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Re: The Holocene Extinction
« Reply #1050 on: March 28, 2024, 06:03:19 PM »
@ gero   ......and not even any mention of pandemics

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« Reply #1051 on: March 29, 2024, 12:58:18 AM »
@ gero   ......and not even any mention of pandemics

There is a fairly reasonable chance that the next pandemic will do a massive job on our numbers globally... even so, that wont end our species.

It will be climate of environmental factors... or nuclear war.

And since most people have no idea how to survive outside the comforts of our civilization, that will finish off a lot people as well.

With luck, people who still live outside our global civilisation will survive IF their environment somehow isn't destroyed in the process.

It is possible, in regards to the when, that the last person to exist is alive today.

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« Reply #1052 on: March 29, 2024, 08:10:01 PM »
Quite unlikely. The extinction mainly involves plants and animals.
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« Reply #1053 on: March 30, 2024, 01:44:30 AM »
Quite unlikely. The extinction mainly involves plants and animals.

We are animals....

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« Reply #1054 on: March 30, 2024, 01:59:53 PM »
Exactly. I have told my kid and her friends that there should be a course in every high school globally called Human Extinction that talks about the different ways our species will eventually become extinct so that we don't live in this fantasy land where we believe our species will be around forever.

The nature of individual species in this place and all others, as far as we can see, is that they morph a lot and eventually go extinct. ALWAYS!

The one end game that the first-year Human Extinction course can cover is the eventual expansion and demise of the sun, which will gobble up the globe and make all life here seem like it never existed.

Folks have grown up fed on lies. Lies at the very heart of who and what we are. We need to get damned real, real fast because that chapter that has the events that will wipe us out this century is starting to look like the one we should have been paying attention to. Of course that is only if we can generate enough interest to try and stick around this place a little longer as a species. No law in the universe says our extinction can't be next year or the year after that. There is no such law at all.

Oh well. Singing to the choir again, aren't I  :-*
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« Reply #1055 on: March 30, 2024, 09:42:54 PM »
thinking twice about adding more human beings to the planet..............

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/climate-change-is-making-people-think-twice-about-having-children.html

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« Reply #1056 on: March 31, 2024, 12:41:49 AM »
Modern society does that too. But that leads to shrinking not extinction.

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Exactly. I have told my kid and her friends that there should be a course in every high school globally called Human Extinction that talks about the different ways our species will eventually become extinct so that we don't live in this fantasy land where we believe our species will be around forever.

Maybe we should teach sustainable living?

Anyway all of this is too much preoccupied with Homo Sapiens or the ape that should know better.
We will not go extinct. We will just see millions die at this rate.
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« Reply #1057 on: March 31, 2024, 03:10:06 AM »
Modern society does that too. But that leads to shrinking not extinction.

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Exactly. I have told my kid and her friends that there should be a course in every high school globally called Human Extinction that talks about the different ways our species will eventually become extinct so that we don't live in this fantasy land where we believe our species will be around forever.

Maybe we should teach sustainable living?

Anyway all of this is too much preoccupied with Homo Sapiens or the ape that should know better.
We will not go extinct. We will just see millions die at this rate.

More like billions.

I would put money on the global population not reaching 9 billion... I would be seriously tempted to say it wont even reach 8.5 billion.

And if I could be around on 2100, I would hazard to say the global population will be less than 3 billion.

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« Reply #1058 on: April 05, 2024, 01:44:44 AM »

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« Reply #1059 on: April 14, 2024, 08:07:46 PM »
Iconic savanna mammals face genetic problems due to fences and roads


Whether by way of Attenborough, Disney or National Geographic, the iconic scene is familiar to many. The ground trembles and clouds of dust swirl as enormous hordes of large animals thunder across the African savanna, cross rivers en masse and are picked off by lions, hyena and crocodiles. The annual migration of 1.3 million wildebeest through Tanzania's Serengeti and Kenya's Masai Mara attracts hundreds of thousands of tourists, and the phenomenon has put the Serengeti on UNESCO's list of World Heritage sites. Besides its majestic sight, the migration of this emblematic species is important for the ecological functioning of ecosystems.

Unfortunately, epic annual migrations of this scale are only found in a few places on the African continent now. In some areas, roads, fences, farms and urban sprawl have fractured the historic migratory routes of wildebeest herds and prevented them from roaming far and wide in search of fresh grass and water. A new study led by researchers from the University of Copenhagen shows that the genetic health of wildebeest has suffered as a consequence.

"No one ever knew that this affected the genetics of wildebeest. But our results clearly show that wildebeest populations which no longer migrate, but have historically done so, are simply less genetically healthy than those that continue to migrate. And this weakens their chances of long-term survival," says Rasmus Heller, an associate professor at the Department of Biology and one of the new study's lead authors.

The results demonstrate that the genetic decline of non-migratory populations is reflected in several of the parameters by which genetic health is measured in nature conservation.

"Wildebeest that can no longer migrate have lower genetic diversity, are more genetically isolated and are more inbred. We expect this to lead to lower survival, reduced fertility and other negative effects on fitness," says Xiaodong Liu, one of the study's first authors and a postdoc at the Department of Biology.

Vulnerable to climate change

Overall, this iconic savanna grazer is not currently threatened. But in the long term, wildebeest herds that can no longer migrate will likely be worse off, for example, in the face of climate change.

"The long-term consequence is that populations with low genetic diversity are less equipped to cope with the effects of environmental changes. Their evolutionary potential is reduced. So, if climatic changes continue to occur, there isn't as much genetic variation for them to work with to adapt -- which could ultimately threaten their survival," says Rasmus Heller.

Researchers analyzed the whole genomes of 121 wildebeest from their entire range, which spans from South Africa to Kenya. This is the first time that scientific researchers have studied the genetic effect of migration in wildebeest.

"Because we studied the genomes of many wildebeest from virtually their entire range, we have been able to make a general genetic comparison of migratory versus non-migratory populations. And because we witness a consistent difference across multiple locations, the conclusion is clear. Indeed, we can say that the overall negative effect is evident in those wildebeest that have been prevented from migrating -- regardless of where they live on the continent," says Xiaodong Liu.

Planned road and rail corridors threaten the last great migration

While the total number of wildebeest remains fairly stable, many local populations have experienced steep declines and several have even collapsed in recent decades.

One hundred and fifty years ago, many wildebeest populations made great migrations. However, forty years ago, only two large intact wildebeest migrations remained in Africa: the famed Great Migration of the Serengeti-Mara and one in the Kalahari Desert of southern Africa.

"However, in Botswana in particular, fencing to protect cattle from coming into contact with migratory wild animals was put up in recent times. Botswana's Kalahari population declined from roughly 260,000 in the 1970's to fewer than 15,000 in the late 1980's. So today, the only remaining large population is that of the Serengeti-Mara. But the Serengeti-Mara migration is also threatened by plans for roads and rail corridors through the area, which worries many," says Mikkel Sinding from the Department of Biology, another of the study's first authors.

"As a species, wildebeest are dependent on migrations to support their large numbers. They can survive in resident, non-migratory populations, but their numbers simply shrink when they cannot migrate. For example, we see this in the populations in the other parts of Kenya and Tanzania that have been prevented from migrating and whose numbers have decreased as a result," says co-author Joseph O. Ogutu, a senior statistician in the Biostatistics Unit at the University of Hohenheim, who adds:

"The migrations of wildebeest make them a keystone species in ecosystems, as their grazing keeps vegetation healthy, transports and distributes nutrients, while they themselves serve as prey for predators and carrion for scavengers. Therefore, it isn't just the iconic animal that we threaten when we prevent them from migrating -- but many other species as well. And to that, we might add the enormous amount of tourism revenue that benefits governments and local communities."

Call to decision-makers

The researchers hope that the new results will inspire investigations into the genetic effects of reduced migration among other species. And they hope that decision-makers keep the consequences in mind:

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they don´t even read the summaries but nevermind...

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240412113404.htm
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