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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #100 on: February 23, 2019, 08:47:43 AM »
Well there ya go .... a nice find.

Thank you Lurk. Thought so too!

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2019, 12:50:43 PM »
Bernie Sanders(1988): "The real issue in this country...is Class. I think we could have a Black or Woman president, if they were on the side of corporations and money, rather than workers and the poor."

This is some consistency right there.




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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #102 on: February 25, 2019, 06:24:59 PM »
Well well well! :)


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #103 on: February 26, 2019, 02:44:03 AM »
Well well well! :)

If they love socialism so much they should emigrate to Venezuela!

America will never be a Socialist country! Over my dead body!

[ well maybe that could be arranged too - that might be where it ends up one day ]
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2019, 08:30:34 AM »
Yeah, that's right!

I love my US postal service and the highways and i totally think billionaires should pay more taxes. I just love to stay healthy from breathing good air. Of course, i think healthcare is a human right. I really want a better future for my kids, who wouldn't, right?

But I JUST HATE SOCIALISM! What's so hard to understand?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #105 on: February 27, 2019, 08:37:11 AM »
There have been some who have promoted Tulsi Gabbard for president, since she is supposedly progressive and anti-war.

Yet neither of that is true.

Before you vote Tulsi Gabbard for president, you want to read this article :

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

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Since she announced her candidacy, Gabbard has appeared regularly on television to cycle through her talking points, many of which sound strikingly familiar to those Trump offered up on the campaign trail in 2016.

She also has the vote of David Duke :
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/david-duke-tulsi-gabbard/

And if you are willing to spend some time, here is a very long thread on Tulsi Gabbard's "progressive" (in reality, far right) beliefs, voting record, advocacy, and actions. 
Worth your time to go through this. :

https://twitter.com/pplswar/status/830210812119744512
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2019, 11:11:54 AM »
Yeah, that's right!

I love my US postal service and the highways and i totally think billionaires should pay more taxes. I just love to stay healthy from breathing good air. Of course, i think healthcare is a human right. I really want a better future for my kids, who wouldn't, right?

But I JUST HATE SOCIALISM! What's so hard to understand?

School Buses twice a day for kiddies is Capitalism in Action ..... get with the program dude! :)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2019, 11:40:45 AM »
There have been some who have promoted Tulsi Gabbard for president, since she is supposedly progressive and anti-war.

Yet neither of that is true.

Before you vote Tulsi Gabbard for president, you want to read this article :

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

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Since she announced her candidacy, Gabbard has appeared regularly on television to cycle through her talking points, many of which sound strikingly familiar to those Trump offered up on the campaign trail in 2016.
OK, read it, now what? You're not aware of the TG history of Akbar Shahid Ahmed? Caroline Orr won any awards lately for cutting edge journalism? Not only did she study disinformation, psychological warfare, & the extremes of human behavior ... she is trying to become an expert at it imho. Interesting "sources" and "refs" to "sources" and more "refs".

One article ref'ing to several other articles - pushing "a line" that's all part of the mix in a US presidential election. Par for the course. I get it - Orr doesn't think much of TG. OK, got it, now what?

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She also has the vote of David Duke :
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/david-duke-tulsi-gabbard/

Yep knew that already but so what? I should allow what David Duke does and says to influence me? Why is that? Why should anyone care less about DD? It has nothing to do with TG herself. Well except for the nice piece of gaslighting you're doing here and everyone else has done which seems to have made an impact on yourself. Me? I;m fine - I can think for myself - influenced by DD or not - as 99% of people who walking into a voting booth can also do. :)

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And if you are willing to spend some time, here is a very long thread on Tulsi Gabbard's "progressive" (in reality, far right) beliefs, voting record, advocacy, and actions. 
Worth your time to go through this. :
https://twitter.com/pplswar/status/830210812119744512

So you say. I'll pass thanks after a 30 second skim I think there's a pattern here of where you come across to me as being incredibly easily influenced Rob. Not sure why that is but sure does stand out. Have a good day USA.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2019, 03:50:34 PM »
There have been some who have promoted Tulsi Gabbard for president, since she is supposedly progressive and anti-war.

Yet neither of that is true.

Before you vote Tulsi Gabbard for president, you want to read this article :

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

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Since she announced her candidacy, Gabbard has appeared regularly on television to cycle through her talking points, many of which sound strikingly familiar to those Trump offered up on the campaign trail in 2016.

She also has the vote of David Duke :
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/david-duke-tulsi-gabbard/

And if you are willing to spend some time, here is a very long thread on Tulsi Gabbard's "progressive" (in reality, far right) beliefs, voting record, advocacy, and actions. 
Worth your time to go through this. :

https://twitter.com/pplswar/status/830210812119744512

That David Duke stuff is just a corporatist smear, the Twitter feed is somewhat more interesting,
though very slanted as well.

I've read the article, and although it contains lots of circular propaganda, I admit that I'm not entirely certain that Gabbard, like Trump and Obama, would follow through on her promises once elected. Especially when it comes to the war machine. It's not for nothing that the Democratic Party is heavily promoting the election of former military and intelligence personnel to Congress, and that was obviously Gabbard's way in.

Still, she has seen war up close, like few people here have, so who knows, maybe she's genuinely progressive. Her stances on health care, etc, definitely are. She also renounced her DNC position to support Sanders, instead of cheating him, like the rest did.

So, Gabbard is still number two for me if I could vote, after Sanders. She's better and more progressive than all the others on the list, with the exception perhaps of Warren (who toes the corrupt party line too much for my taste).
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #109 on: February 28, 2019, 09:52:11 AM »
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So, Gabbard is still number two for me if I could vote, after Sanders. She's better and more progressive than all the others on the list, with the exception perhaps of Warren (who toes the corrupt party line too much for my taste).

No, Neven. She really is NOT more progressive than all the others on the list.

She is at position 157 on the list right now and obtained a solid "F" :

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house

That's DOWN from position 133 last year :



She is NOT progressive. I don't understand why you keep on insisting she is, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #110 on: February 28, 2019, 10:56:26 AM »
AFAICT and IMO, she is more progressive than everyone else on the list of presidential candidates as per the poll, with the exception of Sanders and Warren. But again, I'm not sure she really means what she says and whether she'll be a fake liar, like Trump, Obama and the Clintons (whereas with Booker, Harris, Biden, Gillibrand, O#Rourke, etc I'm 100% sure, because they are all Corporate Democrats who hope to be rewarded with fame and fortune if they do the bidding of concentrated wealth).

BTW, if she is as non-progressive as you say she is, Rob, she sounds like the perfect candidate for those 'liberals' who think McCain is a hero and George Bush isn't a war criminal. But without a cue from mainstream establishment media they won't change their minds. If that happens and mainstream media starts praising her and heaping loads of free airtime on her, I'll be sure that she's also fake.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #111 on: February 28, 2019, 11:26:26 AM »


Why is that list important to you Rob to rely on?

eg in the Lifetime Overall scores @ 174th is Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria

She's behind Gabbard, Tulsi at 152nd , 151 Schiff, Adam, as well as Pelosi at 102nd.

I don't think people will use it before they are walking into the polling booth to vote - at least I hope not.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #112 on: February 28, 2019, 11:45:21 AM »
Why is that list important to you Rob to rely on?

Facts! Science!
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #113 on: March 01, 2019, 03:36:26 AM »


Why is that list important to you Rob to rely on?

eg in the Lifetime Overall scores @ 174th is Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria

She's behind Gabbard, Tulsi at 152nd , 151 Schiff, Adam, as well as Pelosi at 102nd.

I don't think people will use it before they are walking into the polling booth to vote - at least I hope not.

So you found a machine, you turn a few knobs, and then remark that the whole thing is out of balance, so nobody should use it.

I really hope you are not an engineer or a mechanic. ;)

Why not start with the weighted score that progressivepunch.org uses themselves :
 Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria 1st place
 Pelosi, Nancy 47th
 Schiff, Adam, 122nd
 Gabbard, Tulsi, 155th

Tulsi Gabbard dropped so low because she voted AGAINST progressive causes for bills that were clearly progressive. That's because she is NOT a progressive candidate.

Govtrack puts her in the middle of the pack. Almost Republican :

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #114 on: March 01, 2019, 06:30:12 AM »
Can Sanders Win Black and Trump Voters?
February 28, 2019   
Real News Network with Paul Jay and guests

I think this is a good discussion about Bernie Sanders at a recent CNN hosted Town Hall (in DC which is a contradiction in terms as shown by other refs provided about that Q&A)

I like it because there is some good historical references/contrasts and broader POVs than merely who wins the partisan Democratic Presidential nomination but the survival of the Democrat Party itself or it's grass roots reform from the bottom up. 

website transcript
https://therealnews.com/stories/can-sanders-win-black-and-trump-voters



Solving Climate Change means changing 'The System' because nothing changes when nothing changes.

Step #1 is changing the System globally - Step #1A of that is continually challenging the System in the USA - Bernie is a part of that movement for change, whether he wins the Nomination or not is immaterial to the bigger long term issues to be fixed. imo.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #115 on: March 01, 2019, 11:01:43 AM »
TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT FOX NEWS 2/28/19 with Presidential hopeful Tulsi Gabbard

    Kim Jong-un has clearly stated that he has been holding on to nuclear weapons as his only deterrent against the United States coming in and waging a regime change war in North Korea

The congresswoman noted that the US playing global gendarme by "overthrowing and toppling dictators or countries who we don't like" comes with a heavy price to both the American people, who pay "trillions of dollars" to fund these military adventures, and to the people in the countries that suffer as a result of the interventions.

It is the military-industrial complex and the top guns in Washington that "invested their entire careers" in drumming up support for regime change who profit from constant wars, not the American people, Gabbard said.

33:47 Tucker says:
"Democrats running for their party's
presidential nomination there's some
disagreements between them but one thing
many of them appear to agree on is
wholeheartedly embracing the foreign
policy agenda of Bill Kristol whether
it's Syria or Venezuela or Russia
there's an opportunity for the United
States to sponsor violent conflict
somewhere in the world they support it
the only exception to this is
congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
she's a sincere progressive she's a
veteran and she says she wants to keep
America out of pointless foreign wars
and for that she has been repeatedly
attacked in Washington congressman
Gabbard joins us tonight."


Ref: https://youtu.be/-B43NqNZIJA?t=2025
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #118 on: March 05, 2019, 09:43:10 AM »
HRC a definite OUT

“I’m not running, but I’m going to keep on working and speaking and standing up for what I believe,” she said. “I want to be sure that people understand I’m going to keep speaking out. I’m not going anywhere.”

According to the interview, Clinton is not seeking any elected office at the moment. But she said she will take an active part in the 2020 campaign as a non-candidate, and has already held private meetings with several Democrats seeking the nomination.

“I’ve told every one of them, don’t take anything for granted, even though we have a long list of real problems and broken promises from this administration that need to be highlighted,” she said.


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #119 on: March 05, 2019, 01:44:23 PM »
I was suitably impressed by Washington (state) Governor Jay Inslee in his interview (and Rachel Maddow's background talk beforehand).  My co-worker this morning said to me, "I know who your candidate it for President … a one-issue guy … and it's your issue." 
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #120 on: March 09, 2019, 05:37:40 AM »
(Anecdotal) CNN Host Shocked When Dem Voter Panel Unanimously Rejects Joe Biden

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #121 on: March 09, 2019, 05:43:34 AM »
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I suspect there is  majority of people globally and inside the USA who do not yet realise how big an issue Criminal Justice is for the everyday person living in America. It's the #1 Unspoken and Denied Issue across the land bar none. 

Maybe I can explain it this way. Compared to the US, the Justice system in Suddam's Iraq makes him look more like Ghandi than the leading Politicians in Federal and State and City Politics in the USA. No, I am not exaggerating.

It's a disgrace. And if the world knew the truth of it they would be appalled by what has been happening there for decades and still going on. There is no Justice in the US Justice System - from the SCOTUS all the way down to the County Courts.  It's a Corrupt Boondoggle.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #122 on: March 09, 2019, 07:57:43 AM »
Will he, won't he?

March 7, 2019

WASHINGTON — The pieces for a Joseph R. Biden Jr. presidential campaign are falling into place: His nucleus of advisers has begun offering campaign positions to seasoned Democratic strategists. They are eyeing a headquarters in Delaware or nearby Philadelphia and a launch date in the beginning of April. Mr. Biden’s family is on board — his wife, Jill, enthusiastically so.

Mr. Biden has also been privately reaching out to a range of influential Democrats, including party donors, members of Congress and allies in the early primary states, to gauge their support. A pillar of organized labor, the International Association of Fire Fighters, is prepared to support him in the Democratic primary.

And in recent weeks, Mr. Biden’s strategist, Steve Ricchetti, has called a handful of would-be candidates and their aides to signal that the former vice president is likely to enter the race and of late has been telling Democrats that he is 95 percent committed to running, according to officials directly familiar with the discussions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/us/politics/biden-2020.html

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