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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #700 on: November 30, 2018, 05:37:35 AM »
Okay, that's enough, Rob Dekker and Martin Gisser are on board. Anybody denying the veracity, nay truth, of this article, is a paid Russian troll. Show the evidence that proves the opposite (No, that doesn't count. That doesn't count either. Neither does that. See, you have no proof. Putin loses).

Science!

Ah! Such a perfect example of "projecting".

I've never discarded any evidence you put forward, Neven. The problem is that you don't present much evidence at all. Mostly just fact-free opinions and Jimmy Dore conspiracy theories.

You DO on the other hand consistently discard evidence if it is from a source that dares to speak out against your beloved Putin.

Like Bellingcat, Browder, the UK, the US, the EU, Mueller, the Dutch Safety Board, the MH17 JIT and anyone else who still uses rational thought and evidence based reasoning to reach conclusions about what its the TRUTH.

If you think we are done using evidence to expose Russian lies, then I'm sorry to disappoint you, because :


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« Reply #701 on: November 30, 2018, 06:00:09 AM »
Modarresi at middleeasteye on history, first as tragedy and then as farce.

Middle Eastern oil rich nation ? Check.
Crazy, brutal killer as dictator ? Check.
US support as counterweight to Iran ? Check.

Bonesaw, Saud ? No, Hussein, Iraq.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/why-bin-salman-modern-day-saddam-must-go-340485853

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« Reply #702 on: November 30, 2018, 06:54:20 AM »
Modarresi at middleeasteye on history, first as tragedy and then as farce.

Middle Eastern oil rich nation ? Check.
Crazy, brutal killer as dictator ? Check.
US support as counterweight to Iran ? Check.

Bonesaw, Saud ? No, Hussein, Iraq.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/why-bin-salman-modern-day-saddam-must-go-340485853

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Finally some movement against Trump's love affair with Saudi Arabia :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pompeo-mattis-to-brief-senate-on-saudi-arabia-khashoggi-and-yemen/2018/11/27/ee4e36c0-f28a-11e8-bc79-68604ed88993_story.html?utm_term=.53a877fcf350

The Senate on Wednesday delivered a historic rebuke of Saudi Arabia and President Trump’s handling of the fallout over journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s killing last month, as a decisive majority voted to advance a measure to end U.S. military support for the Saudi-led war in Yemen.

The 63-to-37 vote is only an initial procedural step, but it nonetheless represents an unprecedented challenge to the security relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia. The vote was prompted by lawmakers’ growing frustration with Trump for defending Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s denials of culpability in Khashoggi’s death, despite the CIA’s finding that he had almost certainly ordered the killing.
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« Reply #703 on: November 30, 2018, 08:22:24 AM »
From the Guardian article:

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A separate internal document written by Ecuador’s Senain intelligence agency and seen by the Guardian lists “Paul Manaford [sic]” as one of several well-known guests. It also mentions “Russians”.

Okay, that's enough, Rob Dekker and Martin Gisser are on board. Anybody denying the veracity, nay truth, of this article, is a paid Russian troll. Show the evidence that proves the opposite (No, that doesn't count. That doesn't count either. Neither does that. See, you have no proof. Putin loses).

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At the very same time Manafort is being accused of lying to Mueller's team over his plea deal requirements and Manafort's lawyers refute that 100%. Nice co-incidence. Gosh how could you trusts anything Manafort has to say, look, he was seeing Julian Assange in London in MARCH 2016 .... OMG it's a conspiracy to steal the elections from Hillary.

This is so obvious to all. It's gotta be true.

But I have a default position as a possible out here - whatever Rob stays is true I will believe the opposite. I always put my money on consistency! :)

I'll promise you this The Australian Government, no matter which party holds the majority, will not lift a little finger to help Julian Assange .... including not bringing him home and not protecting him from this fraudulent politically motivated extradition to the USA. The same as they abandoned the two Australians tortured in Gitmo and elsewhere by the CIA beforehand, who were there on Trumped Up Fraudulent charges for years, and now ruined for life by the after effects of PTSD.

The only thing that will save Julian Assange now is a people's revolution in the US - and y'all know that ain't gonna happen.
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« Reply #704 on: November 30, 2018, 08:28:25 AM »
Finally some movement against Trump's love affair with Saudi Arabia :

Ah yes, Saudi Arabia the desperate but beautiful attractive lover who was wrenched out of the loving arms of Hillary under protest! Now she just feels jilted and deeply hurt like all lovers having illicit affairs eventually do.
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« Reply #705 on: November 30, 2018, 09:36:03 AM »
Okay, that's enough, Rob Dekker and Martin Gisser are on board. Anybody denying the veracity, nay truth, of this article, is a paid Russian troll. Show the evidence that proves the opposite (No, that doesn't count. That doesn't count either. Neither does that. See, you have no proof. Putin loses).

Science!

Ah! Such a perfect example of "projecting".



I thought you were leaving?

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I said that you ain't seen nothing yet :

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« Reply #706 on: November 30, 2018, 09:46:23 AM »
Of course, it's Trump's love affair with Saudi Arabia. When the next Democratic president comes along and sells bombs and rockets to SA for billions of dollars, it will all be great again.

I wanted to say 'Hear no evil, see no evil', but it's actually 'Only hear half of evil, only see half of evil', which is exactly how the system stays hidden and doesn't have to change. Doing the same thing, over and over again, for thousands of years, until everything is f**ed.
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« Reply #707 on: November 30, 2018, 02:09:25 PM »
26 Oct, 2017 - Revealed: How Twitter pushed RT to spend big on 2016 US election

At the end of September (2017), Twitter published a report titled ‘Russian interference in 2016 US elections, bots, & misinformation’ which included confidential data on RT ad campaigns and implied that the channel was trying to influence Twitter users via advertising on the platform.

This absolutely groundless and greatly-misleading association compels us to reveal the details of the 2016 negotiations during which Twitter representatives pitched to RT a large-sum advertising proposal. It was developed around promoting RT’s US election coverage on the micro-blogging platform. This proposal was eventually declined by RT.

We want to emphasize that, unlike our partners at Twitter, at this time we are not releasing any financial details from that proposal, nor the names of people involved in these negotiations, as we value and respect our partnerships and the confidentiality of contracts.

The goal of this disclosure is to provide the facts: that RT has never been involved in any illegal activity online, and that it never pursued an agenda of influencing the US election through any platforms, including Twitter.

Here are the facts:

    RT never violated any rules while advertising on Twitter.
    RT has never dealt with, and will never deal with, bots or any other compromised tools on any social media platform.
    RT has never spread any sort of deliberate misinformation. If we had, RT would have been banned by any social media platform in question, as all of them have strict rules regarding policy violations.
    RT always has been, is, and will be a reliable partner and publisher on global social media networks which provide opportunities for all media to reach new and diverse audiences.

Twitter to RT: ‘Spend big to take a stand’ in 2016
The RT and Twitter teams held a number of direct negotiations, during which we brainstormed potential media strategy ahead of American elections in 2016. The first meeting dates back to as early as April 2016, and involved senior marketing and news partnerships managers from Twitter.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/407858-rt-twitter-us-election/

Part 2, the details

27 Oct, 2017 - Twitter’s multi-million dollar US election pitch to RT revealed in FULL

On Thursday, the micro-blogging platform announced a policy decision to ban ads from RT and Sputnik, citing alleged meddling in the 2016 US election.

It followed Twitter’s report implying that RT was trying to influence US public opinion, crucially without providing context that virtually all news media organizations spend money on advertising their news coverage.

RT was thereby forced to reveal some details of the 2016 negotiations during which Twitter representatives made an exclusive multi-million dollar advertising proposal to spend big during the US presidential election, which was turned down.

Having since been banned, and in order to set the record straight, we are publishing Twitter’s presentation and details of the offer in full.
https://www.rt.com/news/407919-twitter-multi-million-offer-rt/
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« Reply #708 on: December 01, 2018, 04:08:41 AM »
But I have a default position as a possible out here - whatever Rob stays is true I will believe the opposite. I always put my money on consistency! :)

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« Reply #709 on: December 01, 2018, 11:58:21 AM »
Though it cannot be verified, the odds are that the illusion of informational choice is more pervasive in the United States than anywhere else in the world. The illusion is sustained by a willingness, deliberately maintained by information controllers, to mistake abundance of media for diversity of content. It is easy to believe that a nation that has more than 6.700 commercial radio stations [1975], in excess of 700 commercial TV stations, 1,500 daily newspapers, hundreds of periodicals, a film industry that produces a couple of hundred new features a year, and a billion-dollar private book-publishing industry provides a rich variety of information and entertainment to its people.

The fact of the matter is that, except for a rather small and highly selective segment of the population who know what they are looking for and can therefore take advantage of the massive communications flow, most Americans are basically, though unconsciously, trapped in what amounts to a no-choice informational bind. True variety of opinion, as opposed to superficial differences, on foreign and domestic news or, for that matter, local community business, hardly exists in the media. This results essentially from the inherent identity of interests, material and, ideological, of property-holders (in this case, the private owners of the communications media), and from the monopolistic character of the communications industry in general.

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THE BIG MEDIA HOAX
What the American media offer is not a well-informed diversity of views by a long shot, but brute quantity, “numerosity”, groupthink, and a tedious and dangerous repetition of the same official viewpoint, always designed to bolster the status quo. To aggravate matters, the American media are well known for their tendency to travel in packs, the trademark of groupthink, and, at any moment to carpet bomb the American mind with any propaganda line, no matter how silly, outrageous and lacking in evidence, ordered by their wealthy owners or hidden intelligence and military agency controllers. The current unrelenting Russiagate campaign and hysterical demonisation of any enemy of Washington’s global supremacist project, is a case in point. It is but the latest of numerous efforts to control the national and global narrative regardless of costs to the general population at home or billions of people outside America’s frontiers.
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« Reply #710 on: December 01, 2018, 12:03:19 PM »
But I have a default position as a possible out here - whatever Rob stays is true I will believe the opposite. I always put my money on consistency! :)

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His name is obviously boR.
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« Reply #711 on: December 01, 2018, 12:05:44 PM »
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Tuesday dismissed the findings of a government report that warned of the impending consequences of climate change, claiming it's "not based on facts."

“The president’s certainly leading on what matters most in this process, and that’s on having clean air, clean water,” Sanders told reporters at a press briefing. “In fact, the United States continues to be a leader on that front.”
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« Reply #712 on: December 03, 2018, 07:03:51 AM »
First coming to public attention during the Vietnam War protest period Noam Chomsky has not been  interviewed nor referenced by the NYTs since the 1970s. That surely says something about their standards of Journalism and their Values.

Chomsky & Krauss: An Origins Project Dialogue 2015

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« Reply #713 on: December 03, 2018, 09:02:25 AM »
But I have a default position as a possible out here - whatever Rob stays is true I will believe the opposite. I always put my money on consistency! :)

OK. I don't believe we have been introduced yet.
Hi. My name is Rob.
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His name is obviously boR.

I will name him Krul (Dutch for "curl").

This matches very nicely with the twisted/opposite reality he wants to believe.
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« Reply #714 on: December 03, 2018, 12:38:17 PM »

This way of ‘making’ the news is not limited to the Guardian, and it’s not limited to its coverage of WikiLeaks. We must ask ourselves every step of the way if we can still call this sort of thing ‘news’, ‘coverage’ and ‘reporting’. Let’s hope both WikiLeaks and Paul Manafort sue the paper, but apparently they’ll need a lot of money to do it. An additional layer of protection for fake news.

The Guardian is not just after Assange, and it’s not just Luke Harding writing hit pieces. Here are the paper’s editors on November 30. The fallout of the Manafort/Assange piece has made them sort of careful in that they say: “what we say is probably not true, but imagine if it were! Wouldn’t that be terrible?!”
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America’s Compromised Leader (Guardian Op-Ed)

Earlier this week Donald Trump stood on the south lawn of the White House and ridiculed Theresa May’s Brexit agreement as a “great deal for the EU”. He is likely to make the same contemptuous case during the G20 summit in Argentina this weekend, although pointedly there is no planned bilateral. Given the political stakes facing her back home, Mrs May must feel as if 14,000 miles is a long way to travel for the weekend merely to be trashed by supposedly her greatest ally. When this happens, though, who does Mrs May imagine is confronting her? Is it just Mr Trump himself, America First president, sworn enemy of the international order in general and the European Union in particular?

That’s a bad enough reality. But might her accuser also be, at some level, Vladimir Putin, a leader whose interest in weakening the EU and breaking Britain from it as damagingly as possible outdoes even that of Mr Trump?

That prospect is even worse. Such speculation would normally seem, and still probably is, a step too far. The idea that a US president is in any way doing the Kremlin’s business as well as his own is the stuff of spy thrillers and of John le Carré TV adaptations. Yet the icy fact is that the conspiracy theory may now also contain an element of truth.

[..] Days before he took office in 2017, Mr Trump said that “the closest I came to Russia” was in selling a Florida property to a Russian oligarch in 2008. If Mr Cohen’s statement is true, Mr Trump was telling his country a lie. What is more, the Russians knew it. Potentially, that raises issues of US national security. If Mr Putin knew that Mr Trump was concealing information about his Russian business interests, this could give Moscow leverage over the US leader. Mr Trump might feel constrained to praise Mr Putin or to avoid conflicts with Russia over policy. All this may indeed be very far-fetched. Yet Russia’s activities in the 2016 election against Hillary Clinton and in favour of Mr Trump are not fiction.

They prompted the setting up of the Mueller inquiry into links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Another document this week suggests a longtime Trump adviser, Roger Stone, may have sought information about WikiLeaks plans to release hacked Democratic party emails in 2016. There is nothing in the documents released this week that proves that Mr Trump conspired with Russian efforts to win him the presidency.

Yet those efforts were real. For two years, Mr Trump has gone to unprecedented lengths to attack the special counsel. After November’s midterms, he seemed on the verge of firing Mr Mueller. He may yet do so. But this week’s charges suggest that there is plenty more still to be revealed. Mr Trump still has questions to answer from the investigating authorities, from the new Congress – and from America’s long-suffering allies.
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You see what they do, and how they do it? Big statement, and then say it’s probably not true. Post Manafort/Assange disaster piece, their lawyers have provided a way to legally make outrageous claims. It’s still smear, and it’s still slander, but they’ve already covered their asses by saying it’s probably a step too far. Still managed to say it though… And hey, what’s not to like about the phrase “..America’s long-suffering allies”?

Also on November 30, the Guardian ran the following piece. Note the headline. And realize there never was a deal. Which the article acknowledges of course. Just not in the headline.


https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2018/12/smear-slander-rinse-and-repeat/

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« Reply #715 on: December 03, 2018, 01:32:54 PM »
I think both those articles quite nails it. I was going to quote key parts of the of the BS & spin manipulations in the guardian missive, but why waste my time. People either see it, and get it, or they don't and never will.
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« Reply #716 on: December 03, 2018, 02:07:36 PM »
For years, the Guardian website, or actually it's Environment section, used to be the first thing I saw every time I opened a new browser window or tab. I recently found out that they dumped Dana Nuccitelli and John Abraham as (unpaid) columnists for the Environment. All they have left now, is an occasional Monbiot column. That's it. The Guardian is dead.
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« Reply #717 on: December 04, 2018, 03:09:31 AM »
The noose further tightens as another witness refutes The Guardian's excursion into fiction. The UK fortunately has very strong laws against libel. Could Assange end up owning a slice of the venerable but suddenly vulnerable newspaper after the trial/settlement?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-03/top-ecuadorian-diplomat-london-embassy-destroys-guardians-claim-paul-manafort

Perhaps the "fake news" pandemic could be brought to a screeching halt if libel laws around the world were strictly enforced?
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« Reply #718 on: December 04, 2018, 03:52:13 AM »

Perhaps the "fake news" pandemic could be brought to a screeching halt if libel laws around the world were strictly enforced?


as long as they can tell (ask) whether someone is a whatever they like by simply adding a question mark to make it a legal there's no way.

making false statements or asking question that damage the reputation of those who ask express unpopular opinion or ask unpopular questens should be treated (sentenced) like false testimonies and perjury in court.

a businessman who makes some money with  false and/or misleading statements goes to jail for fraud, sine newspapers make money with news it's nothing but fraud to discredit people without proof by asking the right questions.
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« Reply #719 on: December 04, 2018, 12:52:33 PM »
Every so often I like to write an article describing exactly what I’m about in the interests of transparency, and for the benefit of any new followers who aren’t quite sure what they’re looking at here. It’s a good exercise for me because it allows me to clarify for myself exactly why I got into this gig and what specifically I’m trying to get out of it, and it lays all my intentions on the table so readers can decide if I’m their cup of tea or not.

Brief bio: I am Australian, lived in Melbourne nearly all of my life, two kids, twice married and once divorced. I got a journalism degree in 2003 but figured out long before completing the course that the media deck is stacked so far against truth that I wouldn’t be able to do the kind of work I wanted to do, so I did some environmental activism while paying the bills with corporate work. I had a bunch of transformative personal experiences during that time period, then in 2016 I got a job at a self-publishing news outlet where I quickly gained an audience for my opinion articles about the Bernie Sanders movement (which arose from a commentary void I’d noticed needed filling while I was participating in Bernie Facebook groups). In 2017 I got a Patreon account and became a fully crowd-funded writer who is answerable to no one, a privileged position I exploit to its fullest in saying things I think need to be said regardless of the taboos against saying them.

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« Reply #720 on: December 05, 2018, 12:43:11 AM »
The Guardian’s Vilification of Julian Assange
December 3, 2018
By Jonathon Cook (ex-Guardian Journalist) via Consortium News website

Extracts:
The Guardian did not make a mistake in vilifying Assange without a shred of evidence. It did what it is designed to do.

The propaganda function of the piece is patent. It is intended to provide evidence for long-standing allegations that Assange conspired with Trump, and Trump’s supposed backers in the Kremlin, to damage Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential race.

The emotional impact of The Guardian is to suggest that Assange is responsible for four years or more of Trump rule. But more significantly, it bolsters the otherwise risible claim that Assange is not a publisher – and thereby entitled to the protections of a free press, as enjoyed by The Guardian or The New York Times – but the head of an organization engaged in espionage for a foreign power.

The intention is to deeply discredit Assange
, and by extension the Wikileaks organization, in the eyes of right-thinking liberals. That, in turn, will make it much easier to silence Assange and the vital cause he represents:

It will soften opposition when the UK moves to arrest Assange on self-serving bail violation charges and extradites him to the US. And it will pave the way for the US legal system to lock Assange up for a very long time.

Even when a United Nations panel of experts in international law ruled in 2016 that Assange was being arbitrarily – and unlawfully – detained by the UK, Guardian writers led efforts to discredit the UN report.

Now Assange and his supporters have been proved right once again. An administrative error this month revealed that the US justice department had secretly filed criminal charges against Assange.

The idea that Manafort or “Russians” could have wandered into the embassy to meet Assange even once without their trail, entry and meeting being intimately scrutinized and recorded is simply preposterous.
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The truth is The Guardian has not erred in this latest story attacking Assange, or in its much longer-running campaign to vilify him. With this story, it has done what it regularly does when supposedly vital western foreign policy interests are at stake – it simply regurgitates an elite-serving, western narrative.

Its job is to shore up a consensus on the left for attacks on leading threats to the existing, neoliberal order: whether they are a platform like WikiLeaks promoting whistle-blowing against a corrupt western elite; or a politician like Corbyn seeking to break apart the status quo on the rapacious financial industries or Israel-Palestine; ... The Guardian did not make a mistake in vilifying Assange without a shred of evidence. It did what it is designed to do.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/03/the-guardians-vilification-of-julian-assange/
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« Reply #721 on: December 05, 2018, 01:48:43 AM »
Reflecting what Neven recently said, Jimmy Dore concurs:
"Um turns out a lot of people who say they're progressive are really secretive right-wingers! Did you know that?"

Jimmy continues: "So then after that Guardian story got debunked, there's Politico. So now you
see how the coordination works. It's not just one Western news outlet in bed with the Intelligence Agencies doing their bidding and pushing propaganda like The Guardian. Politico prints an even more unbelievably bullshit story."


Under the Law and Order section Politico says it is written by a Alex Finley, but:
"Alex Finley isn't a real person! They got a fake persona (ex-CIA Agent) to write a (fake) story saying that it was the Russian intelligence that duped The Guardian into writing that story! Even I couldn't make this shit up!"



Extract quoting Jonathon Cook:
"If it wasn't obvious to you last week that there is an unelected power establishment which needs above all else to control the public narrative about what's going on in the world it should certainly be obvious to you this week.

The Guardian hit piece was so spectacularly overreaching in its overreaching to advance a narrative which has been used to manufacture support for longtime CIA MI6 agendas they were so spectacularly overreaching in they're propaganda that they completely exposed themselves as an establishment PsyOps firm that it is."


Jimmy again: 
"Look at all the bullshit stories they launched. So you see so many things they got, one of them's got to be true. That's what how propaganda works!

"They just keep saying it over and over and over and over again. But then they overreach so badly they got exposed. And look now, this spook is trying to convince everybody that Luke Harding isn't a f****** tool."


"Remember, what they don't tell you in the  press. The reason why they're going after Julian in that sealed indictment has nothing do with the 2016 campaign (RussiaGate) it's got to do with the war crimes he revealed." [and the US Diplomatic Cables & CIA Vault 7 releases!]

Will The Guardian lose it's Facebook page for all this Fake news? No, because it's fake news that aids the establishment. There's never a price to pay. There's a price to pay for telling the truth about the establishment. There's never a price to pay for lying for the establishment."
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« Reply #722 on: December 05, 2018, 02:18:46 AM »
Eucadorian footsoldier of Monroe doctrine revealed as coauthor of Guardian story on Assange-Manafort

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    Video: Guardian mysteriously hid third author of fabricated front page story "Manafort Held Secret Meetings With Assange" -- as revealed by direct digital archive library. Compare to the Guardian's online version the world saw. Villavicencio background:.https://t.co/KX80IrScyl pic.twitter.com/k6X4cHM6FB

    — WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) December 3, 2018



    Vos: The Guardian’s Reputation In Tatters After Forger Revealed To Have Co-Authored Assange Smear https://t.co/S3cC3VbqNw

    — WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) December 4, 2018

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Long read on Monroe enforcers and related matters:

https://jimmysllama.com/2018/06/07/11347/

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« Reply #723 on: December 05, 2018, 02:21:00 AM »
Which journalists are not on the take might be an easier question than which ones are: FusionGPS paid journalists

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fusion-gps-paid-journalists-court-papers-confirm

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« Reply #724 on: December 05, 2018, 02:28:58 AM »
I love Wayback Machine. Used it myself to pull the rug out from under the feet of many a liar.

Ref'd by the Wikleaks Twitter account:

The falsified evidence that led to inaccurate claims about Ecuador in The Guardian.
27 de Mayo de 2014

There is also evidence that the author of this falsified document is Fernando Villavicencio, a convicted slanderer and opponent of Ecuador’s current government. This can be seen from the file properties of the document that The Guardian had originally posted (but which it has since taken down and replaced with a version with this evidence removed).

Likewise there is evidence that this falsification was carried out years after the loan discussions had ended. The original document, with the crossing out, was created in 2009 (the year the discussions were taking place). Yet the document on The Guardian’s website was created on 7 February 2013. Obviously it is impossible for an authentic document from 2009 talks to be created in 2013.

The evidence showing the date of creation and the name of the author of the document originally uploaded on The Guardian can be seen in this video:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181205012310/http://reinounido.embajada.gob.ec/the-falsified-evidence-that-led-to-inaccurate-claims-about-ecuador-in-the-guardian/

The Truth About Fernando Villavicencio, the Guardian’s Source for Their Anti-Assange Campaign
By Llama on June 7, 2018

(When Democrat Barack Obama was the President!)

According to Telesurtv.net, USAID’s 2010 budget for Ecuador exceeded $38 million and NED put aside a spending budget of over $1 million including $65,000 to right-wing groups.  The large majority of these groups and programs that NED funded were in direct opposition to former Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa.  It was also reported that during a 2010 coup attempt to overthrow Correa, USAID and NED-funded groups and individuals connected with the Pachakutik political party supported the uprising.

It’s no secret that the CIA uses USAID and NED as a vehicle to force political change in Latin America so it’s not hard to guess that the foreign NGOs, organizations, and individuals that USAID and NED support essentially do the intelligence agency’s bidding.  And in terms of Ecuador and Julian Assange, it seems that Fernando Villavicencio might just be one of the CIA’s stool pigeons.
https://jimmysllama.com/2018/06/07/11347/

The Guardian’s Reputation In Tatters After Forger Revealed To Have Co-Authored Assange Smear

Regular followers of WikiLeaks-related news are at this point familiar with the multiple serious infractions of journalistic ethics by Luke Harding and the Guardian, especially (though not exclusively) when it comes to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks. However, another individual at the heart of this matter is far less familiar to the public. That man is Fernando Villavicencio, a prominent Ecuadorian political activist and journalist, director of the USAID-funded NGO Fundamedios and editor of online publication FocusEcuador.
https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/12/the-guardians-reputation-in-tatters-after-forger-revealed-to-have-co-authored-assange-smear/

During 2016 and since the crazies in America have just been assuming, without evidence, that Russia must have been doing what the USA has always been doing when it comes to other nations elections. Such are vagaries of guilt ridden Paranoia - "our enemies must be even worse than ourselves!"
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« Reply #725 on: December 05, 2018, 04:48:41 AM »
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The 3 links you posted above are must reads for anyone trying to understand much of what's been written in the MSM over the last few years. I'd advise reading the jimmysllama piece first to get a better feeling for some of the people and organizations involved.
With The Guardian's cover being blown will the spooks back off, or will they increase the load to their American newspapers?
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« Reply #726 on: December 05, 2018, 08:18:52 AM »
Re: Guardian, Harding article

I think Harding got sucked in over the last couple years. He didn't do his homework, relied on official sources, didn't see he was being played. In the latest debacle, we see Villavicencio exposed with merely cursory search.

More difficult is the issue of Guardian editorial scrutiny apparently nonexistent.

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« Reply #727 on: December 05, 2018, 12:27:29 PM »
From 3 months ago

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« Reply #728 on: December 05, 2018, 12:43:19 PM »
Sometimes Jimmy is irresistible. Nothing really new here, it's very old news, aka facts, been all over the internet and social media for a decade these simple Maps of Palestine, but a CNN Commentator got fired for saying much much worse during a UN speech in his own time.

Warning there's a 100 times more F's in this video than normal for Jimmy he is 'right pissed' - adults only please.



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Why did CNN fire a pro-Palestinian commentator?
Cornel West
No one gets closer to peace by silencing voices critical of a lethal status quo. We need a candid debate about the grim catastrophe unfolding in Israel
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Building on the heroic Palestinian tradition of critique and resistance – best manifest in the words and life of Edward Said in the US context – Hill unsettled the toxic status quo and received its knee-jerk response: he was cast as an antisemite and promptly silenced from mainstream media.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/04/why-did-cnn-fire-a-pro-palestinian-commentator

Who is Cornel West?

Dr. Cornel West is an American philosopher, author, critic, actor, civil rights activist and leading member of Democratic Socialists of America. Professor of the Practice of Public Philosophy at Harvard University.  Cornel West exemplifies gravitas.
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« Reply #729 on: December 05, 2018, 07:20:21 PM »
Whoever controls the narrative controls the world. The unelected power establishment which rules over us depends on narrative control in order to rule, and if people do not trust the plutocrat-owned talking heads who are telling them what narratives to believe, there can be no control. In France we’ve been seeing uncontrollable protesters from across the political spectrum writing “We’ve chopped off heads for less than this” in graffiti on the Arc de Triomphe, which you may be certain has widened plutocratic eyes all around the world.


“The Yellow Vests will Triumph”—graffiti on Paris Arc de Triomphe. Beginning to scare the burgos, and their crimes and abuses cannot be put back in the box that easily and more repression may not work—and then what?
And that, I believe, is why the mass media has been behaving so strangely. For two years they have been reaching and leaning all over the place trying to regain control of the narrative like a novice ice skater trying to regain balance, and they are only getting closer to falling. Which probably makes the present moment the perfect time to give them a good shove. Spread truth about the mass media’s deceptions like the Guardian‘s psyop against WikiLeaks, wake people up to what they’re trying to accomplish by herding people into partisan echo chambers, arresting Assange, censoring the internet, and marginalizing alternative media which provides dissident narratives.

The only thing keeping the many from rising like lions against the few to create a new world which benefits everyone is the establishment propaganda machine, and right now it is wildly off balance. Shove hard, and don’t stop shoving until it falls.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/05/msm-is-getting-weirder-more-frantic-and-more-desperate-by-the-day/

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/04/politico-caught-running-cia-propaganda-about-assange/

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« Reply #731 on: December 09, 2018, 11:34:10 AM »
The following is from Forbes, I checked the "list" on propornot and they aren't on it so this must be sound.

Those who see climate change as a dire and urgent threat have some work to do to convince voters in the Western democracies to give up their way of life in exchange for unspecified benefits of a slightly less warm world—and that’s assuming China, India and over a billion people in Africa can be convinced not to try to pull themselves out of poverty—something that may only be done with greater use of fossil fuels.

Thus, one well-worn tactic employed by those who would presume to tell the rest of us how to live, where to live, and how to work—all of the good of the planet, of course—is the alarmist study, making copious use of lies of omission and commission.

An example of the former can be seen in the new National Climate Assessment. The report’s first chapter lists recent natural disasters, citing this summer’s deadly Carr Fire in California as an example. But while the report seeks to link wildfire to climate change, it glosses over the real reason fires have grown in intensity and size: the 30 years of increased environmental restrictions on logging, brush clearance and preventive burns that caused a massive and dangerous fuel buildup—a problem that was predicted years ago and has nothing to do with global warming.

The sin of commission in the service of scaring middle class voters into doing that they’re supposed to can be seen in an economic modeling study paid for by our federal tax dollars as well as underwritten by two billionaires who would be president: Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg. Here we’re told that the U.S. economy will take a 10% hit by 2100 unless we reduce our carbon emissions. Two problems, though: the authors assume the worst-case and least likely scenario, with average temperatures more than 14 degrees Fahrenheit hotter by 2100; and they derive two-thirds of their economic losses estimate by claiming a large amount of premature deaths due to the hotter temperatures.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/12/07/paris-is-burning-over-climate-change-taxes-is-america-next/amp/

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« Reply #732 on: December 09, 2018, 12:23:23 PM »
A good example, of this Big-Brother operation, is America’s Politifact, the online site which is at America’s crossover where ‘news’ and ‘history’ meet one-another. It’s controlled by billionaires such as the one who founded Craigslist. Millions of Americans go to Politifact in order to determine what is true and what is false that is being widely published about current events. The present writer sometimes links to their articles, where I have independently verified that there are no misrepresentations in an article. But, like the ‘news’-media that it judges, Politifact is also a propaganda-agency for the (U.S.-Saud-Israeli) Deep State, and so it deceives on the most critically important international matters. An example of this occurred right after the U.S. regime had overthrown in February 2014 in a bloody coup the democratically elected Government of Ukraine, and replaced it by a rabidly anti-Russian racist fascist or nazi Government on Russia’s doorstep, a regime that was selected by the rabidly anti-Russian (but lying that it wasn’t) Obama regime. This Politifact article was dated 31 March 2014, right after over 90% of Crimeans had just voted in a referendum, to rejoin Russia, and to depart from Ukraine, which the Soviet dictator had transferred them to, separating them from Russia, in 1954. (None of that history of the matter was even mentioned by Politifact.) The Politifact article was titled “Viral meme says United States has ‘invaded’ 22 countries in the past 20 years”, and it was designed to deceive readers into believing that “Russia’s recent annexation of Crimea” reflected the real instance of “invasion” that Americans should be outraged against — to deflect away from America’s recent history as being the world’s actual invasion-nation. This propaganda-article said nothing at all about either Crimea or Ukraine except in its opening line: “A Facebook meme argues that Americans are pretty two-faced when it comes to Russia’s recent annexation of Crimea.” It then proceeded to document that the exact number of American invasions during the prior 20 years wasn’t 22, and so Politifact declared the allegation “false” (as if the exact number were really the entire issue or even the main one, and as if America’s scandalous recent history of invasions were not).

So, it’s on account of such drowning-in-propaganda, that the U.S. public not only respect what U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower derogatorily called the “military-industrial complex,” but respect it above even the U.S. Presidency itself, and above all other U.S. institutions (as Gallup’s constant polling demonstrates to be the case).


https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/08/how-big-brother-grips-americans-minds-to-support-invasions/

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« Reply #733 on: December 09, 2018, 02:50:05 PM »
A good example, of this Big-Brother operation, is America’s Politifact, the online site which is at America’s crossover where ‘news’ and ‘history’ meet one-another. It’s controlled by billionaires such as the one who founded Craigslist. Millions of Americans go to Politifact in order to determine what is true and what is false that is being widely published about current events. The present writer sometimes links to their articles, where I have independently verified that there are no misrepresentations in an article. But, like the ‘news’-media that it judges, Politifact is also a propaganda-agency for the (U.S.-Saud-Israeli) Deep State, and so it deceives on the most critically important international matters. An example of this occurred right after the U.S. regime had overthrown in February 2014 in a bloody coup the democratically elected Government of Ukraine, and replaced it by a rabidly anti-Russian racist fascist or nazi Government on Russia’s doorstep, a regime that was selected by the rabidly anti-Russian (but lying that it wasn’t) Obama regime. This Politifact article was dated 31 March 2014, right after over 90% of Crimeans had just voted in a referendum, to rejoin Russia, and to depart from Ukraine, which the Soviet dictator had transferred them to, separating them from Russia, in 1954. (None of that history of the matter was even mentioned by Politifact.) The Politifact article was titled “Viral meme says United States has ‘invaded’ 22 countries in the past 20 years”, and it was designed to deceive readers into believing that “Russia’s recent annexation of Crimea” reflected the real instance of “invasion” that Americans should be outraged against — to deflect away from America’s recent history as being the world’s actual invasion-nation. This propaganda-article said nothing at all about either Crimea or Ukraine except in its opening line: “A Facebook meme argues that Americans are pretty two-faced when it comes to Russia’s recent annexation of Crimea.” It then proceeded to document that the exact number of American invasions during the prior 20 years wasn’t 22, and so Politifact declared the allegation “false” (as if the exact number were really the entire issue or even the main one, and as if America’s scandalous recent history of invasions were not).

So, it’s on account of such drowning-in-propaganda, that the U.S. public not only respect what U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower derogatorily called the “military-industrial complex,” but respect it above even the U.S. Presidency itself, and above all other U.S. institutions (as Gallup’s constant polling demonstrates to be the case).


https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/08/how-big-brother-grips-americans-minds-to-support-invasions/


A small quibble perhaps, but:

The people of Crimea held two separate referendums.


The 1st was to declare their freedom from the Ukraine - something they had attempted on more than one occasion previously.


Secondly, after having established their independence from Ukraine they held another referendum in which they voted to be absorbed into the Russian Federation.
The Federal City of Sevastopol, held simultaneous referendums.


All the referendums attracted a very large number of voters and those that voted were overwhelmingly in favor of independence from Ukraine and in favor of joining the Russian Federation.


TTBOMK no one has seriously questioned the outcome of the votes, rather Ukraine claims that they had no right to vote for their own independence. If the international community accepted such a claim, the independence of Kosovo would need to be reexamined.
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« Reply #734 on: December 09, 2018, 06:10:37 PM »
A small quibble perhaps, but:

No quibble at all Terry. There are a number of sovereignty votes that aren't recognized around the globe. Last year in Spain for example and the ongoing struggle with Palestine to mention a couple. The efforts for and against are wide ranging of course but I think that the PTB would work feverishly against any and all. The more sovereign states there are the harder to gather all under one ring and bind them without extreme prejudice. Might makes right of course.

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« Reply #735 on: December 09, 2018, 09:28:43 PM »
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The emphasis I was trying for was that Crimea was the independent country of Crimea when they held a plebiscite asking to be brought under the wing of the Russian Federation.
Since there was never any direct action between Ukraine and Russia, the questions that need to be answered are:


Is it legal for an autonomous region to go it's separate way?


Was the vote fair, inclusive, and though a number of invited scrutineers opted not to attend, did a vast majority of those who did witness the procedure certify it as valid?


Is it legal for an independent country to be absorbed into a federation when both entities agree that this is what their government and constituents wish to do?


Was this vote fair, inclusive, and has either country challenged the results?


I believe that this was the third time Crimea had voted for her independence. Ukraine apparently believed that she could hold Crimea against the wishes of the populace, and had been doing so for some time.


Will the UK vote for something that might effect her own sovereignty over the Maldives and Gibraltar? Will the US have their vote counted when the president could undo all of her machinations WRT the break up of Yugoslavia?


In fairness both countries almost certainly will vote with Ukraine and against the will of the Crimean populous, but this is based on their belief that might makes right, rather than any thought of legal president.
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Is there any validity in the various reports by the rw media / gop hand wavers about this matter?

The Clinton Foundation also faces storm clouds in the form of what The Hill reports are “6,000 pages of evidence attached to a whistleblower submission filed secretly more than a year ago with the IRS and FBI.”

According to the report, the bottom line of the evidence gathered by a firm called MDA Analytics LLC was that the Clinton Foundation “engaged in illegal activities and may be liable for millions of dollars in delinquent taxes and penalties.”

“There is probable cause that the Clinton Foundation has run afoul of IRS rules regarding tax-exempt charitable organizations and has acted inconsistently with its stated purpose,” MDA Analytics claimed.

Is MDA Analytics another front for the Mercers et al? iow merely another version of Cambridge Analytica.
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The Psychology of Gaslighting

Ask me to explain the details in the molecular physics and mathematics behind the actions of GHGs and I will be at a loss. On the other hand I think I was blessed to have some good teachers about human behavior and psychology. With many opportunities to practice and observe some of the things I was shown at work and in social settings among groups of all kinds of different people. I have also seen those very same things I had learned being played out in the media and especially politics where life can become very stressful indeed.

When people feel under pressure, are being criticized or are stressed there are 4 default communication modes that are typically adopted unconsciously. The most common one is to become a Placater, to be submissive. We all learn this mode from the moment we are born from our parents, our families and in kindergarten especially. The template is laid down in our neural pathways.

The next most common response mode is to become a Blamer back. This has been called by some the Blamer Blamer mode. The best form of defense is to attack. Behind school yard bullying and peer-pressure is this Blamer communication mode. Why? It tends to work a treat. Especially if one can do it successfully without any guilt and with self-righteous indignation. It too becomes a template laid down in an individuals neural pathways when a child or a teen.

Understanding how this can operate on a personal level helps by also understanding that typically when someone is pointing the finger against another for some poor behaviour or harm that has been (perceived) to be done, then 3 others fingers are pointing back upon themselves. Try it - point to the wall and see what your three little fingers are doing. It's a physical representation of a psychological truism. This is what the DNC and the Hillary Clinton Campaign have essentially been doing since 2016.

Part of my observations have involved seeing how individual people function within Institutional settings eg when in schools, colleges, Government departments, businesses, corporations, political movements, bikie groups, religions and churches. While they can adjust the personal behaviours to fit the framework in which they are operating once there is excessive stress involved they all tend to default back to their individual modes of communication.

An Institution that is being criticized, outed or is under attack therefore mimics as a whole entity similarly to what the people inside are feeling like and how they are reacting when stressed.

The analogy is to imagine an unfaithful husband. The wife gets a 6th sense something is not quite right. She tries to ignore the changes she has noticed but eventually, upset, stressed, she confronts her husband with her unproven evidence free suspicions. Knowing she is right and therefore immediately triggered by the stress of being found out the husband switches immediately to Blamer Blamer mode - "How dare you accuse ME of such a thing!" - "I have had all this extra work to do, I am doing my best, but it's YOU who hasn't been paying me enough attention or supporting me through it." And they're off.

People can only defend themselves based on what they already know. They cannot be instinctively creative when under stress. Unfaithful husbands know what they have been doing and how they have tried to avoid being exposed. Knowing that, they will automatically begin to recall examples in their wife's own behaviour that 'mimics', looks very similar to, the things he has done himself.

In blamer blamer mode the husband can turn the tables and lay out all these examples of how 'suspicious' some of the wife's own 'changes' and odd behaviour have been lately. She knows she has not been unfaithful, and so what she is presented with is a very powerful case of Plausible Deniability on the part of the husband. Gosh, maybe she was just being paranoid and reading too much into it, she thinks.

The key point here to remember is that the guilty party knows exactly how things work when one is covering up secrets, nefarious, underhanded or unethical behavior.  Even more than this, this is precisely how they generally think. It's their basic Psychology iow.

However usually, the wife will immediately switch to the Placater mode because she feels guilty - she can see well yes, what he says could be true too. Maybe 5 years later she finally come across the hard evidence she was right all along.

All Institutions are made up of people. As such whole Institutions operate in a very similar way. They too point fingers. But all of them find 'placating' an impossibility. Their default position when under stress is always to defend, to attack, to blame the accusers as much as possible. You've seen this happening all your life - from both sides of the fence. Maybe you never thought about it at a human personal level before or ever imagined some core default human communication mode being in play by an Institution.

How do you think the Catholic Church and the thousands of other Institutions who have avoided their complicity and cover-ups of child abuse for so long?  Every Institution operates in the same ways. It's in their 'nature' do be like that. Because they have all been 'created' by human beings to a particular standard design for centuries.

So knowing all this and being able to see it play out in the real world up close and at distance one can get a really good hint about what may be going behind the scenes even with a total lack of hard evidence. But when people are unable to even become suspicious about anothers behaviour they have little to no chance of ever thinking about what kind of evidence might even exist or where to go find it.

Placaters simply accept what someone tells them at face value. They do not wish to be seen as accusatory or radical or argumentative. Silence works to decrease one's stress levels and help them turn away from things they do not wish to even contemplate could be true.

So if you really want to gain some insights into the possibility of the guilt or innocence of the DNC and the Clinton Campaign then I suggest the following. To understand what they know, and to understand how they think about things in general, and what their ethical standards may be, go read their Court submission for their Lawsuit against Wikileaks and the Trump campaign. It's an 'open book'.

You see, I posit that it's more likely than not that the DNC et al know exactly what it is like to be thinking about and doing those things they are blaming the others for. They also know how to go about it in practice. They are speaking about things they already intimately know about from their direct first hand experience.   :o

It has been said 'the eyes are a window into the soul.' I say people's words (and the words of Institutions) are a window into their mind and how it thinks.
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Oldie, goodie. Filmed in 1989, a remarkable conversation between very smart people who were around at seminal events.

Topic: Secrecy, State, and Democracy

Cast of characters:

Moderator: John Underwood

Panelists:

James Rusbridger: CIA/MI6, died in suspicious circumstances five years later.

Tony Benn: Need I say more ?

Lord Dacre: Hugh Trevor-Roper, historian, oxbridge don, SIS

Anthony Cavendish: SIS

Miles Copeland: Founder CIA, unabashed cold warrior

Eddie Chapman: Colourful doesn't begin to describe him. Criminal turned MI5 WWII double agent against the Germans. Parachuted into England several times, awarded the Iron Cross by the Germans ...

Adela Gooch: Reporter, Defence desk, Telegraph

Two hours forty-eight minutes. Worth it.



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