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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2016, 03:49:06 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/12/reindeer-shrink-as-climate-change-in-arctic-puts-their-food-on-ice

What is interesting about the article is it leads with a conclusion, then concludes with data that could lead to a different conclusion. The number of reindeer in Svalbard increased from 800 to 1400, which means population expanded. If food is constant, one might predict that more reindeer foraging for the same quantity of food would lead to less food per reindeer. So why not propose that as an alternative explanation? Seems more reasonable than the "early rain turns to ice, which blocks access to food" theory. Most of the time, rain soaks into the ground doesn't it? Or does tundra cause it to collect in deep puddles?
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« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2016, 04:40:50 AM »

What is interesting about the article is it leads with a conclusion, then concludes with data that could lead to a different conclusion. The number of reindeer in Svalbard increased from 800 to 1400, which means population expanded. If food is constant, one might predict that more reindeer foraging for the same quantity of food would lead to less food per reindeer. So why not propose that as an alternative explanation? Seems more reasonable than the "early rain turns to ice, which blocks access to food" theory. Most of the time, rain soaks into the ground doesn't it? Or does tundra cause it to collect in deep puddles?

FTB - Have you ever considered that you're just not smart enough?  You read a *newspaper* article - not the actual scientific paper.  Jesus, man.  Are you simply that dull that you think the newspaper article is going to get into the nuts and bolts of the methodology?

Yeah, scientists are nitwits that never considered your points.  One really has to wonder what good a PhD is these days /sarc.

Go read the article and keep your no-nothingism to yourself for awhile. Took me 45 seconds to find a non-paywalled copy.  <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecs2.1374/full">Behavioral buffering of extreme weather events in a high-Arctic herbivore</a>



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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2016, 11:14:37 AM »
The change to the weathers in the far north have been impacting the Sami (?) folk for over a decade. The Sami found that castrating the males allowed them to put on extra weight and this bulk helped them shatter the rhime over the lichen.

In the past Autumn brought cold and then powder snow. Increased temp and water vapour mean that you get early season 'freezing rain' instead of powder snow effectively sealing the lichen under a heavy coat of ice which they were not able to break off to get at the food encased by it?

Over in Canada the reduction in snow patches and increase in biting insects means the Elk /caribou are unable to feed up over summer due to the distraction of the midges ( and no snow patches to retreat onto to find respite from the blood suckers).
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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2017, 07:59:26 AM »
The webcams on Spitsbergen let us have a groundlevel look at the effects of weather in the area which we are missing elsewhere.
https://www.spitsbergen-svalbard.com/photos-panoramas-videos-and-webcams/spitsbergen-webcams.html
I  have captured this view at Isfjord radio to show the situation before the predicted inflow of warm air and rain from the south has its effect.
weather  observations here  https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Svalbard/Isfjord_Radio_observation_site/statistics.html#menu] [url]https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Svalbard/Isfjord_Radio_observation_site/statistics.html#menu[/url]

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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2017, 03:35:27 PM »
Thank you Andreas. I place the link again, was not working
https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Svalbard/Isfjord_Radio_observation_site/statistics.html
It says already +3C, rainy, I guess it starts to show in the cam image

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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2017, 05:37:26 PM »
Port at Spitsbergen. Puddles are showing

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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2017, 10:12:41 PM »
ENSB 052050Z 23015KT 9999 FEW020 BKN037 05/M00 Q1008 RMK WIND 1400FT 23022KT

+5C at Longyearbyen (41F).

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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2017, 11:37:29 PM »
According to Wikipedia ("Climate of Svalbard" entry) the record max in February at Longyearbyen is 6°C

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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2017, 11:55:29 PM »
According to Wikipedia ("Climate of Svalbard" entry) the record max in February at Longyearbyen is 6°C

With an average high of -13C
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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2017, 11:57:33 PM »
Pushing that right now. 850mb temps come down very slightly over the next 6-12 hours, so that might prevent a record. However, they spike again in a few days ahead of another cyclone and it looks like there's another chance for an all-time record then (when the warm conveyor belt of the cyclone pushes overhead). In the meantime, except for short periods, they should stay comfortably above freezing for a majority of the next week. Dewpoints are above freezing now too (+1C), which combined with 40F temps, should cause fairly rapid melting (through latent heat release of condensation directly onto the snowpack).

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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2017, 02:06:01 PM »
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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2017, 11:51:03 PM »
Meltdown has commenced:


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« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2017, 09:35:08 PM »
Still a few days of warm weather ahead

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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2017, 11:36:49 PM »
Melting through the night,
I see no passing of the light.
The Icefjord used to freeze up tight,
and now we’re melting through the night


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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2017, 06:48:03 AM »
The last 30 days of images from the Isfjord Radio webcam reveal the transition from good snow pack to melted mess.

See https://www.lookr.com/lookout/1391976707-Kapp-Linn%C3%A9#action-play-month

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« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2017, 06:52:52 PM »
Data from the aws thereabouts currently show above freezing temperatures.

http://www.projects.science.uu.nl/iceclim/aws/files_oper/oper_29102

It'll be warmer there than the Midlands tonight which is a bit unsporting.

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« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2017, 12:12:02 PM »
The last 30 days of images from the Isfjord Radio webcam reveal the transition from good snow pack to melted mess.

See https://www.lookr.com/lookout/1391976707-Kapp-Linn%C3%A9#action-play-month
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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2017, 12:36:46 PM »
Worth posting the current image here to compare with images above.


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« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2017, 01:02:13 PM »
Worth posting the current image here to compare with images above.
hehe off topic. This was news a couple of weeks ago
http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/21/snow-falls-in-parts-of-spain-for-the-first-time-in-over-a-century-6396017/

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« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2017, 03:11:50 PM »
So Svalbard has had and has record warmth while in Southern Spain they were building igloos. Is this not why climate scientists now say "Climate Change" instead of global warming ?
Indeed, do not these events add to the accumulation of data that supports the hypothesis of a significant structural change in the climate of much of the Northern hemisphere ?
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« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2017, 03:24:00 PM »
So Svalbard has had and has record warmth while in Southern Spain they were building igloos. Is this not why climate scientists now say "Climate Change" instead of global warming ?
Indeed, do not these events add to the accumulation of data that supports the hypothesis of a significant structural change in the climate of much of the Northern hemisphere ?

I believe the answer has to be yes and this structural change has been developing and accelerating for the past 20 years.

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« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2017, 04:24:44 PM »
Is this not why climate scientists now say "Climate Change" instead of global warming ?

No, scientists have always been and will always be using both terms. There's a denier meme that there was a change at some point to make people scared. But it's quite simple: greenhouse gases cause global warming causes climate change causes costs for society and future generations.
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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2017, 04:28:37 PM »
So Svalbard has had and has record warmth while in Southern Spain they were building igloos. Is this not why climate scientists now say "Climate Change" instead of global warming ?
Indeed, do not these events add to the accumulation of data that supports the hypothesis of a significant structural change in the climate of much of the Northern hemisphere ?
The "CC" in IPCC stands for...you guessed it!

The snow in Spain will be short-lived. The warmth in the Arctic will continue.

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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2017, 05:03:06 PM »
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I believe the answer has to be yes and this structural change has been developing and accelerating for the past 20 years.
Yes, but "20 years" is understating things, I believe.  Anthropogenic induced Climate Change has been developing for 250 years or so (some say 10,000 years, with introduction of agriculture and extensive use of fire).  Explicit acceleration (e.g. Mauna Loa CO2 levels, sea level rise) has been/is being systematically documented in real-time for 50 years and more (and by proxy, much further back), and a solid majority of people in most countries (but not the USA) have been 'on board' for 20 or more years that this is happening (e.g., Kyoto Protocol ).
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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2017, 05:49:59 PM »
So Svalbard has had and has record warmth while in Southern Spain they were building igloos. Is this not why climate scientists now say "Climate Change" instead of global warming ?
Indeed, do not these events add to the accumulation of data that supports the hypothesis of a significant structural change in the climate of much of the Northern hemisphere ?

this is a good example, no offend meant, how one can take an information out of context and draw a picture that has little to do with the situation in general. why am i saying this:

a) temperatures in southern spain were quite average throughout the entire winter
b) i measure now 12.3C on my terrasse at 17:44 which is a bit far from "igloo" temps
c) the amount or of rain as well was quite average, at least no extremes
d) it was between 17 and 22C for the last 2 months and only for exactly 3-4 days temps will be between 14 and 16C that's by no means extraordinary and so short that one cannot provide the information in a way like this would be the new climate in southern spain.

if anyone who is a sceptic or even a denier will read this kind of comment he will feel confirmed in this opinion that climate change is made up by using events and information in a way that it's convenient for what someone wants to say.

while temps in the arctic are indeed way above average, southern spain is not a good mid latitude example for that because tempss were always slightly above, slightly below or spot on average like most of the time.
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« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2017, 02:44:47 PM »
And it's nice and white again (btw what a beautiful view).



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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2017, 03:17:04 PM »
Looks like they have gotten a dusting of snow on top of mostly frozen water from the previous melt and rains...well, except for that deeper water in the image which has melted the newly fallen snow.

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Re: Svalbard
« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2018, 10:28:20 AM »
https://twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1003652589370540033
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Animation of the rapid loss of sea ice around Svalbard since May. Its area is currently lower than the average annual minimum (in September).

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« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2018, 10:42:02 AM »
In the graph above, extremes are shown for the period from 1980 to 2000. So I looked at the maps of the Arctic ice near Svalbard after 2000 on the 3rd of June (the attached drawing).

It turns out that in fact in 2018 there is a record low ice area around Svalbard (as in the Bering Strait area). Only in 2016 there was a similar situation (although even then there was more ice around Svalbard).

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« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2018, 11:56:39 PM »
It is interesting that now the ice edge near Svalbard has already receded to the records in the pre-satellite records of August (since 1553!).

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00300-014-1482-1

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The position of the ice edge (the gray vertical bars) in August between Svalbard and Franz Josef Land for the period 1553–2012, given as the mean latitude within the sector 20–45°E (modified after Vinje 1999 and updated to summer 2012).

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« Reply #80 on: June 07, 2018, 03:47:57 PM »
Svalbard has now had 90 months in a row with above normal monthly temperatures.
All Norvegian Arctic island weather stations recorded May temperatures at least 5C above normal.

https://www.met.no/nyhetsarkiv/varmeste-mai-noensinne

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All the five Arctic long-distance stations, Bjørnøya, Hopen, Svalbard airport, Ny-Ålesund and Jan Mayen set record for the warmest May-month. Bjørnøya was the mildest station with a mean temperature of 3.7 ° C, which is 5.1 ° C above the normal. Svalbard airport had an average temperature of 1.8 ° C (6.0 ° C above normal). Svalbard airport has not had a single monthly temperature below the norm, as of December 2010, ie 90 months in a row. Kvitøya was coldest at -2.8 ° C on average (no normal yet). Ny-Ålesund had a mean temperature of 1.6 ° C (5.6 ° C above the normal). At Hopen, the monthly temperature was 0.3 ° C, which is 5.0 ° C above normal and the first time the station has an average temperature above 0 degrees in May. Jan Mayen had a mean temperature of 2.8 ° C, which is 5.1 ° C above the normal.

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« Reply #81 on: June 07, 2018, 05:46:50 PM »
They will need to move the vault to antarctica before long.
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« Reply #82 on: June 07, 2018, 08:25:12 PM »
Probably the record deficit of ice around Svalbard will get an unprecedented number of attacks of polar bears on people. Until the autumn minimum area of ice is still far away, and polar bears are already climbing into populated areas.

Fresh news:

https://www.thelocal.no/20180605/swede-discovers-polar-bear-stuck-in-hotel-garage

Swede discovers polar bear stuck in Svalbard hotel








It is believed that the number of polar bears in Svalbard exceeds the number of local population (4 to 3 thousand)
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« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2018, 08:26:42 PM »
It is interesting that the snow on the islands has not melted yet (there are almost half a meter).

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« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2018, 02:19:57 AM »
The polar bear made it out of that window?! No way!  ???

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« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2018, 03:14:24 AM »
The polar bear made it out of that window?! No way!  ???

Well, when you're trying to skip out on the hotel bill, motivation can work wonders.  I hear the charges were un-bearable.

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« Reply #86 on: June 08, 2018, 06:05:12 PM »
The polar bear made it out of that window?! No way!  ???

Well, when you're trying to skip out on the hotel bill, motivation can work wonders.  I hear the charges were un-bearable.

I heard he left because they didn't have the bear necessities.
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« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2018, 07:13:28 PM »
The polar bear made it out of that window?! No way!  ???

Well, when you're trying to skip out on the hotel bill, motivation can work wonders.  I hear the charges were un-bearable.

I heard he left because they didn't that the bear necessities.

I heard the bear ran out because they ran out of beer.

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« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2019, 07:38:50 PM »
Atlantification of the marine ecosystem in Kongsfjorden, Svalbard

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/node/5175

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Climate warming is rapidly altering the physical marine environment in fjords on the west coast of Svalbard towards a more temperate state. Reductions in sea ice cover and increased ocean temperatures are evident, resulting in changes of ice-associated and pelagic ecosystems.

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The changes we observe in Svalbard are happening fast: the fauna in the west coast fjords is now less characteristic of the High Arctic, but more and more resembles the ecosystems along the Norwegian coast, with food webs partly composed of Atlantic species.

An upcoming book will be out in April 2019, probably quite expensive.  132,23 EUR
“The Ecosystem of Kongsfjorden, Svalbard” (eds. Hop H, Wiencke C), Advances in Polar Ecology, Springer Verlag, publication date 27 April 2019.          "This book will form a baseline for future work. " 

While not coming to conclusions - a nice little article.  And a possible decent web site to visit now and then to see what is up around the Bering.  Appears to be good translations into several languages. 

I do not feel I am necroposting, Svalbard is not going to move.  I suppose I could have posted to "Effects of Climate Change on the biosphere".     

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« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2019, 09:25:50 PM »
Looks like the right place to me.
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