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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2018, 02:21:35 PM »
Biden leads in Iowa, 37% of respondents, N=500 likely caucus attendees.

"16 percent backed Sen. Elizabeth Warren, 12 percent supported Sen. Bernie Sanders, 10 percent picked Sen. Kamala Harris and Sen. Cory Booker received support from 8 percent."

Sherrod Brown not on the list.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/01/poll-biden-leads-iowa-democrats-854872

Full poll results:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000166-30b4-d5d9-ab67-fef45d120000

If Biden is the nominee, it would reveal that the Democratic party has learned nothing from 2016. And a recipe for low turnout.

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I wouldn't go that far.  After two tries, they will have learned that they cannot win with Clinton.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2018, 10:08:39 PM »
America's Finest News Source: A Hundred Million Or Me

"Hillary Clinton told reporters she is launching a campaign Tuesday that will raise $100 million by the end of the year or else she will run for president."

"At press time, sources confirmed Clinton had raised $17.6 billion in the first 45 seconds of the campaign."

https://politics.theonion.com/hillary-launches-campaign-to-raise-100-million-or-else-1830416470

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2018, 05:39:32 AM »
Ooo, another billionaire. Steyer looks like he'll jump in too.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-steyer-20181120-story.html

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2019, 06:59:05 AM »
Gabbard in:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-van-jones/index.html

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Can Tulsi, as a pacifist survive the DNC? If so she might be able to win a general election.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2019, 08:04:09 AM »
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2019, 10:49:29 AM »
Are you sure you don't want Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi or The Rock, or some other out-of-touch millionaire?

Or maybe just this guy:

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2019, 12:57:11 PM »
Some fellow who pays for a wall between Ireland and GB  ;D :D ;D
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2019, 02:09:27 AM »
Some fellow who pays for a wall between Ireland and GB  ;D :D ;D

living as I do less than a mile from the Irish border in what was known as the murder triangle .. I prefer no walls at all at all  ;)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2019, 05:58:04 AM »
Taibbi at rollingstone last month: Bernie should run

"What’s both maddening and endearing about him as a politician is that he never changes"

"reporters constantly make the mistake of thinking politicians are causes, not effects."

"he’s constitutionally incapable of deviating from his platform. I don’t even think Sanders would know how to betray his own ideas for political gain."

"Sanders is no Lenin or Trotsky. He doesn’t want to overthrow free enterprise or establish a national ice cream. But the movement he and his wife are leading has goals that are genuinely threatening to the traditional funders of presidential campaigns of both parties in America"

"IN THE mid-2000s, then-congressman Sanders invited me to tag along to work in the House ... I found him odd at first. Sanders almost never asked to go off the record, and he seemed so indifferent to how some of his more blunt observations about his workplace might play in print that I wondered at first if there might be something wrong with him."

"It took a while to realize that Sanders simply is who he appears to be. There’s no second-level calculation there, no chilled-out off-duty version who stops babbling about public heating oil programs or VA coverage once you turn off the recorder."

"he currently polls better with nonwhite voters than white ones"

"Someone has to take up those fights eventually. "

Read the whole thing:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/yes-bernie-should-run-771260/

Personally, i'm not so sure. Mebbe someone younger can step up to inherit the mantle. But i see Taibbi's point, Sanders is proven to be unswerving, and that's something we can say of very few others.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2019, 03:04:26 PM »
Some fellow who pays for a wall between Ireland and GB  ;D :D ;D

living as I do less than a mile from the Irish border in what was known as the murder triangle .. I prefer no walls at all at all  ;)
Well GB might sell Northern Ireland to Ireland but I guess this is not on the conservative agenda.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2019, 08:31:48 PM »
This one is kind of remarkable!

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...[he] slammed his daughter for stereotyping her heritage for political gain!

Kamala's Father Slams Her - "I wish to separate us from this travesty"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMHQa8mL5x4&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2019, 07:26:22 AM »
Kamala Harris Packed California Prisons With Pot Peddlers
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At least 1,560 people were sent to state prisons for marijuana-related offenses between 2011 and 2016

Link >> https://freebeacon.com/politics/kamala-harris-packed-california-prisons-for-peddling-pot/


She is, through and through, a hypocrite and misanthrope. Just like corporate America likes it.

So i guess she will win the primaries via super-delegates and then she will lose against the hypocritic misanthrope in chief.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2019, 02:01:12 PM »
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2019, 04:48:43 PM »
Bernie Sanders’s 2020 policy agenda: Medicare for All; action on climate change; $15 an hour minimum wage

Link >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/19/bernie-sanderss-policy-agenda-medicare-all-action-climate-change-an-hour-minimum-wage/?utm_term=.cd0256c8c439

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2019, 08:26:15 AM »
Bernie Sanders' Campaign Says He Raised $4 Million in Half a Day

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(WASHINGTON) — Bernie Sanders’ campaign says he has raised more than $4 million in the 12 hours since announcing his 2020 presidential campaign.

The Vermont senator said Tuesday that nearly 150,000 individuals had contributed to his Democratic bid.

Previously, the biggest first-day fundraiser in the race had been California Sen. Kamala Harris, who raised $1.5 million in the first 24 hours of her campaign.

Link >> http://time.com/5533134/bernie-sanders-2020-4-million-raised/

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2019, 11:45:01 AM »
In his 2016 campaign, Sanders’s primary focus was on domestic economic issues, and many critics regarded him as a lightweight on foreign policy. This time around, Sanders has won over skeptics in the foreign-policy establishment with substantive speeches in 2017 and 2018, laying out a comprehensive vision for America’s role in the world. Beyond wanting to end or prevent wars in the Middle East, Sanders has also linked the global rise of authoritarian populism to wealth inequality, and has called for an international progressive movement to combat authoritarian leaders and kleptocrats from Russia to Brazil. And while Duss doesn’t want to take credit for what he says are his boss’s deeply held views, he has had a hand in all of this.

https://www.thenation.com/article/matt-duss-bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-blob/
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2019, 06:50:41 AM »
I just realized the best thing that joe biden could do for bernie would be to announce his candidacy. Expose the contradictions, so to speak.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2019, 03:20:36 PM »
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"Make America a Democracy Again!"

I wish the USA was a democracy again! Over one billions dollars spent for each presidential candidate. The system is broken any candidate who is able to raise that kind of money has been bought off by a corrupted system.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #76 on: February 21, 2019, 03:57:15 PM »
As long as there is both an obscenely enormous gap between the haves and the haven'ts, and as long as Citizens United stands, there is no chance we will have anything like a real democracy. Even then, there will be lots of class, race, gender, and other structural impediments to gaining democracy.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2019, 04:45:02 PM »
So we all agree to have a constitutional reform in Bernies 5th year of presidency?  8)


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2019, 06:16:18 PM »
Killer Mike: "In the last few years of his life, ... his [MLKs] stance ... was anti-war, focused on eradicating poverty, and uplifted workers' rights and the restoration of basic humanity. No other presidential candidate has ever had an agenda matching Dr King's agenda more than Bernie Sanders. ... So my support of Bernie isn't about personality or politics, but the agenda."

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2019, 08:47:43 AM »
Well there ya go .... a nice find.

Thank you Lurk. Thought so too!

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Can we find two?

On it! ;)

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2019, 12:50:43 PM »
Bernie Sanders(1988): "The real issue in this country...is Class. I think we could have a Black or Woman president, if they were on the side of corporations and money, rather than workers and the poor."

This is some consistency right there.




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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2019, 06:24:59 PM »
Well well well! :)


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2019, 08:30:34 AM »
Yeah, that's right!

I love my US postal service and the highways and i totally think billionaires should pay more taxes. I just love to stay healthy from breathing good air. Of course, i think healthcare is a human right. I really want a better future for my kids, who wouldn't, right?

But I JUST HATE SOCIALISM! What's so hard to understand?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2019, 08:37:11 AM »
There have been some who have promoted Tulsi Gabbard for president, since she is supposedly progressive and anti-war.

Yet neither of that is true.

Before you vote Tulsi Gabbard for president, you want to read this article :

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

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Since she announced her candidacy, Gabbard has appeared regularly on television to cycle through her talking points, many of which sound strikingly familiar to those Trump offered up on the campaign trail in 2016.

She also has the vote of David Duke :
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/david-duke-tulsi-gabbard/

And if you are willing to spend some time, here is a very long thread on Tulsi Gabbard's "progressive" (in reality, far right) beliefs, voting record, advocacy, and actions. 
Worth your time to go through this. :

https://twitter.com/pplswar/status/830210812119744512
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2019, 03:50:34 PM »
There have been some who have promoted Tulsi Gabbard for president, since she is supposedly progressive and anti-war.

Yet neither of that is true.

Before you vote Tulsi Gabbard for president, you want to read this article :

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

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Since she announced her candidacy, Gabbard has appeared regularly on television to cycle through her talking points, many of which sound strikingly familiar to those Trump offered up on the campaign trail in 2016.

She also has the vote of David Duke :
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/david-duke-tulsi-gabbard/

And if you are willing to spend some time, here is a very long thread on Tulsi Gabbard's "progressive" (in reality, far right) beliefs, voting record, advocacy, and actions. 
Worth your time to go through this. :

https://twitter.com/pplswar/status/830210812119744512

That David Duke stuff is just a corporatist smear, the Twitter feed is somewhat more interesting,
though very slanted as well.

I've read the article, and although it contains lots of circular propaganda, I admit that I'm not entirely certain that Gabbard, like Trump and Obama, would follow through on her promises once elected. Especially when it comes to the war machine. It's not for nothing that the Democratic Party is heavily promoting the election of former military and intelligence personnel to Congress, and that was obviously Gabbard's way in.

Still, she has seen war up close, like few people here have, so who knows, maybe she's genuinely progressive. Her stances on health care, etc, definitely are. She also renounced her DNC position to support Sanders, instead of cheating him, like the rest did.

So, Gabbard is still number two for me if I could vote, after Sanders. She's better and more progressive than all the others on the list, with the exception perhaps of Warren (who toes the corrupt party line too much for my taste).
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2019, 09:52:11 AM »
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So, Gabbard is still number two for me if I could vote, after Sanders. She's better and more progressive than all the others on the list, with the exception perhaps of Warren (who toes the corrupt party line too much for my taste).

No, Neven. She really is NOT more progressive than all the others on the list.

She is at position 157 on the list right now and obtained a solid "F" :

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house

That's DOWN from position 133 last year :



She is NOT progressive. I don't understand why you keep on insisting she is, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2019, 10:56:26 AM »
AFAICT and IMO, she is more progressive than everyone else on the list of presidential candidates as per the poll, with the exception of Sanders and Warren. But again, I'm not sure she really means what she says and whether she'll be a fake liar, like Trump, Obama and the Clintons (whereas with Booker, Harris, Biden, Gillibrand, O#Rourke, etc I'm 100% sure, because they are all Corporate Democrats who hope to be rewarded with fame and fortune if they do the bidding of concentrated wealth).

BTW, if she is as non-progressive as you say she is, Rob, she sounds like the perfect candidate for those 'liberals' who think McCain is a hero and George Bush isn't a war criminal. But without a cue from mainstream establishment media they won't change their minds. If that happens and mainstream media starts praising her and heaping loads of free airtime on her, I'll be sure that she's also fake.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2019, 11:45:21 AM »
Why is that list important to you Rob to rely on?

Facts! Science!
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #88 on: March 01, 2019, 03:36:26 AM »


Why is that list important to you Rob to rely on?

eg in the Lifetime Overall scores @ 174th is Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria

She's behind Gabbard, Tulsi at 152nd , 151 Schiff, Adam, as well as Pelosi at 102nd.

I don't think people will use it before they are walking into the polling booth to vote - at least I hope not.

So you found a machine, you turn a few knobs, and then remark that the whole thing is out of balance, so nobody should use it.

I really hope you are not an engineer or a mechanic. ;)

Why not start with the weighted score that progressivepunch.org uses themselves :
 Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria 1st place
 Pelosi, Nancy 47th
 Schiff, Adam, 122nd
 Gabbard, Tulsi, 155th

Tulsi Gabbard dropped so low because she voted AGAINST progressive causes for bills that were clearly progressive. That's because she is NOT a progressive candidate.

Govtrack puts her in the middle of the pack. Almost Republican :

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2019, 01:44:23 PM »
I was suitably impressed by Washington (state) Governor Jay Inslee in his interview (and Rachel Maddow's background talk beforehand).  My co-worker this morning said to me, "I know who your candidate it for President … a one-issue guy … and it's your issue." 
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« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2019, 07:48:02 AM »
TL;DR: According to Rasmussen only Biden and Sanders can beat Trump. Emerson sees Biden and Sanders head to head.

Good to know: CNN can't be trusted since they only poll people older than 49 as if they had an agenda which is not informing people correctly.

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« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2019, 04:29:59 PM »
Emerson shows that only Biden is ahead of Trump.  Everyone else is within the polling margin of error.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2019, 06:48:41 AM »
Gravel in ? Makes Bernie look like a young 'un.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gravel-2020-810542/

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« Reply #98 on: March 30, 2019, 09:44:00 AM »
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+1. Thank you. Great summary !
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #99 on: March 30, 2019, 12:04:58 PM »
Welcome, Rob. :)

I take it Bernie is your favourite candidate too?