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« Reply #550 on: January 07, 2019, 05:52:21 AM »
:)

Brain damage, loss of balance and "poor comprehension" by Americans.....

And that was their general state when they arrived! The crickets made it even worse ... hehehehe
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« Reply #551 on: January 08, 2019, 08:16:32 AM »
Something for the future, because it will be come an issue; ie Mexico the latest in the "Venezuela/Ecuador/Cuba" ilk.

The new govt ( President) there is an entirely new kettle of fish and the US will not like it one bit.

Nearly 1,000 Mexican soldiers were deployed by the president across facilities owned by state oil company Pemex on Monday to counter nationwide gasoline theft that has resulted in fuel shortages in the country.

Some 900 soldiers entered Petroleos Mexicanos (Pemex) facilities as part of the government’s plan to battle illegal petrol siphoning, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador announced on Monday.

Overall, a total of 4,000 military and police personnel will be deployed at refineries to deal with fuel shortages plaguing the country. 


Just a heads up ... didn't take long for 'exceptional actions' to happen as they did promise to attempt to eradicate corruption and graft across the country.
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« Reply #552 on: January 09, 2019, 06:20:30 AM »
Nick Turse at commondreams: Pentagon a little coy about revealing number of foreign bases

And troop numbers. And number of countries undergoing liberation.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/08/bases-bases-everywhere-except-pentagons-report

C'mon, Pentagon. We know you're there. Your opposition knows you're there. We taxpayers employ you, how come you don't tell us ?

O silly me. We just pay you, but you don't answer to us. Just the oligarchs.

This kinda thing makes me wanna go full Amish.

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« Reply #553 on: January 11, 2019, 09:24:33 PM »
Democrats for War:

" what is remarkable about the new polling data on Syria is that the vast bulk of support for keeping troops there comes from Democratic Party voters, while Republicans and independents overwhelming favor their removal. "

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/11/as-democratic-elites-reunite-with-neocons-the-partys-voters-are-becoming-far-more-militaristic-and-pro-war-than-republicans/

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« Reply #554 on: January 11, 2019, 11:53:13 PM »
RW Neo-Nazi and newly appointed US Deputy Sheriff in the region, Poland has arrested a sales director for Chinese telecoms giant Huawei over allegations of working with Beijing’s intelligence services. Huawei is facing increased spying accusations from the US and its allies.

Has nothing at all to do with the looming global 5G build out of course. Commercial interests never ever influence Geo-political or national security imperatives ..... like never.

Besides, everyone knows China is the new Evil Empire who want to take over all the western spheres national telecoms to make it ever so much easier once the Invasions get under way.

Meanwhile in somewhat curiouser news Poland suddenly becomes the GO TO place for Global Summits about .... the Middle East & that Evil Iran ..... huh? WTF?

The United States plans to jointly host a global summit focused on the Middle East, particularly Iran, in Poland next month, the US State Department said on Friday. The gathering will take place in Warsaw on February 13-14. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told Fox News in an interview to air on Friday that the meeting would “focus on Middle East stability and peace and freedom and security here in this region, and that includes an important element of making sure that Iran is not a destabilizing influence.” Pompeo said the meeting would bring together dozens of countries from around the world, Reuters reported.

Warsaw ~ is the new Zurich!
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« Reply #556 on: January 14, 2019, 10:49:16 AM »
I'm old enough to remember when sanctions and sporting blockades were put onto South Africa. Like most other sanctions regimes until lately there were never sanctions placed on nations a country traded with because they didn't also place sanctions on south africa. If that had been the case then half the nations of the world would have been placing trade and financing sanctions on the USA for a decade or more. But that didn't happen.

How does one deal with a school yard bully? Pretty much the same way one handles any bully. One approach is to always remember "To choose your friends, don't let your friends choose you."

What's the USA up to lately with it's "friends" in Europe? Oh only threatening them endlessly. Of course most well informed and thinking people already realize the USA is off with the faeries and off the planet bat shit crazy generally speaking. So no surprises here.

It's the US Ambassador to Germany turn again:

 ‘Consider the danger’: US ambassador threatens to sanction German Nord Stream 2 companies
Published time: 13 Jan, 2019

US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell warned companies based in the country that they may face sanctions from Washington over their participation in the Nord Stream 2 project.

“As you are aware, the United States strongly opposes Nord Stream 2… The pipeline poses serious geopolitical consequences to our European allies and partners,” he wrote in a letter obtained by Bild am Sonntag newspaper.

“We continue to stress that firms operating in the Russian energy export pipeline sector are engaging in activities that carry significant sanctions risk,” Grenell asserted.

Every German company contributing to Nord Stream 2 should “consider the danger this project represents to European energy security as well as reputational costs and sanctions risk associated with it,” he added.

https://www.rt.com/news/448696-us-ambassador-threat-nordstream/

Of course everyone should know the US seeks to export it's own LNG to Europe to replace that coming from Russia .... but no it must be because Russia is so evil and untrustworthy. But with friends like the USA who needs any enemies? No one. The Europeans have more than enough on their plate already. And they need cheap reliable Gas which is what Russia is providing.

But this is what "bullies" do. Treat everyone they meet like shit when they make their own choices in their own self-interest.

DW en report
US Ambassador Richard Grenell threatens German firms over Russian pipeline

The US ambassador to Berlin, Richard Grenell, has sent threatening letters to German companies working on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, according to a German newspaper. Grenell reportedly warns of possible sanctions.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-ambassador-richard-grenell-threatens-german-firms-over-russian-pipeline/a-47062540

Original report @ bild paywalled
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« Reply #557 on: January 14, 2019, 11:43:25 PM »
imho the U.S. bullying and belligerence is going to get a lot worse (and more hysterical than it already is) before it finally gets better and reason and respect returns to the discussion tables (but don't hold your breath.)

Response to US global bullying: Iran, India ditch dollar to continue trading oil despite sanctions

by Darius Shahtahmasebi a New Zealand-based legal and political analyst, currently specializing in immigration, refugee and humanitarian law.

Prior to Washington’s Iran-sanctions regime, Iran was India’s third largest supplier of crude oil (it is now about sixth place). It is no surprise therefore, that India’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson responded by saying that Haley had “her views, and our views on Iran are very clear.” He also warned that India would “take all necessary steps, including engagement with relevant stakeholders to ensure our energy security.”

It does seem like the days of foreign states being bullied into adopting a dangerous foreign policy are over. If Washington has any doubt about this, they need only turn to this exclusive Reuters report which revealed that India had begun paying Iran for its oil in rupees, according to a senior bank official, under the guise of a six-month waiver which was given to seven other countries (including China). According to the report, in a previous round of US-imposed sanctions, India settled approximately half of oil payments in rupees and the remainder in euros. However, this time around, all payments are to be made in rupees.

Furthermore, the agreement, worth $1.5 billion, reportedly hands Iran a tax break of $637 million. For its part, Iran will use its rupee supply to fund its imports of pharmaceuticals and other items from India, invest in Indian businesses and pay for Iranian missions and students in India.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/448791-iran-india-oil-dollar-rupee/


Ditching Russian gas will be economic suicide for Europe

“The more the US puts pressure on Europeans, the more there is a risk that Europeans try to detach themselves from the US and try to make a better deal with Russia,” Thomann, who heads Eurocontinent geopolitical research, told RT.

“We cannot abandon the import of Russian gas, this will be economic suicide. So the Americans also have a limit of their pressure capacity,” the analyst stressed.

"The matter of European energy policy must be decided in Europe, not in the US,” said German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas.

“The US ambassador seems to give the impression he is a viceroy of the Washington emperor,” top Left Party MP Fabio De Masi said, urging the White House to reprimand Grenell.

“The US ambassador using direct threats towards German companies is a new unacceptable strengthening of tone in the transatlantic relationship, which the Federal Government should protest against,” said the German foreign policy spokesman for the CDU/CSU Party Juergen Hardt.

Nord Stream 2, a joint venture of Russia’s Gazprom and five European energy majors, is currently one third complete. The €9.5 billion pipeline is projected to double capacity of Russia’s gas exports to Germany via the Baltic Sea, and is supposed to come into operation by the end of the current year.

https://www.rt.com/business/448755-nord-stream-us-economic-suicide/

How many other nations in the last half of 2018 alone have been setting up alt-deals to stop trading in US dollars? I've lost count.
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« Reply #558 on: January 16, 2019, 08:15:25 AM »
Today's Democrats outdo Republicans WRT war mongering.

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/11/as-democratic-elites-reunite-with-neocons-the-partys-voters-are-becoming-far-more-militaristic-and-pro-war-than-republicans/

Trump was the last presidential candidate to run on a platform of "Peace in our time", perhaps Tulsi can bring the party to it's senses?
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« Reply #559 on: January 16, 2019, 10:24:13 AM »
Memo justifying half a million deaths: Amanpour's husband James Rubin making the case for gutting Syria

"Overthrowing Assad would be nothing less than “transformative,”  "

"Iran would be strategically isolated ... The resulting regime in Syria will see the United States as a friend, not an enemy. ... For Israel, the rationale for a bolt from the blue attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities would be eased ... "

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/13/the-memo-that-helped-kill-a-half-million-people-in-syria/

And a much more thoughtful article by Glass in Harper's, tho he does try to absolve the best and brightest in the Obama czarship:

"In fact, there was no strategy. "

" ... they wanted to do the right thing. In Rhodes’s case, anything. “Even though I had misgivings about our Syria policy,” he wrote, “I was glad we were doing something.” "

"on the assumption that “this guy [Assad] is toast"

"Lavrov also warned Clinton that removing Assad would lead to chaos and jihadism. “They had a fair point in saying we didn’t have a plan for Syria if we got rid of Assad,” Gordon admitted. “And, to be honest, I don’t think we were ever in a position to convincingly say, ‘No, no, no, if Assad falls, it won’t be like Iraq or Afghanistan.’ ” "

"General Dempsey urged Obama to act: “Up to this point, he had argued that Syria was a slippery slope where there was little chance of success. Now he said that something needed to be done even if we didn’t know what would happen after we took action.”  "

"There was no policy. They were making it up as they went along."

" ‘Tell me how this ends.’ No one could answer with confidence that we would not wind up on a slippery slope, getting in deeper and deeper than we intended. "

"The compromise between direct military involvement and staying out was the route taken by many presidents before Obama: a covert operation to raise an insurgent army and train it in nearby countries; provide weapons, sustenance, and communications; and oversee the military campaign. It was high-risk for the locals and casualty-­free for the Americans."

" It was a recipe for failure as much as for carnage."

confirms Hersh's ratline report: "A major source of weapons for the Syrian opposition was Libya ... supply chain became public after the September 11 murder of US ambassador Christopher Stevens in the Benghazi compound ... "

" the program was benefiting religious fanatics more than any moderate, secular oppositionists."

"A state of lunacy was reached when the respective insurgent bands of the CIA’s covert and the Defense Department’s overt programs turned their American weapons on each other. "

“No one was sure it would work, but we had to do something.”

"The result of US meddling in Syria was failure on all counts ... Syrian conspiracy theorists claim the US goal was to destroy Syria, as it did Iraq, to protect Israel. Only if that were true could the United States be said to have achieved any objective."

"Trump canceled Obama’s Title 50 program that armed Syrian oppositionists in July 2017."

" I think the original sin is getting on board for supporting an armed opposition that had little prospect of actually bringing about a political transition in a more stable Syria."

 “Once we topple the regime, are the stable moderates going to come to power and govern Syria? I don’t think so. And then you’ve just got a different form of chaos that we’re responsible for.”

"Obama’s foreign policy team had advanced degrees from Harvard, Yale, and Georgetown, as well as Rhodes scholarships, and better credentials than most Fortune 500 boards, university faculties, and think tanks. They were “the best and the brightest” of our time" ... they go on to think tanks and academe to await the call to serve again."

Read the whole thing:

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/02/american-involvement-in-syria/

I wouldn't trust those "best and brightest" to organize a beer bash in a brewery.

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« Reply #560 on: January 16, 2019, 05:46:22 PM »
Trump said the US troops would leave Syria (immediately?)as Isis was defeated.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/us-troops-reportedly-among-casualties-in-isis-claimed-syria-attack.html
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US troops killed in Syria, adding new doubt about Trump’s claim that ISIS is defeated
PUBLISHED 3 HOURS AGO | UPDATED AN HOUR AGO


The blast took place at 1:00 p.m. local time after a suicide bomber in civilian clothing approached coalition forces in the center of Manbij, according to the report.
ISIS claimed responsibility in a post via its Amaq news agency but did not produce evidence in support of the claim.

An attack in the northern Syrian town of Manbij has resulted in multiple casualties including U.S. troops, a senior Kurdish security official confirmed to NBC News.

The blast took place at 1:00 p.m. local time after a suicide bomber in civilian clothing approached coalition forces in the center of Manbij, according to the report. The security official wasn’t able to confirm the number of injured or dead. A U.S. official later told Reuters that four U.S. soldiers were killed and three wounded in the blast.

ISIS claimed responsibility in a post via its Amaq news agency but did not produce evidence in support of the claim.

U.S. troops have been stationed in Manbij in support of local partners, the Syrian Democratic Forces, as part of the anti-IS coalition and as a buffer between Kurdish militias within the SDF and Turkish forces, who view the Kurdish fighters as terrorists.

The attack comes less than a month after President Donald Trump’s surprise announcement to withdraw all U.S. troops from Syria, on the premise that ISIS had been defeated.
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« Reply #561 on: January 22, 2019, 10:42:54 PM »
Lot's happening in Israel related news lately.

Iran obsession: Netanyahu's reckless gambit in Syria will only cause more chaos for the region
by John Wight

 The Netanyahu government has embarked on a policy of aggression in Syria that threatens rather than protects the security of Israel and the wider region.

In analyzing Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians close to home and repeated acts of military aggression in Syria, the words of ancient Greek general and historian Thucydides ring true: “The strong do what they can and the poor suffer what they must.”

The aforementioned quote comes from the Melian Dialogue within the Athenian’s classic work, ‘History of the Peloponnesian War’, covering the war between Athens and Sparta in 431–404 BC. It poses one of the most enduring moral questions humanity has confronted throughout its history. It is one that retains relevance today.

When it comes to Israel, more than relevant the assertion of ‘might is right’ implicit in Thucydides’ words can no longer be ignored by Western governments responsible for giving Tel Aviv license to treat international law and fundamental norms of restraint with contempt.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/449435-israel-syria-iran-strikes/
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« Reply #562 on: January 23, 2019, 08:49:33 AM »
Sjursen on Syria, USA, ISIS:


"detailed media attention on the latest bombing in Syria, which killed four Americans, is so notable. And strange ...  why the sudden interest in individual troop deaths after 17+ years of aimless war?  ... The answer ...  is simple: Donald Trump ... that’s the only reason these tragic deaths happen to matter to the mainstream media outlets and a slew of suddenly interested congressmen."

"one might think that sacrificing four more of our over-adulated-troopers would instead add urgency to Mr. Trump’s announced exit "

"In our increasingly Orwellian moment, any event in the Mideast has the same solution: more troops for ever more time."

"It all comes back to reflexive hatred of the president – any Trump policy must be foolish – and the general sunken cost fallacy. According to this absurd line of thinking, any sacrifice of American blood in Syria somehow justifies staying the course in order to honor said sacrifice. Hardly anyone pauses and takes this evaluation to its logical conclusion of literally endless war."

"What if ISIS wants the US military to stay put in Syria ..."

" ...  tie down the US military in a prolonged quagmire and then rally a coalition of Islamist hardliners and frustrated nationalists to oppose the occupation. It’s a formula that’s worked time and again – In Afghanistan, Iraq ..."

"After all, whenever a policy upsets both hawkish Republicans and Dems, it just might be the prudent path."

https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2019/01/21/syrias-sunken-cost-fallacy-not-a-reason-to-stay/

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« Reply #563 on: January 23, 2019, 10:26:57 PM »

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« Reply #564 on: January 24, 2019, 02:37:28 AM »
Sjursen on Syria, USA, ISIS:
"detailed media attention on the latest bombing in Syria, which killed four Americans, is so notable. And strange ...  why the sudden interest in individual troop deaths after 17+ years of aimless war?

Why? Because it had never happened in Syria before last week. That's why.

At least not acknowledged that US persons and US "forces" had been killed. Not sure how many "mercenaries or private contractors" under the Pay of the DoD/CIA/Off-Books Entity should have been reported to date. That's a secret obviously.
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« Reply #565 on: January 24, 2019, 10:00:26 AM »
tick, tick, tick ... are you ready?

 US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has refused to pull diplomats from Caracas, arguing the government that severed diplomatic ties with the US is not legitimate and threatening ‘appropriate actions’ if anyone is endangered.

“We call on the Venezuelan military and security forces to continue protecting the welfare and well-being of all Venezuelan citizens, as well as US and other foreign citizens in Venezuela,” Pompeo said in a statement on Wednesday evening, adding the US “will take appropriate action to hold accountable anyone who endangers the safety and security of our mission and its personnel.”

    U.S. will conduct diplomatic relations with #Venezuela through the government of interim President Guaido. U.S. does not recognize the #Maduro regime. U.S. does not consider former president Maduro to have the legal authority to break diplomatic relations. https://t.co/DBS4GiGEWIpic.twitter.com/gQZJuS1xfn
    — Secretary Pompeo (@SecPompeo) January 24, 2019

Venezuela’s President Nicolas Maduro declared all US diplomats persona non grata on Wednesday, after Washington recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as the country’s president. Guaido, however, said he wanted the US diplomats to stay, setting the stage for a potential diplomatic incident.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said the US “handpicking” of a government in Caracas perfectly illustrates the true Western sentiments toward international law, sovereignty and non-interference in internal affairs of states.

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Venezuelan army disavows self-proclaimed leader, will defend national sovereignty – defense minister 

 The Venezuelan military will not accept a president imposed by “dark interests,” Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said after Washington and a number of its allies recognized a lawmaker as the new leader in Caracas.

The army will continue to defend the constitution and national sovereignty, Padrino said on Wednesday afternoon, hours after opposition lawmaker Juan Guaido was proclaimed interim president by the National Assembly, in a direct challenge to President Nicolas Maduro.

The US quickly recognized Guaido as Venezuela’s legitimate leader, with the Organization of American States (OAS) following Washington’s lead. Canada and France have also recognized Guaido, while Mexico has declined to do so “for now.”

Maduro responded to the US announcement by cutting diplomatic ties with Washington and giving American diplomats 72 hours to leave Venezuela.
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Gosh and I wonder who was putting the pressure on Guaido to declare himself President of Venezuela? Who could it have been? Mmmmm so Russia is bad because it was alledged to be "interfering" in US politics? Ummmm. OK then.
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« Reply #567 on: January 24, 2019, 10:12:58 AM »
John Wight
 Scour the history books and you will struggle to find an act of imperialism more brazen than US President Donald Trump’s de-recognition of Nicolas Maduro as Venezuela’s president.

In a scathing denouncement of the Mexican-American War of 1846-48, famed US Civil War General (and later president) Ulysses S Grant told a reporter, “We had no claim on Mexico. Texas had no claim beyond the Nueces River, and yet we pushed on to the Rio Grande and crossed it. I am always ashamed of my country when I think of that invasion.”

The Mexican-American War was a war of plunder and conquest on the part of a US ruling class for whom every country south of the Rio Grande was then, as if by divine right, deemed subservient to Washington. From then to now the US has regarded Latin America as a wholly owned subsidiary, its primary function to serve Washington’s economic interests.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/449554-trumps-coronation-guaido-venezuela/


    Mr. Maduro will not just roll over and accept this. The question now is: who is going to be on his side and who is going to be on Mr. Guaido’s side and how ugly will things get...

“There is a great danger that this could lead to a civil war,” former US diplomat Jim Jatras told RT. “If the military splits, or the police, we could have very serious violence in this country.”

“Millions of Venezuelans rose out of poverty during the Bolivarian revolution. They are not going to accept the imposition of the US- chosen new president,” Brian Becker from the anti-war ANSWER Coalition told RT, warning that if civil war erupts it will be a “bloodbath.”

Analysts have called Trump’s recognition of the leader of the National Assembly a blatant interference into the internal affairs of a sovereign nation.

Trump recognizes US-backed head of Venezuela’s opposition Juan Guaido as country’s interim president

“There has been a project which the US government started .... to restore US influence and to promote the most right-wing governments,” Becker explained, noting that Venezuela’s pro-Washington neighbors might be used to fuel the coup in Caracas.
https://www.rt.com/news/449556-venezuela-civil-war-threat/

 US might pull regional strings to topple Maduro through military invasion – Max Blumenthal
Published time: 24 Jan, 2019

“What should be concerning is the prospect of a military invasion, possibly from Colombia – or covert action from Colombia [or] Brazil – with the US standing behind, kind of pulling the strings,” the award-winning American author and investigative journalist told RT, after US President Donald Trump and a number of Latin American government recognized Guaido's claims to power.

“I see no indication that the military will heed the calls of [US Vice President] Mike Pence,” he noted. “The military is absolutely loyal to the government of Venezuela.”

“There is also a peoples' militia that is supportive of the government, that has not been activated, and that I think would be the scenario that would provoke mass bloodshed,” Blumenthal added.

“The opposition mostly uses homemade arms. It does have some rifles, but they have not been armed the way the opposition in Syria was,” the journalist said, noting that Guaido’s followers are not ready to take on the government on their own.

For now, Blumenthal explained, Trump's recognition of Guaido fulfilled the opposition's demands, but their claim to power has not yet succeeded “beyond a symbolic level.”

https://www.rt.com/news/449560-venezuela-us-coup-blumenthal/

So who cares if there is a multi-year civil war bloodbath in Venezuela so long as the USA is in charge and is calling the shots from Washington DC. Worked a treat in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Libya and Yemen. What could go wrong when all these American 'geniuses' (sic make that Psychopaths) are in the room.
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« Reply #568 on: January 24, 2019, 04:06:43 PM »
Act of gangsterism against Venezuela: Trump, Pence, Pompeo star in the Pirates of the Caribbean
by George Galloway

 You could scour the bowels of US imperial crimes, from the Mexican-American War to the Gulf of Tonkin in Vietnam, and you won’t find a more brazen cynical act gangsterism than that which is now underway against oil-rich Venezuela.

Not since Hitler justified blitzing Poland by claiming it had encroached on the frontier into Nazi Germany has a more blatant set of falsehoods been adduced as a pretext for conflict.


https://www.rt.com/op-ed/449597-venezuela-maduro-us-trump/

Has it really come to this? I'm afraid so yes. Get used to it.
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« Reply #569 on: January 24, 2019, 05:42:18 PM »
Has it really come to this? I'm afraid so yes. Get used to it.

Same old, same old!

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

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« Reply #570 on: January 25, 2019, 11:17:29 AM »
Maduro, like Chavez, won't sellout Venezuelans oil fields to western corporate oil giants like Exxon, Shell & Halliburton that's why the terrorist states of America has levied crippling economic sanctions and embargoes on the country for 20 plus years now since Hugo Chavez.

Multiple international/USA/CIA led directed coups to kill and overthrow Chavez failed and once again who is advocating for regime change? Pompeo former CIA director. Maduro just ditched the Petro dollar just like Iran and Libya did (barely weeks before Ghadaffi was invaded by NATO) to ease the economic sanctions and that's the sole reason why Maduro's a "fully fledged dictator" now and needs to be toppled NOW. Can't wait ... the "people" are suffering terribly, ahem. 

It's next to impossible to keep up to speed when one only relies on the MSM / US Media to find out what's happening in the world and more importantly why. The kinds of Trade and Financial embargoes/barriers have been erected against Venezuela as they were against Morsi in Egypt and as they were against Chile when Allende was still in power.

They screw the people, make life impossible, some take to the streets protesting and then the US western Media circus gets going blaming it all on the current President/Government they want toppled asap. It's in the Manual folks. Seriously it is in a Manual.



Trump's admin treatment of Venezuela is further proof that the last thing Trump is a Putin/Russia stooge or a "traitor". But of course no one will say that in the US MSM who will keep saying he is and that he keeps doing things that are Pro-Russia when in fact he does not.

Weird isn't it? The everyday folk who believed this bs story will also remain dug in and make excuses that Venezuela is different and it's "friendship" with Russia and Russian/Putin support for Maduro eg recent meetings, trade deals, financial ties, and the recent flight of military jets there etc etc etc is no big deal.  That Trump still does (or wants to) do Putin's bidding. (sigh)

So much for Trump's election promise of no more Regime Change bullshit. "THEY" clearly have him by the balls now and are squeezing very very hard lately.


With Rick Sanchez : How to Stage a blatant Coup and not even worry about the whole world knowing that is exactly what you're doing. 
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« Reply #571 on: January 25, 2019, 11:33:29 AM »
— Muammar Gaddafi initiated a movement to REFUSE THE DOLLAR AND THE EURO
— On February 2006, SYRIA DROPPED THE DOLLAR as its primary hard currency.

— Jan. 4, it was reported that Pakistan was DITCHING THE DOLLAR in its trade with China, and that same day, the US placed it on the watch list for religious freedom violations.

— Iran finally switched FROM THE DOLLAR to the euro.

So why is the US meddling and wanting to cause a civil war and overthrow Maduro as Venezuelan President? BECAUSE MADURO WANTS TO DUMP THE DOLLAR!!!

The government of Venezuela has confirmed that it is ceasing the sales of its vast oil reverse in the US Dollar. The move will help the oil rich South American country dodge the unilateral SANCTIONS recently passed by the US. US sanctions and threats of military action against Venezuela have been roundly condemned by both Russia and China.

http://theduran.com/confirmed-venezuela-dumps-dollar-good/

Venezuela had began trading oil in Euros.

A similar move was made by the Iraqi government in the year 2000!

This is not news. It's not unique. These were the subject matter up for discussion betwen Putina nd Maduor when they met recently. Currency exchanges and Trade and getting aorund the bs sanctions of the US Oligarchs.

Boy and people complain about BDS against Israel? Shit BDS is amatuer night compared to what the USA has been doing and ramping up progressively though Bush, Obama and now Trump.

It's in the Manual how to proceed when someone goes against The Empire. Next comes the "terrorist" attacks/shootings on civilian protesters  which will be blamed on "Venezuelan military personal" friendly to Maduro.

As per Maidan Square, Kiev, Ukraine and of course Syria.

Like I said it is in a Manual.
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« Reply #572 on: January 25, 2019, 01:06:13 PM »
So you are saying it's all about the money and not about spreading democracy? I'm shocked! ;)

Btw, Venezuela tried to opt out of fiat money at all and made their own cryptocurrency.

Link >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_(cryptocurrency)

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« Reply #573 on: January 25, 2019, 01:19:01 PM »
So you are saying it's all about the money and not about spreading democracy? I'm shocked! ;)

Btw, Venezuela tried to opt out of fiat money at all and made their own cryptocurrency.

Link >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_(cryptocurrency)

Yes the Petro etc. but that is very problematic atm, it would only be a longer term option once other nations officially began using crypto systems. That's still a ways off. I think. I suspect besides the likes of XRP that's getting traction with many major banks only once China ticks off on crypto officially will much happen.



btw I think this is the 4th Opposition leader the US has backed in to take over. 4th time lucky maybe.
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« Reply #574 on: January 25, 2019, 04:56:16 PM »
Congresswoman who fixed Democratic primary for Clinton now ‘fixing’ democracy in Venezuela

Wasserman Schultz may hold a personal grudge against Putin. She had to resign as the Chair of the Democratic National Committee after leaked documents revealed how it was playing on the side of Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders in 2016. The leak is widely attributed to Russia by American politicians and media.

The irony of Wasserman Schultz now being on the frontline of bringing democracy to Venezuela didn’t go unnoticed by Jill Stein, the head of the Green Party.

    Incredible: a video about bringing democracy to Venezuela, starring the person who rigged the 2016 DNC primary & ripped off millions of American voters. Hey Debbie Wasserman Schultz, how about you fix elections in Broward County, Florida before trying to "help" other countries? https://t.co/Yep6QhWIw5
    — Dr. Jill Stein🌻 (@DrJillStein) January 25, 2019

Stein is one of a handful of American politicians, who has publicly rejected American interference in Venezuela, saying it would be a greed-motivated disaster similar to those the US brought to Libya, Syria, Yemen, Honduras and Ukraine.

    The Democrats are backing Trump on regime change in Venezuela, just like they backed disasters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria, Ukraine & Yemen. When it comes to regime change, the two parties of War & Wall Street are still marching in lockstep. https://t.co/Yep6QhWIw5
    — Dr. Jill Stein🌻 (@DrJillStein) January 25, 2019

But who cares? Americans were told already that Stein is just a Putin tool stealing votes from Clinton and working for RT. Those were smears, but ‘alternative facts’ are not an invention of the Trump administration.

Opposing Washington’s regime change is a dangerous cause. Say a word of doubt, and you’ll find yourself in a virtual concentration camp for Putin puppets, Assad apologists and Maduro mouthpieces.

    Yesterday, @RoKhanna became the first (and I believe only) member of Congress to question the wisdom of Trump's decree of who rules Venezuela, so he's instantly smeared as - you'll never guess - a Russian asset by CNN contributor @michaeldweiss. Don't call it McCarthyism! pic.twitter.com/TAPxb4kZ3d
    — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 24, 2019

    Oh my god, it's the retweet police! Politicians must only ever retweet guys like Casey, who works for a fake "progressive" think tank funded by Gulf dictatorships and Walmart https://t.co/0p91gfKyds
    — Michael Tracey (@mtracey) January 24, 2019

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/449686-debbie-schultz-fixing-venezuela/
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« Reply #575 on: January 26, 2019, 05:54:55 AM »
In the name of democracy shouldn't the US Congress demand another election to decide who is the elected President of Venezuela?


Of course they'll need to wait until the shutdown is over before their in chamber votes can be properly tabulated. 8)
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« Reply #576 on: January 26, 2019, 06:35:38 AM »
Not The Onion:

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The Trump administration has announced that Elliott Abrams, who was convicted over the Iran-Contra scandal in which the Ronald Reagan administration secretly funded paramilitary groups in Nicaragua, will lead the US’s efforts to press for democracy in Venezuela.

Link >> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/venezuela-latest-elliott-abrams-trump-pompeo-maduro-juan-guaido-a8747306.html

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« Reply #577 on: January 26, 2019, 10:56:14 AM »
"....... will lead the US’s efforts to press for democracy in Venezuela."

ROFL every picture tells a story. ;)

... core members of the PNAC including Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Elliot Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, Robert Zoellick, and ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

They're all Psychos these fellows. And I am not kidding I really really mean it. Bat shit crazy psychopaths. Should all be locked up imho.

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« Reply #578 on: January 26, 2019, 11:53:47 AM »
I know Lurk, right?  :-\

Let that sink in, they try to overthrow an elected president and replace them with a dude even most Venezualians don't know 'in the name of democracy'.

And no one tars and feathers them...

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« Reply #579 on: January 26, 2019, 08:19:27 PM »
Not that long ago we had a discussion somewhere on this forum about whether the Monroe Doctrine was still alive and well and living in the White House. Now we know. It is being well-fed and is likely to gorge on Venezeula.

Meanwhile, a bit of history.

Back in the day Venezeula woke up to the vast amount of oil on which it was sitting.
The 100 or 200 or so rich families who used to run the joint sucked in all the loot and the poor got - nothing. Indeed, there was evidence that the condition of the poor continued to decline.

Unrest ensued, and in 1999 Hugo Chavez was swept to power in an election, promising goodies for the poor.

It worked, briefly. Trouble was, corruption flourished gain, he spent the oil money once, spent it twice, and then borrowed loads of money from international financial institutions who should have known better.

Maduro has continued this stupidity to the extent that the State Oil company cannot maintain the oil extraction infrastructure.

Looks to me like a lose-lose situation as the US with a reluctant Europe, Russia and China use other peoples' misery as a pawn in "The Great Game".

What to do?
Leave them to it?
Interfere?
What will win? Greed, stupidity, or both?

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« Reply #580 on: January 26, 2019, 09:16:22 PM »
From the "I'll believe it when i see it" department: Taliban claims foreign devils agree to be gone in 18 months

https://taskandpurpose.com/afghanistan-withdrawal-taliban-peace-talks

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« Reply #581 on: January 26, 2019, 10:11:59 PM »
Monroe resurgent: Venezuela needs liberating, lapdogs of empire agree

Maduro:  “Don’t trust the gringos. They don’t have friends or loyalties. They only have interests, guts, and the ambition to take Venezuela’s oil, gas, and gold.”

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/24/trump-backs-overthrow-venezuelan-president-recognizes-right-wing-opposition-figure

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-47014322

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« Reply #582 on: January 27, 2019, 03:59:35 AM »
Not that long ago we had a discussion somewhere on this forum about whether the Monroe Doctrine was still alive and well and living in the White House. Now we know. It is being well-fed and is likely to gorge on Venezuela.

Meanwhile, a bit of history.

Back in the day Venezuela woke up to the vast amount of oil on which it was sitting.
The 100 or 200 or so rich families who used to run the joint sucked in all the loot and the poor got - nothing. Indeed, there was evidence that the condition of the poor continued to decline.

Unrest ensued, and in 1999 Hugo Chavez was swept to power in an election, promising goodies for the poor.

It worked, briefly. Trouble was, corruption flourished gain, he spent the oil money once, spent it twice, and then borrowed loads of money from international financial institutions who should have known better.

Maduro has continued this stupidity to the extent that the State Oil company cannot maintain the oil extraction infrastructure.

Looks to me like a lose-lose situation as the US with a reluctant Europe, Russia and China use other peoples' misery as a pawn in "The Great Game".

What to do?
Leave them to it?
Interfere?
What will win? Greed, stupidity, or both?

Leave them to it? Interfere? That IS the very problem - the interference has been going non-stop since Chavez was elected. Who by? The power brokers in the USA (TPTB) using every possible pressure they can to up the ante with their interference by leaning on allies and any nation that might be supportive of Venezuela Government, of Chavez and of course now Maduro.

Why would the US care? Well for one it;s the assistance given by CHINA .... anything that can screw up Venezuela means the CHINESE can't get their money back. They lose, the USA wins.

People in the west are never being informed of what exactly it is the USA and it's cohorts have been doing to Venezuela. You never ever hear about it - the only thing that gets pushed is how it's an evil socialist regime, a dictatorship, not democratic, and economic disaster, more proof that "socialism" doesn't work but they do not tlel you what has been done to totally screw their economy into the ground. Everything that could have been done to cut exports of Venezuela crude has been done and everything possible to stop them from getting the imports of materials and equipment to keep it running properly.

NO nation can maintain an economy that has been under attack by the USA for more than a decade, two decades in fact!

Copy from SEPT 2018

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Merida, September 17, 2018 (venezuelanalysis.com) – Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro returned to Caracas Monday upon concluding a four-day visit to the People’s Republic of China, which saw the two countries sign twenty-eight bilateral agreements, including a new US $5 billion Chinese loan and joint plans for a fourth satellite, in addition to strengthening political ties.

The visit to China was the fourth by Maduro since taking office in 2013, and included top-level meetings with Chinese President Xi Jinping, the State Council’s Investigations Centre, the National Assembly, as well as a tour of late PRC founder Mao Zedong’s mausoleum.

The trip comes as Caracas faces a hostile international environment with mounting pressure from neighboring right-wing governments, talk of a US “military intervention,” as well as the continuing economic impact from US-led financial sanctions against the country.

Speaking from Beijing, Maduro qualified the visit as “a great success” and expressed that he was “very optimistic” about its results. [...]

Maduro has recently looked to strengthen relations with Asian, European, and Middle Eastern partners to secure fresh credit lines for Venezuela’s beleaguered economy amid a US-sponsored financial embargo that prohibits US firms from lending.

“I have had to overcome economic sanction measures by the US and Europe, who persecute Venezuelan bank accounts, kidnap billions of dollars in international accounts and block commerce,” Maduro told Chinese state TV.

US $5bn for oil industry

Amongst the announcements was a new US $5 billion loan to boost Venezuela’s oil industry, which has suffered from falling production, international court action, and a wide reaching anti-corruption probe.

The new loan reaffirms China as Venezuela’s main creditor and follows on the heels of a previous pledge of financial assistance by the Chinese Development Bank in July. [...]

As part of the agreements, Venezuela’s state-run oil firm PDVSA will cede 9.9 percent of its shares in the mixed Venezuelan-Chinese oil firm SINOVENSA to the Chinese state-owned National Petroleum Consortium (CNPC), which previously owned 40 percent of the company. SINOVENSA produces 130,000 barrels of oil a day in the Orinoco Oil Belt.

Despite being signed between two state-owned oil giants, the agreement has once again provoked concerns from some analysts that Caracas is undertaking a “privatisation” of the country’s petroleum industry.

[ See? They can't win can they - nationalized oil industry system is bad, privatised international conglomerates from Russia and China also bad ]

New Silk Road project

In other announcements, Venezuela will now join China’s ambitious New Silk Road commercial plan which is allegedly worth US $900 billion.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14056


As is typical of the USA they do not care less about "democracy and freedom" all they care about is pushing their own economic interests and curtailing the opportunities of nations like China and Russia they "deem" as economic threats to their Global Hegemony.  Brazil was another threat .. (part of BRICS) look what happened there in the political realm the last few years? This is how they implement their control at any cost.

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Though China is Venezuela's top lender, Russia has also been a long-standing ally of Maduro and his predecessor Hugo Chavez with business ranging from oil and loans to military hardware.

Of late, Moscow has become Venezuela’s lender of last resort, with the government and Rosneft handing Venezuela at least $17 billion in loans and credit lines since 2006, according to Reuters calculations.

Below is data on Russia's involvement with Venezuela.
Sovereign debt

In November 2017, Russia agreed to restructure Venezuelan sovereign debt of $3.15 billion, with repayments lasting 10 years.

Russia and Venezuela have a joint venture bank, Evrofinance Mosnarbank, Russia's 91th biggest by assets. The Venezuelan National Development Fund (Fonden) controls a 49.99 percent stake in the bank.

Russia's Gazprombank, where the state-controlled gas producer Gazprom is a shareholder, and the state bank VTB each own a 25 percent stake in Evrofinance.

Rosneft, Russia's biggest oil producer and one of the largest globally, operates in Venezuela and has also issued loans to PDVSA, backed by oil supplies.

According to Rosneft, PDVSA paid $500 million debt during the third quarter of last year, with the outstanding obligations standing at $3.1 billion then.

Rosneft also holds a 49.9 percent stake in U.S. refiner Citgo for a 2016 loan of about $1.5 billion. The remaining 50.1 percent stake is being held by PDVSA but is collateralized under the 2020 bond issue.

Reuters reported in 2017 that Rosneft was in talks with PDVSA to swap its Citgo collateral for oilfield stakes and a fuel supply deal.
Russian oil companies

Rosneft, whose chief executive Igor Sechin is a frequent visitor to Venezuela, has stakes in a number of oil projects in the country. Total oil production from those projects was 8 million tons in 2017, or 161,000 barrels per day.

Rosneft is involved in the following projects:

- Junin 6: PDVSA holds a 60 percent stake, the rest is controlled by a joint venture of Rosneft and Gazpromneft, the oil arm of Gazprom. Rosneft holds 80 percent in that JV, Gazpromneft controls 20 percent.

- Petromonagas: Rosneft owns 40 percent.

- Petroperija: Rosneft owns 40 percent.

- Petrovictoria: Rosneft owns 40 percent.

- Petromiranda: Rosneft owns 32 percent.

- Boqueron: Rosneft owns 26.67 percent.


Military

The first credit line for gun purchases was signed in Moscow in 2006 by Chavez and Russian leader Vladimir Putin. Since then, similar agreements have allowed Venezuela to buy Kalashnikov rifles, Sukhoi planes, tanks and other military equipment.

Last month, the Nezavisimaya daily newspaper cited unnamed sources saying Russia wanted to deploy strategic aircraft at a Venezuelan airbase in the Caribbean Sea south-east of the United States.

In December last year, two Russian strategic bomber aircraft capable of carrying nuclear weapons landed in Venezuela.

 https://themoscowtimes.com/news/guns-oil-and-loans-whats-at-stake-for-russia-venezuela-64284

Isn't it obvious what's been going in Venezuela for years now and why it is the nation is in economic and political turmoil is because of sanctions, trade embargoes upon Venezuela by the USA and it's Client States.

No one is allowed to trade, do financial deals, obtain long term loans, purchase military equipment or arms or have co-investments with Russia or China. Especially in Oil and Gas.

It's not a question of whether to interfere or not ... that is the status quo already.
That's why Venezuela is a basket case to begin with. Had the USA dealt with Venezuela fairly and equitably their economy would be BOOMING and there would be no protests going on at all and people would not be starving there!!!

This is so obvious but the marketing system via the western media makes it seem it never happened that way.

The ONLY DICTATOR involved in Venezuela since Chavez was elected has been the United States of America .... DICTATING what US citizens, corporations and other nations and their Corporations and Banks cannot do in Venezuela.

It's all in the Manual ... it's USA Corporate Empire Control:101
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« Reply #583 on: January 29, 2019, 12:57:21 AM »
Summary on Venezuela by Jimmy, Mike Prysner and Abby Martin 25 mins

Includes old footage of Trump saying the US should have demanded 50% of Libya's Oil for the expenses and help in getting rid of Qaddafi. The Libyans the protesters would have loved the US for doing this and agreed to pay.

Abby Martin :
"What's really happening is a US-backed coup, an illegal criminal coup, imposed by the Trump
administration and this is absolutely proven to be a fact dressed in constitutional garb, they're using the Constitution. These are the same people who just tried to blow up Maduro on stage during a live televised press conference (address) just weeks ago."


Abby & Jimmy:
  "So they're doing it again. It's pretty disturbing. Just because Russia-backed Maduro! Even the New York Times had the audacity to Gaslight us and say: 'Russia alleges that this is a US-backed coup.' It's like, no, that's the reality. This is not a Russian talking point.

  "My whole thing is I thought they they've convinced me that Trump is a Russian puppet. So Trump is FOR the overthrow and Russia's AGAINST it! How could he be a puppet? What? So either way you're a Russian on this one, either way. If you're going with Trump you're a Putin Puppet because he's a Putin Puppet. If you go with Russia you're a Russia Puppet.

  "You're right but this is this is um that is what's going on. This is what's happening okay. This is another siege of an oil-rich nation that the Neoliberal establishment wanted to take over. That's it."

@11:00 "Yeah and I did want to say one more thing about the journalists claim that journalists are being jailed. I mean we investigated that ourselves actually there's video on Empire Files about it ..... So if people are concerned about press freedom in Venezuela you got to be very wary of the opposition here."



@13:00
"And if people are concerned about democracy in Venezuela you should be supporting the fact that they have free and fair elections that have been validated by hundreds of international observers. It was the opposition that asked the UN to not come and observe the elections because they we're working with Trump. Trump (The US establishment Regime) begged the opposition to not run because then, when you don't run in the elections, then you can discredit them and say 'Look we can't run in the elections and Maduro just ran unopposed and he's a dictator.'

That didn't work because an opposition member actually ended up running. So Trump (the US establishment Regime)  tried to re-strategize here. Now we have to look at this in the context of obviously the U.S.'s role in regime change in Venezuela for a long time.

Obama exacerbated that he called Venezuela a unique national security threat and 2015 slapped I think six or seven sanctions on them. Trump on the other hand is reinstalling the Monroe Doctrine from the Reagan era. I mean Trump just appointed Elliott Abrams (PNAC founding Neocon) this is the guy who oversaw death squads in El Salvador & Nicaragua (Iran Contra Affair - GHW Bush I pardoned him)

Trump slaps 63 new sanctions on Venezuela. John Bolton's rhetoric about 'the trick of
tyranny' and then we've come to find out in Corporate media that Washington Post (Besos owned) just wrote an article basically laying out first of all Gaslight - you know so it's not a coup it's it's democratic and constitutional - but then in the same article they talk about how Trump's cabinet tried to first they try to do this they try to convince the Venezuelan people that Maduro wasn't legitimate

When that didn't work they were just waiting for someone like Juan Guaido to carry out the final stages of the coup. It's actually laid out in the Washington Post it's very fascinating how they just admitted it - and you know we already know that they would not have done this without the green light from Trump (the US establishment Regime) because they need the legitimacy and backing of the US government and it's proxy regime change fronts the Organization of American States the Lima Group - all of those entities to really carry this out."



@15:26 Jimmy:
"So if you're if you were wondering what's happening in Venezuela you're being hood winked again by the (Neocons) the Neoliberals and the Bankers and people like this [points to Trump] who think it's our right to go into a sovereign country and steal their natural resources [and/or to exclude their resources & exports from global markets - like with China, Russia, Iran] as long as we make a deal with some of the people there. So that's what's, that's what's happening, and so please stop watching MSNBC and CNN if you want to know what's going on about this stuff."



In Caracas:
"Right now Juan Guaido is speaking in the east of the city among supporters. Called once again calling on the military to overthrow Maduro as well as making other announcements. Meanwhile
life continues as normal in most parts of the city. Businesses are open, people are buying things, people are going about their business without any real interruptions although, you know as
if nothing had happened the past three days despite the violence that we've seen the past few nights."




Who could know outside of Venezuela what might be going on there.
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Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« Reply #584 on: January 29, 2019, 02:59:54 AM »
Jimmy Dore gets really passionate about what is being done to the Venezuelan people, again. No time to edit, but it's worth posting this 'rant' in full. It's the hard truth of it. People really need to consider why it is next to nothing is being done about Climate Change in the USA. It's because this is the reality of who runs the nation for decades now - it's not The People that's for sure.

@15:56 https://youtu.be/VMplqEpfGhs?t=956

You should watch CNN MSNBC if you want to find out what the latest smears are on Progressives that's what you go to MSNBC and CNN. And I also want to say to people, this keeps coming up with all these things.

Like I remember Libya they go
16:09
first of all I remember Iraq they go all
16:11
Saddam's a bad guy he's got rape rooms
16:14
he's got so weak he's a bad guy so you can't
16:16
say he's not so if he's a bad guy we
16:18
were supposed to go in Qaddafi Qaddafi
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the bad guy he's suppressing his people
16:23
of women can't Dublin we got to go in
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Assad Assad's a bad guy he's got you got
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admit he's a bad guy right he's a bad guy
16:31
Putin Putin's a bad guy this this is the
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argument that people whenever you're
16:35
convinced by Western media that another
16:38
leader of another country is a bad guy
16:40
be fucking suspicious of that because
16:42
the worst guy in the world is whoever's
16:43
running our country okay

16:46
the worst guy in the fucking world
they
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go I've had people say well look Putin
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kills the journalist he doesn't like him
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now who's being naive Kay we'll go we
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did to Chelsea Manning we torture in
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public everyone knew was happening
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everyone knew that Barack Obama was
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torturing Chelsea Manning and no one
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gave a fucking shit about it
and what
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did Chelsea Manning do
17:07
revealed war crimes of our goddamn
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government that's the punishment you get
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for that
so this idea that there's a bet
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that somehow someone's a good guy or a
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bad guy leader of a country that that
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makes a bit of a fucking difference
17:20
about what I'm supposed to think about
17:22
what we're supposed to do at that
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country you've been propagandized if you
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if you hear yourself saying shit like that

17:29
Oh Putin's not a good guy Putin's a bad
17:31
Putin's a thug, Assad's a bad guy
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besides a thug, oh but Maduro is a bad
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guy  it's a you've been propagandized
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cuz there's never a bigger fucking dick
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in the world than whoever is running this
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goddamn country at any given moment

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the biggest terrorist program in the world
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is our fucking drone program okay

17:49
we just set the middle-east on fucking
17:51
fire
but you know guys like there's lots
17:56
of guys out there I'll tell you that
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other people are worse than us so anyway
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I just wanted to clear that up yeah well


Graham Elwood ... the other thing do that's is so
18:05
hilarious wow this bad guy well Pinochet
18:07
was a bad guy who we put in power the
18:09
Shah of Iran like this is all we've ever
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done
is gone Oh democratically elected
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government doesn't want to give us their
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resources oh there's gonna be a fucking
18:16
CIA coup you're out and the person we
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put in there is always worse
yeah forget
18:23
that we're talking about all the bad
18:24
guys like un-fucking-believable what we've done

JIMMY: always were always worse no matter
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when we intervene yeah so go ahead

Mike Prysner Rant - a lesson in HISTORY:
-- yeah and I do want to say that it's you know
18:33
like you have we have to respect the
18:36
right of the Venezuelan people to choose
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who their leader is that's exactly right
18:39
and it's not for us to judge I mean to
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be in America the imperialist core of
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the world
and to say a developing
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country that's been ravaged by
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colonialism for hundreds of years that
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the guy they picked is the wrong guy
18:49
like we don't know we're not there we're
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not actually part of their day to day
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democracy but that's the thing with
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Maduro
to where it is true that even
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when the Iraq war was starting that's a
18:56
trap they try to get you in if they were
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any interview on mainstream media the
18:59
first question would they ask was well
19:00
you know Saddam's bad right and then
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even if you're against the war we have
19:02
to say well yeah he's bad but we
19:04
shouldn't do this and then the argument
19:05
becomes about well what do you do so it
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was right then to just flatly reject
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that and say I'm not gonna say that's up
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for Iraq to decide if he's bad or good
19:13
it's not up to me but here with Maduro
19:14
it's it is a little different because
19:16
Maduro does have a much larger base of
19:19
support than any of these other people
19:20
that we mentioned in the Middle East did
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do have a much richer and more
19:23
flourishing democracy than any of these
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other countries and is actually a
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extremely progressive guy you know like
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a wanting the things that like Bernie
19:30
Sanders like are fighting for like a
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healthcare for all education for all
19:33
these are the ideas and the programs of
19:35
this government
but the important thing
19:37
to remember is that Maduro is like not a
19:39
figure like Chavez who's just it's all
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it's like about him right where it's
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like he's this hero and like it's it's
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he's making all the decisions with a
19:47
small cabal I mean the democracy that we
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witness in Venezuela Maduro is a
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figurehead that was selected by a mass
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movement that's incredibly politically
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active
like if you drive around
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Venezuela everywhere you go in Chavistas to
20:00
areas right so in the countryside and in
20:01
the cities you
20:02
like a mass meeting of like 200 people
20:04
like under an overpass having a
20:07
political meeting debating what changes
20:09
are gonna put into the economy I mean to
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see democracy at a grassroots level we
20:13
can't just look at Maduro making bad
20:14
decisions as this guy the entire country
20:16
that wants to be involved in
20:18
decision-making is involved in
20:19
decision-making debating it how it's
20:21
going to be executed and actually
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carrying it out
so that kind of when you
20:24
say Maduro is bad but we shouldn't in
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overthrow the country you you're talking
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about millions of people that are
20:30
involved in this political process
20:31
you're not just talking about Maduro
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you're talking about a mass movement of
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poor people predominantly poor people
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indigenous afro Venezuelan people that's
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what you that's who you're saying is bad
20:40
when you say Maduro is bad
and so that's
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what the opposition means also and the
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opposition says Maduro has to go
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they don't just mean Maduro has to go
20:47
they don't even just mean Maduro in his
20:48
cabinet has to go they mean that they
20:50
want to disappear from the political map
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these MILLIONS of people WHO SUPPORT
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Maduro and support the Bolivarian
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revolution that's who they want to push
20:58
away and THAT IS FASCISM
to say that the
21:00
most popular largest political force in
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the country that CHAVISTA movement
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which say Maduro only has thirty percent
21:07
of the support in the country there's
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not a single party or individual that
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has 30 percent of support in the country
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that's a large number - millions
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and millions of people that is
21:16
unparalleled in the entire country
and
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so that's why the very dangerous thing
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here that people have to worry about is
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if this coup actually goes through the
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US uses whatever kind of military action
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whether it's through its fascist
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collaborators in Colombia Brazil to do
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it whether it's their own military the
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only way that they can actually hold
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power and take it away from this mass
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movement of people you know millions and
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millions of people is through imposing
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like a FASCIST EL Dictatorship like we
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saw under Pinochet in Chile
they can't
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rule by another way cuz they're the
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minority they're hated I mean THEY ARE
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HATED much more than supposedly Maduro is

21:46

ABBY MARTIN: and one last comment is that
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before Chavez the reason why Chavez WON
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with such you know rambunctious support
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and millions of people behind him in the
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streets and caused this revolution in
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the first place is because the regime
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that was installed before Chavez
this
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U.S.. puppet regime ruff Raphael Caldera
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I think there were thousands of people
22:04
being massacred in the street inflation
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was already the highest in Latin America
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unemployment was through the roof and
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ABJECT POVERTY WAS ABYSMAL and so you
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look at you know people are using those arguments
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now which is quite funny because that's
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literally how it was when the U.S.
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puppet was in there before


Compare, Compare, Compare.

Rectify Your Conditioning Folks (if you haven't already done so) if you really care about resolving the barriers to taking action on Climate Change for the future. The #1 Barrier is the U.S. establishment Regime (with or without Trump at the helm.)
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Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« Reply #585 on: January 29, 2019, 03:16:31 AM »
Side bar: I am not posting the above because I am gullible or have been "influenced" by the speakers and naively "believe" what they are saying is true.

I KNOW what they are saying is true because I already knew the History of Venezuela well enough to know they are speaking the truth of it. I also know the history of all the other Colonialist countries of South America have the same kind of History.

I have not forgotten what I know. I do not rely on the MSM as my ONLY source to get my knowledge from. That's why I posted the above - because I think they cover it better than I could and they have researched it and been there on the ground.  I trust what they say because not only do they have similar values to my own but I can see first hand they know stuff that I also knew. They are not lying nor are they spinning it or cherry picking only those things that fit their world views. That's what the MSM is for and does most successfully especially now that ELITE has infiltrated Social media so effectively due tot heir unbridled wealth to manipulate that COMMUNICATION SHARING SYSTEM as well.

ABBY MARTIN HAS THE LAST WORD

https://youtu.be/VMplqEpfGhs?t=1349

22:29 Obviously there's a
crisis the problem is you are only
22:33
hearing one side of what is going on and
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there is an entire other side that
22:37
millions of Venezuelans will tell you
22:38
themselves that there was an economic
22:40
war being perpetrated by the US
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government and the oligarchs in the
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country that are exacerbating the crisis
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much more than it has to be and that's
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why you see you know anyone who's honest
22:50
about Venezuela will will be honest
22:51
about the fact that there's not just
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some general shortage of food where
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people are digging through trash eating
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there's a general shortage of certain
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products and when you understand who's
23:00
who who's you know producing those
23:02
products it becomes a little bit more
23:03
clear that it's a more complicated than
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what the corporate media is painting
so
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I just encourage people again that UN
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guy who went and investigated the claims
23:12
himself he said there is no humanitarian
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crisis not to say there isn't a crisis
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but there's no mass starvation it's a
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crisis that's blown out of proportion to
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foment this kind of international
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outreach and that's the truth and we
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were there with our own eyes and my
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question is CNN goes there they saw what
23:31
we saw
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why the fuck are they lying about this

23:34

JIMMY: "Why do you think?"

ABBY: "Because they are an ELITIST MEDIA protecting their own Class"

Can I recommend if you still disbelieve that last comment, please go read the Manufacturing Consent thread or borrow the book?
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Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« Reply #586 on: January 29, 2019, 04:18:56 AM »
"And they say Alex Jones is crazy!" (sigh)

RT reporter 3:00
"Evidently there's you know a sense of
rejection and confusion of how this
previously unknown figure who was just
elected by the National Assembly on the
5th of January and was unknown to the
country beforehand
, who won 97,000 votes in 2015
but has not otherwise won an election is now the
President of the country."



06:03 "........ a data analysis
which is an opposition online pollster
released a poll in October which show
that the the National Assembly who is
now headed by Juan Guaido
has a 70%
disapproval rating. Opposition
parties have disapproval ratings of up
to 80% -- so the majority of the Venezuelan
public may reject Maduro but they equally
reject a largely ineffectual U.S.-backed
Opposition leadership which they not only
perceive is incapable of really bringing
about real change but not actually having
their interests at heart
given that most
of these leaders are you know as one way
though educated in Elite U.S. Universities
Juan Guaido (attended) George Washington
University
also study at a US Neoliberal Think
Tank
when in the home of the "Chicago Boys" --
that these are the people are not they
have not been to the Barios, they have
not they're not in touch with people's
ordinary problems
and that's why this
same poll show that 86% of Venezuelans
say that the number one issue is either the
economy or social issues like crime, access
to social services - so this is,  the issue is not
necessarily overthrowing the Government
because they don't view that as resolving
those issues
though definitely there is
immense discontent dissatisfaction with the
leadership of Nicolas Maduro
"




Definitely there is immense discontent dissatisfaction with the leadership of Donald Trump.

Definitely there is immense discontent dissatisfaction with the leadership of Theresa May.

Definitely there is immense discontent dissatisfaction with the leadership of Emmanuel Macron.

Definitely there is immense discontent dissatisfaction with the leadership of Angela Merkel.

Definitely there is immense discontent dissatisfaction with the leadership of Justin Trudeau.

Definitely there is immense discontent dissatisfaction with the leadership of Scott Morrison.

Definitely there was immense discontent dissatisfaction with the leadership and Government of
Ex-Prime Minister Najib Razak whose Government Party lost the last election in Malayasia - after being in control for 60 years. Voted out in a 2018 election and then Razak was subsequently arrested and charged for Fraud, Theft and Embezzlement no less.

There's no Coup de tête happening in any of those nations - even with a Corrupt Government in power and an Idiot like Donald Trump as President.

So what makes Venezuela oh so so special?
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Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« Reply #588 on: January 29, 2019, 06:52:23 AM »
Victory into Defeat: Astore at tomdispatch on losing wars

" “We don’t win [wars] anymore,” said candidate Donald Trump in 2016 and he wasn’t wrong about that. "

"What’s made America’s leaders, civilian and military, quite so proficient when it comes to turning victories into defeats? And what does that tell us about them and their wars? "

" ... for so many in the Pentagon high command, it’s perfectly acceptable for Americans to face a “generational struggle” in Afghanistan (and elsewhere) ..."

" ...  according to them, often in testimony before Congress, whether in Iraq, Afghanistan, or elsewhere, that military is always making progress. Victory, so they claim, is invariably around the next corner, which they’re constantly turning or getting ready to turn."

I think the answer to Astore's question in the second quote is very simple and very venal: war makes money for the warmongers. The generals Astore excoriates are or will soon be very rich men and women as they move into the war industry. War is their business, and business is good. The costs of war, the deaths, the maiming, the rape, the loot, the starvation, the homeless are external costs, not borne by the warmongers. 

Read it anyway:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176520/tomgram%3A_william_astore%2C_turning_victory_into_defeat/

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« Reply #589 on: January 29, 2019, 08:30:35 PM »
Taliban-USA peace deal doubts on human rights: From America's Finest News Source

"we do have lingering concerns about whether human rights will be respected "

https://www.theonion.com/taliban-agrees-to-peace-deal-despite-concerns-about-ame-1832133149

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« Reply #590 on: January 29, 2019, 08:46:15 PM »
How the sausage is made: Blumenthal and Cohen at mintpress on the mechanics of regime change

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuela-coup-leader/254387/

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« Reply #591 on: January 30, 2019, 01:30:20 AM »
How the sausage is made: Blumenthal and Cohen at mintpress on the mechanics of regime change

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuela-coup-leader/254387/

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Worth reading. Why isn't journalism like this front page news of the NYTs? Doh!
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« Reply #592 on: January 30, 2019, 04:17:24 AM »
George Galloway

The bank's decision to seize – a polite word for steal – more than a billion dollars' worth of Venezuelan gold was reported to have been ordered by the governor after a call from US National Security Advisor John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo – not even the president himself.

Read more
Bank of England refused to return $1.2bn in gold to Venezuela –  reports

If I'm right, then this decision to damage – hopefully irreparably – the safety of deposits in the Bank of England was taken by an unelected, unaccountable Canadian citizen (who only got his British citizenship in November).

He is here today but gone tomorrow as the governor of the Bank of England. The foreign policy of the state – whose bank it is – was thus at least anticipated if not usurped by Bolton, a minor official of a foreign country. [...]

All the carefully tended gardens of NGOs, "independent journalists," and experts all flooded forward with their long-husbanded narratives about the perfidy of the Chavez revolution in Venezuela. They did universally suffer two disadvantages however: none of them could even pronounce the name of the man in a street in Caracas whose self-proclaimed presidency they were recognizing. And none of them appeared to know that the US had been imposing a medieval siege of sanctions, sabotage and subversion against Venezuela. At least none of them mentioned it.

None of them, like in every other foreign regime-change operation they'd pushed for, had the remotest idea of what would happen in Venezuela if they succeeded, not least how the many millions of armed Chavez supporters might take to their government being overthrown by foreigners. It is hard to work out whether these journalists and politicians demanding civil war on the world's biggest oil-fields are criminally insane, just criminals, or whether they can plead diminished responsibility on the grounds they didn't actually know what had already happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, etc.

The demonization of Venezuela across even those Western countries which scarcely have functioning governments themselves has been a tidal wave.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/450061-venezuela-gold-bank-england/
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« Reply #593 on: January 30, 2019, 05:07:27 AM »
How the sausage is made: Blumenthal and Cohen at mintpress on the mechanics of regime change

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuela-coup-leader/254387/

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Wow!
What an uninspiring ass. ::)


Stringing steel wires across highways to decapitate unsuspecting motorcyclists is a form of non-violent protest that certainly deserves to be rewarded by the North American Democracies and England?


The Right Wing Koch Suckers, not content with crippling Venezuela's economy, anoint their blood stained puppet as the President, even though he's unknown to most Venezuelans, and is feared and reviled most that do recognize his name (unlike Secretary of State Pompano, who didn't even bother to learn the name of his chosen thug.)


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« Reply #594 on: January 30, 2019, 09:27:04 AM »
How the sausage is made: tomdispatch on the revolving door between Ministry of War and Industry of War

"Patrick Shanahan, who spent 30 years at Boeing, the Pentagon’s second largest contractor, as the Trump administration’s acting secretary of defense."

"William Lynn, President Obama’s first deputy secretary of defense, had been a Raytheon lobbyist. Ashton Carter, his successor, was a consultant for the same company. One of President George W. Bush’s deputies, Gordon England, had been president of the General Dynamics Fort Worth Aircraft Company (later sold to Lockheed Martin)."

"Charlie Wilson, head of General Motors, whom President Dwight Eisenhower appointed to lead the Department of Defense (DoD) more than 60 years ago, and John F. Kennedy’s first defense secretary, Robert McNamara, who ran the Ford Motor Company before joining the administration."

Now that I think about it Charlie Wilson is a recurring name. There was

wikipedia:

"Charles Erwin Wilson should not be confused with Charles Edward Wilson, who was the CEO of General Electric and served President Truman as the head of the Office of Defense Mobilization."

and then there was

Charles Nesbitt Wilson who engineered the afghanistan thing in the 80's for Zbig and his motley warmongering crew:

wikipedia:

"leading Congress into supporting Operation Cyclone, the largest-ever Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) covert operation, which, under the Carter and Reagan administration, supplied military equipment including weapons such as obsolete FIM-43 Redeye MANPADS surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles and paramilitary officers from their Special Activities Division to the Afghan Mujahideen during the Soviet–Afghan War. "

But, nyhoo, back to tomdispatch:

"State Department Acting Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs Charles Faulkner, a former lobbyist for Raytheon, advocated giving Saudi Arabia a clean bill of health on its efforts to avoid hitting civilians in its air strikes in Yemen, lest Raytheon lose a lucrative bomb deal."

"Secretary of the Air Force Heather Wilson is a former lobbyist for Lockheed Martin. Ellen Lord, who heads procurement at the Pentagon, worked at Textron, a producer of bombs and military helicopters. Secretary of the Army Mark Esper -- rumored as a possible replacement for Shanahan as secretary of defense -- was once a top lobbyist at Raytheon. Undersecretary of Defense for Policy John Rood was a senior vice president at Lockheed Martin. And the latest addition to the club is Charles Kupperman, who has been tapped as deputy national security advisor. His career includes stints at both Boeing and Lockheed Martin. (His claim to fame: asserting that the United States could win a nuclear war.)"

"Retired Vice Admiral Jeffrey Wieringa, who led the Pentagon’s arms sales office, is a case in point. In that role, he helped promote sales of U.S. weaponry globally. Perhaps as a result, he “earned” himself a position as president for global services and support at Boeing less than a year after he retired. He’s far from alone. Retired Rear Admiral Donald Gaddis, a program officer for Navy air systems, also joined the company, as did retired Air Force Major General Jack Catton, Jr., who served as the director of requirements for the Air Combat Command before moving to Boeing. Retired Vice Admiral Mark Harnitchek, the former head of the Defense Logistics Agency, charged with managing $35 billion in goods and services across the DoD annually, similarly became a vice president at Boeing."

"lobbying restrictions on such former officials can be circumvented if they label themselves “consultants” or “business development executives.” Similarly, former Pentagon officials can go to work for an arms maker they once awarded a contract to as long as they’re hired by a different division of that company."

War is truly the self licking ice cream cone. Whats not to like ? we all get rich, right ? Someone else picks up the tab. All those collateral damage dead people dont write us any checks anyway.

Read the whole thing:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176521/tomgram%3A_smithberger_and_hartung%2C_the_pentagon%27s_revolving_door_spins_faster/

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« Reply #595 on: January 31, 2019, 03:41:02 AM »
 A senior judge has resigned from the UN International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague, after the United States threatened judges investigating alleged US war crimes in Afghanistan.

The judge, Christoph Flügge, has worked with the International Criminal Court (ICC) and the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) since 2008. More recently, he got involved with a preliminary investigations into claims that US military service members and CIA operatives tortured prisoners in Afghanistan.

Flügge told German newspaper Zeit that he handed in his resignation after open threats from US officials, including a speech by hawkish national security adviser John Bolton last September, where Bolton “wished death” on the Court.

https://www.rt.com/news/450187-international-court-judge-resigns/ 

What do you do with a school yard bully or a gang of thugs who want to rule over your neighborhood?
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« Reply #596 on: January 31, 2019, 03:49:21 AM »
Maduro is wasting his time and his breath

Maduro to Americans: You are bigger than Trump, don’t let him start ‘Vietnam’ war against Venezuela

He admitted that Venezuela faces a plethora of problems, “as any other country” and said Venezuelans can “solve them by ourselves,” without any outside meddling.

Describing himself as an admirer of US history, Maduro said that he hopes that reasonable US citizens will prevail, adding that America “is a great country, and it is much more than Donald Trump.”

“The United States is a great country and it is much bigger than Donald Trump,” he said. “I only ask for respect for Venezuela and I need your support to avoid a war like Vietnam.”

https://www.rt.com/news/450190-maduro-adresses-americans-vietnam/

Poor bugger. Asking for help from the American people is utterly futile and in fact clearly delusional. Hasn't a hope in hell of surviving. Russia (with China, Iran, and even Turkey eventually) intervening in Syria was a different kettle of fish.

If I was Maduro and his closest supporters, I'd simply give up and seek asylum for life somewhere else. I say let the Neoliberals and the psychopaths take over the country - try again in a decade to bring some decency and reason back into the picture after they have again fucked the place totally. Let the USA waste Billlion$ of Taxpayers money on propping up the next Regime. Every little bit wasted adds to to it's ultimate Bankruptcy founded upon it's Moral Bankruptcy. 
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« Reply #597 on: January 31, 2019, 02:15:34 PM »
The NYTs gives the usurper to the Crown a leg up

Opinion
Juan Guaidó: Venezuelans, Strength Is in Unity

To end the Maduro regime with the minimum of bloodshed, we need the support of pro-democratic governments, institutions and individuals the world over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/30/opinion/juan-guaido-venezuela.html

Guaido is not wasting his time or breath.
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« Reply #598 on: January 31, 2019, 04:26:15 PM »
Just how do foreigners rallying around an unelected (unelectable)? usurper further the cause of democracy?


I happened to be in Havana when Chavez and Castro announced their Doctors for Oil program. Those Venezuelans that flew to Miami for their check-ups were aghast at the give away The 90+% who had never before received quality any healthcare probably still cast their vote for The Revolution.


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« Reply #599 on: February 02, 2019, 07:24:59 AM »
Counterpunch has several articles on the curren attempts to topple the Maduro government in Venezuela:

Dolack with some context:

"It is also preposterous to assert that “socialism has failed” in Venezuela, when 70 percent of the country’s economy is in private hands, the country is completely integrated into the world capitalist system and it is (overly) dependent on a commodity with a price that wildly fluctuates on capitalist markets. Venezuela is a capitalist country that does far more than most to ameliorate the conditions of capitalism and in which socialism remains an aspiration. If something has “failed,” it is capitalism. Leaving much of the economy in the hands of capitalists leaves them with the ability to sabotage an economy, a lesson learned in painful fashion during the 1980s in Sandinista Nicaragua."

"The United States has militarily invaded Latin American and Caribbean countries 96 times, including 48 times in the 20th century. That total constitutes only direct interventions and doesn’t include coups fomented by the U.S. ..."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/01/sorting-through-the-lies-about-venezuela/

Rangel points out that Guaido may be made a martyr:

"a collective fantasy all about liberating a subjugated people.:

“This is a siege. There’s a script. It’s the format they applied in Libya and we see the same actions rolling out now, one after the other,”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/01/the-chain-of-command-is-clear-must-guaido-go-from-hero-to-martyr/

Leech could write for the onion:

"I, Garry Leech, declare myself president of the United States of America."

"In the same manner that the new self-declared president of Venezuela, Juan Guaidó, with the backing of the US government, is restoring democracy in Venezuela: through the ouster of a democratically elected leader."

"One thing that Guaidó does have going for him that I don’t at this point is foreign recognition of his self-declared presidency. But I intend to fix that by working covertly with the governments of Russia and China ..."

"There is also the need for humanitarian intervention to end the suffering endured by so many US Americans ...  some 44,000 people die annually in the United States due to a lack of access to affordable health care ... 23 percent of children in the world’s richest nation live in poverty ... incarcerates more of its own citizens than any other nation. With 2.3 million prisoners, the ‘land of the free’ has more people in prison than China ... despite constituting only 13 percent of the nation’s drug users, Blacks represented 58 percent of imprisoned drug offenders ..."

"I call on the heroic members of the US Armed Forces to no longer obey former president Trump and to instead recognize me as their new commander-in-chief. In fact, in the name of democracy, I ask all citizens of the world to recognize me as the new legitimate president of the United States of America."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/01/i-declare-myself-president-of-the-united-states-of-america/

Pagliccia is more serious on the threats to Venezuela:

"appointing oneself president or prime minister of a country is unconstitutional"

"this was done with the full and overt interference from foreign countries. And this breaks all sorts of international laws. Principally, it goes against the UN Charter and the OAS 1948 Charter."

"sanctions can only be enforced by resolution of the UN Security Council. Any other sanction unilaterally imposed is illegal in the eyes of the community of nations according to the UN Charter"

"I was forbidden by the Canadian government to vote at the Venezuelan consulate together with all Venezuelans across Canada ... The Canadian government deemed the elections “fraudulent” even before they took place!"

"the Canadian government is complicit in a US sponsored coup attempt in Venezuela."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/01/who-needs-elections-ask-the-us-about-the-government-your-country-should-have/

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