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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1050 on: October 27, 2019, 02:29:21 PM »
FREE JULIAN ASSANGE


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/10/26/span-o26.html


Perfidious Albion now obstructs Spanish investigation into CIA's spying on Julian!


If enough Brits & Ausies wrote to their MPs it might have an effect.
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« Reply #1051 on: October 27, 2019, 04:27:06 PM »
Extremely good!

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« Reply #1052 on: October 29, 2019, 02:09:19 PM »
Max Blumenthal was picked up in a SWAT raid and held without access to a lawyer over the weekend.


https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/28/this-charge-is-one-hundred-percent-false-grayzone-editor-max-blumenthal-arrested-months-after-reporting-on-venezuelan-opposition-violence/


Journalism, particularly by journalists that don't toe the government's line, is an increasingly dangerous occupation in the US of A.


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« Reply #1053 on: October 30, 2019, 03:09:55 AM »
I watched this the other day:

https://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/

It provides a nice history of the right's media efforts over the last century or so, and has a happy ending!

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« Reply #1054 on: November 01, 2019, 08:56:16 PM »
Brilliant expose of the commoditization of language: Newspeak is here

"In poetry and other forms of literature, words acquire value based on the type of emotions, mental landscapes and history they evoke. For Google algorithm however, the value of a word fluctuates according to the power of the industry that uses and advertises it ... emotionless commodification of language has helped Google become one the most successful and wealthy companies in the world."

"I wanted to give language its agency back as human, emotive language, rather than as a training set, or as a vehicle for the flow of advertising capital around digital spaces, which is what it is increasingly becoming."

"linguistic capitalism occurs when the economic value of words – their exchange value – negates their value in their communicative, or aesthetic sense, with potential collateral effects on the wider discourse. :

"if words are now tied to an economic derivative value that is more and more distanced and decontextualized from its other – more liquid – values, then do they risk becoming subprime?"

"in Oceania, this control of language is overtly deployed as a means of controlling thought, whereas in linguistic capitalism, the political and social effects of this semantic determinism go largely unnoticed, or are somehow dismissed as a quirk, a glitch, or as an acceptable trade-off for the wider perceived benefits of Google’s systems."

" we are lulled into a sense that we have any control or agency by the aesthetics and ubiquity of technologies like Google, and more and more this has extreme political consequences. "

Read the whole interview with Dr. Thornton:

https://we-make-money-not-art.com/linguistic-capitalism/

In fact, read her dissertation:

https://pure.royalholloway.ac.uk/portal/files/33473592/THORNTON_THESIS_FINALFINAL.pdf

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« Reply #1055 on: November 02, 2019, 12:59:24 AM »
Hasan interviews Chomsky at the intercept:

" they’re going after Trump not on his major crimes but because he went after a leading Democrat. Does that remind you of anything? Yes. Watergate. They didn’t go after Nixon on his major crimes. They were off the record. It was because he had attacked the Democratic party. "

"Is it the right thing to do? I mean, Trump is impeachable 100 times over. You know, he’s a major crook. There’s no doubt about it. Is it politically wise? I frankly doubt it."

"Bernie Sanders is a decent person. I like what he’s doing. To be quite frank, his major policies would not have surprised President Eisenhower very much. He’s a progressive, New Deal Democrat. Politics has shifted so far to the right during the neoliberal period that things that were sort of conventional and mainstream 50-60 years ago now sound radical. "

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/31/deconstructed-special-the-noam-chomsky-interview/

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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1056 on: November 02, 2019, 07:39:33 AM »
Why Republican/Democratic politics is bad >>




Why Bernie's politics is good >>

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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1057 on: November 02, 2019, 08:13:56 AM »
Hasan interviews Chomsky at the intercept:

Great podcast, just listened to it. Thanks for sharing, Sidd.
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« Reply #1058 on: November 02, 2019, 08:23:53 AM »
Yes, thank you very much for your very interesting, important and high morality postings sidd, also in the economic inequality thread :)
"It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly" - Bertrand Russell
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« Reply #1059 on: November 05, 2019, 01:44:47 AM »
Johnstone on propaganda:

" framing more and more debates in terms of how the oligarchic empire should be sustained and supported, steering them away from debates about whether that empire should be permitted to exist at all."

"They get people debating whether they should elect a crook in a red hat or a crook in a blue hat, rather than whether or not they should be forced to elect crooks."

"They get people debating whether or not a group of protesters are sufficiently polite, rather than debating the thing those protesters are demonstrating against."

"They get people debating how many US troops should be in Syria, rather than whether that illegal invasion and occupation was ever legitimate in the first place."

"They get people debating how much government support the poor should be allowed to have, rather than whether the rich should be allowed to keep what they’ve stolen from the poor.
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"They get people debating whether Fox or MSNBC is the real “fake news”, rather than whether the entirety of mainstream media is oligarchic propaganda."

"They get people shoving against each other in opposite directions, while they swiftly build a cage around us all."

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/11/04/the-incredible-shrinking-overton-window/

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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1060 on: November 05, 2019, 08:29:25 AM »
Thanks sidd for that gem.
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« Reply #1061 on: November 06, 2019, 06:10:36 PM »
Group Says Misinformation On the Rise On Facebook
https://techxplore.com/news/2019-11-group-misinformation-facebook.html

... The group found that, collectively, fake stories were posted more than 2.3 million times and had an estimated 158.9 million views, along with 8.9 million likes, comments and shares. The false stories targeted both political parties, though Avaaz says the majority were against Democrats and liberals.

Avaaz said in the report that the findings are the "tip of the iceberg of disinformation" ahead of the 2020 elections.
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« Reply #1062 on: November 15, 2019, 01:10:23 AM »
This post could go in several threads, but it fits here.

Graeber reviews Skidelsky at nyrb: economics is no longer fit for purpose

"beginning to look like a science designed to solve problems that no longer exist."

"We now live in a different economic universe than we did before the crash. Falling unemployment no longer drives up wages. Printing money does not cause inflation. Yet the language of public debate, and the wisdom conveyed in economic textbooks, remain almost entirely unchanged."

"There are plenty of magic money trees in Britain, as there are in any developed economy. They are called “banks.” "

"an astounding 85 percent of members of Parliament had no idea where money really came from (most appeared to be under the impression that it was produced by the Royal Mint). "

"The one thing it never seemed to occur to anyone to do was to get a job at a bank, and find out what actually happens when someone asks to borrow money. In 2014 a German economist named Richard Werner did exactly that, and discovered that, in fact, loan officers do not check their existing funds, reserves, or anything else. They simply create money out of thin air, or, as he preferred to put it, “fairy dust.”"

"demanding that the technocrats charged with running the system base all policy decisions on false assumptions about something as elementary as the nature of money becomes a little like demanding that architects proceed on the understanding that the square root of 47 is actually π."

"the Bank of England (the British equivalent of the Federal Reserve, whose economists are most free to speak their minds since they are not formally part of the government) rolled out an elaborate official report called “Money Creation in the Modern Economy,” replete with videos and animations, making the same point: existing economics textbooks, and particularly the reigning monetarist orthodoxy, are wrong. The heterodox economists are right. Private banks create money. Central banks like the Bank of England create money as well, but monetarists are entirely wrong to insist that their proper function is to control the money supply. In fact, central banks do not in any sense control the money supply"

"Central banks in Norway, Switzerland, and Germany quickly put out similar papers. Back in the UK, the immediate media response was simply silence. The Bank of England report has never, to my knowledge, been so much as mentioned on the BBC or any other TV news outlet. Newspaper columnists continued to write as if monetarism was self-evidently correct. Politicians continued to be grilled about where they would find the cash for social programs. It was as if a kind of entente cordiale had been established, in which the technocrats would be allowed to live in one theoretical universe, while politicians and news commentators would continue to exist in an entirely different one."

"it would be unwise to ignore the possibility that something historic is afoot."

"Accordingly, one of the most significant books to come out of the UK in recent years would have to be Robert Skidelsky’s Money and Government: The Past and Future of Economics. Ostensibly an attempt to answer the question of why mainstream economics rendered itself so useless in the years immediately before and after the crisis of 2008, it is really an attempt to retell the history of the economic discipline through a consideration of the two things—money and government—that most economists least like to talk about."

"Is money best conceived of as a physical commodity, a precious substance used to facilitate exchange, or is it better to see money primarily as a credit, a bookkeeping method or circulating IOU—in any case, a social arrangement? This is an argument that has been going on in some form for thousands of years. What we call “money” is always a mixture of both"

"According to Skidelsky, the pattern was to repeat itself again and again, in 1797, the 1840s, the 1890s, and, ultimately, the late 1970s and early 1980s, with Thatcher and Reagan’s (in each case brief) adoption of monetarism. Always we see the same sequence of events:

 (1) The government adopts hard-money policies as a matter of principle.
 (2) Disaster ensues.
 (3) The government quietly abandons hard-money policies.
 (4) The economy recovers.
 (5) Hard-money philosophy nonetheless becomes, or is reinforced as, simple universal common sense. "

"How was it possible to justify such a remarkable string of failures? Here a lot of the blame, according to Skidelsky, can be laid at the feet of the Scottish philosopher David Hume. "

"there’s absolutely no reason a modern state should fund itself primarily by appropriating a proportion of each citizen’s earnings. There are plenty of other ways to go about it. Many—such as land, wealth, commercial, or consumer taxes (any of which can be made more or less progressive)—are considerably more efficient, since creating a bureaucratic apparatus capable of monitoring citizens’ personal affairs to the degree required by an income tax system is itself enormously expensive. But this misses the real point: income tax is supposed to be intrusive and exasperating. It is meant to feel at least a little bit unfair. Like so much of classical liberalism (and contemporary neoliberalism), it is an ingenious political sleight of hand—an expansion of the bureaucratic state that also allows its leaders to pretend to advocate for small government."

“lunatic premises lead to mad conclusions”

"we were obliged to pretend that markets could not, by definition, be wrong"

 "There is a paradox here. On the one hand, the theory says that there is no point in trying to profit from speculation, because shares are always correctly priced and their movements cannot be predicted. But on the other hand, if investors did not try to profit, the market would not be efficient because there would be no self-correcting mechanism….

Secondly, if shares are always correctly priced, bubbles and crises cannot be generated by the market….

 This attitude leached into policy: “government officials, starting with [Federal Reserve Chairman] Alan Greenspan, were unwilling to burst the bubble precisely because they were unwilling to even judge that it was a bubble.” The EMH [Efficient Market Hypothesis]  made the identification of bubbles impossible because it ruled them out a priori. "

"After such a catastrophic embarrassment, orthodox economists fell back on their strong suit—academic politics and institutional power"

"If an “economy” is to be defined as the means by which a human population provides itself with its material needs, the British economy is increasingly dysfunctional. Frenetic efforts on the part of the British political class to change the subject (Brexit) can hardly go on forever. Eventually, real issues will have to be addressed."

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/12/05/against-economics/

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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1063 on: November 15, 2019, 04:11:52 PM »
Researchers Identify Seven Types of Fake News, Aiding Better Detection
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-fake-news-aiding.html

... In a study, researchers narrowed down myriad examples of fake news to seven basic categories, which include false news, polarized content, satire, misreporting, commentary, persuasive information and citizen journalism. The researchers also contrasted those types of content with real news and report their findings in the current issue of American Behavioral Scientist.

The researchers found that real news has message characteristics that differentiate it from the various categories of fake news, such as adherence to journalistic style. False news tends to be less grammatical and less factual, with greater reliance on emotionally charged claims, misleading headlines and so on. They also differ in the kinds of sources they use and how they use them.

In addition, the study noted differences in the structure of the site, such as the use of non-standard web addresses and personal e-mails in the "contact us" section. Furthermore, network differences can be used to help distinguish them, with fabricated news primarily circulated among social media accounts and seldom involving mainstream media outlets.

... "As we encounter content in real life, the situation is much messier and murkier," ... "For instance, despite containing some factually incorrect information, a satire article should not be blindly labeled as fake if the context is clear; yet, at the same time, if only some parts of the satire article are used, out of context, in social media, then it should be labeled as fake to curb its spread." ...

Maria D. Molina et al. "Fake News" Is Not Simply False Information: A Concept Explication and Taxonomy of Online Content[/url, American Behavioral Scientist (2019)
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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1064 on: November 18, 2019, 08:59:58 AM »
A joined publication by The Intercept (not Glenn Greenwald) and the New York Times shows Iran's influence in Iraq :

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/18/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-spy-cables.html

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The Iran Cables: Secret Documents Show How Tehran Wields Power in Iraq
Hundreds of leaked intelligence reports shed light on a shadow war for regional influence — and the battles within the Islamic Republic’s own spy divisions

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/18/iran-iraq-spy-cables/

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The unprecedented leak exposes Tehran’s vast influence in Iraq, detailing years of painstaking work by Iranian spies to co-opt the country’s leaders, pay Iraqi agents working for the Americans to switch sides, and infiltrate every aspect of Iraq’s political, economic, and religious life.
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« Reply #1065 on: November 19, 2019, 01:58:52 AM »
It would be a damn shame if some foreign nation was found to have interfered with Iraq's right to rule themselves as they saw fit. ::)
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« Reply #1066 on: November 19, 2019, 02:45:38 AM »
TerryM:
Don't powerful nations always try to impose their wishes on weaker nations when they can?
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« Reply #1067 on: November 19, 2019, 05:36:58 AM »
TerryM:
Don't powerful nations always try to impose their wishes on weaker nations when they can?


Indeed, but few resort to Shock and Awe to demonstrate the sincerity of their intent.
Even fewer would consider the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent toddlers "worth it, when everything is considered".
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« Reply #1068 on: November 19, 2019, 05:49:08 AM »
The Iranians have been playing at Empire for a long, long time. I am watching with interest as Iran aligns with that other long time player, China.

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« Reply #1069 on: November 19, 2019, 01:07:46 PM »
TerryM:
Shock and Awe is a product of contemporary technology, as is the very ability to quickly and easily kill hundreds of thousands.
If the Assyrians had nuclear weapons they would have blown up the world in a week.
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« Reply #1070 on: November 19, 2019, 02:35:25 PM »
^^
They also fed their lions on worn out slaves while Jehova was telling his people to kill all the civilians, except for the unmarried women and children. Surely we can expect a higher morality from our secular leaders.
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« Reply #1071 on: November 19, 2019, 02:37:23 PM »
Hope? Maybe.
Expect? I'm dubious.
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« Reply #1072 on: November 19, 2019, 10:27:22 PM »
Unfortunately, Jehova has been making a comeback these last few years.

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« Reply #1073 on: November 20, 2019, 02:09:46 AM »
How Local 'Fake News' Websites Spread 'Conservative Propaganda' in the US
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/locality-labs-fake-news-local-sites-newspapers

... “It is always a bit troubling in the current environment when websites don’t really indicate what they’re all about, and sort of hide who is behind them, and I think that’s clearly the case here,” said Matt Gertz, a senior fellow at the not-for-profit press watchdog Media Matters.

“In the fractured media environment that we’re operating in now, if you’re just scrolling through your Facebook feed or your Twitter feed and you see an article, you click on it and you might take in the information from there without really ever wondering what the source actually is.”

... Locality Labs’ sites are almost identical in layout. The Great Lakes Wire is similar to the Ann Arbor Times, which bears a striking resemblance to the DuPage Policy Journal and the Prairie State Wire.

Each has the look of a local news organization, with information on gas prices and local businesses.

Some of the sites – in a slightly difficult to find “About” section – say they are a product of Local Government Information Services, and state that they are funded by advocacy groups who believe in “limited government”.

But others – the Prairie State Wire, for example – either do not, or they claim to be an “objective” product of a Locality Labs-linked company called Metrics Media, despite retaining their rightwing tone.

What the sites all have in common is praising Republican politicians, and denigrating Democratic ones. ... None of the articles mentioned that the thinktank in question was a rightwing, anti-tax lobbying organization.

Opinion as news is nothing new. But the appearance of the rightwing-skewed Locality Labs sites, presented as merely local news, has been aided by the demise of the local news industry in America as real local newspapers have shut down in droves, sometimes leading to “news deserts”.

“And so there’s an idea here that you can move in and take advantage of that, of both the lack of local news options and the fact that people are inclined to trust local news by creating these hyperlocal news sites and provide no little bit of conservative propaganda.”

The CEO of Locality Labs is Brian Timpone, an ex-journalist with a track record of operating dubious news organizations. Timpone’s predecessor to Locality Labs was a company called Journatic, which saw a licensing contract with the Chicago Tribune torn up after it published plagiarized articles and made up quotes and fake names for its writers.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/19/the-collapse-of-the-information-ecosystem-poses-profound-risks-for-humanity

We are currently facing a new systemic collapse, one that has built far more swiftly but poses potent risks for all of humanity: the collapse of the information ecosystem. We see it play out every day with the viral spread of misinformation, widening news deserts and the proliferation of fake news. This collapse has much in common with the environmental collapse of the planet that we’re only now beginning to grasp, and its consequences for life as we know it are shaping up to be just as profound.

... If the price of the industrial revolution was planetary destruction on an unimaginable scale, the digital revolution may be costly in a different but similarly destructive way. William Randolph Hearst owned the means of production and was free to publish made up stories to sell papers and stoke the Spanish-American war. Today, everyone is free to be their own propagandist.

The scale of the threat is hard to overstate.

When the scientists behind the Doomsday clock published their yearly assessment of how close we are to planetary doom, they added a new dimension to the dual threats of nuclear proliferation and climate change, namely “the intentional corruption of the information ecosystem on which modern civilization depends”.

What we’ve seen in recent years isn’t just the collapse of informational authority. It is the destruction of the pact between the purveyors of quality information and the businesses that wanted to reach the consumers of that information.
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« Reply #1074 on: November 22, 2019, 03:16:28 AM »
^^
Very true and a very hard to counter.
I wonder if limiting the discussion to those espousing different political stances doesn't undercount the extent of the fakery we're immersed in.
I could write pages with examples from academia, extractive industry, manufacturing, transportation, even the so called information sector, but I expect we're all aware of the problem. What's lacking is a solution.


The need for eternal vigilance. A growing sense of distrust, and occasionally being taken advantage of. These are prices we pay irrespective of our political stance.


Would a discussion of solutions be helpful?
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« Reply #1075 on: November 22, 2019, 05:16:11 AM »
Yes I have been thinking about this including laws with prison sentences when it is proved that certain types knowingly lie like Presidents and Prime Ministers and such. Why can't our standards be high. What about "A Clear and Present Danger" ;-)

Originally from Canada but living in South East Asia for 20 years I was very surprised when I first moved here that folks expected politicians to take a bit (or quite a bit) on the side (most ASEAN not all) it was like part of their due.

Originally I thought in Canada we were better. Now I'm not so sure. Power corrupting (absolutely) seems to have fandangled all.

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« Reply #1076 on: November 22, 2019, 06:59:42 AM »
Randy
I left Canada as a teen, then returned as a retiree. I was gone for over 40 yrs and lost track of everyone.
In retrospect I should have returned much earlier, but then I'd never have met the love of my life. Canada may not be what it was when you left, but it's still a wonderful place. I don't know if you touch base from time to time, but they're very welcoming to expats coming home.


All the best!
Hope to hear more from you. You'll find the this can be a very welcoming forum.
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« Reply #1077 on: November 28, 2019, 09:26:25 AM »
Ford at blackagendareport reprints a dismemberment of turkey day from a decade and a half ago:

"the supremely white American holiday, the most ghoulish event on the national calendar. No Halloween of the imagination can rival the exterminationist reality that was the genesis, and remains the legacy, of the American Thanksgiving. It is the most loathsome, humanity-insulting day of the year – a pure glorification of racist barbarity."

"a national consecration of the unspeakable, a balm and benediction for the victors, a blessing of the fruits of murder and kidnapping"

"Those that escaped the fire were slain with the sword; some hewed to pieces, others run through with their rapiers, so that they were quickly dispatched and very few escaped. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fire...horrible was the stink and scent thereof, but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to enclose their enemies in their hands, and give them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enemy."

" “This day forth shall be a day of celebration and thanksgiving for subduing the Pequots," read Governor John Winthrop’s proclamation. The authentic Thanksgiving Day was born. "

"The necessity of genocide was the operative, working assumption of the expanding American nation. "Manifest Destiny" was born at Plymouth Rock and Jamestown ... Little children were taught that the American project was inherently good, Godly, and that those who got in the way were "evil-doers" or just plain subhuman, to be gloriously eliminated. The lie is central to white American identity"

He's on fire here, read the whole thing at

https://blackagendareport.com/end-american-thanksgivings-cause-universal-rejoicing

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« Reply #1078 on: November 28, 2019, 03:07:21 PM »
^^
Much of that linked above should be required as a Thanksgiving Dinner Reading. I'd be inclined to omit references to the Pilgrim's "Rampant Sodomy" from the children's table as they might not understand that sodomy was once frowned upon, especially among the pious. ::)


It contains many exciting first hand accounts of the events that molded the nascent nation's relations with those whose antecedents were foolish enough to have settled in land that our god had manifestly reserved for our exclusive use. :P


My Canadians further north in NewFoundland proved to be much truer friends to the First Nations they encountered. Find me just one Beothuk that can dispute this claim. :-[
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« Reply #1079 on: December 14, 2019, 01:03:34 PM »
Interviewer from ANI News Agency says in the land of farmers:
   "what the common man is suffering with the price..."
   "Who is the responsible for this soaring prices..."
What is the respond?
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« Reply #1080 on: December 17, 2019, 10:15:30 AM »
Sam Seder Destroys NYT's Smear On Cenk Uygur

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« Reply #1081 on: December 18, 2019, 02:28:08 AM »
Facebook calls cops on BBC after BBC reports child porn on facebook to facebook:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39187929

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« Reply #1082 on: December 27, 2019, 10:34:28 PM »
Wapo goes after Maddow ? thats a first.

Wemple on Maddow coverage of Steele dossier:

"She was there for the bunkings, absent for the debunkings — a pattern of misleading and dishonest asymmetry."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/26/rachel-maddow-rooted-steele-dossier-be-true-then-it-fell-apart/

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« Reply #1083 on: December 28, 2019, 12:25:05 AM »
^^
Does this leave her broadcasts full of bunk? 8)
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« Reply #1084 on: December 30, 2019, 05:01:37 PM »
From the US

Top Iraq militia chief warns of tough response to U.S. air strikes
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-usa/top-iraq-militia-chief-warns-of-tough-response-to-us-air-strikes-idUSKBN1YY0II

The U.S. military carried out air strikes on Sunday against the Iranian-backed Kataib Hezbollah militia group in response to the killing of a U.S. civilian contractor in a rocket attack on an Iraqi military base, officials said.

... There was no immediate comment from the Iraqi government on the air strikes. Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi, who is backed by Iran and its allies, resigned last month as the protests continued but has remained in office in a caretaker capacity.

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US versions of the story left somethings out ...

From Germany

US hits back at Iran-linked militia in Iraq after rocket attack
https://www.dw.com/en/us-hits-back-at-iran-linked-militia-in-iraq-after-rocket-attack/a-51829278

The US has attacked an Iranian-backed militia inside Syria and Iraq in retaliation for a rocket attack on a base that killed an American contractor. Pro-Iranian militia and the Iraqi government condemned the US action.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31651/u-s-strikes-iranian-proxy-force-bases-in-iraq-and-syria-following-deadly-rocket-attack

Iraqi President Bahram Salih says US attack on PMF (Hashd) is a violation of Iraqi sovereignty.

Spox of the commander of #Iraq’s Armed Forces, said during a live interview on state television, the U.S. Secretary of Defense Mark Esper informed the Iraqi Prime Minister half an hour prior to the US airstrikes against #Iran-backed militia positions.

Spox said that #Iraq's PM "expressed his strong objection to this unilateral decision and his concern that it would lead to further escalation and demanded that he [Esper] stop it [airstrikes] immediately.”

Spokesman of the commander of #Iraq’s Armed Forces, Abdelkarim Khalaf, said during a live INTV on state TV that “these strikes represents a treacherous stab in the back.”.
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« Reply #1085 on: December 31, 2019, 09:18:25 AM »
Media silence on OPCW lies:

"published by WikiLeaks Friday, further exposing the official report on an alleged 2018 chemical weapons attack in Douma—a suburb of Damascus then held by CIA-backed Islamist forces—as having been doctored to justify an attack by the United States, Britain and France against the Syrian government."

"completely blacked out by the mainstream media in the United States and Europe."

“Please get this document out of DRA [Documents Registry Archive]... And please remove all traces, if any, of its delivery/storage/whatever"

"observations from the investigators and experts, countering the official narrative, were likewise excluded from the final OPCW report."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/opcw-d28.html

"a Google News search for this story brings up an article by RT, another by Al-Masdar News, and some entries by alternative outlets you’ve almost certainly never heard of like UrduPoint News and People’s Pundit Daily."

"The mass media’s stone-dead silence on the OPCW scandal is becoming its own scandal, of equal or perhaps even greater significance than the OPCW scandal itself. "

"multiple Newsweek editors telling Haddad that they would not publish a word about the OPCW leaks"

"Our fearless media watchdogs still maintaining complete blackout on OPCW whistleblower leaks debunking WMD attack in Douma."

"In order to perception manage us any harder, these freaks are going to have to go around literally confiscating our ears and eyeballs."

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/12/28/medias-deafening-silence-on-latest-wikileaks-drops-is-its-own-scandal/

If you dont read the news you are disinformed. If you do, you are misinformed.

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« Reply #1086 on: December 31, 2019, 09:22:19 AM »
Wikrent has a nice obituary on Greider at ian welsh's blog: a giant who walked among us

Among many other noteworthy pieces, links to Greider takedowns of Krugman.

https://www.ianwelsh.net/william-greider-in-memoriam-1936-2019/

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« Reply #1087 on: December 31, 2019, 10:12:01 AM »
^^Let's not forget what is being done to Assange.


He's paying a terrible price for allowing us to peek out the window.
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« Reply #1088 on: December 31, 2019, 01:08:20 PM »
... and Chelsea Manning. And Ed Snowden!

You have a tendency to forget to include them, Terry. ;) :P
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« Reply #1089 on: December 31, 2019, 06:49:34 PM »
^^
You're right about me ignoring their contribution, and the horrible price they've paid for telling the truth.
I'll try to do better. :-[
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« Reply #1090 on: December 31, 2019, 06:59:51 PM »
:)

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« Reply #1091 on: December 31, 2019, 09:50:59 PM »
^^
Thanks so much.


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« Reply #1092 on: January 03, 2020, 02:46:12 PM »
MSM in a nutshell

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« Reply #1093 on: January 04, 2020, 10:21:53 AM »
Dancing in the streets ? Not quite.

"Witnesses in Iraq who actually watched the event said that only a handful of men carrying Iraqi flags had run - not danced - along a road while the voice of one man was heard praising the death of Qassem Soleimani of Iran in a targeted US airstrike Friday at the Baghdad airport."

"the witnesses said that the group of men was very small, that no one joined in and that the minor demonstration was over in less than two minutes."

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-video-tweeted-by-pompeo-was-authentic-his-description-of-it-was-wrong-20200104-p53oug.html

sorta like the hyped up video of the saddam statue being taken down decade and a half ago.

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« Reply #1094 on: January 06, 2020, 06:06:41 AM »
Twitter is far from reality:

"Twitter users are younger, more likely to identify as Democrats, more highly educated, and have higher incomes than U.S. adults overall."

https://www.fastcompany.com/90339526/study-confirms-twitter-is-not-real-life

"the bottom 90 percent. Among that less-active group, the median user had tweeted twice total and had 19 followers. Most had never tweeted about politics"

"the top 10 percent most active users. This group was remarkably different; its members tweeted a median of 138 times a month, and 81 percent used Twitter more than once a day. These Twitter power users were much more likely to be women: 65 percent versus 48 percent for the less-active group. They were also more likely to tweet about politics,"

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/04/twitter-is-not-america/587770/

Research at:

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/04/24/sizing-up-twitter-users/

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« Reply #1095 on: January 06, 2020, 06:07:14 AM »
Naipaul on grief, written as only Naipaul can:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/01/06/the-strangeness-of-grief

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« Reply #1097 on: January 07, 2020, 10:58:52 AM »
I don't know if all of US mainstream media was like the excerpts shown in this video, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least:

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« Reply #1098 on: January 10, 2020, 02:12:53 PM »
Just beautiful to watch!

Sam SHREDS Through Pro War B.S. On MSNBC

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« Reply #1099 on: January 11, 2020, 09:40:34 PM »
First part of an interview by Scheer of Chomsky:

NC:
"the great biologist Ernst Mayr, who pointed out that–he did mention that the average life of a species–it’s been tens of billions of species–is about 100,000 years; that’s not far from us, we’re maybe 200,000 years. But the point he was making is that intelligence seems to be a kind of lethal mutation. If you look through the–what’s called biological success, what allows the species to survive and proliferate, turns out as you move up the scale of what we call intelligence, capacity to survive declines."

"we’re supposed to be the most intelligent species–we are now proving Mayr’s thesis ... we are racing to destroy the possibility of organized human life. "

"they are–and they know, certainly, that continuing to do what they do–maximize the use of fossil fuels, pour money from the banks into development of fossil fuels–they know for certain that that’s going to destroy the possibilities of organized human life, not in the very distant future."

RS:
"this is distinction without a difference between so-called liberals and conservatives. I mean, you have the Democratic Party, now is basically a warmongering party."

NC:
"the United States was dedicated to what it called an open world in which U.S. multinationals, which were just developing at the time, would be free to exploit, to gain resources, to invest without any impediments. So no closed regions, all open regions, which we would expect to dominate. "

"The idea was put nicely by Henry Kissinger: when there’s a virus that spreads contagion–the virus is independent development, out of control of the United States. If that spreads contagion to others, we’re in trouble. Others will follow the same rule; the system of domination and control will erode. How do you deal with a virus that’s spreading contagion? Well, you kill the virus and inoculate the victims so they won’t be infected. That’s exactly what was done in Vietnam. Vietnam was smashed. It’s not going to be a model to anybody. Surrounding countries were inoculated by imposing vicious, brutal military dictatorships. No infection there; they’re going to be controlled."

"And it worked."

"Japan might join this system as its industrial commercial center, and they would be, the rest of Southeast, East Asia would be the surrounding resource area. What’s that? That’s what Japan tried to construct during World War II. That’s the new order in Asia. In 1950, U.S. planners were not ready to lose the Pacific War. This was disgraceful, but rational planning. And if you think about the consequences, it pretty much worked."

"Is it the problem with the American destruction of Indochina, that there were lies and it was incompetent? No. All of this is deep-seated propaganda, internalized. We’re looking at the wrong thing, because that supports American innocence. If you say we were stupid, we made mistakes, and so on–well, we can still be the most idealistic, wonderful place in the world; anybody can make mistakes. If you look at the actual planning, and the reasoning–which was not silly, and in fact is duplicated over and over. The comment I quoted from Kissinger was about Allende. He said Chilean social democracy is a virus that might spread contagion. How is it dealt with? By installing the Pinochet dictatorship to kill it at its heart, to kill the virus. Installing brutal, vicious military dictatorships throughout the entire region. That’s pretty much duplicating the same reasoning."

" you go back to King George the Third, time of the American Revolution. His concern was that this rise of republicanism in the British colonies could be a virus that would lead to a call for republicanism elsewhere, and the whole British Empire would erode. This is standard imperial history. We’re right in the middle of it. It’s not American exceptionalism. It’s American conformity to standard imperial history, along with the propaganda of innocence, exceptionalism, and so on. And interestingly, the best and the brightest are accepting the propaganda. "

"And you look at U.S. share of GDP–it’s declined. It was maybe 40% in 1945, then maybe 25% by 1970, maybe 17% today. It looks like a decline. But take another measure. Take a look at the–here I’m quoting very interesting work by a young political economist, Ken Starrs. Suppose you look at the dominance of the economy by U.S.-based multinationals. It’s spectacular. U.S. multinationals control about 50% of the global economy, own–own 50% of it. In just about every area"

"this is the imperial model, which succeeded. It prevented other countries from moving toward independent development, and therefore led to a situation in which U.S. multinationals dominate the world. If they had moved to independent development, we’d see exactly what we’re seeing with China today. It’s moving toward independent development; U.S. is trying to prevent it. "

"That’s why the bipartisan programs are to prevent China from doing the things that make the economy successful–like industrial policy, to have a state industrial policy. We see that that’s successful; we want them to stop it. Kind of interesting, because that’s–economists and others, if they believe a word they’re saying, ought to be cheering. According to their theories, if the state intervenes in the economy, it’s going to harm the economy. But everyone knows the opposite is true. In fact, we ourselves have a massive state industrial policy. That’s why you have things like computers and the internet and so on, it’s mainly public funding. But we don’t want China to have that, because they’ll be successful, they’ll be out of our control; that we don’t want. That’s what the kind of concern was in the fifties. So I think the imperial model has been very successful. It’s led to a situation in which it’s primarily designed for the benefit of U.S. capital, which has succeeded beyond belief."

"that’s a standard imperial model that goes back way before we picked it up. And overall, it’s been pretty successful. There were things that didn’t work out. But for the main drivers of American policy, which is concentrated capital, it’s been a pretty successful system."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/noam-chomsky-america-has-built-a-global-dystopia/

I await part two.

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