:41 PM »
Quite a sickening piece. I am dutch but missed most of this because there was other stuff on my mind. Too bad i can´t peek into Ruttes head. At some point it must have been clear who did this but then you have to hide it and shit on 196 of your citizens.

Also entirely ignored in the Ukrainain team’s ‘explanation’ of the event is why Ukraine’s air-traffic control had guided the MH17’s pilot to fly over the conflict-zone where Ukraine’s civil war was being waged and where Ukraine’s war-planes were bombing. The MH17’s pilot was instructed by Ukraine’s air-traffic control to take that path instead of the one that the airline had planned and that had become normal during the civil war. This was highly abnormal, and it doomed the MH17. Clearly, only Ukraine’s Government could, and did, do that — change the route, and for only that one plane.

I hope the relatives will pursue some further action in the civil court just to see if it would wake up anyone in this country.
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« Reply #205 on: January 02, 2019, 04:30:38 PM »
Harvard Library lists Greanville Post as a fake news site...just sayin'
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« Reply #206 on: January 02, 2019, 09:16:12 PM »
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/worst-examples-fake-news-media/
Take a look at the rundown below and note that these are just some of the worst — the mainstream media has spread quite a bit of fake news over the years. We’ve included an eighth example from Clinton’s campaign and cronies as a bonus.

So just to be sure I checked and the western journal isn't on the "list".
http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

and from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Western_Journal
Western Journalism features “conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters.”[7] and seeks to provide “God-honoring” content.

From wikipedia on wikipedia: Wikipedia has been criticized for exhibiting systemic bias, for presenting a mixture of "truths, half truths, and some falsehoods",[18] and for being subject to manipulation and spin in controversial topics

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« Reply #207 on: January 02, 2019, 09:54:42 PM »
Ah, whataboutism. How original!  ;D ;D ;D
"A force de chercher de bonnes raisons, on en trouve; on les dit; et après on y tient, non pas tant parce qu'elles sont bonnes que pour ne pas se démentir." Choderlos de Laclos "You struggle to come up with some valid reasons, then cling to them, not because they're good, but just to not back down."

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« Reply #208 on: January 03, 2019, 12:13:12 AM »
How can anyone be convinced by this article that reads like a pile of propaganda? I honestly tried and failed to read through the repetitive hammering of the main theme, with so little actual claims to back it up.

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Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« Reply #209 on: January 21, 2020, 03:05:33 AM »

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« Reply #210 on: January 22, 2020, 11:01:54 PM »
^^
Raman!!


That is one hell of a link sidd!  - Thanks
It demands a read by everyone questioning the MSM's position regarding the Ukraine and Russia's reaction to the Nazi coup that both Canadian and American governments support.


Is the much lauded FBI finally coming to the realization that these Nazi's need to be spied upon, infiltrated and locked up?


Shocking!
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Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« Reply #211 on: January 23, 2020, 07:16:35 AM »
"Is the much lauded FBI finally coming to the realization that these Nazi's need to be spied upon, infiltrated and locked up? "

[sarc]
No and that's not surprising Terry because in an upside down world the 'nazi's' are the good guys. e.g. XR and FFF are on the police terrorist list in the U.K. That is consistent with 'nazi's' being the good guys.
[/sarc]
Who are we kidding? Ourselves.

The humans fighting the righteous causes are prosecuted and murdered whilst the evil violent humans without a conscience rise to the top and are 'succesful' and get away with murder. Lies are more important than truth. Everyone by himself in stead of together and sharing. Upside down.

All pyramids should be levelled.
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« Reply #212 on: January 23, 2020, 02:40:52 PM »
^^
Ramen!!
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« Reply #213 on: January 23, 2020, 03:37:45 PM »
All pyramids should be levelled.

You forgot metaphorical...or so i hope.  :o
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« Reply #214 on: January 23, 2020, 04:59:18 PM »
I left that out on purpose kassy.
Gizeh? What a monstrosity of a memorial to Insanity and Suffering. Equality? Freedom? Rights? Humanist?
Almost all hierarchies are bad in my understanding.
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« Reply #215 on: January 23, 2020, 05:13:36 PM »
I left that out on purpose kassy.
Gizeh? What a monstrosity of a memorial to Insanity and Suffering. Equality? Freedom? Rights? Humanist?
Almost all hierarchies are bad in my understanding.


Without some form of hierarchy we're left with anarchy.
Is anarchy a preferable choice in a crowded, armed world?


"All Animals are Equal - but some are More Equal"
Was that Orwell, or a Lion King?


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« Reply #216 on: January 24, 2020, 06:23:12 AM »
We are living with far too many people together. People don't personally know all the others anymore. People don't know their leaders.

This is an unnatural situation and faulty human organisation (tribe/grouping). How to best implement an unnatural system? I don't know but I am not interested in the answer. It is insanity every which way. No offence. Just the view from living nature/reality/alien perspective.

That quote is from Orwell's "Animal Farm" if I'm not mistaken,  which, in a completely unnatural setting as a mirror to civilisation, explores insanities and temptations/corruption in hierarchies.

"King" is an insane concept (leader-of-the-conquering-terrorists-and-owner-of-land-and-people), as is "Lion King". Please leave the animals out of human insane fantasies :). Reality doesn't work like that.
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« Reply #217 on: January 24, 2020, 08:20:16 PM »
^^
nanning.
I spent hours on a response, then lost it in the wilds of the interweb. There really wasn't much in it of substance in it.


Have a Great Day!
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« Reply #218 on: January 25, 2020, 07:08:50 AM »
Thank you so much for your efforts, openness and response to my views Terry.
My experience is that even when I've lost something after a lot of thinking and formulating, the patterns are still in my brain and the effort is not lost.
A great day to you as well!
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