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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #200 on: August 22, 2018, 03:02:35 PM »
I really hope there are ships departing the US with equipment, first responders and provisions at this moment. If this thing continues on it's path this will be a Puerto Rico part 2. That there are many islands makes it worse.

BTW Solar panel installations need to be built to sustained winds of 250 mph, not 155 mph. The new climate requieres it.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #201 on: August 22, 2018, 05:33:28 PM »
POWERFUL HURRICANE LANE CONTINUES MOVING WEST NORTHWESTWARD TOWARD THE MAIN HAWAIIAN ISLANDS
500 AM HST Wed Aug 22 2018
Location: 15.1N 155.3W
Maximum sustained winds: 155 MPH
Moving: WNW at 9 MPH
Minimum pressure: 935 MB
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #202 on: August 23, 2018, 03:23:58 AM »
Matt Gray (@mattgraysky)
8/22/18, 6:42 PM
#Lane has the makings of a major disaster across Hawaii due to torrential rain and the accompanying flash floods, mudslides and landslides. It's this, not necessarily the winds that are the main threat. This image is a general idea of what the rain totals could look like.
https://twitter.com/mattgraysky/status/1032397726619598853
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Eric Holthaus (@EricHolthaus)
8/22/18, 7:29 PM
There aren't enough hurricane shelters in Hawaii, so the governor is advising people to shelter in place with two weeks of supplies.
Folks, the national media should be wall-to-wall in Hawaii right now. #HurricaneLane arrives in just a few hours. This is heartbreaking.
https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/1032409410709151744

Governor David Ige (@GovHawaii)
8/22/18, 7:12 PM
I want everyone to be prepared to shelter in place. 14 days food/water/supplies. If you must go to a shelter – take supplies with you. #HurricaneLane #lane #higov #hinews
https://twitter.com/govhawaii/status/1032405054718799872
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #203 on: August 23, 2018, 04:04:38 AM »
How long this event may last? 48 hours?
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #204 on: August 23, 2018, 04:21:25 AM »
Yes. Roughly between Thu 8AM and Sat 8AM (I guess PST)

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #205 on: August 23, 2018, 12:22:15 PM »
Meanwhile......
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180823/p2a/00m/0na/022000c
Typhoon Cimaron to pound western Japan, evacuation instructions issued

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The tropical cyclone is forecasted to dump massive amounts of rain and bring intense gusts in the region, and local governments of areas in the typhoon's projected path issued evacuation advisories and instructions to residents hours before the storm's arrival. Many of the cities and towns were devastated by historic torrential rains and subsequent flooding and landslides in early July. Train and air traffic services were also suspended on Aug. 23 to avert possible damage caused by the season's 20th typhoon.

Flooding and landslides are feared in areas where the typhoon is expected to hit, and the JMA has advised residents to be on their guard against such natural disasters. In a message on Aug. 23, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe called for early evacuations and for people to take measures to limit damage.

The amount of rain forecast to fall over the 24-hour period ending 6 p.m. on Aug. 24 is 500 millimeters in the Shikoku and Kinki regions, and 400 millimeters in the Tokai region in central Japan. Rainfall is expected to reach 250 millimeters in the Kanto-Koshin region in the eastern part of the country and 200 millimeters in the Chugoku region in the west.

In the Chugoku and Tokai regions, it is predicted that the total amount of rain to fall in localized downpours since the arrival of the previous typhoon, Soulik, could reach 1,000 millimeters.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #206 on: August 23, 2018, 04:39:45 PM »
Hawaiji, the homestate of former president. He's not a Kenyan, if you haven't heard. Has Drumpf ordered a HAARP attack as an insult to the people storing the birth certidicate.
More seriously,
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #207 on: August 23, 2018, 07:15:55 PM »
“The quicker #Lane weakens the quicker it turns west. This will spare the islands from the hurricane winds, but they'll get Harvey-like rains in some spots. 10-20" will be common but up to 30". Most in Houston picked up 30-35" in #Harvey. The mountainous terrain worsens flooding”
https://mobile.twitter.com/travisabc13/status/1032604124192354304

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LANE CREEPING CLOSER TO HAWAII
TORRENTIAL RAIN SOAKING THE BIG ISLAND
500 AM HST Thu Aug 23 2018
Location: 16.9N 157.4W
Maximum sustained winds: 130 MPH
Moving: NW at 7 MPH
Minimum pressure: 949 MB
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #208 on: August 23, 2018, 10:08:34 PM »
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #209 on: August 24, 2018, 02:47:46 AM »
8/23/18, 7:16 PM
Latest high-resolution HMON model has #HurricaneLane making direct landfall tomorrow (Friday) afternoon in Maui. It would be the first hurricane landfall in Maui in recorded history.
HWRF and GFS show something similar. This threat is very real.
https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/1032768445929213952
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #210 on: August 24, 2018, 01:13:17 PM »
Via @NWSHonolulu

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Preliminary storm totals from Big Island: Hakalau Station 31.21", Waikea Experimental Station 23.67".
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #211 on: August 24, 2018, 03:09:34 PM »
wow. That's a lot of rain.

And interesting video:

Hurricane Lane - 33rd Floor


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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #212 on: August 24, 2018, 07:56:45 PM »
“We are being evacuated. The neighborhood is too dangerous as the water from the Wailuku River keeps rising. Fire, police and county officials want us to move about 100 feet down the hill. There are still people stranded in homes.
#HurricaneLane
https://mobile.twitter.com/lynnkawano/status/1032819758129864710
Video of neighborhood flooding at the link.

"#TrackingLane UPDATE (8/23 at 4 PM): #HurricaneLane downgraded to Category 3 storm but #Lane's sluggish pace (~7mph) is raising flooding risks across #Hawaii as NWS extends flash flood warning for East Hawaiʻi Island til 6:45PM ...”
https://mobile.twitter.com/milekalincoln/status/1032809116207435776
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #213 on: August 25, 2018, 03:13:05 PM »
More from @NWSHonolulu:

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11:00 pm 8/24/18 Preliminary rain totals on Big Island show 4 stations have reported 40+ inches from #Lane. The highest is Waiakea Uka with 44.88". Flooding remains a primary concern this weekend for some islands.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #214 on: August 25, 2018, 03:27:08 PM »
Kirk Caldwell (@MayorKirkHNL)
8/24/18, 11:05 PM
#HurricaneLane has weakened to a Tropical Storm, and the hurricane warning on O'ahu has been similarly downgraded to a tropical storm warning. Heavy rainfall and flash flooding from #Lane still pose a threat to O'ahu residents. We will continue to monitor the status of the storm.
https://twitter.com/mayorkirkhnl/status/1033188497950007297
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #215 on: August 25, 2018, 06:42:27 PM »
Melanie Yamaguchi (@MelYamaguchi)
8/24/18, 3:53 PM
Here's what Hilo looked like after #HurricaneLane dumped rain on the Big Island yesterday. Some parts got over 30 inches of rain! (Image courtesy: Tracey Niimi)

Jim Cantore (@JimCantore)
8/25/18, 9:15 AM
Hilo setting another daily rainfall record. August monthly RECORD crushed already and HILO HAS MEASURED 31.85 INCHES OF RAIN FOR THE THREE 
DAY PERIOD OF AUGUST 22-24 2018. THIS BECOMES THE WETTEST THREE 
DAY PERIOD EVER OBSERVED AT HILO.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #216 on: August 25, 2018, 06:45:37 PM »
Greg Diamond (@gdimeweather)
8/25/18, 6:03 AM
Of all tropical cyclones to impact the U.S. since 1950, #Lane is now one of the most prolific rain producers on record

Update. Now #4

(And it’s still raining....)
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #217 on: August 26, 2018, 08:01:44 PM »
Hurricane Lane is now the third wettest tropical cyclone on record in the U.S. (preliminary). One location has now picked up more than 50 inches of rain on the Big Island.

Tropical Depression Lane Pulling Away from the Hawaiian Islands; Flash Flood Watch Continues
https://weather.com/safety/hurricane/news/2018-08-23-hurricane-lane-forecast-hawaii
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #218 on: August 28, 2018, 08:44:38 PM »
...LANE POSSIBLY BREAKS HAWAII TROPICAL CYCLONE RAINFALL
RECORD...

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The Mountain View gage has measured 52.02 inches of rain for the
period from 8 AM HST August 22 when the outer rain bands started
impacting the Big Island through 8 AM HST August 26 after the
trailing rain band passed west of South Point. An unverified
private weather station also reported 58.80 inches during this
same time span. We will attempt to validate this private weather
station report. Both totals indicate that Hurricane Lane has
broken the Hawaii tropical cyclone storm total rainfall record,
pending verification of the data. The previous record was 52.00
inches, measured at Kanalohuluhulu Ranger Station, during
Hurricane Hiki in 1950.

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #220 on: September 01, 2018, 08:30:04 PM »
"Super Typhoon Jebi has become the strongest cyclone on the planet and so far in 2018, with a destructive path into the heart of Japan by next Tuesday."
https://pzal.ndbc.noaa.gov/collab/jtwc/products/wp2518.gif

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #221 on: September 01, 2018, 08:34:39 PM »
The Atlantic is showing signs of coming back to life:
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #222 on: September 01, 2018, 09:13:18 PM »
I didn;t think much of the names picked for storms this year .. but Florence is welcome to drop by .. b.c.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #223 on: September 02, 2018, 12:37:51 PM »
This could become a Puerto Rico like scenario for large parts of Japan. And with so much heat accumulating in the oceans we are probably going to see a Puerto Rico every year somewhere.

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #224 on: September 02, 2018, 06:06:14 PM »
This could become a Puerto Rico like scenario for large parts of Japan. And with so much heat accumulating in the oceans we are probably going to see a Puerto Rico every year somewhere.

It used to be "a Haiti" that we didn't want to ever see again.
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« Reply #225 on: September 02, 2018, 10:12:12 PM »
I didn;t think much of the names picked for storms this year .. but Florence is welcome to drop by .. b.c.
The remains of Florence could give the UK its first Equinoxial storm in about a fortnight's time (if GFS is right for once on how and when Florence does the curve to the north and is then captured by the mid-latitudes Atlantic westerlies).
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« Reply #226 on: September 03, 2018, 01:33:19 PM »
I didn;t think much of the names picked for storms this year .. but Florence is welcome to drop by .. b.c.
The remains of Florence could give the UK its first Equinoxial storm in about a fortnight's time (if GFS is right for once on how and when Florence does the curve to the north and is then captured by the mid-latitudes Atlantic westerlies).

The other global models have trended towards keeping a weaker Florence under a strengthening ridge, increasing the odds of a track into the US East Coast.  Lots of time to go.

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« Reply #227 on: September 03, 2018, 04:35:42 PM »
I didn;t think much of the names picked for storms this year .. but Florence is welcome to drop by .. b.c.
The remains of Florence could give the UK its first Equinoxial storm in about a fortnight's time (if GFS is right for once on how and when Florence does the curve to the north and is then captured by the mid-latitudes Atlantic westerlies).
The other global models have trended towards keeping a weaker Florence under a strengthening ridge, increasing the odds of a track into the US East Coast.  Lots of time to go.
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And GFS shows Florence growing up to be a big strong girl, making the turn and travelling North East by Sept 13th and giving Newfoundland a glancing blow on the way.

Of course looking that far ahead is a dumb thing to do ... but we do it all the time about the sea ice; so why not..
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #228 on: September 03, 2018, 07:49:40 PM »

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #229 on: September 03, 2018, 07:52:47 PM »
Since nobody else seems to have mentioned it as yet, tropical storm Gordon is now spinning in the Gulf of Mexico:

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #230 on: September 04, 2018, 10:51:04 AM »

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« Reply #231 on: September 04, 2018, 11:01:55 AM »
Gordon is now forecast to reach hurricane strength before landfall:

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #232 on: September 04, 2018, 11:08:18 AM »
Jebi is arriving.

Jebi has arrived:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180904_25/

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Typhoon Jebi has made its second landfall in Japan, slamming into the country's main island of Honshu. It hit the island of Shikoku a few hours earlier. It's one of the strongest typhoons to make landfall in Japan in 25 years.

Jebi is wreaking havoc on transportation links with evacuation advisories still in place across wide areas.

We're hearing reports that a few people in the country have been injured from the strong winds.

Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people remain under evacuation advisories in the city of Kobe and also in Osaka Prefecture. Officials say heavy rain could lead to landslides or flooding.

There are also large disruptions to transportation links. Shinkansen bullet train service between Tokyo and Osaka is suspended.

There are other rail service suspensions as well in the Kyoto, Osaka and Kobe areas.

Airline companies have cancelled more than 750 domestic flights scheduled for Tuesday mainly in western Japan.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #233 on: September 04, 2018, 02:35:53 PM »
Some footage of Jebi impact here;


It appears to show hundreds of cars tossed together which caught fire.
Can't imagine how that would happen.
That is, i can see how storm surge washes them away probably but not how this results in fire on that scale.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #234 on: September 04, 2018, 03:05:35 PM »
Florence is now forecast to reach hurricane strength at the weekend:

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« Reply #235 on: September 04, 2018, 03:47:33 PM »
Some footage of Jebi impact here;
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It appears to show hundreds of cars tossed together which caught fire.
Can't imagine how that would happen.
That is, i can see how storm surge washes them away probably but not how this results in fire on that scale.

Judging by the variety of vehicles, these don’t seem to be EVs.  ICE cars require a least enough fuel in the tank to move them around parking lots and load onto trailers.  If even one tank is punctured or the fuel line is damaged and fuel spills, and a crushed or flooded car sparks... there you go.

And, what’s in those red canisters?  If they are fuel containers, and one that wasn’t empty got stuck between moving cars...
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #236 on: September 04, 2018, 05:33:23 PM »
Florence is now officially the third hurricane of the 2018 Atlantic season:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCMAT1+shtml/041436.shtml
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #237 on: September 04, 2018, 06:51:02 PM »
Dr. Rick Luettich (@RLuettich)
9/4/18, 9:52 AM
As of the 5 am forecast, adcirc.org is predicting 5’ - 6’ storm surge above normal high tide from Gulfport to Ocean Springs occurring w/ high tide early am on Wednesday. #Gordon
https://twitter.com/rluettich/status/1036975225806700544
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@RLuettich Here in Ocean Springs along the backside water levels are already rising.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #238 on: September 04, 2018, 07:15:40 PM »
Still a long way to go, but the next typhoon is already on the map. And he's moving in the direction of Japan.

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #239 on: September 04, 2018, 07:37:20 PM »
I wonder how things are going in the countryside.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #240 on: September 05, 2018, 09:51:21 AM »
Gordon is now weakening over the Alabama/Mississippi border:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT2+shtml/050603.shtml?

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Gordon is expected to produce total rain accumulations of 4 to 8 inches over the western Florida Panhandle, southwest Alabama, southern and central Mississippi, northeastern Louisiana, and southern Arkansas, with isolated maximum amounts of 12 inches through late Thursday.

Meanwhile out in the Atlantic Florence is up to category 2:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/050252.shtml?

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A look at the ensemble guidance shows a bifurcation developing by day 5, with the ECMWF favoring a more northward turn, and the UKMET ensembles showing a stronger ridge and a continuation of a west-northwest track.  The new NHC forecast is adjusted westward at long range, in line with the corrected-consensus aids, but don't be surprised if this forecast undergoes some large changes in the next few cycles, given the split in the guidance.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #241 on: September 05, 2018, 04:58:15 PM »
Florence reached category 3. Forecasts underestimate significantly this tropical cyclone.
Florence is now forecast to reach hurricane strength at the weekend:

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« Reply #242 on: September 05, 2018, 06:00:51 PM »
Where do they come from ?

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #243 on: September 06, 2018, 12:09:34 AM »
Florence advisory #26:

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Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 130 mph (215 km/h) with higher gusts.  Florence is now a category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale.  Some weakening is forecast during the next couple of days, but Florence is expected to remain a powerful hurricane through early next week.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 15 miles (30 km) from the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 90 miles (150 km).

The estimated minimum central pressure is 953 mb (28.15 inches).

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #244 on: September 06, 2018, 03:18:15 PM »
Craig Setzer on Twitter: "While models indicate a US threat from Florence, history would say otherwise. Typically a storm/hurricane at Florence's location is too far north & east to not recurve away from the US. Too early to tell for sure but this weekend wouldn't hurt to top off your hurricane supplies."
https://mobile.twitter.com/craigsetzer/status/1037550226620514304
GIF at the link shows historical hurricane tracks through Florence’s location.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #245 on: September 06, 2018, 05:08:04 PM »
I don't know about history. SST's at 30N are warmer than at 18N (See nullschool). There seems to be plenty of fuel.
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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #246 on: September 06, 2018, 07:09:42 PM »
Latest forecast sends Florence south of Bermuda in 5 days. Right to hot point which I see in earth.nullschool.net.

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #247 on: September 06, 2018, 08:02:21 PM »
Hurricanes are more predictable than (specific) sea ice numbers, although this is mostly because effort has been put in to make them predictable, whereas comparatively little or no effort has been put in to make short term sea ice numbers predictable. Saying that, I would trust the NHC forecasts & model spaghetti more than I would trust past analogs. That being said, here are GFS ensemble members for Florence, 7 days out:



An awful lot of them get awful close to the Northeastern US...

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #248 on: September 06, 2018, 08:09:49 PM »
With Jebi they were right on more than a week in advance. And now it looks horrible for Taiwan, and pretty bad for the US

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Re: Hurricane season 2018
« Reply #249 on: September 06, 2018, 08:23:11 PM »
Florence is definitely hazardous for Bermuda but United States? There is not such hurricane in history.
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Since 1851, 67 named storms have passed within 200 nautical miles of #Florence’s present location, and not a single one has ever hit the United States. So if this one does, it would be a remarkable outlier.
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