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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1450 on: March 27, 2020, 08:10:03 AM »
Joe Biden Accused of Sexual Assault – and the Media Refuses to Cover It

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1452 on: March 27, 2020, 04:40:12 PM »
Didn't Clinton get reelected with such an accusation?
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1453 on: March 27, 2020, 04:44:08 PM »
Well, with Clinton, it was not sexual assault, but consensual sex.

Trump got elected despite being a self-proclaimed sexual predator.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1454 on: March 27, 2020, 04:48:01 PM »
First thing i wondered was if he was going to tweet about it...
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1455 on: March 29, 2020, 01:03:28 PM »
Given the corrupt and demented Democratic candidate, we are obviously living in bizarro world!

Perhaps a nice bizarro video can help making things even?

Bernie Sanders corruption revealed in newly released video!


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1456 on: March 29, 2020, 10:50:46 PM »
Well, with Clinton, it was not sexual assault, but consensual sex.

Trump got elected despite being a self-proclaimed sexual predator.

True, it was consensual.  But many would call it an abuse of power.  A 49-year old president preying upon a 22-year old intern.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1457 on: March 29, 2020, 10:58:41 PM »
Yes, agreed!

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1458 on: March 30, 2020, 12:51:48 PM »
What we are left with...


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1459 on: April 06, 2020, 05:43:35 PM »
Hey Neven, as it's already decided that Drumpf gets a second term, could you consider again the closing of all political threads. There's only one truth and the sooner we Europeans see it the better for us. Them US people have voted to limit their rights so time to do it here too?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1460 on: April 08, 2020, 05:42:38 PM »
It's officially over!

Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic race.


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1461 on: April 08, 2020, 05:49:31 PM »
It was highly unlikely to matter anyway.

Kudos for the song though.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1462 on: April 08, 2020, 06:52:54 PM »
If you close all the political threads all that discussion just spills into other threads.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1463 on: April 08, 2020, 07:29:10 PM »
That is probably why they are there.

I hung out at US based message boards for ages and i always watched their political threads with anthropological interest. What you think as a European does not really matter since you do not get to vote.

It was more a comment about Europeans with strong feelings about US elections.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1464 on: April 09, 2020, 12:25:56 AM »
Too bad they chose poorly, of course Sanders should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020. Biden is a bit better than Pence, but he's older and thus about as ineligible. Now the USAns who are sub-50 are going to have to choose between Alzheimer and Dementia. Good luck, if you still remember your launch codes for nukes, do you remember where they're pointed at? Nice to see US isolation will continue.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1465 on: April 09, 2020, 12:36:02 AM »
Do presidents even matter?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1466 on: April 09, 2020, 01:26:56 AM »
Do presidents even matter?
YES
Unfortunately, and not only within America's borders.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1467 on: April 09, 2020, 01:35:38 AM »
So how much did Kennedy matter?
(Picking one from your youth for fun).
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1468 on: April 09, 2020, 02:23:38 AM »
So how much did Kennedy matter?
(Picking one from your youth for fun).


The Kennedy myth was and is wonderful. ::)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1469 on: April 09, 2020, 02:35:57 AM »
Do presidents even matter?
YES
Unfortunately, and not only within America's borders.
Terry
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You'd think presidents don't matter much - until one is elected that matters a lot, in a bad way, amid the worst pandemic in a century.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1470 on: April 09, 2020, 02:43:19 AM »
A POTUS has a little bit of power to make things a little better and a lot of power to make things a lot worse.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1471 on: April 09, 2020, 04:08:23 AM »
Nicely put
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1472 on: April 09, 2020, 03:21:20 PM »
Too bad they chose poorly, of course Sanders should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020. Biden is a bit better than Pence, but he's older and thus about as ineligible. Now the USAns who are sub-50 are going to have to choose between Alzheimer and Dementia. Good luck, if you still remember your launch codes for nukes, do you remember where they're pointed at? Nice to see US isolation will continue.

You do realize that Sanders is older than both of them.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1473 on: April 09, 2020, 05:03:42 PM »
It seems clear the Democrats prefer Trump before Sanders, that's the only lesson from the primaries.
Trump is gonna eat Biden.
The media obsession with Trump is pathetic.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1474 on: April 09, 2020, 09:37:25 PM »
Too bad they chose poorly, of course Sanders should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020. Biden is a bit better than Pence, but he's older and thus about as ineligible. Now the USAns who are sub-50 are going to have to choose between Alzheimer and Dementia. Good luck, if you still remember your launch codes for nukes, do you remember where they're pointed at? Nice to see US isolation will continue.

You do realize that Sanders is older than both of them.

Let's hope the contenders elect younger viceroyals, sorry, vice-presidents. Sanders could have elected a winning Vice-prez. This has indeed reminded me of the end times of Soviet Union when the 'young Gorbachev' was ousted by people of the same age as these three.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1475 on: April 10, 2020, 07:48:04 PM »


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Bernie dropped out of the race.

I feel sick.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1476 on: April 11, 2020, 03:33:31 PM »
Are you surprised?  That would happen to any sector, once the candidate that wanted to eliminate their business was in turn eliminated from contention.

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« Reply #1477 on: April 11, 2020, 03:42:30 PM »
No, not surprised.

What it tells us, nonetheless, is that in the future, less money will go into health care, more money to the stakeholders. Exactly the opposite of what's actually needed - not only during an ongoing pandemic.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1478 on: April 11, 2020, 05:52:46 PM »
With the possibility of CV-19 decimating the senior ranks of both parties & The Supreme Court this is liable to be the most important election since the Civil War.


It's a Damn Shame that no one of substance will be on the federal ballot in such an important race. :-\
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1479 on: April 12, 2020, 03:44:44 PM »
The entire election has taken a significant turn.  The top issue, by far, will be COVID-19.  This includes the current healthcare system, overall economy, and the president's response.  Biden (and the same would be true if it were Sanders) has become a non-issue.  This election will be a referendum on Trump, and how well he has handled this crisis.  The jury is still out.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1480 on: April 12, 2020, 04:03:50 PM »
I don't agree. This crisis would be perfect for Sanders to show how good his ideas are for the American people. So much of this is to his advantage, that it almost seems tailor-made.

But, for some reason or other, Sanders doesn't want to exploit this. Even if he was cheated out of the nomination (due to voting machines and the corrupt pre-Super Tuesday orders from the DNC), he basically gave it away by refusing to speak about Biden's corruption and ineligibility. He simply refuses to fight for it, as if he doesn't really want to become president.

So, while Sanders drops out and then goes on to vote for the biggest swindle in American history, Trump outflanks the Democrats on the left by providing Med4All for Corona and extending student debt.

What a mess, and what a disappointment.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1481 on: April 12, 2020, 04:32:05 PM »
Shocking Report Reveals Bernie Sanders Campaign's Regrets Over Not Going Harder On Joe Biden!


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1482 on: April 12, 2020, 07:14:08 PM »
Random thoughts:

1) Technically, it's not over yet. The Dem convention isn't until August. Biden has to survive until at least then. Bernie is still on the ballot and Biden has some major flaws in the form of declining mental health and a very credible sexual assault charge. Bernie's remaining on the ballot makes it a little harder to justify picking a non-Bernie replacement for Biden in the unlikely event that becomes  necessary.

2) I was a Bernie guy 110%, but will acknowledge that he had some flaws as a candidate. Give him credit for moving the Overton Window left, but his policies are still a wish list and we need to address the climate crisis, not just build consensus that it's a problem.

3) The left needs to find a new leader who is more willing to take risk than Bernie. Nature abhors a vacuum and there is a huge market. Someone will fill it, but no one comes to mind right now. I'm thinking a more Gandhi / MLK like figure who has the conviction and willingness to die for the cause. Bernie's supporters make up a lot of the working class jobs and they need to organize general strikes to achieve their goals.






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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1483 on: April 12, 2020, 07:19:19 PM »
I agree, Phoenix!

Someone will fill it, but no one comes to mind right now.

Ro Khanna?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1484 on: April 12, 2020, 08:07:38 PM »
Ro Khanna is someone I could see running for POTUS in 2024 and someone I could easily vote for. That said, he would need to demonstrate more alpha characteristics than he has thus far in order to be the MLK / Gandhi type that I'm envisioning to encourage the working class toward a general strike mentality.

AOC and her squad buddies have shown more alpha characteristic in their willingness to push back on Pelosi and the establishment and AOC is seen as a leader on an issue (Climate) which is a natural galvanizing point for the left.

I'm not necessarily predicting the movement leader will be a politician. MLK and Gandhi were not politicians. Someone like Cornel West has the requisite fire in the belly. It will be an interesting transition to post-Bernie, but there is an appetite and a growing acknowledgment among left media that they need someone who doesn't play as nice with the establishment. For all of his campaign rhetoric, Bernie has lost some credibility by saying "Joe Biden is my friend" too many times. Bernie's supporters don't feel Joe Biden is THEIR friend. Someone who can be tougher on corporate media (as Trump is) would be an asset.




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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1485 on: April 12, 2020, 08:16:27 PM »
I take a little issue with the term 'alpha characteristic'. Sounds too masculine for me.

But i think i know what you mean, Phoenix. The willingness/ableness to push back and stand up is indeed needed.

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« Reply #1486 on: April 12, 2020, 09:14:18 PM »
Given that the characteristic was specifically associated with AOC, the squad and Gandhi, there is little reason to interpret it as a masculine characteristic.

It has to do with asserting a non-negotiable moral standard that is not subordinate to the ruling paradigm.

Gandhi was the best example IMO. His ability to get followers to join him in putting their lives on the line while practicing non-violent civil disobedience is the model the left would do well to emulate in addressing the climate crisis. Extinction Rebellion and Greta Thunberg do this on a small/medium scale.

Now that I mention her, Greta has the characteristics of an alpha leader. She has the courage of her convictions, was willing to stand on her own, walks the talk and won't be talking about how much she respects Joe Biden. IMO, she has more alpha characteristic than Bernie. The right wingers in the US attack her because they fear her potential.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1487 on: April 13, 2020, 10:43:14 PM »
So, B.Sanders has endorsed J.Biden as the Democratic candidate. Too bad there should then not be any reductions in US medical bills, likely the payments and fees go up, when Republicans and Democrats try to profit from CoV2. Medical profession though is a funny business, the longer you have a customer the better, so Drumpf is actually giving United Statans an economical benefiti by letting them die to it.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1488 on: April 14, 2020, 04:49:15 PM »
New poll shows Trump beating Biden, losing to Sanders




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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1489 on: April 14, 2020, 06:03:11 PM »
And yet, the latest poll by Monomuth shows Biden ahead by 4, CNN by 5, the Economist/YouGov shows him ahead by 6, Quinnipiac by 8, CNN by 11.  Only Economict/YouGov has a recent Trump vs Sanders poll, and it shows the same results, Sanders +6.

Previously, the last major polls that show a comparison between the two Democratic candidates against Trump are IBD/TIPP with Biden +6 and Sanders +1, Grinnel/Selzer with Biden +4 and Sanders -1, Harvard-Harris with Biden +10 and Sanders +6, NBC News/WSJ with Biden +9 and Sanders +4. 

Summarizing these five polls shows Biden with an average lead over Trump of 7, and Sanders with a lead of 3.  I would believe these polls over a youtube video.


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1490 on: April 14, 2020, 07:26:18 PM »
I wonder if Biden's aware that Sanders has dropped out of the race. ::)


I once believed that the best feature of the Trump Presidency was that Trump was so incompetent that few of his mandates were successful.
With Biden now carrying the colors for the Democrats, I'm unsure how to play the "Trump isn't smart enough" card. :'(


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1491 on: April 14, 2020, 09:24:25 PM »
Obama endorses Biden - and has some good words on Bernie.

This is from Biden's quite active YouTube channel. The number of 26.7K subscribers has not significantly risen in the last weeks. That is, Biden is not "hiding" but folks are hiding from Biden.



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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1492 on: April 14, 2020, 11:00:50 PM »
What is the scope of this thread now that Biden is now the de facto nominee?

There are a lot of interesting issues to be discussed relative to the American political struggle and the tug of war between neoliberal and progressive Democrats and the potential for a third party movement. But at this point, they are no longer related to the race for 2020 nominee which is the title of the thread. Which is the appropriate thread to continue the discussion? Is a new thread appropriate for discussion of US politics ?


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1493 on: April 15, 2020, 07:06:24 AM »
Yep, there is no function for this thread anymore. Let's start the US third party conversation again. Main reason there is no real third party in the US is the election system. How to change that?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #1494 on: April 15, 2020, 07:25:44 AM »
There is the 'Elections 2020' thread. This should do!

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2441.msg259739.html#new