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Rob Dekker

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Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« Reply #500 on: October 24, 2018, 04:38:20 AM »
How do you know this never happened Rob?

Well, if it did happen, it would be easy to provide an example.
Where ever did Afghans "turn their guns on their mentors and shoot them in the back" ?

I see some examples where some Afghan hot-head likes neither the Taliban nor Americans, but no example at all where an Afghan shoots his own mentor in the back. Did you find any ?

Also the number of insider fire casualties in Afghanistan stands at 155 for ALL coalition forces during ALL of the war.

That's bad enough as it is, but it also means that the "A couple hundred Americans" number given in this article is exaggerated.
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« Reply #501 on: October 24, 2018, 07:02:22 PM »
Rogue Afghan soldier shoots dead two US weapons trainers

Ben Farmer in Kabul
4:35PM BST 20 Jul 2010

The two civilians were shot dead at an army training camp on Tuesday near the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif a week after a rogue soldier killed three British troops in Helmand.
The killings heightened concerns over the quality of Afghan forces being trained by Nato to replace foreign soldiers fighting on the front line against the Taliban.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7900826/Rogue-Afghan-soldier-shoots-dead-two-US-weapons-trainers.html



An Afghan border police officer opened fire on U.S. troops during a training mission in the east of the country Monday, killing six American service members before he was shot dead, U.S. and Afghan officials said.
The shooting — the highest toll for NATO forces since nine Americans died in a Sept. 21 helicopter crash — was the latest in a series of shootouts in which Afghan security forces have turned on their NATO partners.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghan-cop-kills-6-us-troops-officials-say/


Do you have a link for the 155 number?


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« Reply #502 on: October 25, 2018, 07:13:25 AM »
Do you have a link for the 155 number?

This number was mentioned a number of times in media reports. Last time here :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/member-of-us-led-coalition-killed-in-afghanistan-in-apparent-insider-attack/2018/10/22/17e84d56-d60a-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html?utm_term=.c14dec74d07b

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Insider attacks against coalition forces in Afghanistan became a significant concern beginning in 2008. Since then, more than 100 incidents have been reported in which about 155 U.S. or coalition troops or contractors have been killed and 200 wounded by Afghans in uniform.

So insider attacks are a significant problem in Afganistan, but the claim that "A couple hundred Americans and several allied troops have been killed in such assaults."  is exaggerated.
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« Reply #503 on: October 25, 2018, 10:49:26 PM »
Astore at tomdispatch points out that the Pentagon is winning the only war that matters:

"Washington’s own deeply embedded illusions and deceptions also serve to generate and perpetuate its wars."

"This elevation of “our” troops as America’s moral heroes feeds a Pentagon imperative that seeks to isolate the military from criticism and its commanders from accountability for wars gone horribly wrong"

"With U.S. forces endlessly fighting ill-begotten wars, whether in Vietnam in the 1960s or in Iraq and Afghanistan four decades later, it’s easy to lose sight of where the Pentagon continues to maintain a truly winning record: right here in the U.S.A. Today, whatever’s happening on the country’s distant battlefields, the idea that ever more inflated military spending is an investment in making America great again reigns supreme  ..."

Astore goes on to excoriate Elizabeth Warren for selling out:

"Still, nowhere in it [Warren's reply] was there any critique of, or even passingly critical commentary about, the U.S. military, or the still-spreading war on terror, or the never-ending Afghan War, or the wastefulness of Pentagon spending, or the devastation wrought in these years by the last superpower on this planet. Everything was anodyne and safe  ..."

"What choice does Warren have but to play it safe? She can’t go on record criticizing the military ...Isn’t that proof that the Pentagon has won its most important war, the one that captured -- to steal a phrase from another losing war -- the “hearts and minds” of America? In this country in 2018, as in 2017, 2016, and so on, the U.S. military and its leaders dictate what is acceptable for us to say and do when it comes to our prodigal pursuit of weapons and wars."

Read the whole thing:

 http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/176487/

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« Reply #504 on: November 01, 2018, 07:35:21 AM »
Well, now. Empire commander in Afghanistan admits necessity for a political settlement:

"I naturally feel compelled to try to set the conditions for a political outcome. "

Would be more convincing if he hadn't started off by talking about an "offensive mindset."  I agree with the adjective, but perhaps not in the way he meant.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/414082-new-us-commander-touts-more-offensive-mindset-against-taliban

Nyhoo, Pakistan released a senior Taliban figure the other day, we may yet see  progress. But I doubt the Talib will agree to anything less than withdrawal of all foreign troops.

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« Reply #505 on: November 04, 2018, 11:28:42 PM »
Meet the troika of tyranny: Monro resurgent

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/11/03/bolt-n03.html

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« Reply #506 on: November 06, 2018, 10:21:57 AM »

Update (8:40 am ET): The following countries will receive ‘temporary’ waivers excusing them from US sanctions on Iranian oil exports.
• South Korea
• Taiwan
• Turkey
• Greece
• Japan
• China
• India
• Italy

[… Visual shows main importers of Iran’s oil: China, India (together 50% of total), EU (20%); they’re all now safe to restore to pre-Trump-sanctions levels, so that Iran will possibly exceed its current (which are based on fears they’d not get a waiver) oil-sales. Trump’s sanctions, in any case, look like a failure.]

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/11/05/trumps-sanctions-against-iran-appear-to-have-failed/

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« Reply #507 on: November 06, 2018, 10:29:40 AM »
The US’s real concern is that a new government in Yemen will not be compliant to Western neoliberalism and IMF imposed austerity and privatization. The Saudi’s are worried that a Houthi-led government in Yemen would not be under its oppressive thumb. Together the UN, the US, the KSA and other Gulf Cooperation Council countries declared Hadi as the “internationally recognized legitimate government” of Yemen. Functioning out of a Riyadh five-star hotel, Hadi supposedly asked for the US-led Saudi coalition to aid him in restoring himself to power, in what he calls a civil war.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE claim that they are coming to the aid of the “internationally recognized legitimate government” of Yemen. (Notice that the Western mainstream media always uses that exact phrasing to describe Hadi). The United Nations imposed a one-sided arms embargo on Yemen, which is actually a blockade. All of this happened with a wink, a node and a push from President Obama in 2015.

With US logistical support, Saudi Arabia launched an air assault on Yemen in 2015 code named Operation Decisive Storm. When that failed the US-led Saudis appropriately renamed it Operation Restoring Hope. The US-led Saudis intensified their attacks on the civilian population, destroyed their water works and sanitation facilities, which has predictably caused an outbreak of cholera.

The blockade of humanitarian supplies, food, potable water and needed repair parts has, again predictably, resulted in the worst cholera epidemic in history. It is germ warfare, which is the same as the US used in the 1990’s to kill hundreds of thousands of children in Iraq. [See: “The Role of ‘Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities’ in Halting One Genocide and Preventing Others” by the Association of Genocide Scholars.]
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/11/05/yemen-is-another-us-dirty-war/

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« Reply #508 on: November 08, 2018, 10:05:16 PM »
Wrong headchoppers: Can't give 'em money, they're not our headchoppers:

"Since late 2017, a USAID OIG investigation uncovered numerous instances of possible or confirmed diversions to armed groups in Idlib province, including Ha’yat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS), a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization ..."

"an NGO’s employees knowingly diverted thousands of USAID-funded food kits worth millions of dollars to ineligible beneficiaries (including HTS fighters) and submitted falsified beneficiary lists."

https://media.defense.gov/2018/Nov/05/2002059226/-1/-1/1/FY2019_LIG_OCO_OIR_Q4_SEP2018.PDF

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« Reply #509 on: November 08, 2018, 10:14:01 PM »
Massacre by proxy: "there is an American imprint on every single civilian death inside Yemen."

"We sell them the bombs, we help them with the targeting, we fuel their planes in mid-air, and we give them moral cover ... We also have made no meaningful effort at all to try to find a path to peace."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/05/there-is-an-american-imprint-on-every-single-civilian-death-inside-yemen/

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« Reply #510 on: November 12, 2018, 10:15:30 AM »
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/11/09/half-million-killed-americas-global-war-terror-just-scratches-surface-human?utm_source=samizdat&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=free

Regardless of how Democrats in the House proceed, Neta C. Crawford, a Boston University political science professor who co-directs the Costs of War Project, argued in the report's conclusion that there is a need to keep the public more informed about the consequences of the seemingly endless wars in the Middle East in order to drive demands for improving U.S. foreign policy.

"This update just scratches the surface of the human consequences of 17 years of war," Crawford wrote. "Too often, legislators, NGOs, and the news media that try to track the consequences of the wars are inhibited by governments determined to paint a rosy picture of perfect execution and progress."

"The U.S. has made some effort to increase transparency," she acknowledged, "but there are a number of areas—the number of civilians killed and injured, and the number of U.S. military and veteran suicides, for instance—where greater transparency would lead to greater accountability and could lead to better policy."

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« Reply #511 on: November 12, 2018, 11:06:13 AM »

Although several peace projects are currently circulating in the chanceries, Thierry Meyssan points out their inadequacy for this sort of war. According to him, those who begin with an amputated analysis of the conflict, yet still believe they are doing the right thing, will not only fail to resolve the problem, but will pave the way for a new war. It is imperative to treat the ideological question as a priority.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article203743.html

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« Reply #512 on: November 13, 2018, 12:55:31 AM »
"The Taliban are not ready for direct talks with the Kabul government and will negotiate with the United States instead"

Shorter Taliban statement: "We'll talk to the puppet master, rather than the puppet, thank you."

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-russia-afghanistan-taliban-talks/taliban-says-not-ready-for-direct-talks-with-kabul-idUKKCN1NE1PD

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« Reply #513 on: November 17, 2018, 03:43:59 PM »
It is exactly that but just globalized.

The problem is that no one can stop it now because the US has this huge leverage.

Basically you always plan for the next war and the US does not need to plan for defensive wars so they don´t.

Some days in darker moments i wonder if the same people that plan all that see the coming climate catastrophe as a great chance.




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« Reply #514 on: November 18, 2018, 12:13:58 PM »
From 2015:
On Monday, May 18, the conservative government watchdog group Judicial Watch published a selection of formerly classified documents obtained from the U.S. Department of Defense and State Department through a federal lawsuit.
While initial mainstream media reporting is focused on the White House’s handling of the Benghazi consulate attack, a much “bigger picture” admission and confirmation is contained in one of the Defense Intelligence Agency documents circulated in 2012: that an ‘Islamic State’ is desired in Eastern Syria to effect the West’s policies in the region.
Astoundingly, the newly declassified report states that for “THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.
The DIA report, formerly classified “SECRET//NOFORN” and dated August 12, 2012, was circulated widely among various government agencies, including CENTCOM, the CIA, FBI, DHS, NGA, State Dept., and many others.
The document shows that as early as 2012, U.S. intelligence predicted the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), but instead of clearly delineating the group as an enemy, the report envisions the terror group as a U.S. strategic asset.
While a number of analysts and journalists have documented long ago the role of western intelligence agencies in the formation and training of the armed opposition in Syria, this is the highest level internal U.S. intelligence confirmation of the theory that western governments fundamentally see ISIS as their own tool for regime change in Syria. The document matter-of-factly states just that scenario.
Forensic evidence, video evidence, as well as recent admissions of high-level officials involved (see former Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford’s admissions here and here), have since proven the State Department and CIA’s material support of ISIS terrorists on the Syrian battlefield going back to at least 2012 and 2013 (for a clear example of “forensic evidence”: see UK-based Conflict Armament Research’s report which traced the origins of Croatian anti-tank rockets recovered from ISIS fighters back to a Saudi/CIA joint program via identifiable serial numbers).

https://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/

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« Reply #515 on: November 24, 2018, 11:20:43 AM »
First published in November 2015

GR Editor’s Note

Let us put this in historical perspective: the commemoration of the War the End All Wars  acknowledges that 15 million lives were lost in the course of World War I (1914-18).

The loss of life in the second World War (1939-1945) was on a much large scale, when compared to World War I: 60 million lives both military and civilian were lost during World War II. (Four times those killed during World War I).

The largest WWII casualties  were China and the Soviet Union, 26 million in the Soviet Union,  China estimates its losses at approximately 20,000,000 deaths. Ironically, these two countries (allies of the US during WWII) which lost a large share of their population during WWII are now categorized as enemies of America, which are threatening the Western World.  A so-called preemptive war against China and Russia is currently contemplated.

Germany and Austria lost approximately 8 million people during WWII, Japan lost more than 2.5 million people. The US and Britain respectively lost more than 400,000 lives.

This carefully documented article by James A. Lucas  documents the more than 20 million lives lost resulting from US led wars, military coups and intelligence ops carried out in the wake of what is euphemistically called the “post-war era” (1945- ).

Continuous US led warfare (1945- ): there was no “post-war era”

Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, November 15 2018

After the catastrophic attacks of September 11 2001 monumental sorrow and a feeling of desperate and understandable anger began to permeate the American psyche. A few people at that time attempted to promote a balanced perspective by pointing out that the United States had also been responsible for causing those same feelings in people in other nations, but they produced hardly a ripple. Although Americans understand in the abstract the wisdom of people around the world empathizing with the suffering of one another, such a reminder of wrongs committed by our nation got little hearing and was soon overshadowed by an accelerated “war on terrorism.”

But we must continue our efforts to develop understanding and compassion in the world. Hopefully, this article will assist in doing that by addressing the question “How many September 11ths has the United States caused in other nations since WWII?” This theme is developed in this report which contains an estimated numbers of such deaths in 37 nations as well as brief explanations of why the U.S. is considered culpable.

The causes of wars are complex. In some instances nations other than the U.S. may have been responsible for more deaths, but if the involvement of our nation appeared to have been a necessary cause of a war or conflict it was considered responsible for the deaths in it. In other words they probably would not have taken place if the U.S. had not used the heavy hand of its power. The military and economic power of the United States was crucial.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

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« Reply #516 on: December 06, 2018, 11:12:05 PM »
Sjursen sees defeat in Afghanistan: Losing the war is the only thing left to do

"The time has come, as it once did in Vietnam, to ask who, exactly, is willing to be the last to die for a nose-diving war effort. "

https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2018/12/04/what-is-left-for-the-us-to-do-in-afghanistan-the-answer-lose/

and points to an article on the increasing loss of faith by the Afghan people:

"after 17 years of war, the Taliban have retaken half the country, security is worse than it’s ever been, and many Afghans place the blame squarely on the Americans."

 “The foreigners are not making things better. They should go.”

https://www.apnews.com/953d155608464b9c8f21c439d6cae82c

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« Reply #517 on: December 07, 2018, 03:06:22 AM »
Linking everything from Iran to Ukraine, and over 60 years of American coups, the following examines the history of America's covert  operations from 1953 through 2013.
Ukrainian was still a work in progress, and Venezuela was hardly off the ground when this was written. Their observations that America had used right wing hooligans instead of their preferred use of military personnel to provide the necessary violence may yet prove to be a major error that causes the whole structure to implode.

https://www.alternet.org/world/americas-coup-machine-destroying-democracy-1953

With masked Nazi zealots screaming for the blood of any Ukrainian who spoke Russian, and candle lit marches under fascist flags, it didn't take much for the Crimeans to see Putin and the "polite green men" as their saviors.
With Crimea and it's naval basses swept off the table Ukraine soon lost it's luster. Her industrialized west has always spoken Russian, and considered themselves more Russian than Ukrainian. Reports of whole factories, employees as well as machinery, moving to Russia were prevalent.
The harsh treatment of any suspected of Russian sympathies has divided communities and families, but the faltering economy, vainly waiting for adequate western aid may have an even more powerful influence than watching politicians being dumped in trash cans as they rise to speak in the Rada.

Poking the bear, then running for Western protection, combined with declaring martial law may buy Poroshenko a few more months, but who will succeed him? Will the far right metastasize, or will they be driven from power?
If the Ukrainians have learned that they can change leadership by taking to the streets, those presently holding the reigns need to consider their future.
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« Reply #518 on: December 07, 2018, 07:46:14 AM »
2006 May 19,
From: Russia Moscow
Classified By: Ambassador William J. Burns.

1. (C) SUMMARY: In the month since Russia's controversial new NGO legislation formally went into effect, there has been widespread uncertainty about how to comply with it and about its long-term impact. Though implementing regulations have been issued, they fail to address many practical questions. The Justice Ministry reportedly is preparing explanatory notes, and some Federal Registration Service (FRS) officials indicate they are open to meeting with NGOs to discuss compliance. 


11. (C) Some organizations have found that the law creates MOSCOW 00005372 003 OF 004 new obstacles to receiving direct funding from foreign governments. In response, USAID is developing arrangements, for instance, to channel funds to Internews Russia through Internews Network (US) rather than directly. Internews Russia will then work for the Network on a commercial consulting basis, rather than as a non-profit grantee. Our contacts at the UK embassy told us they are working on similar arrangements for their grantees with Internews and some others. Internews Russia is among several organizations that may "go corporate" because of the new law. IUE head Marina Liborakina recently told us her organization has also begun considering that option.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06MOSCOW5372_a.html
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« Reply #519 on: December 07, 2018, 07:51:13 AM »
Since 1993, Internews has been working in Ukraine with journalists, public officials, civil society activists and citizens. Through grant support and targeted technical assistance, Internews helps a wide array of local partners carry out projects that they design and implement themselves. These initiatives include educating citizens and journalists about the public service role of a responsible media sector, increasing the quality and quantity of investigative reporting by local journalists, helping traditional media increase their online offerings, providing legal support to journalists and media outlets, and reforming media legislation to approach European standards. Through trainings, consultations, and grants, Internews also helps its partners build their own organizational capacity in finance, administration, digital security, and other areas.
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The State of Media in Ukraine: the Internews Annual Survey

Censorship was a way of life in Ukraine for decades, under Soviet rule and beyond. The hard-won right to overcome this history depends on a robust media to make good on the promise of free expression. The good news is that Ukraine has a pluralistic, mature media landscape. The bad news is that much of it is tinged with propaganda, either from Ukrainian oligarchs who own major media properties or from Russian media streaming in from next door.

Every year, Internews, as part of the USAID-funded Ukraine Media Project ......
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« Reply #520 on: December 07, 2018, 07:58:08 AM »
NED

The Pentagon and Independent Media—an Update

In 2011, psychological operations (PSYOPS) was re-named Military Information Support Operations (MISO) and was put under the control of one agency, the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM)

The Obama administration reacted by energizing an agency at the State Department known as the Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications (CSCC). The center, created by an executive order in 2011, had mainly been coordinating the counter-terror messaging work of others. But in 2013 its director, Alberto Fernandez, led an effort to crank out anti-terrorism videos. 

The MIST teams deployed by SOCOM are, by most accounts, a useful tool. Various reports put them in anywhere from 22 to 30 countries worldwide. They work with the public affairs teams of the embassies, upon request from the regional combatant commands. Most MISTs are working in Africa, according to Front Line Public Diplomacy, a book by William A, Rugh, a 31-year veteran of the Foreign Service. Rugh wrote that MISTs are a boon to embassies not only for their expertise
and equipment, but because they can bring with them a budget of $1 million and a team of two to six persons to help an embassy reach its audiences. 27

While the work of the MISTs is sometimes portrayed as benign—like getting out the message on a U.S.-backed health initiative—messages from embassies requesting their services suggest their main effort is classic psychological operations. A set of State Department cables posted by Wikileaks shows various embassies in the DRC, Panama, Nepal, and even Mexico requesting a MIST to aid with PSYOPS. A typical message, this one from Paraguay in 2009, asks for a MIST team to:
... conduct the approved Trans-Regional PSYOP Program to
support stability operations whose purpose is to eliminate
internal threats and deny conditions that could be exploited
by terrorists, drug trafficking organizations (DTOQs), and their
enablers. MIST will assist in establishing host nation control
over ungoverned and under-governed spaces. MIST programs
will focus on disrupting conditions that are exploited by violent
extremist/IAGS activities and their enabling networks.
It is interesting that the embassy justifies the request as an
enhancement to public diplomacy
: “Justification: SOCSOUTH does not
have the organic assets to conduct PSYOP planning to support Public
Diplomacy and FID efforts.” 28


https://www.cima.ned.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/CIMA-The-Pentagon-and-Independent-Media-Update.pdf
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« Reply #521 on: December 07, 2018, 08:33:09 AM »
6 Dec, 2018 The Ukraine

The US military said on Thursday it carried out an “extraordinary” flight over Ukraine under the Open Skies Treaty. The move is intended to reaffirm the US commitment to the country after the Kerch Strait incident, Reuters reported. In a statement, the Pentagon described the standoff as “Russia’s unprovoked attack on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Black Sea.” Russia earlier slammed the incident as a provocation.
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Ukraine’s Parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, upheld President Petro Poroshenko’s decision to terminate the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership with Russia on Thursday. As many as 277 lawmakers voted for a bill on the treaty’s termination submitted by the president, while 226 votes were needed to pass the bill, TASS reports.

The Verkhovna Rada is composed of 450 deputies. So 173 Voted against it 38.4%.

The treaty between Ukraine and Russia will be terminated on April Fools Day, 2019, according to the bill. The decision will enter into force on the day following its publication. On September 17, Poroshenko signed a decree enforcing the Ukrainian Security Service’s decision to terminate the treaty on friendship. The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry notified Moscow about the move on September 24.
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Kiev stubbornly sabotages the implementation of the Minsk agreements on the settlement in Donbass and the decisions of the Normandy Four group, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday. He was speaking at an OSCE Ministerial Council meeting in Milan, Italy.

The Normandy Four group on eastern Ukraine comprises Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France. The Minsk package of measures “remains the only alternative basis for overcoming the internal Ukrainian conflict,” Lavrov said. Russia’s envoy to the Contact Group on eastern Ukraine, Boris Gryzlov, said after a session in Minsk on Tuesday that the imposition of martial law in ten Ukrainian regions, initiated by President Petro Poroshenko, will have a negative effect on a peace process in Donbass.
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« Reply #522 on: December 08, 2018, 01:18:08 AM »
I believe this is called working both sides or something along that vein.This is going to end badly and will likely leave a mark!

The Soros network is engaged in an active effort to affect politics, economics, and societies globally, including in Europe (Albania, Macedonia, Romania, Hungary) and Latin America (Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico). Judicial Watch has successfully investigated and litigated to document the paper trail left by the OSF network as it operates, at taxpayer expense, to subvert and manipulate the sovereignty of constitutional republics and allies of the United States. Last year Judicial Watch exposed a collaborative effort between the U.S. government and Soros to destabilize the democratically elected, center-right government in Macedonia. Records obtained by Judicial Watch in that investigation show that the U.S. Ambassador to Macedonia worked behind the scenes with OSF to funnel large sums of American dollars for the cause, constituting an interference of the U.S. Ambassador in domestic political affairs in violation of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. The cash—about $5 million—flowed through the State Department and USAID.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/12/u-s-subsidizes-soros-radical-leftist-agenda-worldwide-judicial-watch-special-report-shows/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=corruption%20chronicles&utm_source=samizdat&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=free

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« Reply #523 on: December 08, 2018, 02:15:24 AM »
I believe this is called working both sides or something along that vein.This is going to end badly and will likely leave a mark!

The Soros network is engaged in an active effort to affect politics, economics, and societies globally, including in Europe (Albania, Macedonia, Romania, Hungary) and Latin America (Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico). Judicial Watch has successfully investigated and litigated

OK, so why are we taking a far-right source (Judicial Watch) at face value about anything?
Soros is endlessly a bogeyman of right-wingers.  Maybe the US gov't shouldn't be funding his OSI efforts around freedom of the press matters, but that doesn't mean OSI is doing anything bad with it.  Mostly, I've been favorably impressed by OSI's work.  I wouldn't trust JW to be accurate, anyway.

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« Reply #524 on: December 08, 2018, 03:40:41 AM »
In general, it's good to be skeptical and not too hasty in forming fixed conclusions nor beliefs. Of course it's essential to also trusts one's own instincts and intuition too. At least those who truly can recognize the difference between those important insights versus their unconscious mental conditioning.

The best way to be skeptical is first establish what the facts are. In the absence of available facts, due to multiple secrecy provisions disinformation and so on, the next step is to take practical steps to uncover those missing/absent facts. For the public the best they can do is allow for others (without prejudging the outcomes or the source) to do this kind of work, keep it in mind, and keep paying attention so that when new facts do become known that you get to know it too.

FOIA is a part of that process. One used by Seymour Hersh his entire professional life as a great example. The Pentagon papers would be the ideal example of exposing decades of blatant lies to and egregious manipulation of the Public and Congress (parliaments).

Based on a long history of intentional systemic abuse and gross deceptions, I do not trust (-absent hard factual verifiable evidence to the contrary-) any arm of the US Government to be accurate on any subject. Definitely not on Foreign Affairs and America's proven non-stop direct interference in other sovereign nations legitimate internal affairs. The record is abundantly clear on this point. Nothing has changed in 2018.

Today as always, it is very easy and convenient to 'shoot the messenger' at will - without a single fact to hand about the specific allegation. Such is the influence and the conditioning that affects the masses as a result of decades of "systemic abuse and gross deceptions" through the power of the media and relentless propaganda practices.

Gary Webb would probably be the best modern day classic example of a 'truth-teller' providing hard factual evidence becoming - a messenger being shot - not only by the multiple arms of the Government and it's Political party shills but also by his peers in the media across the entire nation. What happened to Gary Webb and his family as collateral damage is a disgrace - a crime - a gross Human Rights Violation by the US Government and the Institutional Media in America who have never been held to account nor punished for their abuse of power and the Law of the land.

The most pressing current example is of course Julian Assange and Wikileaks - the psychopaths would all love to have him literally shot. Or as Hilary Clinton tellingly asked (quote) - "Can't we drone him?"   

Facts matter. Just stick to the Facts and await for more to arrive at any time, unexpectedly, and remain rationally skeptical (if at all possible.)

Refs
https://theintercept.com/2014/09/25/managing-nightmare-cia-media-destruction-gary-webb/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

Thousands of other proven examples of what is described above exist and can be researched.
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« Reply #525 on: December 08, 2018, 11:17:11 AM »
I recently read what I found an interesting article on Soros by Craig Murray (who most people would consider a Kremlin stooge):

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One principle of this blog is that I give my views whether they will be welcome or not, either to the general public or to the portion of the public who regularly read this blog. Since we started accepting subscriptions to keep it going, almost every article causes somebody to write to me saying they are canceling their subscription because they did not agree with me. I would much prefer anybody who is kindly giving money in the expectation of agreeing with everything I write, to cancel now. The purpose of this blog is to be intellectually challenging and provide food for thought, with facts and viewpoints not readily available in the mainstream media. It is about intellectual inquiry, not followership.

This is one of those occasions when I know that a significant number of people here will not agree with me. I like George Soros and consider him to be a good man. I should declare an interest; he once bought me a pizza, over 20 years ago. But I considered then, and I consider now, that Soros is a man who has devoted huge amounts of his personal resources, in terms of time and in terms of money, to attempting to make the world a better place, from motives of altruism.

Furthermore I believe that a lot of the work of the Open Society Institute, which I witnessed first hand, in Poland and Uzbekistan and elsewhere, is good work, particularly in the field of human rights and media freedom.

I believe that Roger Scruton’s attack on Soros, particularly in a venue in Hungary where the far right Prime Minister has conducted a truly hateful, state orchestrated, anti-semitic and anti-immigrant campaign against Soros, puts Scruton totally beyond the pale.

Soros frequently is cited in comments below the line on this blog as the personification of evil capitalism. Let me address the obvious elephants in the room. The first is how he made his money. This I make no attempt to defend. He has simply managed assets and traded derivative products, particularly in foreign exchange markets, and either by brilliance or sustained good luck, become extremely wealthy from an activity that provides no societal good. Indeed derivatives trading is a cancerous growth on modern economies, where the financial flows vastly exceed the value of trade in actual goods or genuine first party services.

However, people live and work in the economic situation that exists; to condemn people for not dropping out and going off-grid is to adopt a purist and ineffective position. I do not know how Soros got into the business line he adopted, but I am not condemning every individual working in trading. It is also worth stating that Soros’ ethnicity is utterly irrelevant to his career, and those who hint otherwise are offensive.

The second elephant in the room is that Soros appears aligned to the global spread of neo-liberalism, and to the Clinton camp with its warmongering foreign policy. Leaving aside for two paragraphs the question of whether or not that is true, the most important answer to that is that the man is entitled to his beliefs. To condemn him because his beliefs are not all my beliefs would be wrong. That Soros uses so much of his personal wealth to try to make the world a better place, according to his view of how society might best be structured, makes him a good man and not a bad man. That I may have a different view of how society should be structured is not the test; it is whether somebody is genuinely trying to do good by others.

Soros’ view of how society might best be structured is coloured by his past experience of the Eastern bloc. It is natural that anybody from what was occupied Hungary looks at Russia with a wary and distrustful eye. It is natural that those who understand the real failings of Soviet style central planning are dubious of schemes of socialism. But Soros is in fact fairly mainstream European social democrat with very liberal societal views. I genuinely do not understand his demonisation by large sections of the left. Soros is anathema to the right wing nationalist parties of Eastern Europe.

It is also worth pointing out that Soros’ view of his own profession is by no means straightforward. He argued extremely strongly for greater financial regulation, publishing highly informative and reasoned books on the subject, at the height of the craze for deregulation. He was not a supporter of the Big Bang or of Gordon Brown’s market worship. His 1998 opus, The Crisis of Global Capitalism, argues that financial markets are inherently unstable and swing like a wrecking ball not like a pendulum, and that globalisation is in fact an extension of Imperialism. That someone made so much money, from rules he believed should have been altered to stop him doing it, is a conundrum; but he is altogether a complicated character.

Finally, that Soros is a warmonger and supporter of US military attacks on the Middle East is not true. He opposed the Iraq war, and is generally against military intervention. His funding reaches so many NGO’s, of diverse views, it is always possible to find a tweet by Avaaz, or a report on Syrian human rights violations by Amnesty International, and make the claim “that is Soros shilling for war”. But in fact his influence on the vast array of civil society institutions he funds is extremely light touch, and they encompass widely differing viewpoints. Soros’ strong support for the warmonger Clinton is something I do not attempt to justify, other than to note that many people of liberal views are taken in by the old “liberal” establishment. It is quite a psychological step to accept it has gone full neo-con.

I most certainly do not agree with all of Soros’ views, or actions. But I agree with more of them than you may suppose. That all of his actions are motivated by a desire to make more money for himself or to benefit the ruling class, I am quite sure is not true. That he is a hawk and a warmonger I do not believe. That his efforts do a lot of real good I have witnessed first hand. The demonisation of Soros is lazy, inaccurate and unfair.
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« Reply #526 on: December 09, 2018, 01:05:53 AM »
I'm very surprised by Murray's appraisal of Soros, but Soros never picked up the tab for my pizza. I wonder what Craig would write of Adelson and his deep pocketed political meddling?
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« Reply #527 on: December 09, 2018, 06:56:35 AM »
George Soros? Don't know much about him. Never looked him up. Don't really care. My sons have mentioned him from their cruising around online such as reddit. He does not seem very popular to those on the right from what I hear. And I conclude he's often spoken about in connection with NED. He sounds like a typical immigrant from Hungary from soviet days, there's another rich business dude I know from here - they seem like twins though Soros has much more moolah, but still never paid attention to the 'politics' of the two. Soros sure doesn't sound like a Rupert Murdoch type, but I'd be guessing based on minor snippets only. That kind of wealth attracts default criticism and suspicions from the left, and the article above says he is supposed to a bit of a 'globalist neoliberal' (whatever that is really supposed mean, too often depends on the reader.) Shipped from USSR to the USA he couldn't have gone through a more extreme transition, imho. Out of the frying pan into the fire. God knows what he made of that but I suspect (guess) it was traumatizing and utterly confusing. What does that mean? Well if he had found a new home in say, New Zealand, he would have grown into a totally different person with a completely different worldview, and far less extreme that whatever it is like today for him walking in his shoes. That's my guess. But he does matter to me or anything about him? I doubt it. I don't care. Same as I don't really care about who Trump is either. Or Hillary. It's hard to know from a distant when, and who is being the puppet at the moment, and who or what really is the Puppeteer. ;) 
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« Reply #528 on: December 09, 2018, 08:21:42 AM »
On December 7, 2016, president-elect Trump delivered a speech in North Carolina that laid out his foreign policy.

He declared: “We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with.”
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« Reply #529 on: December 09, 2018, 09:48:50 AM »
VARIOUS Related

A bit of skimming (fwiw?) shows me that democratic/socialist/libertarian/transactional Russia (sic?) doesn't have much love or trust in Soros/NED/extreme right wing neo-conservative globalist America (sic?) .... (while many in America aren't quite sure either)

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201711111059013479-soros-myanmar-china-rohingya/

Not an 'unbiased' source by any means, at times a tad 'unreliable' from globalresearch.ca 2015
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Under Russia’s law on Undesirable NGOs, adopted by the Duma or parliament and signed into law by President Putin this May, any foreign or international non-governmental organization could become “undesirable” if it threatened the foundations of Russia’s constitutional order, the country’s defense capability and the security of the Russian state.

Significantly, in a statement regarding the decision, Russia’s Foreign Ministry named Carl Gershman, the neo-conservative who has been president since NED was founded in 1983. They noted that Gershman said – absolutely openly – that the NED organization was intended to be a beautiful facade for distributing funds among opposition circles in foreign countries. That suggests they have done their homework very well before banning the NED.

In a Washington Post OpEd responding to the ban, NED President Gershman cynically wrote that the move is, “the latest evidence that the regime of President Vladimir Putin faces a worsening crisis of political legitimacy.” He failed to note that despite US economic sanctions put in place by Victoria Nuland’s neo-conservative friends in the Obama Administration, Vladimir Putin’s poll popularity currently stands at 89% according to Russia’s independent Levada Center.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-national-endowment-for-democracy-ned-is-now-officially-undesirable-in-russia/5468215

Sounds not a lot different than FARA or overseas campaign election restrictions in the USA. (yes/no?)

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/07/05/trump-regime-change-soros-style.html

or Nicaraguans (and others in a very long detailed report, connections, names, quotes refs etc)
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/category/organizations/ned/

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Nor does Tony Cartalucci, who seems to be quite 'out there' and 'full on' makes some sense too (never heard of him before, a convenient example only)

remember Libya?
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:NATO_Psy-Op_Collapses
Libya/Manchester
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Manchester_Alleged_Suicide_Bomber_Linked_to_Libya_Islamic_Fighting_Group

Syria
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:The_Syrian_Observatory_for_Human_Rights_is_a_Propaganda_Front_funded_by_the_EU

alt ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_al-Islam_Gaddafi#Stand-off_with_US_officials

He's got his critics too (red & yellow shirts sounds a little like the blue & the red US map? )
http://tony-cartalucci-critic.blogspot.com/
Who to believe?  ???

I saw Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador make his first speech to parliament. I wonder how long he will last. Do you give him maybe 6 months, or a little more?

That Bill Kristol, man, he's like the Energizer Bunny - he never stops
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Verified account @BillKristol 23 Nov 2018
"Shouldn’t an important U.S. foreign policy goal of the
next couple of decades be regime change in China?"


PNAC Co-Founded by William (Bill) Kristol in 1997 -> GW Bush / Cheney -> Iraq War in 2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
(I don't know about you, but I knew all about PNAC long before 9/11 )


I don't know who to believe or why to believe them all the time. But I do know this for certain: America is literally overflowing with narcissistic psychopaths, no, some real schitzos, nah, out there whackos, no, with unbelievably, nah again, with some incredibly extreme quite dogmatic types, especially those in the media and political circles. Among all these I sense from my own observations a higher degree of others who stand out as being really very extreme bordering on sociopaths / psychopaths who seem to have 'lost touch with their own humanity' and reason.

Of course such can be found everywhere else. And course there is an abundance of really nice good people in America too, this goes without saying. But I will just in case it matters.   
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« Reply #530 on: December 11, 2018, 03:22:59 AM »
'Little known news' - EU Pushback to US intervention in foreign lands

10 Dec, 2018 - EU will soon establish alternative payment channel allowing Iran to bypass US sanctions – Mogherin in Live Press Conference

 Brussels will create an alternative payment channel to facilitate financial transactions between the European Union and Iran in the near future to bypass US sanctions, the EU’s top diplomat, Federica Mogherini, has announced.

“I will expect this instrument to be established in the coming weeks before the end of the year as a way to protect and promote legitimate business,” EU's foreign policy chief told reporters on Monday.

The 28-nation bloc has been considering ways to continue doing business with Tehran and bypass US economic restrictions after Washington pulled out from the Iran nuclear deal and reimposed economic sanctions.
https://www.rt.com/business/446079-eu-mechanism-iran-sanctions/

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« Reply #531 on: December 11, 2018, 11:34:49 PM »
My fucking tax dollars at work.

"People have been left so desperately poor that they kill themselves before the hunger does."

"I met recently a 55-year-old man named Mohammad Mahioub Ahmed Saif who told me that his daughter, Taybeh, had stepped on a landmine the week before her wedding. It blew off one of her legs and badly damaged the other, leaving her bedridden and entirely dependent. Mohammad’s village is literally a minefield. He sold everything he could and brought his family to the house of a family member, where they are sharing a half-built room with no doors and no windows.

Mohammad cried when he told me his story and I cried too."

"The crowd that had gathered was left to choose between continuing to dig for buried survivors or fleeing the looming threat of a second hit. They stayed. "

"People seem empty to me now; we do whatever we have to each day ... "

"We used to have dreams but now we live in a nightmare. "

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/dec/11/yemen-war-norwegian-refugee-council

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« Reply #532 on: December 13, 2018, 06:05:08 AM »
SYRIA

12 December 2018
Turkey to start operation east of Euphrates in N. Syria in a few days – “It is time to realize our decision to wipe out terror groups east of the Euphrates,” Erdogan said. "It is clear that the purpose of these US observation posts is not to protect our country from terrorists but to protect terrorists from Turkey."
 
13 December 2018
“Unilateral military action into northeast Syria by any party, particularly as US personnel may be present or in the vicinity, is of grave concern,” Commander Sean Robertson, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement. “We would find any such actions unacceptable.”

Meanwhile back to reality, putting aside NATO is all but declaring war on NATO for a moment, Division 4 of the MIC on 12 December 2018 presented its new state-of-art MiG-35 fighter jet to the world - to be deployed in 2020 if the world lasts that long.

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« Reply #533 on: December 13, 2018, 06:23:46 AM »
Venezuela and Columbia

Could Maduro be doing a MLK in seeing what lays ahead?

 Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has accused US National Security Advisor John Bolton of preparing a plot to murder him, and also has called out Colombian leader Ivan Duque as Bolton’s accomplice.

“John Bolton is leading the plan to unleash violence and conduct a coup to introduce a transitional government”
in Venezuela, Maduro said at a press-conference, which was broadcast live on his Facebook page. “Bolton is preparing a plan for my assassination.”

Or a paranoid guilt ridden despot?
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