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« Reply #850 on: April 02, 2019, 07:33:02 PM »
Re: sidd, what's worth reading about it?

To which article does the 'it' refer ?

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« Reply #851 on: April 02, 2019, 08:58:01 PM »
Sidd, the one you most recently posted, from "The American Conservative"
"A force de chercher de bonnes raisons, on en trouve; on les dit; et après on y tient, non pas tant parce qu'elles sont bonnes que pour ne pas se démentir." Choderlos de Laclos "You struggle to come up with some valid reasons, then cling to them, not because they're good, but just to not back down."

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« Reply #852 on: April 02, 2019, 09:07:18 PM »
I take it you mean this one :

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-primordial-ooze-of-the-collusion-conspiracy/

(i posted another van Buren article in another thread)

I think that van Buren gets some things right. He points out that Steele's success was not primarily due to injection of the dossier into the media, but rather dissemination within the US intelligence community:

"Steele succeeded mightily, however, in pushing his information deep into the FBI via three simultaneous channels, including the State Department, and via Senator John McCain, who was pitched by a former British ambassador retired to work now for Christopher Steele’s own firm."

"the most productive channel into the FBI was Department of Justice official Bruce Ohr."

But as i said, i disagree with him on Halper, and i think he pays too little attention to the conduits between  Steele, Dearlove, Hannigan and Brennan. And he entirely leaves out the question of Mifsud.

I leave it to the reader to draw their own conclusions.

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« Reply #853 on: April 02, 2019, 09:16:52 PM »
Thanks for the clarification.
"A force de chercher de bonnes raisons, on en trouve; on les dit; et après on y tient, non pas tant parce qu'elles sont bonnes que pour ne pas se démentir." Choderlos de Laclos "You struggle to come up with some valid reasons, then cling to them, not because they're good, but just to not back down."

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« Reply #854 on: April 03, 2019, 09:07:03 AM »
Hopkins does a victory dance at consentfactory: pretty brutal, but who can blame him

"the entire Mueller investigation now appears to have been another wild goose chase (like the “search” for those non-existent WMDs that we invaded and destabilized the Middle East and murdered hundreds of thousands of people ... ) ... there will be no perp walks for any of the Trumps. No treason tribunals. No televised hangings. No detachment of Secret Service agents marching Hillary into the White House."

" ... let’s try to look on the bright side, shall we? Disgraceful as this Russiagate fiasco has been, at least it was all just an honest mistake, and not any kind of plot, or conspiracy, or anything as disturbing as that. It’s not like the majority of the corporate media perpetrated a massive, coordinated, intelligence agency-initiated psyop on the Western public for two and half years. No, they just “got it wrong,” again … like they did with those Iraqi WMDs."

"The corporate media, after all, are comprised of dedicated, professional journalists, who maintain the highest ethical standards ... Plus, there is no “deep state.” Not really. ... that would be scary, if that had happened!"

"Look, I don’t want to beat this to death. "

(Editorial comment: That was gratuitous, Mr. Hopkins. Giggle.)

"No, it’s time to, you know, let bygones be bygones ... Talking about all that is just a distraction ... it only helps Donald Trump ... "

" ... this is not the time to demand a full accounting ... they made a few mistakes, and got a little carried away, but they’re only human ...  sure they’re all very, very sorry, and will never, ever, do it again."

https://consentfactory.org/2019/04/02/a-russiagate-requiem/

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« Reply #855 on: April 04, 2019, 08:18:46 PM »
Sorry to break in on the lovefest about how righteous Trump and his supporters are on his various crimes, which is premature, since the letter from Barr is all there is, and it's clear he was fulfilling the promises that got him the job of Attorney General. You guys need to check your bias; you sound like climate fake skeptics: unskeptical about anything that agrees with you. I probably shouldn't bother, since y'all have closed your minds.

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Don't know if these links will cross the pond, but Chris Hayes did a wonderful town hall with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at Einstein Hospital auditorium in the Bronx (NYC, AOC's home area) about the Green New Deal. Hayes started out as a climate activist in 2004 and has pushed as much as he can ever since. Some of them overlap.

Terrific quote from AOC when questioned about the attacks from Republicans:
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"I didn't expect them to make total fools of themselves," Rep. Ocasio-Cortez told @MSNBC's Chris Hayes. "I expected a little more nuance, and I expected a little more 'concern trolling.'
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« Reply #856 on: April 05, 2019, 12:20:03 AM »
Bacharach at the new republic looks, not unsympathetically, at the evolution of MSNBC:

On Maddow: " She gestures widely. She shrugs. She is arch and broadly ironic. She is very certain that she is right ... far more appealing than I’d been prepared to find her ... Maddow is sincere without being overly earnest. She thinks that she is funnier than she is, but we all have friends who think they are funnier than they are. She is obviously smart, which makes the frequent weirdness and obscurantism of her show seem like a deliberate choice, like a serious author who has, for fun, decided to dabble in the absurd. "

"But Maddow—and much of her network these days—is frequently just as bonkers. "

He turns to MSNBC:

"By 2015, its popularity sometimes dipped below not just Fox News and CNN, but also CNN’s airport-lounge spin-off, HLN. "

"By late 2018, MSNBC could, on certain weeks, claim to be the number one news network on cable. "

"MSNBC has become what, just a few years ago, critics thought impossible: the liberal, Democratic cable channel. It is the touchstone network for the Resistance movement on social media, which is itself tightly wound around allegations of Russian plots and “collusion,” and its stars look likely to become kingmakers in the coming Democratic primaries."

" the effect of spending a whole evening with MSNBC for the first time is not unlike wandering into a scripted prestige television series in the middle of its third season. The careful place setting occurred long before you started watching, and now the narrative is barreling ahead."

"There is Trump himself, looming offstage, the oddly absent centerpiece of the whole production, like Julius Caesar in the later acts of Shakespeare’s play. There is Mueller, something between an oracle and a demiurge, also physically absent, and there was Mueller’s report, a promised deus ex machina hanging in the fly space above. "

"There are set-piece locations ... a complex establishing mythology, a series of actual acts and hypothetical acts and possibly mythological acts that, in total, build the texture of a sprawling world. There are terms of art and law that everyone seems to understand; they take the place, in this universe, of a fantasy show’s invented ancient language ... the strange simultaneity common to prestige TV: It is at once vast and circumscribed. A wider world intrudes, but the same central heroes and villains show up, week after week. "

"MSNBC has been through several iterations since its founding in 1996 ... From the late 1990s through the mid-2000s, the network also served as a weird clearinghouse for some of the great ghouls of conservative agit-prop, an early home-away-from-home for the likes of Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, and Tucker Carlson ... recall the omnipresence of Pat Buchanan ... a network struggling and failing to capture the political zeitgeist at the end of the millennium"

"But as the Bush administration wore on, MSNBC began its turn toward liberalism ... "

"Suddenly, the Republicans were the wild reformists, coming with axes and dynamite for all the edifices of society and government that America had erected over the last 100 years, while the Democratic Party was the conservative party, which is to say: protective toward institutions, deferential toward established power, defensive around precedent, and deeply concerned that anything other than narrow tinkering at the margins represented a dangerous radicalism."

"a central problem with contemporary mainstream liberalism: the idea that the trouble is not so much institutions themselves as the people who run them. The result is an unfortunate tendency to rehabilitate dubious people and organizations the moment they line up against the right villains. How else to explain the sudden liberal affection for the FBI, the office of the special counsel, the “intelligence community”? "

"the network so rarely finds time to pan out from its narrow focus on the baroque divagations of the investigations of Donald Trump"

"one of the fundamental features of a conspiracy narrative is that it cannot end"

"the belief that there may yet be a gotcha moment, a crack in the case that forces a reckoning, a legal procedure through which normalcy may be restored, is well-nigh irresistible."

" it is possible to make MSNBC your principal source of news and information and, as a consequence, to escape knowing much of anything about what is going on in the world ... an entire primetime lineup without mention of Brexit, of the gilets jaunes, of any Eurasian politics beyond the bogeyman Putin and some snarking at Trump’s vague China tariffs. Venezuela makes an occasional appearance, mostly as it relates to our own domestic politics ...  Brazil ...  barely appears ... a “border crisis” but little sense of what is on the other side of that border ...  “Syria,” but little actual reporting from the Middle East. North Korea bubbles up sporadically, ... and even then exists mostly as a platform to joke about Trump’s inability to close a deal. The Indian subcontinent hardly exists. Africa hardly exists ... the environment and climate change, as stories in and of themselves, hardly exist."

"MSNBC promises its audience that if we dig deep enough, we’ll get to the bottom of this thing, but what good is digging a hole in preparation for a flood?  "

Read the whole thing:

https://newrepublic.com/article/153435/msnbcs-wild-ride

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« Reply #857 on: April 06, 2019, 06:10:21 AM »
Tracey at the spectator(US version) tears into some of those who were savaging him: Maddow wasn't the only one

"As contemptible as Rachel undoubtedly is, dwelling on her absolves the rest of the industry from acknowledging what really happened: a structural calamity of epic proportions, implicating almost all of them, which has utterly destroyed the reputation of the media writ large."

After Maddow and Olbermann, he calls out "leading Democrats ranging from Hillary Clinton campaign communications director Jennifer Palmieri to Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe; as well as Michael Moore, Lawrence Lessig, Peter Beinart, DeRay McKesson, Paul Krugman, and Neera Tanden"  who " had been melodramatically whinging for months about how appalled they were by Trump’s alleged propensity to violate ‘norms,’ but the next minute they turned around and demanded that all norms governing the centuries-old Electoral College process be thrown out the window"

Benjamin Wittes of "BOOM!" fame and Chris Hayes come in for special mention. He proceeds to Wheeler, whom i stopped reading for the same reason that draws his ire, that she burned a source, dropped a dime on someone who confided in her.

"Last week, Wheeler finally admitted her suspicion that the FBI may have just decided she is ‘crazy.’  "

This is the same FBI that under Mueller and to this day continue to entrap hapless, unstable young men into terrorist plots and imprison them for decades on the flimsiest of evidence based on "confidential informants." If toy haven't seen the movie "(T)ERROR" watch it now. It is told from the viewpoint of the informant _and_ the guy he was entrapping.

And this is the FBI who couldn't make Wheeler's charges stick. So sad.

Read the whole thing. The people he's screaming at said much worse about him.

https://spectator.us/boom-autopsy-media-mueller/

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« Reply #858 on: April 08, 2019, 08:29:17 PM »
Interview with Lagoze at the intercept: costs of pointless war

" It was heavily occupied by the Taliban. We had to clear a route there to fix the dam. The dam is still broken. It’s sort of a metaphor for the whole war, I guess."

"A lot of [the Marines in the film] are in jail. Some of them are doing okay, and some of them are not. And some of them are dead. Some of them killed themselves."

"It’s hard to imagine what fighting a war would look like if there wasn’t toxic masculinity involved in the training process. "

"you think of all the documentaries that have come out about Afghanistan or Iraq, they tend to show a lot of dead Iraqis, dead Taliban, dead Afghan women, children. It’s like there’s no problem to show that, but then when there’s a dead U.S. soldier, that’s off limits. "

"The guy chasing the kids with the pistol, he has a wife and kids, so I wanted to be like, “Are you going to want them to see this?” And he was like, “Yeah, man.” A lot of them are at a point where they want to be judged to a certain degree. Stop saying, “Thank you for your service.” It doesn’t make sense. It’s totally absurd."

"While we were there, we created an almost uninhabitable environment for the Afghan civilians. "

"I want there to be some accountability. I don’t want people just to look at the soldiers and Marines as hapless victims that were sent out there, and it was just the big politicians that are responsible. No. I think the soldiers are responsible, the politicians are responsible, but also the American people are complicit. Our tax money funded the war. It’s not just the soldiers and the politicians. It’s the everyday citizens. We’re all responsible because we didn’t really give a shit. We didn’t notice it. We didn’t pay attention."

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/07/combat-obscura-afghanistan-war-documentary/

I will have to watch that movie.

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« Reply #859 on: April 09, 2019, 07:15:21 AM »
America's Finest News Source: ISIS rehabilitated

"ISIS leaders announced Monday that they had added a few violent white supremacists to the group in a bid to get the U.S. to rescind its designation of ISIS as terrorists."

"it turns out they have many more guns than we do. "

"At press time, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced that ISIS was no longer officially considered a terrorist organization based on their members’ newfound strong support for President Trump. "

https://www.theonion.com/isis-adds-few-violent-white-supremacists-in-bid-to-get-1833890999

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« Reply #861 on: April 12, 2019, 01:18:48 AM »
Taibbi on Assange arrest: "a legal argument against someone who releases embarrassing secrets."

"Assange lawyer Barry Pollock said the allegations “boil down to encouraging a source to provide him information and taking efforts to protect the identify of that source.” "

" placing criminal penalties on a prosecutor’s interpretation of such interactions will likely put a scare into anyone involved with national security reporting"

" in one of the odder unreported details of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, he never interviewed or attempted to interview Assange ... It will therefore be interesting to see if Assange is finally asked about Russiagate"

"it would be hard to find a more extreme example of how deep the bipartisan consensus runs on expanding the policing of leaks."

"Donald Trump takes the last step of journey begun by Barack Obama."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/assange-arrest-charges-taibbi-821107/

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« Reply #862 on: April 12, 2019, 01:34:32 AM »
wsws on Assange blackmail attempt, surveillance:

"WikiLeaks detailed a vast and illegal surveillance operation against its founder, Julian Assange, inside Ecuador’s British embassy ...including medical consultations and private legal meetings "

"The individuals, who allegedly include a Spanish national previously implicated in extortion, demanded that WikiLeaks provide three million euros for hundreds of thousands of documents, audio recordings, videos and photos taken in the embassy."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/11/assa-a11.html

Consortiumnews: "offers of €9 million for the material. "

"A Spanish judge is investigating an alleged extortion scheme in which suspects in Madrid offered video and audio surveillance to the editor of WikiLeaks in exchange for €3 million"

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/10/spanish-police-probe-extortion-scheme-involving-surveillance-on-assange/

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« Reply #863 on: April 12, 2019, 02:58:32 PM »
Another example of the useless incompetent American media, this time By David Harsanyi at the Federalist.

 Is Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange A Foreign Spy Or A News Publisher? Probably Both.

PS Assange has been charged with "conspiring to attempt" ... i think it says.

But if there is no crime committed, then there cannot be a conspiracy. Might be a fine point, but a real legal one that may play out. I;m not sure obviously.

No, the planned crime does not need to happen.  All that's needed for a conspiracy conviction is for two or more to agree to commit a crime, and take some concrete actions towards that end.

This framework is used to ensnare wannabe terrorists in sting operations.  No actual bomb goes off, the target of the sting talks with undercover agents about doing something violent, is manipulated into buying fake explosives, or a gun, or renting a van.  Then the cuffs go on.   Convictions for conspiracy are the rule here, not the exception.

Edit:  and the criminal penalties are the same as if the crime actually happened.  A bit draconian in my view.  A couple of angry guys in a bar expressing anger about whatever need only drunkenly purchase some tool online right there to be liable.
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« Reply #864 on: April 12, 2019, 10:28:47 PM »
Peres interviews Ellsberg at realnewsnetwork on Assange arrest: a very serious assault on the First Amendment

" if he succeeds in putting Julian Assange in prison, where I think he’ll be for life"

"no journalist is safe. The freedom of the press is not safe. It’s over. And I think our republic is in its last days"

"they’re able to bring the kind of pressure on Ecuador that caused essentially a lawless action here which threatens everyone in asylum."

"The British have had a long history here of servility, basically, with respect to their ally the United States"

" In my day, his case would have been almost sure to be upheld by this–that is, the case dismissed by the Supreme Court on grounds of violating the First Amendment. But that was a different Supreme Court, 40 years ago."

" I think he’ll be in one room, possibly in solitary confinement, on the excuse that he has further secrets that he might reveal; just as Ed Snowden would face that, I think, possibly for the rest of his life. "

" wouldn’t be at all surprised if he is further indicted under the Espionage Act, as I was"

https://therealnews.com/stories/daniel-ellsberg-on-assange-arrest-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-press-freedom

Ellsberg has been round for a while, seen a lot. And he sounds scared.

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« Reply #865 on: April 13, 2019, 11:56:47 PM »
America's Finest News Source: Media Condemns Assange for Reckless Exposure

"We denounce Julian Assange in the strongest possible terms for his negligence in publicly demonstrating the kinds of work journalists could actually be doing  "

"Assange was focused on exposing documented evidence of U.S. war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan without so much as a thought for the journalists who faithfully parroted the U.S. military’s talking points"

"does he realize how that makes us look? "

"The fact that the American public now knows what we’re actually doing day to day is incredibly harmful"

Read the whole thing:

https://www.theonion.com/media-condemns-julian-assange-for-reckless-exposure-of-1834010623

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« Reply #866 on: April 15, 2019, 03:11:40 PM »
The message I have found here at ASIB is in this case at least almost reaching the MSM.
(I say almost only because the the Guardian is not read by fox viewers)

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Our system – characterised by perpetual economic growth on a planet that is not growing – will inevitably implode. The only question is whether the transformation is planned or unplanned. Our task is to ensure it is planned, and fast. We need to conceive and build a new system based on the principle that every generation, everywhere has an equal right to enjoy natural wealth.

This is less daunting than we might imagine. As Erica Chenoweth’s historical research reveals, for a peaceful mass movement to succeed, a maximum of 3.5% of the population needs to mobilise.

by George Monbiot

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/15/rebellion-prevent-ecological-apocalypse-civil-disobedience?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

If the majority of the media were to speak the truth like this, how much difference would it make would it make, would that be enough and if so how much culpability do the media have?



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« Reply #867 on: April 15, 2019, 11:37:49 PM »
If the majority of the media were to speak the truth like this, how much difference would it make would it make, would that be enough and if so how much culpability do the media have?

We must not talk about this, because Trump.

I watched a film this evening, maybe I shouldn't have. It's called Kill the Messenger and is based on the story of Gary Webb, an investigative journalist who broke the story that the CIA facilitated cocaine imports into the USA, while the dealers in exchange supported the Contras in Nicaragua, the idea being that this was the only way to make sure The Russians (there they are again) couldn't spread communism around Central America, after US Congress had restricted direct support.

This is Gary Webb, who allegedly shot himself in the head twice, seven years after writing the story that more or less ended his career:



How much damage Cold War thinking/conditioning has done around the world... And much progress hasn't been made since, as we have just seen with the Russiagate-scandal.
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« Reply #868 on: April 15, 2019, 11:41:12 PM »
How much damage Cold War thinking/conditioning has done around the world... And much progress hasn't been made since, as we have just seen with the Russiagate-scandal.

Ehh you should already know why that is though. World leaders are well aware of the imminent catastrophe and such theatrics are part of their last ditch sleight of hand. Get people focused on phantom dangers, infighting, rather than allow them to become aware of the coming apocalypse.

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« Reply #869 on: April 17, 2019, 03:10:22 PM »
I didn't know where else this would fit but here

Greta Thunberg is a powerful messenger because her age makes the point even stronger, her facts seem to be solid and her delivery carries both emotion and a calm sense of panic. 

Greta Thunberg says she wants us to panic and much more.


This seems to align well with the message of this forum. I hope we hear a lot more of this girl in the media.



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« Reply #870 on: April 17, 2019, 04:48:37 PM »
I didn't know where else this would fit but here

Greta Thunberg is a powerful messenger because her age makes the point even stronger, her facts seem to be solid and her delivery carries both emotion and a calm sense of panic. 

Greta Thunberg says she wants us to panic and much more.


This seems to align well with the message of this forum. I hope we hear a lot more of this girl in the media.

it's not her age, it's her handicap that makes the difference. just imagine if that girl would be a stunner, not only woulnd't she have taken on the same tasks but would be discarded, mostly due to envy and the limited mindset that pretty girls have to be "less smart"

it's not by accident that from all the millions of people who tell the same story, those are accepted who have one or several significant deficits. bist of course is once they are dead, or do you think it's by accident that the most honored people after who we name streets, places and more, are all among the past away?

it's the old animalic instinct of competition that keeps us from accepting a superman/woman except he/she can indeed fly ;)

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« Reply #871 on: April 17, 2019, 08:05:20 PM »
Yeah that is the really important point of all this. /s
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« Reply #872 on: April 18, 2019, 12:18:39 AM »
Damon at wsws: media complicit in Assange persecution

"These newspapers’ enthusiastic approval for the effective rendition of a journalist, with the threat of torture, indefinite imprisonment and possible execution, sums up their attitude to the freedoms of speech and the press embodied in the First Amendment: they oppose it."

"They are not an independent media, but propaganda mills like those that exist in any dictatorship."

"the line between reporting, opinion, gossip, slander and libel was totally obliterated."

"there is a political reason and logic to this outpouring of vitriol. The aim is to manufacture public opinion: to make the heroic journalist an un-person, stripped of all rights—an outcast—in order to justify the US state’s persecution."

"The people who write such things are not merely doing the dirty work of the ruling class for pay. They hate Assange, because they see in him a challenge to the natural order of things, in which the media publish what the government says, and the people believe what the media publishes."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/17/medi-a17.html

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« Reply #873 on: April 18, 2019, 01:06:18 AM »

Greta Thunberg is a powerful messenger ....

it's not her age, it's her handicap that makes the difference. just imagine if that girl would be a stunner, not only woulnd't she have taken on the same tasks but would be discarded, mostly due to envy and the limited mindset that pretty girls have to be "less smart"

it's not by accident that from all the millions of people who tell the same story, those are accepted who have one or several significant deficits. bist of course is once they are dead, or do you think it's by accident that the most honored people after who we name streets, .....

I don't exactly know what point you are trying to make but no matter Im glad Ifinally listened to her after initially assuming a sixteen year old wouldn't have much to say other than what she was being told by her parents etc.
Maybe in a way your right as if she was prettier I would have ignored her longer but then she's not ugly in any way and I can't see how discussing her appearance will add any value. As to her aspergers I had no idea untill after seeing this remarkable interview.





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« Reply #874 on: April 18, 2019, 01:26:50 AM »

I don't exactly know .......


2 things are remarkable:

- if someone does need "her" to finally understand the obvious

- the quoted part explains the rest

since this is not the place to explain un-welcome facts about how our society and it's individuals mostly function, i won't take this any further. sometimes i really ask myself whether "matrix" is really just a movie ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #875 on: April 18, 2019, 03:17:39 AM »

I don't exactly know .......


2 things are remarkable:

- if someone does need "her" to finally understand the obvious

- the quoted part explains the rest

since this is not the place to explain un-welcome facts about how our society and it's individuals mostly function, i won't take this any further. sometimes i really ask myself whether "matrix" is really just a movie ;) ;) ;)

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I think we may be talking past each other, I'm not the best communicator and what is taken from my comments is often based on the intent of my comment.

Again i'm not sure what your saying, I certainly don't need her to explain anything to me, her message seems to exactly align with what I have learnt on climate forums and especially here over the last decades.

What I do like is that I think her message is surprisingly powerful and I think this is the type of message needed to get people to understand these "un-welcome facts about how our society and it's individuals mostly function".   
 

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« Reply #876 on: April 18, 2019, 07:01:18 AM »
HI Nev, thanks for sharing that interview

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« Reply #877 on: April 18, 2019, 09:54:29 AM »
Wait what ? google blacklists american spectator ?

https://spectator.org/the-google-blacklisting-of-the-american-spectator/

regardless of whether you are aware of, read, agree or disagree with american spectator, it might be wise to use a different search engine than google.

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« Reply #878 on: April 18, 2019, 09:32:42 PM »
Taibbi at rollingstone on media smears of Sanders: Recalls another radical who was vilified by the media

"The battle is almost always waged instead over personality, because while certain “radical” ideas may be unstoppable, individual politicians are easily villainized, delaying change — a little."

"The practice of painting dissident challenges as selfish, hypocritical acts — as opposed to the selfless altruism of corporate-funded candidates — has been going on forever. "

"But back in the 2000s, when Kucinich still had a small voice in national politics, he was routinely denounced as something worse than a radical: a kook, nut and egomaniac. "

"when Sanders didn’t seem like a threat to win anything, he got much of the same. "

"It wasn’t until Sanders started piling up delegates that he began to take on the villainous characteristics for which he is now infamous. After he won primaries in 2016, suddenly reporters ripped him as a divisive narcissist with three houses who was the ideological mirror of Donald Trump, boasting racist, sexist and violent followers."

" politicians benefiting from domestic discontent with the status quo are being denounced as Kremlin favorites as well as selfish agents of division."

"The anger toward the political establishment that drives support for such politicians began to be visible over a decade ago, long before Sanders or Gabbard were factors in any kind in national politics."

" What a lot of DC-based reporters and analysts don’t grasp is that if you remove Bernie Sanders from the scene, there will still be millions of people out there mad about income inequality. Remove Gabbard, and discontent about the human and financial costs of our military commitments will still be rampant. Removing Warren won’t cancel out anger about Wall Street corruption."

Read the whole thing:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/bernie-sanders-science-smears-823138/

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« Reply #879 on: April 18, 2019, 09:38:06 PM »
Wendell Berry from a long time ago:

"A better possibility is that the movement to preserve the environment will be seen to be, as I think it has to be, not a digression from the civil rights and peace movements, but the logical culmination of those movements. For I believe that the separation of these three problems is artificial. They have the same cause, and that is the mentality of greed and exploitation. The mentality that exploits and destroys the natural environment is the same that abuses racial and economic minorities, that imposes on young men the tyranny of the military draft, that makes war against peasants and women and children with the indifference of technology. The mentality that destroys a watershed and then panics at the threat of flood is the same mentality that gives institutionalized insult to black people and then panics at the prospect of race riots. It is the same mentality that can mount deliberate warfare against a civilian population and then express moral shock at the logical consequence of such warfare at My Lai. We would be fools to believe that we could solve any one of these problems without solving the others."

"Nearly every one of us, nearly every day of his life, is contributing directly to the ruin of this planet. A protest meeting on the issue of environmental abuse is not a convocation of accusers, it is a convocation of the guilty. "

"Most of us are not directly responsible for strip mining and extractive agriculture and other forms of environmental abuse. But we are guilty nevertheless, for we connive in them by our ignorance. We are ignorantly dependent on them. We do not know enough about them; we do not have a particular enough sense of their danger. Most of us, for example, not only do not know how to produce the best food in the best way – we don’t know how to produce any kind in any way. Our model citizen is a sophisticate who before puberty understands how to produce a baby, but who at the age of thirty will not know how to produce a potato. "

"If you are concerned about the proliferation of trash, then by all means start an organization in your community to do something about it. But before – and while you organize, pick up some cans and bottles yourself. That way, at least, you will assure yourself and others that you mean what you say. If you are concerned about air pollution, help push for government controls, but drive your car less, use less fuel in your home. If you are worried about the damming of wilderness rivers, join the Sierra Club, write to the government, but turn off the lights you’re not using, don’t install an air conditioner, don’t be a sucker for electrical gadgets, don’t waste water. In other words, if you are fearful of the destruction of the environment, then learn to quit being an environmental parasite. "

He says it like few others can. Read the whole thing:

https://berrycenter.org/2017/03/26/think-little-wendell-berry/

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« Reply #880 on: April 20, 2019, 01:39:23 PM »
Here is my experience with the media:
From 1992 to 2010 I worked at Brendan Manor, a group home in Garfield Heights. A local television station spent a whole shift filming me for a feature on hiring people with Asperger's (I am like Sheldon Cooper, except he has an IQ of 196 and mine is 126, and he is a neat aspie and I am a messy aspie). I scrupulously tried to answer every question truthfully and completely, as did my boss.
In the feature, IIRC, there were two factual errors.
Maybe it was because they made the story sound better? When I was in the Astronomy program I read an example (possibly apocryphal) of an astronomer and a newspaper. It was the days of the first moon shots and the reporter was writing an article on the Moon. He asked what those dark areas were and the astronomer said they were believed to be vast plains of quickly frozen lava, like obsidian. The reporter asked what obsidian was and the astronomer said it was a form of natural glass. Then the reporter asked what he craters were from, and the astronomer said they were believed to be caused by the impact of meteoroids. The next day the astronomer was horrified to read himself cited as the source for an article headlined NEW SCIENTIFIC THEORY - MOON MADE OF BROKEN GLASS.
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« Reply #881 on: April 23, 2019, 08:05:25 AM »
Fox News Finds Their Next Laura Ingraham (And She Is MAD)


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« Reply #882 on: April 23, 2019, 08:38:50 AM »
Briton-Purdy at the nation reviews Grandin's latest: The End of the Myth: From the Frontier to the Border Wall in the Mind of America

"Hegel, in his lectures on the philosophy of history, argued that Americans would never have politics until they ran out of frontier and had to turn to face one another. Alexis de Tocqueville mused that the frontiersmen, once they had grimly extirpated everything between them and the Pacific, might turn back to harry their own countrymen. In 2010, the legal scholar Aziz Rana published The Two Faces of American Freedom, which argues, like The End of the Myth, that American democracy has always been defined by its fraught relationship to racial domination at home and imperialism abroad. "

It is a long review, and well worth reading. I might have to read the book.

https://www.thenation.com/article/greg-grandin-end-of-the-myth-frontier-border-wall-book-review/

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« Reply #883 on: April 25, 2019, 05:07:23 AM »
Same bullshit, different day ...

 Media trust ranker NewsGuard launches in UK by greenlighting tabloids, adding ex-NATO chief to board
Published time: 24 Apr, 2019

 NewsGuard, the trust-rating outfit that continues to approve of US media that spread the Russiagate conspiracy theory, has expanded operations to the UK and added a former NATO chief to its advisory board.

Announcing its UK debut on Wednesday, NewsGuard bragged about including Anders Fogh Rasmussen to their advisory board, describing him only as “former prime minister of Denmark.”

While he did serve in that capacity between 2001 and 2009, his most recent public office was secretary-general of NATO (2009-2014), which NewsGuard omits from their tweet – but not from the Advisory Board page.

    NewsGuard announces UK Launch to tackle misinformation; @jimmy_wales, @AndersFoghR and @sambrook join global advisory board.

    Full details https://t.co/oqa4nur41Tpic.twitter.com/uVkC4aTRbU
    — NewsGuard (@NewsGuardRating) April 24, 2019

Rasmussen’s colleagues on NewsGuard’s board include former US Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden, as well as the self-described former “chief propagandist” for the US government Richard Stengel.

Other new additions to the board are Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales and Richard Sambrook, former “Director of Global News for the BBC” who now provides “editing and editorial guidance” for NewsGuard’s “nutrition labels.”

Those labels rank news outlets оn a number of categories, which are then combined into a trustworthiness score, expressed as a green checkmark or red “x.” There is a certain pattern in which kinds of outlets get the former and which get the latter.

    NewsGuard, the US-based news rating system, has just given all the UK red-tops the big green tick! pic.twitter.com/bq8FWQNz3n
    — Mark Di Stefano 🤙🏻 (@MarkDiStef) April 24, 2019

Three major UK tabloids – The Sun, the Daily Mirror, and the Daily Star – all got an overall “green” rating, for instance. While NewsGuard claims to be rating outlets rather than individual articles, if you have their extension installed in your browser (and it comes by default with Microsoft’s Edge), you’ll see a NewsGuard symbol next to actual story headlines in your searches.

Media critic John Nolte of Breitbart – in the “red” category just like RT – pointed out on Monday that NewsGuard’s seal of approval can be found on nine of the top 12 debunked stories pushing the ‘Russiagate’ conspiracy theory. He provided screenshots.

https://www.rt.com/news/457468-newsguard-nato-russiagate-fake-news/

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« Reply #884 on: May 01, 2019, 06:29:18 AM »
This is a rather good depiction of architecture guiding human existence: airports

" like a Starbucks or McDonalds, every aspect of an airport’s structure and layout is strategically designed "

"you give up your free will as you’re corralled through an unfamiliar environment to your final gate"

"Reassuring passengers about this subconscious fear ... is important. So is encouraging people to follow the rules and heed authority."

"The most striking aspect of our current culture of airport security is that it is largely ineffective"

"These measures feel reassuring, but ultimately do nothing to predict how a terrorist might adapt – they are simply visual responses to widely publicised attack scares."

"airport planners want you to feel safe enough to focus on: shopping"

"Just after you collect your baggage from the scanners, you enter what is known in the airport design world as the “recomposure zone” ... where you can sit and collect yourself. "

"views of the shops, restaurants, and concession stands ... it is at this point that the passenger transforms from stressed-out traveller to “valuable customer”. "

"The primary shopping area is always placed directly between the security checkpoint and the gate, forcing passengers to pass through it "

" terminal walkways also curve to the right because the majority of the human population is right-handed and therefore tend to look more in that direction. More shops are therefore placed on the right-hand side"

"air travellers are the perfect customers. Passengers have time to kill and no place else to go, they can afford to fly and therefore have disposable income, and – after completing the stressful tasks of getting to the airport on time, checking in, and passing through security – they are most likely in a self-indulgent mood."

"This mood lasts for roughly an hour, known in the airport design business as “the golden hour”. "

"the reality that we are, in fact, a captive audience"

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190430-psychological-tricks-of-airport-design

Many of these features are visible elsewhere, as in a shopping mall.

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« Reply #885 on: May 01, 2019, 08:41:34 PM »
Monbiot in my inbox today
https://www.monbiot.com/2019/04/30/the-problem-is-capitalism/

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The Problem is Capitalism

It is a weapon pointed at the living world. We urgently need to develop a new system.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 25th April 2019

For most of my adult life, I’ve railed against “corporate capitalism”, “consumer capitalism” and “crony capitalism”. It took me a long time to see that the problem is not the adjective, but the noun.

While some people have rejected capitalism gladly and swiftly, I’ve done so slowly and reluctantly. Part of the reason was that I could see no clear alternative: unlike some anti-capitalists, I have never been an enthusiast for state communism. I was also inhibited by its religious status. To say “capitalism is failing” in the 21st century is like saying “God is dead” in the 19th. It is secular blasphemy. It requires a degree of self-confidence I did not possess.

But as I’ve grown older, I’ve come to recognise two things. First, that it is the system, rather than any variant of the system, which drives us inexorably towards disaster. Second, that you do not have to produce a definitive alternative to say that capitalism is failing. The statement stands in its own right. But it also demands another, and different, effort to develop a new system.

Capitalism’s failures arise from two of its defining elements. The first is perpetual growth. Economic growth is the aggregate effect of the quest to accumulate capital and extract profit. Capitalism collapses without growth, yet perpetual growth on a finite planet leads inexorably to environmental calamity.

I again strongly recommend Steven Stoll's Ramp Hollow which explores the history of money, markets, and exploitation. It changed how I think about capitalism. Unfortunately, exploitation by owners is the norm, not the exception, and money makes it easier.

I did debate putting this in the capitalism discussion, but since the opener talks about the trouble with using the adjective rather than the noun seems to me this gets to the root of the problem with attacking good people not doing well enough under constant attack instead of bad people doing their worst, thus enabling perps by blaming victims. That makes it "good journalism" at its best, imho.

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« Reply #886 on: May 01, 2019, 08:43:26 PM »
More quote, though it would be better to read the whole thing. Devastating and accurate!

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This drives us towards cataclysm on such a scale that most people have no means of imagining it. The threatened collapse of our life support systems is bigger by far than war, famine, pestilence or economic crisis, though it is likely to incorporate all four. Societies can recover from these apocalyptic events, but not from the loss of soil, an abundant biosphere and a habitable climate.

The second defining element is the bizarre assumption that a person is entitled to as great a share of the world’s natural wealth as their money can buy. This seizure of common goods causes three further dislocations. First, the scramble for exclusive control of non-reproducible assets, which implies either violence or legislative truncations of other people’s rights. Second, the immiseration of other people by an economy based on looting across both space and time. Third, the translation of economic power into political power, as control over essential resources leads to control over the social relations that surround them.

and, devastating but true:

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Our choice comes down to this. Do we stop life to allow capitalism to continue, or stop capitalism to allow life to continue?

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« Reply #887 on: May 01, 2019, 11:51:42 PM »
I agree that Monbiot is good journalism (on the whole), though not for the reason you state, as it has absolutely nothing to do with the theme of the article. I think it does fit better in a discussion on capitalism, or better yet, this one on concentrated wealth (and why capping it would seem to be a pre-condition for solutions to have a chance of working).
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« Reply #888 on: May 03, 2019, 01:29:26 AM »
Ostrow and MacLeod at fair read the yellow press so we don't have to.

Ostrow: US media all aboard for regime change in VZ

"Of the 76 total articles, opinion videos or TV commentator segments that centered on or gave more than passing attention to Venezuela, 54 (72 percent) expressed explicit support for the Maduro administration’s ouster. Eleven (14 percent) were ambiguous, but were only classified as such for lack of explicit language. Reading between the lines, most of these were clearly also pro–regime change. Another 11 (14 percent) took no position, but many similarly offered ideological ammo for those in support."

"Corporate news coverage of Venezuela can only be described as a full-scale marketing campaign for regime change."

"Maduro the Dictator must be overthrown—but don’t worry, the US would be diplomatic about it."

"Sanger indulged in the popular “hypocrisy takedown”: The problem, as presented, isn’t that the US disrupts democracies, destroys economies and kills people, but rather that it does so inconsistently. "

" When it comes to advocating the overthrow of the US government’s foreign undesirables, you can always count on opinion pages to represent all sides of why it’s a good thing."

https://fair.org/home/zero-percent-of-elite-commentators-oppose-regime-change-in-venezuela/

MacLeod explains why it's definitely not, repeat NOT, a coup

WaPo: opposition-led military-backed challenge
CBS,Reuters,CNN: uprising
NPR,NYT: protest
Yahoo: high-risk gamble
Miami Herald: don’t call it a ‘coup attempt'
BBC,Al Jazeera, Graunidad: "coup"

"With all the credibility of an armed man in a mask repeatedly shouting “this is not technically a bank robbery,” national security advisor John Bolton told reporters on April 30, “This is clearly not a coup,” ..."

" the US media also endorsed the April 2002 coup against Chavez, using euphemisms such as “popular uprising” (Miami Herald, 4/18/02), “unrest” (New York Times, 5/23/02) or “Chavez’s temporary downfall” (New York Times, 4/29/02) to frame events more positively."

" the main base of support for the coup was the US government…and the media ... When it comes to foreign policy, there is often no difference between deep state and fourth estate."

https://fair.org/home/venezuela-its-only-a-coup-if-the-us-government-says-so/

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« Reply #889 on: May 03, 2019, 04:15:41 PM »
Monbiot in my inbox today
https://www.monbiot.com/2019/04/30/the-problem-is-capitalism/

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The Problem is Capitalism

It is a weapon pointed at the living world. We urgently need to develop a new system.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 25th April 2019

For most of my adult life, I’ve railed against “corporate capitalism”, “consumer capitalism” and “crony capitalism”. It took me a long time to see that the problem is not the adjective, but the noun.

While some people have rejected capitalism gladly and swiftly, I’ve done so slowly and reluctantly. Part of the reason was that I could see no clear alternative: unlike some anti-capitalists, I have never been an enthusiast for state communism. I was also inhibited by its religious status. To say “capitalism is failing” in the 21st century is like saying “God is dead” in the 19th. It is secular blasphemy. It requires a degree of self-confidence I did not possess.

But as I’ve grown older, I’ve come to recognise two things. First, that it is the system, rather than any variant of the system, which drives us inexorably towards disaster. Second, that you do not have to produce a definitive alternative to say that capitalism is failing. The statement stands in its own right. But it also demands another, and different, effort to develop a new system.

Capitalism’s failures arise from two of its defining elements. The first is perpetual growth. Economic growth is the aggregate effect of the quest to accumulate capital and extract profit. Capitalism collapses without growth, yet perpetual growth on a finite planet leads inexorably to environmental calamity.

I again strongly recommend Steven Stoll's Ramp Hollow which explores the history of money, markets, and exploitation. It changed how I think about capitalism. Unfortunately, exploitation by owners is the norm, not the exception, and money makes it easier.

I did debate putting this in the capitalism discussion, but since the opener talks about the trouble with using the adjective rather than the noun seems to me this gets to the root of the problem with attacking good people not doing well enough under constant attack instead of bad people doing their worst, thus enabling perps by blaming victims. That makes it "good journalism" at its best, imho.

Where I think he is wrong is his assumption that perpetual growth on a finite planet leads to environmental calamity.  While capitalism is based on money and the value of everything produced, the changing value of a commodity can alleviate the precise calamity he predicts.  This is by no means a certainty, and people may continue on to their own demise.  However, as an example, many nations in Africa have found that their greatest natural resource is their wildlife, and protecting such leads to increased revenue, namely growth.  Similarly, the lumber industry found that clear cutting, without replanting, is a surefire plan towards their own extinction.  Since capitalism is based on the need to expanding profits, any calamity (environmental or otherwise) will invariably lead to decreased profits.  Believing that capitalists will engage in activities that will diminish profits and lead to their own demise, seems to contradict the basic nature of capitalism.  This is not to say that capitalists have not cause major environmental problems - they surely have.  However, to imply that its continuance will certainly lead to disaster, seems rather narrow minded.

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« Reply #890 on: May 06, 2019, 06:14:25 PM »
This election never happened.

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« Reply #891 on: May 06, 2019, 11:51:47 PM »
I watched part of a Jimmy Dore live stream today about Maddow agreeing with John Bolton, saying he's a human being, or some such. I'm quite confident this will be released as a separate video soon. It was pretty astounding to watch Maddow, who truly has taken over the crown from Glenn Beck.
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« Reply #892 on: May 10, 2019, 10:40:32 AM »
Chomsky from 1993 on totalitarian media in the USA: origins, development, and limits of debate



Hour and quarter of Chomsky then questions.

Amazing. Could have been delivered today.

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« Reply #893 on: May 13, 2019, 06:38:59 AM »
Turner at LRB with a retrospective on Mark Fisher, a writer who refused to go on.

" Mark Fisher killed himself on 13 January 2017 ..."

‘It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism’

‘Capitalism is what is left when beliefs have collapsed.’

" ‘The catastrophe,’ as Fisher puts it, ‘is neither waiting down the road, nor has it already happened. Rather, it is being lived through "

"  Business Ontology, which is the idea that ‘it is simply obvious that everything in society, including healthcare and education, should be run as a business’; Market Stalinism, the terrifying proliferation of performative paperwork across the public services ..."

" the ‘mental health plague’ in capitalist societies suggests that ‘instead of being the only social system that works, capitalism is inherently dysfunctional, and the cost of it appearing to work is very high.’ The ‘privatisation of stress’, he suspects, is what’s really behind the epidemic of adolescent unhappiness. ‘Affective disorders are forms of captured discontent.’ "

" His students, he writes, knew perfectly well that their prospects were poor, and that there was nothing they could do  ... in a state that he calls ‘reflexive impotence’, a bored, depressed, withdrawn suspension. And the impotence of course becomes reflexive in that by acting powerless you make your powerlessness come true. Clinical depression, unsurprisingly, was ‘endemic’, as were specific learning difficulties. More generally, the teenagers Fisher taught seemed to be ‘in a state of what I would call depressive hedonia … [unable] to do anything else except pursue pleasure’, slumping, snoozing, snacking. "

"    Ask students to read for more than a couple of sentences and many … will protest that they can’t do it. The most frequent complaint teachers hear is that it’s boring … To be bored simply means to be removed from the communicative sensation-stimulus matrix of texting, YouTube and fast food; to be denied, for a moment, the constant flow of sugary gratification on demand. Some students want Nietzsche in the same way that they want a hamburger; they fail to grasp – and the logic of the consumer system encourages this misapprehension – that the indigestibility, the difficulty is Nietzsche."

"The pressure on teachers becomes ‘intolerable’. It’s their job to cram word-based content into the increasingly ‘post-lexic’ heads of their students; it’s also their job to fill in when families are ‘buckling under the pressure of a capitalism that requires both parents to work’."

"in the infernally paradoxical logic of depression, I was simulating it in order to conceal the fact that I was not capable of working, and that there was no place at all for me in society."

"Consider all those brilliant youngsters who loved school, studied hard and went off in the highest spirits to college or university, thinking there was a world out there that would welcome them, encourage and support them in their learning, give them jobs as scholars and teachers. That world started snapping shut in the 1980s and has gone on getting smaller and smaller, meaner and meaner, closer and closer to shutting down completely. Fisher seems to be describing a feeling of superfluousness; these young people, like the superfluous men of Russia in the 19th century, were being educated for jobs that no longer existed. Superfluous: ‘the experience of modern masses’ as described by Hannah Arendt."

" ‘And yet, I don’t wish I was living forty years ago. The point seems to be: this is the world we were all afraid of, but it’s also sort of the world we wanted.’ And if we decide now that, after all, we don’t like it, we’re not allowed to take it back. "

Read the whole thing:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v41/n09/jenny-turner/not-no-longer-but-not-yet

The reference in the article to "Exiting the Vampire Castle" is at

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/

Quite a stinging expose of social media, vampirism, class as opposed to identity, and how these divisions are exploited.

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« Reply #894 on: May 14, 2019, 11:19:33 PM »
Syria poison gas attack further debunked: OPCW engineering report leaked

"both cylinders were manually placed at those two locations rather than being delivered from aircraft."

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-opcw-engineering-assessment-the-douma-chemical-weapon-incident-was-staged.html

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« Reply #896 on: May 15, 2019, 06:52:48 AM »
5 Acknowledgements

We thank the OPCW staff members who have communicated with us at considerable personal risk. We undertake to protect the identities of any sources who communicate with us. Emails to our protonmail addresses, if sent from another protonmail account (free to set up), are secure. We thank also the other open-source investigators and journalists who publicly questioned the official line on the Douma incident and thus created the climate for OPCW staff members to come forward.

http://syriapropagandamedia.org/working-papers/assessment-by-the-engineering-sub-team-of-the-opcw-fact-finding-mission-investigating-the-alleged-chemical-attack-in-douma-in-april-2018

Much like Assange and Manning I conclude the SPM website folks and their informants will now be looking at 50 years behind bars in the USA for telling the Truth.

And fwiw my view has not changed that all the bodies in Douma were long dead at the hands of the crazed Islamist Terrorists there before they were placed in the building. They ( appeared to me as being ) previously treated by the 'chemical liquid' used to slow down the decomposition of dead bodies in the field. (eg their hair appearance was very suspicious and the colour of their skin) 

The very same liquid used as shown in the video when the Islamists were removing the bodies from the building the next day ... before anyone with some "authority/credibility/objectivity" could be there to inspect those bodies.
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« Reply #897 on: May 15, 2019, 10:33:56 AM »
Scheer at Scheer Intelligence has another great interview: Bill McKibben on why the billionaires in Silicon valley will sell you down the river as quickly as the Koch brothers

"And then we move from that old technology of fossil fuel and the Koch brothers; we move to Silicon Valley, where these people are much more enlightened about current social issues, gender, and so forth. But then they harbor all kinds of fantasies of life without humans, and also bringing back a few important humans who can come up with, what, a couple hundred thousand dollars to freeze their bodies, and so forth. "

"There’s no mystery about what these guys are planning; they talk about it all the time, the enormous industry that there could be in improving human beings. In producing, allowing you to go into the clinic, as one of these guys after another says—go into the clinic, and with sufficient funds, choose the specs for your new child while they’re in embryo. Tinker with their genes."

"And then five years later you’re ready for your second child, and you go back into the clinic, and technology has marched on. And maybe you’ve gotten a little more money anyway, and now you can afford a better set of upgrades. What does that make your first kid? Your first kid is, you know, Windows 2000, the iPhone 6."

"we have these people who believe in artificial intelligence, they believe in—but that part I get. But then they also seem to believe in preserving their bodies so that they can come back. And some of them actually think by the year twenty—was it thirty something?—we may have the means of perpetual life, that we’ll have solved all the medical problems. "

"And so they’re kind of sanguine, in a way, about the destruction of life on this planet ...  they have this weird fantasy that they’re going to construct another planet somewhere, another life somewhere ..."

"they’re believers in some kind of techno fantasy world that will, you know, where at least they will be able to survive and prosper. And they’re completely caught up in that world"

"you have the libertarians coming up not only with the old fossil-fuel industry, but also obviously in Silicon Valley. And it’s true of any billionaire these days; they’re all going to take Ayn Rand’s argument and justify their greed and corruption and not paying enough taxes and everything else. Because, yes, you know, let the pygmies of government get out of my way and I will create wonders, and it’s a compelling, opportunistic argument."

"there were things Reagan couldn’t do because the Democrats at that point were still in the way. He could–you know, Reagan couldn’t have gotten the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade through; he probably couldn’t have ended welfare as we know it, the way that Clinton did. Clinton brought the Democrats along; he was looking for that third, middle way, whatever he called it. But basically, it was a continuation, and very sad. "

" the fact is, Donald Trump, whatever we think about him, his rewrite of NAFTA actually puts in a few things there, like a guarantee for people assembling cars in Mexico that are going to be imported duty-free have a $16 wage, and for 45%, that local courts have some control in Canada and the U.S. and in Mexico, and not just corporate-controlled courts, and so forth. So I’m not saying he’s changed the whole thing, but at least finally we have a trade agreement that worries a little bit about the condition of workers."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/silicon-valley-doesnt-give-a-damn-about-earths-imminent-demise/

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« Reply #898 on: May 15, 2019, 12:11:53 PM »
Syria poison gas attack further debunked: OPCW engineering report leaked

"both cylinders were manually placed at those two locations rather than being delivered from aircraft."

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-opcw-engineering-assessment-the-douma-chemical-weapon-incident-was-staged.html

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What I'd like to know is whether those people were already dead and then used for this false flag operation to deceive people like Rob Dekker, or were they killed to be used for this false flag operation? I'm probably stupid for asking, but is any media outlet reporting on this?
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« Reply #899 on: May 15, 2019, 11:28:05 PM »
The Real News Network is an example of good journalism denouncing bad journalism:

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