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Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« Reply #200 on: November 30, 2018, 08:35:27 AM »
Lurk, you forgot to include the link to the RT article where you obtained that drivel about that "coup" in Ukraine.

Did you think including that link would be a too obvious sign of your pro-Putin bias ?

Do you think?

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« Reply #201 on: November 30, 2018, 02:50:58 PM »
What's cookin' in The Ukriane?

Ukraine bans Russian men aged 16 to 60 from entering country
Published time: 30 Nov, 2018 07:55

Kiev has barred Russian men between 16 and 60 from traveling to Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko has said. He tweeted on Friday that the restrictions have been introduced “so that Russia does not form in Ukraine units of ‘private’ armies.”

The head of the border service, Petro Tsygykal, said that the entry of foreigners has already been limited. Tsygykal cited in a televised meeting the “non-admission of citizens of the Russian Federation aged from 16 to 60, male.”

This week, Ukraine imposed martial law in several regions after the Kerch Strait standoff.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavel Klimkin said on Thursday night that the government in Kiev will soon unilaterally terminate about 40 bilateral agreements with Russia. “Recently, we have terminated 48 international agreements [with Russia]. However, this should be done very carefully… so that our Ukrainian citizens were not affected,” he said.

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« Reply #202 on: November 30, 2018, 03:33:18 PM »
Enough is enough. It's time the US starts bombing the hell out of Russia (and Iran and China while you're at it, drop them freedom bombs). Everyone agrees. Mattis, Pompeo, Bolton, the Atlantic Council, Lockheed, Clinton, Raytheon, Kristol, Boeing, Browder, Northtrop Gumman, Gisser, Dekker.
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Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« Reply #203 on: December 01, 2018, 03:10:58 AM »
Hey Neven, look :

Your #2 HERO planned to give your #1 HERO the $50 Million Penthouse In your #2 HERO Tower Moscow :

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the

And, look here :
Your #4 HERO is pal-ing up with your #1 HERO while your #2 HERO wished he could join :



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« Reply #204 on: December 01, 2018, 11:46:39 AM »
And you are their HERO, Rob. These people would be nowhere without you.
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Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« Reply #205 on: December 01, 2018, 07:48:31 PM »
Lurk, you forgot to include the link to the RT article where you obtained that drivel about that "coup" in Ukraine.

Did you think including that link would be a too obvious sign of your pro-Putin bias ?


Do you still insist that the violent ouster of an elected head of state shouldn't be referred to as a "coup"? Does Dark Moses propose that we rewrite all of our dictionaries?


Words matter, and words have definitions that can't be changed whenever they don't fit within your biased world view.


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« Reply #206 on: December 03, 2018, 08:44:20 AM »
And you are their HERO, Rob. These people would be nowhere without you.

Well look at that.

Now I'm not just responsible for inciting WW III, but also personally responsible for putting villains like Putin and bin Salman in their place of power ?

Imagine what I could do for you, Neven ;D
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« Reply #207 on: December 28, 2018, 12:21:32 AM »
Apparently, George Galloway (ex-UK MP) is somewhat concerned as reports suggest:

The report in British newspaper the Times, that Chechen Islamists, many reeling from defeat in Syria and Iraq amongst the alphabet soup of fanaticism, had indeed arrived at the war front in eastern Ukraine, woke me up from any Christmas torpor.

An earlier report in the New York Times had revealed that the Islamist Chechens were under the command of the fascist “Right Sector” and were there to “fight Russians” because “we like fighting Russians” and “will never stop fighting Russians.” 

Maybe worth being aware of. Not that there is anything anyone here could ever influence one way or the other.
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« Reply #208 on: December 28, 2018, 07:51:20 PM »
The News-Weak Magazine, wanting to present 3 unique perspectives on the Ukrainian situation, enlists the aid of 3 different Atlantic Council Members.
Quite similar to asking 3 NASCAR employees their thoughts on pending legislation concerning noise pollution during sporting events.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447578-newsweek-atlantic-council-russia/

News-Weak continues it's tradition of weak journalism bolstered by strong propaganda.
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« Reply #209 on: January 02, 2019, 11:41:33 AM »
Finally, a clear and convincing — and unrefuted — case can now be presented to the public, as to precisely whom the guilty party was, that downed the MH17 Malaysian airliner over Ukraine on 17 July 2014, and why it was done. The complete case, which will be fully documented here, displays unequivocally who needed the MH17 murders (of 298 persons) to be perpetrated. This mass-murder was done for one leader’s very pressing obsession. For him, it simply had to be done, and done at that precise time.

The full MH17 case will be presented here, to be judged by the public, because no court of law which possesses the power to bring this (or even any) case on the MH17 murders, is willing to do so, and because the evidence in this 17 July 2014 case has become overwhelming, and is unrefuted. This evidence is accepted by both sides. But it still remains effectively hidden from the publics in the United States and its allied countries. (The present news-report, which is the first ever to present this entire case, is submitted to all news-media in English-speaking countries, so that any of them that wishes to provide its audience access to this uncontested and conclusive evidence in the MH17 case can do so, by publishing this article. Any of them that won’t, don’t want their audience to have access to the conclusive evidence in this case, because this article is being made available to all of them to publish, free of charge; so, there is no other reason not to publish it.)

The complete evidence will be described, and all of the conclusive evidence is linked-to, proving who perpetrated, and who demanded, the shoot-down on 17 July 2014 of the Malaysian airliner MH17.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/31/mh17-turnabout-ukraines-guilt-now-proven/

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« Reply #210 on: January 02, 2019, 04:11:41 PM »
Quite a sickening piece. I am dutch but missed most of this because there was other stuff on my mind. Too bad i can´t peek into Ruttes head. At some point it must have been clear who did this but then you have to hide it and shit on 196 of your citizens.

Also entirely ignored in the Ukrainain team’s ‘explanation’ of the event is why Ukraine’s air-traffic control had guided the MH17’s pilot to fly over the conflict-zone where Ukraine’s civil war was being waged and where Ukraine’s war-planes were bombing. The MH17’s pilot was instructed by Ukraine’s air-traffic control to take that path instead of the one that the airline had planned and that had become normal during the civil war. This was highly abnormal, and it doomed the MH17. Clearly, only Ukraine’s Government could, and did, do that — change the route, and for only that one plane.

I hope the relatives will pursue some further action in the civil court just to see if it would wake up anyone in this country.

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« Reply #211 on: January 02, 2019, 04:30:38 PM »
Harvard Library lists Greanville Post as a fake news site...just sayin'
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« Reply #212 on: January 02, 2019, 09:16:12 PM »
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/worst-examples-fake-news-media/
Take a look at the rundown below and note that these are just some of the worst — the mainstream media has spread quite a bit of fake news over the years. We’ve included an eighth example from Clinton’s campaign and cronies as a bonus.

So just to be sure I checked and the western journal isn't on the "list".
http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

and from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Western_Journal
Western Journalism features “conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters.”[7] and seeks to provide “God-honoring” content.

From wikipedia on wikipedia: Wikipedia has been criticized for exhibiting systemic bias, for presenting a mixture of "truths, half truths, and some falsehoods",[18] and for being subject to manipulation and spin in controversial topics

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« Reply #213 on: January 02, 2019, 09:54:42 PM »
Ah, whataboutism. How original!  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #214 on: January 02, 2019, 11:43:12 PM »

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/31/mh17-turnabout-ukraines-guilt-now-proven/

Hi Red,

I'm usually one who does not declare whole sites as "fake news/unreliable" portals and so I won't do it now now either. As Rumsfeld oft retorted: "All generalizations are False. Including this one." Naturally he 'plagiarised' that from other non-ref'd sources. So easy it is to generate some 'fake news' - people only need to open their mouths once, and voila! :)

My preference is to be more nuanced about individual authors, and especially individual articles/reports no matter on which website/portal they are hosted upon.

In this case I do not know the 'author' but I found reading that article so profoundly difficult I had to stop within the first 2 paragraphs so I only skimmed the rest. I am not questioning the existence of any particular facts he may have noted - but for what there are they are hidden underneath of ton of rhetorical slosh. (mind you I have taken such an approach in my days for various reasons ... but putting that aside)

imo there's something not quite right with an author/style when the focus in the first 13 paragraphs is hyperbolic shock therapy repeatedly overlaid with definitive assertions to facts, evidence, fraud and the 'truth' coming later below. It's too over-hyped for my tastes. Good authors present the material, provide context and historical perspectives, emphasize values & principles and then leave the reader to decide for themselves what meaning they might take away from the material - or how credible they may opine it is - I couldn't even be bothered to fact check this article.

Something tells me the GP is in need of more discerning Editor willing to reject poorly written screeds. It's not a blog site nor a forum. Then again, maybe that's all it is. ;)

Though I have found other articles there quite good and informative. cheers
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« Reply #215 on: January 03, 2019, 12:13:12 AM »
How can anyone be convinced by this article that reads like a pile of propaganda? I honestly tried and failed to read through the repetitive hammering of the main theme, with so little actual claims to back it up.