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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2018, 02:21:35 PM »
Biden leads in Iowa, 37% of respondents, N=500 likely caucus attendees.

"16 percent backed Sen. Elizabeth Warren, 12 percent supported Sen. Bernie Sanders, 10 percent picked Sen. Kamala Harris and Sen. Cory Booker received support from 8 percent."

Sherrod Brown not on the list.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/01/poll-biden-leads-iowa-democrats-854872

Full poll results:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000166-30b4-d5d9-ab67-fef45d120000

If Biden is the nominee, it would reveal that the Democratic party has learned nothing from 2016. And a recipe for low turnout.

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I wouldn't go that far.  After two tries, they will have learned that they cannot win with Clinton.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2018, 10:08:39 PM »
America's Finest News Source: A Hundred Million Or Me

"Hillary Clinton told reporters she is launching a campaign Tuesday that will raise $100 million by the end of the year or else she will run for president."

"At press time, sources confirmed Clinton had raised $17.6 billion in the first 45 seconds of the campaign."

https://politics.theonion.com/hillary-launches-campaign-to-raise-100-million-or-else-1830416470

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2018, 05:39:32 AM »
Ooo, another billionaire. Steyer looks like he'll jump in too.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-steyer-20181120-story.html

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2019, 06:59:05 AM »
Gabbard in:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-van-jones/index.html

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Can Tulsi, as a pacifist survive the DNC? If so she might be able to win a general election.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2019, 08:16:09 AM »
https://www.tulsi2020.com

A "no brainer" choice for U.S. President.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2019, 08:27:59 AM »
‘Putin puppet’ vs ‘Assad shill’: Dems & Reps unite in panic over Gabbard challenging Trump in 2020



RT copies and pastes a list of reasons from Social media whackos and bigotted big mouths why Tulsi is the perfect choice for President 2020

https://www.rt.com/usa/448632-tulsi-gabbard-negative-reactions/



"There is one main issue that is central to the rest, and that is the issue of war and peace."

https://www.rt.com/usa/448623-gabbard-tulsi-running-president/
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2019, 09:28:50 PM »



One commenter said:
"Here's a woman who is owned by nobody. She left a promising career in politics in Hawaii to go to Iraq twice to serve the other veterans as a Medic. She was given the position of Vice Chairwoman on the Democratic National Party but resigned to follow her principles and side with Bernie Sanders instead of staying safe and cosy in the System. She's tough ( martial arts instructor ) Kind Hearted ( always putting love first) and she has what is so sadly lacking in the White House lately.......Integrity. She is level headed, Modest yet Powerful . Good luck Tulsi."

and
"Smoking hot, tough, progressive, bernie supporter and voted against paygo!"
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2019, 01:51:48 AM »
Debunking the Smears of Tulsi Gabbard

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2019, 08:04:09 AM »
This is our planet. This is our time.
Let's not waste either.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2019, 10:49:29 AM »
Are you sure you don't want Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi or The Rock, or some other out-of-touch millionaire?

Or maybe just this guy:

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2019, 12:57:11 PM »
Some fellow who pays for a wall between Ireland and GB  ;D :D ;D
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2019, 02:09:27 AM »
Some fellow who pays for a wall between Ireland and GB  ;D :D ;D

living as I do less than a mile from the Irish border in what was known as the murder triangle .. I prefer no walls at all at all  ;)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2019, 05:58:04 AM »
Taibbi at rollingstone last month: Bernie should run

"What’s both maddening and endearing about him as a politician is that he never changes"

"reporters constantly make the mistake of thinking politicians are causes, not effects."

"he’s constitutionally incapable of deviating from his platform. I don’t even think Sanders would know how to betray his own ideas for political gain."

"Sanders is no Lenin or Trotsky. He doesn’t want to overthrow free enterprise or establish a national ice cream. But the movement he and his wife are leading has goals that are genuinely threatening to the traditional funders of presidential campaigns of both parties in America"

"IN THE mid-2000s, then-congressman Sanders invited me to tag along to work in the House ... I found him odd at first. Sanders almost never asked to go off the record, and he seemed so indifferent to how some of his more blunt observations about his workplace might play in print that I wondered at first if there might be something wrong with him."

"It took a while to realize that Sanders simply is who he appears to be. There’s no second-level calculation there, no chilled-out off-duty version who stops babbling about public heating oil programs or VA coverage once you turn off the recorder."

"he currently polls better with nonwhite voters than white ones"

"Someone has to take up those fights eventually. "

Read the whole thing:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/yes-bernie-should-run-771260/

Personally, i'm not so sure. Mebbe someone younger can step up to inherit the mantle. But i see Taibbi's point, Sanders is proven to be unswerving, and that's something we can say of very few others.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2019, 08:20:37 AM »
Jacob Wohl says that he and the rest of his colleagues within an Israeli Lobbying group are doing "everything in their power" to shut Tulsi Gabbard down before her campaign gets started. This raises serious foreign interference questions.

 

2020 gonna be fun, yeah? :)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2019, 03:04:26 PM »
Some fellow who pays for a wall between Ireland and GB  ;D :D ;D

living as I do less than a mile from the Irish border in what was known as the murder triangle .. I prefer no walls at all at all  ;)
Well GB might sell Northern Ireland to Ireland but I guess this is not on the conservative agenda.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2019, 06:24:35 AM »
Jimmy Dore fills in for Jesse Ventura on RT (which of course must make him a Putin Puppet right?)

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2019, 08:30:15 AM »
This info more or less fits here because it's about the 2020 elections and who might become president.

Recent Gallup research info is via this show @ 14 minutes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/programs/planet-america/

Howard Schultz is talking about running on the basis he is economically conservative and socially liberal. He claims that is where most Americans are but he is completely wrong. Therefore he will not get anywhere.

Abortion changes are in the news again this time from Democrat bases. eg
 Dems Are Wildly Out of Step With Voters on Abortion
Ashley McGuire, USA Today
Reproductive Rights Under Siege Across the U.S.
Jennie Wetter, The Hill

Fact is the extreme radicals on abortion in Democrat circles are wildly out of step with Voters. A distinct majority of Americans are socially conservative. Abortion is a red rag to a bull. If the Dems don't tone that done it might do them in in 2020. Yes, just that alone could do it. People's beliefs run deep. Trump really isn't an ideological "right to lifer" but he does know what side his bread is buttered. So he says what needs to be said. He is certainly no emotionally charged 'born again' christian type either but he's happy to act as if he is and pretend he believes what they believe if it gets him elected. He's a pragmatist through and through.

Those registered as Independents are not really "Independent" at all. They are primarily either strong Republicans or strong Democrats. They Vote the same way each and every election. Only about 10% of all voters are truly flexible and independent individualist  "Independents."

So targeting one's speeches and advertising to the "independent voter" is pretty much a waste of time and resources.

A MiSU political scientist puts it this way: "Pure Independents were more stable in their Party support across 2000-2004 than strong Partisans were 1972-1976" Things have changed iow.

Also see the Ideology grid below for 2016.

Top half are socially conservative voters. Bottom half socially liberal.

Left half are economically Liberal / Progressive and
the right half are economically Conservative RWingish.

The red and blue predominately sit where you'd expect them to be - top right and bottom left.
Howard Schultz sits in the bottom right - it's almost empty.

The Top Left is where the real action is to be found. That is likely where many "independent voters" may reside too.

That is a highly populated quartile. Socially Conservative but Economically Liberal and progressive.

It is also from where Trump derived a core part of his support which continues to this day. Predominant strong Social Conservatives segment especially.

Social Liberalism, endlessly discussing minorities like gays trans mexicans immigrants and bathrooms, and always making Abortion the issues really pisses these people off ... to a point where they will stop listening to ALL your messages no matter how much they would agree - even to addressing climate change economic issues with a Liberal/Progressive mindset. They might easily agree to a New Green Deal but not if it comes with being forced to also accept promoting gay marriage, trans, going soft on drugs, stopping the death penalty, or barring Muslims, Mexicans border invasions and promoting the Pill and Abortion as well.

But with democrats talkingbaout Medicare for all and how to pay for it, so the socially conservative poor can have health care too, then they'll listen up. Might even Vote for you.



Social Conservatives may well support a strong US Military and always leans to defending the Military no matter what they do badly, they are also smart enough and Liberal enough leaning to realize that keeping on spending $700 plus Billions every year is not rational and helps no one at home to live better or to pay less taxes.

But the more the Democrats choose a leadership that pushes Conservative "middle of the road" Economics then they are TOAST across the whole electorate that might Vote for them.

Which is pretty much what happened in 2016. If they do not take the hint from all the Economic Progressive Liberal Democrats who won Primaries and Elections in 2018 then the Democrats are toast again.
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« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2019, 09:02:04 AM »
You should notice in the panel above that at +90% of all Democrat Voters are economically Liberal Progressive leaning.

But look at the spread in the red Republicans. Only 55-60% are in the right hand column of Economically Conservative. At least 40% are in fact Economic Liberal/Progressives but who still Vote Republican. The Democrats are not particularly attractive enough to them, but I wonder why?

What does the Corporate Democrats keep on doing? since the mid-90s? They keep pushing Policies that are Economically Conservative!!! They Vote out Laws like Glass Steagal with help of Bill Clinton and then Vote in bailouts for the Banks and Corporations that screwed the economy totally from 1998 through to 2008. No wonder so few trust them. Because they have been voting in the repeal of many of the Laws passed post the GFC to rein in Corporate & Banking and Stock Market excesses in the last Congress post Obama and even before he left office they did that too - many Voted WITH the Republicans - few complained loudly - and the new Pelosi in the House has zero plans to try to overturn those Laws that have repealed protections and safety checks.

If they instead developed policies to really help the Trump Rust Belt regions, to do something about unemployment and low wages in regions only barely surviving because of fossil fuel extraction or cheap coal fired power stations down the road, iow got serious about a Green New Deal and show how Medicare for All actually would save money long term including those with private health insurance who wanted to keep it and have lower premiums as a result then they might actually get somewhere.

Doing something about affordable housing for the poor, getting a masive rise in the basic wage,  and getting non-violent offenders and wrongly convicted prisoners as well as those with extremely long unwarranted prison terms out of jail would not hurt either.

But instead they will likely do none of that and keep on about Trump being the Son of a She-Devil and that Russia stole the election from Ms Conservative Queen of Wall Street Clinton all the way to Nov 2020.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2019, 02:05:12 AM »
By the time you get to read this it'll all be over.

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TULSI 2020: Tulsi Gabbard Presidential Campaign, The ALOHA Launch - Live from Hawaii, USA

Join me in building a movement for peace at home and abroad that will fulfill the promise of America for freedom, justice, equality, and opportunity for all. Today we kick off our campaign. Tune in here at 3 PM HST/ 8 PM EST. #Tulsi2020 https://tulsi2020.com

Live feed https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vOGwZNdqpvKB
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2019, 01:05:39 AM »
some info commentary on Gabbard and the negative press she's getting already by RT

As she enters White House race, demonization of ‘Kremlin’s crush’ Tulsi Gabbard goes full tilt

Even supposing that all that is correct, does RT have to cover Joe Biden every time it mentions Tulsi Gabbard? Elizabeth Warren? Julian Castro? Should CNN stop putting Kamala Harris in almost every piece about the race? As a non-US news outlet is RT allowed to find her non-interventionist views more interesting for its international audience than those of a status quo Democratic runner? What about as an alternative media outlet? Should covering a candidate who “lacks voter recognition” be considered suspicious? How much of this is sufficient to justify accusations of meddling and being branded a “Russian troll” and presumably sanctioned? Does all of this apply when the US media writes about Juan Guaido in Venezuela?

But wait, there are also “experts who track inauthentic social media accounts” who back this up.

“A few of our analysts saw some chatter on 8chan saying she was a good 'divider' candidate to amplify,” New Knowledge's director of research Renee DiResta told NBC. 8chan? Chatter? Also New Knowledge? The establishment Democrat tech outfit that has just been caught planting and creating fake Russian bots in the Alabama election as part of a false flag operation. They are your experts, NBC?

Even much of Dem-voting Twitter was appalled at such a ham-fisted smear job.

    What you think of Tulsi Gabbard isn’t the point. What matters is we’re witnessing influential media outlet equating dissenting foreign policy thinking with the Kremlin, essentially stigmatizing anyone who thinks differently-/ https://t.co/1STvBFVpd9 via @nbcnews
    — Katrina vandenHeuvel (@KatrinaNation) February 2, 2019

    Also, the pitiful claim from NBC reporter @bpopken - "the Kremlin already has a crush on Tulsi Gabbard" - would be denounced as not just adolescent but sexist if used against a female Presidential candidate who the Democratic establishment likes. Bottom of the barrel trash: https://t.co/6uuRq6Ge0c
    — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 3, 2019

https://www.rt.com/news/450513-tulsi-gabbard-nbc-media-demonization/
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« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2019, 05:34:07 AM »
The next 22 months to the election is going to be fun fun fun off the scale fun!

It has since been revealed by The Intercept that the NBC report relied on the claims of a discredited cybersecurity firm exposed in December as making up fake Russian bot accounts to create misleading stories about Russian influence.

Gabbard shared the Intercept’s article Sunday, saying NBC “used journalistic fraud” to discredit her campaign in order to “to smear any adversary of the establishment wing of the Democratic Party – whether on the left or the right – as a stooge or asset of the Kremlin.”


    As commander-in-chief, I will work to end the new cold war, nuclear arms race and slide into nuclear war. That is why the neocon/neolib warmongers will do anything to stop me. https://t.co/MPybv8AZ5p
    — Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) February 4, 2019


    Except they're not "experts" NBC--they're admitted forgers. You're a rabble NBC. A complete rabble. Go back to school: https://t.co/e9KJU2oisv … pic.twitter.com/1XnfMmjqgh
    — WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) February 3, 2019

New Knowledge CEO Jonathon Morgan created the false accounts and then used them to mislead both the public and the US national media.

from https://www.rt.com/usa/450613-nbc-gabbard-new-knowledge-smear/

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #79 on: February 06, 2019, 01:44:28 AM »
It's very early days and this is only an anecdotal observation of some twitter commentary on Tulsi Gabbard's account.

People who voted for Trump in 2016, and maybe they are former Democrat Voters some of them, are already talking about registering as Democrats so they can Vote for Gabbard in the Primaries or Caucuses because they wholeheartedly agree with her anti-war, anti-interventionists, anti-cold war, anti-arms race anti-Media smearing BS, and her anti-establishment anti-MIC mindset.

Gabbard is very low in the Polls of course ~1-5% and to be rational I can't see her winning first time round especially given the attacks by the MSMedia and on Social media (which is already virulent and nasty) will get much worse the higher her poll numbers go.

With NBC using "think tank/private" sources going full on with propaganda smears she's "dangerous" well it will be hard to break through absent major funding for her campaign (which is unlikely to come imo). I just hope she keeps stirring up a hornets nest all the way to the Convention.   

Biden is way ahead in the Polls and if he does run and wins the Nomination well that will not solve anything for America or the world whether he wins the election or not.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2019, 02:31:16 AM »
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #81 on: February 18, 2019, 08:31:48 PM »
This one is kind of remarkable!

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...[he] slammed his daughter for stereotyping her heritage for political gain!

Kamala's Father Slams Her - "I wish to separate us from this travesty"
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