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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1200 on: January 11, 2021, 03:53:16 PM »
The simultaneous action against Trump on social media reminds me strongly of the simultaneous action against Occupy across US metros. The latter was in "real space" as opposed to "internet space;" both resulted in silencing of ... unwanted ... voices.

But now it's going to be formalized and codified, both online and offline. Trump plays an elemental role in this entire 'bi'-partisan charade. His function is to create a consensus around this codification into law, so that something like Occupy can never come about again. This is why they let the 'coup' happen. They instigated it, spurred it on, let it happen, and now any popular insurgence can be suppressed, not just the ones by marginal groups on some fringe, but more importantly, the big ones that are supported by a majority of the people.

Everyone who doesn't conform to the system, is now a conspiracy terrorist. That's what Trump was for. They could only get this result through him. COVID also helps, of course.
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« Reply #1201 on: January 13, 2021, 08:18:46 AM »
Astore on war stories in a review of Megan Slack:

Astore:

"all Americans tell themselves war stories ... America is a good and decent country, our troops are heroes, that we wage wars reluctantly and for noble causes ...  we need to fight them over there else we’ll have to fight them right here."

Slack:

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"countries, like people, have collective consciences and memories and souls, and the violence we deliver in the name of our nation is pooled like sickly tar at the bottom of who we are"

"action amounts to identity.  We become what we do ... you can’t leave your actions over there … All of that poison seeps back into our soil"

"it makes us lie to ourselves, precisely because we want to believe that we are good …it is too hard to admit that evil is already in our own hearts and blood is on our hands."
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Astore:

"We humans are great storytellers but we’re not smart ones ... our collective war stories will likely be the death of us."

https://bracingviews.com/2021/01/11/telling-war-stories/

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« Reply #1202 on: January 14, 2021, 08:11:21 AM »
Now this is interesting: Gab undeletes Trump twitter, all tweets reproduced

https://gab.com/realDonaldTrump

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« Reply #1203 on: January 19, 2021, 07:22:14 AM »
Colour me unsurprised: google and facebook collude on ads

Wakabayashi and Tsu at nytimes:

"Google and Facebook accounted for more than half of all digital advertising spending in 2019"

"In the milliseconds between a user clicking on a link to a web page and the page’s ads loading, bids for available ad space are placed behind the scenes in marketplaces known as exchanges, with the winning bid passed to an ad server. Because Google’s ad exchange and ad server were both dominant, it often directed the business to its own exchange."

"A method called header bidding emerged, in part as a workaround to reduce reliance on Google’s ad platforms."

"Google developed an alternative called Open Bidding"

"Facebook disclosed that it had joined Google’s program in one line in a Dec. 2018 blog post. But it did not reveal that Google, according to the draft complaint, provided Facebook with special information and speed advantages to help the company succeed in the auctions that it did not offer to other partners — even including a guaranteed “win rate.”

"Facebook had 300 milliseconds to bid for ads, according to court documents. But the executives at Google’s partner companies said they usually had just 160 milliseconds or less "

"Facebook had yet another advantage: Direct billing relationships with the sites where ads would appear"

"Google agreed to help Facebook have a better understanding of who would be shown the ads by helping the company identify 80 percent of mobile users and 60 percent of web users"

"Facebook also demanded that data about its bids not be used by Google to manipulate auctions in its own favor"

“Unbeknown to other market participants, no matter how high others might bid, the parties have agreed that the gavel will come down in Facebook’s favor a set number of times,”

"they included a clause in the agreement that requires the parties to “cooperate and assist” each other if they are investigated for competition concerns over the partnership."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/technology/google-facebook-ad-deal-antitrust.html

I happen to have watched some of this happen, the adexchanges and bidding platforms get set up, and i still have friends in that biz. It don't really surprise that goo and face were colluding, we kinda assumed it anyway and you could see it in the timings for ad auctions. But i dunno whether to laff or to cry at this:

"Facebook also demanded that data about its bids not be used by Google to manipulate auctions in its own favor"
 
Dude, when you gotta put a clause in a contract that sez dont cheat on this contract, mebbe you shouldnt be signing the contract to start with. And i cant believe Zuckerburg thought google would actually abide by any contract, they screwed everyone else.

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« Reply #1204 on: January 24, 2021, 11:28:23 PM »
Gurri at city-journal on the transformation of nyt:

" newspapers never sold news; they sold an audience to advertisers ... The aim was to herd the audience into a passive consumerist mass. Opinion, which divided readers, was treated like a volatile substance and fenced off from “factual” reporting." "

"a few prominent brand names moved to a model that sought to squeeze revenue from digital subscribers lured behind a paywall ...  As supply vastly outstripped demand, the news now chased the reader, rather than the other way around ... Under such circumstances, what commodity could be offered for sale?"

"Rather than news, the paper began to sell what was, in effect, a creed, an agenda, to a congregation of like-minded souls."

"The new business model required a new style of reporting. Its language aimed to commodify polarization and threat: journalists had to “scare the audience to make it donate.”"

"Objectivity was discarded in favor of an “oppositional” stance. This was not an anti-Trump opinion piece. It was an obituary for the values of a lost era. Rutenberg, who covered the media beat, had authored a factual report about the death of factual reporting"

" Trump could not safely be covered; he had to be opposed."

"The old media had needed happy customers. The goal of post-journalism, according to Mir, is to “produce angry citizens.” "

" The flagship American newspaper had turned in a direction that came close to propaganda. The oppositional stance, as Mir has noted, cannot coexist with newsroom independence: writers and editors were soon to be punished for straying from the cause. The news agenda became narrower and more repetitive as journalists focused on a handful of partisan controversies"

"Future media historians may hold the Trump-Russia story to be a laboratory-perfect specimen of discourse concentration. For nearly two years, it towered over the information landscape and devoured the attention of the media and the public. The total number of articles on the topic produced by the Times is difficult to measure, but a Google search suggests that it was more than 3,000—the equivalent, if accurate, of multiple articles per day for the period in question. This was journalism as if conducted under the impulse of an obsessive-compulsive personality. Virtually every report either implied or proclaimed culpability. Every day in the news marked the beginning of the Trumpian End Times."

" what looked like journalistic failure was, in fact, an astonishing post-journalistic success. The intent of post-journalism was never to represent reality or inform the public but to arouse enough political fervor in readers that they wished to enter the paywall in support of the cause. This was ideology by the numbers—and the numbers were striking ... By August 2020, the paper had 6 million digital subscribers—six times the number on Election Day 2016 and the most in the world for any newspaper."

" Condemnation of Trump as the avatar of American racism was as close to a canonical doctrine as the new style of reporting possessed. "

" “Our readers who want Donald Trump to go away suddenly thought, ‘Holy shit, Bob Mueller is not going to do it.’ ” Given the business model, a new scheme of polarization was needed. "

"a generation uninterested in history that perceived social life in terms of a cosmic conflict against injustice. Their questions suggested that post-journalism, to them, meant telling the unvarnished truth—which happened to be identical to their political convictions."

"Baquet had disparaged Twitter and insisted that the Times would not be edited by social media. He was mistaken."

"focus on race propelled the Times to the vanguard of establishment opinion during the convulsions that followed the death of George Floyd"

" replaced the Russia collusion story as the prime manufacturer of “angry citizens”"

" the duty of the newspaper was less to inform than to protect such “vulnerable” readers from harmful opinions. "

"The history-reframing mission is now in the hands of a deeply self-righteous group that has trouble discerning the many human stopping places between true and false, good and evil, objective and subjective ... Cotton had lied, and the fact that the public approved of his lies was precisely what made his piece dangerous."

" the generation most likely to share the moralistic attitude of the newsroom rebels is the least likely to read a newspaper. Andrey Mir, who first defined the concept, sees post-journalism as a desperate gamble, doomed in the end by demographics. "

https://www.city-journal.org/journalism-advocacy-over-reporting

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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1205 on: January 26, 2021, 06:21:13 AM »
Something you dont see too often, 40 minute interview by Dore and a boogaloo boy:

"who are pro-lgbtq, against war, against the corporate dominance of the state, people who reject the two-party duopoly, and who work alongside blacks lives matter and antifa, and they want a general strike"

"now that we're banned off of all social media that we can't even keep track of the idiots in our movement and deal with them "

" sex work decriminalization legalize all drugs, end all the wars, close the ice detainment camps "

" it is the top versus the bottom, it is not the left versus the right, we can argue about health care when we're not dropping bombs on foreign countries"

"if you if you define fascism as corporations and government working together then we we live under that"

"if you're going to use my tax dollars to blow up brown kids in the middle east i'm not going to pay taxes anymore"

"free Julian Assange, free  Ross Albrecht, free Edward Snowden, free Chelsea Manning "



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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1206 on: January 28, 2021, 03:45:37 PM »
This thread has evolved into a more general one on good and bad journalism, but let's not forget that it was created to discuss media reports pertaining to Russiagate. As thread opener Buddy wrote at the time:

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The focus on this thread is on how the media is covering RussiaGate:  Who is lying....who is blatantly biased (one way or the other)..... and who is doing a good job of covering RussiaGate.  In short....show examples of GOOD JOURNALISM and BAD JOURNALISM.

Well, now that this whole conspiracy madness is more or less behind us (although some will never stop believing it), Aaron Maté has written an excellent summary of how the conspiracy lunacy was created and elevated, and what lessons c/should be learned from it. I'll just quote the final paragraphs.

The Nation:

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The Rise and Fall of the ‘Steele Dossier’
A case study in mass hysteria and media credulity

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While the Steele affair has triggered at least some government-level contrition and nominal reforms, the same cannot be said about the prominent media and political figures who promoted his ludicrous claims with equal credulity. A small number of corporate media voices, notably Erik Wemple of The Washington Post, have criticized the journalists who served as Steele’s stenographers. But Wemple’s columns are one of the few signs of accountability emanating from the media outlets who misled audiences into believing in the fictitious Trump-Russia plot.

LESSONS FROM THE FARCE
If there is no honest self-reflection to be had from the elite figures who spread Steele’s inventions, perhaps there can still be some lessons drawn for those subjected to the farce. For many liberals, Russiagate offered a comforting explanation for Trump’s improbable, painful victory. If Steele’s spy thriller could be proven true, then the Trumpian nightmare would surely come to an end. This was not only a welcome belief for anyone opposed to Trump but almost a requirement: Day after day, anti-Trump audiences were flooded with constant innuendo about Trump’s treasonous behavior and the false hope that Mueller was a step closer to proving it. To question Steele’s claims and other tenets of Russiagate orthodoxy was, for a long period, an act of heresy to the “Resistance.”

Much like a riveting novel or television show, the Steele story also gave many liberals relief from the daily pain of having such a buffoonish, hateful figure in the Oval Office. But even with Trump now nearly gone, the conditions that gave rise to him, and the dangerous tendencies he represented, remain very present. As do the corporate apologists within the Democratic Party that created an opening for his rise. To ultimately defeat Trumpism, at least some of those who embraced him as a rebuff to the “swamp” will have to be reached.

One place to begin might be by recognizing in ourselves similar qualities to those we’ve deplored in our political opponents. As dismaying as it has been to see MAGA supporters latch on to Trump’s election fraud lies, even to the point of violently attacking the Capitol, perhaps we can develop some insight into their mindset when we consider our own malleability. Trump voters heard liberals incessantly claim that Russia had duped the country into electing their candidate—a Kremlin asset compromised by a salacious videotape, financial leverage, and other unknown kompromat. Even in response to the Trump-fueled assault on Congress, a number of liberal voices, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, immediately brought it back to Putin.

Steele himself personally believed that the aim of his work was to help undo the election. Fusion GPS, Steele told a London court in August 2018, was hired “to obtain information necessary” on “the potential impact of Russian involvement on the legal validity of the outcome of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election.” Based on this, Steele explained, the Clinton campaign “could consider steps they would be legally entitled to take to challenge the validity of the outcome of that election.”

Ultimately, Steele’s absurdities, and the overall Russiagate campaign that it fueled, did nothing to undermine Trump. If anything, Trump was handed the enduring gift of a conspiracy-crazed opposition—and, on the core collusion allegation that Steele fueled, his own ultimate exoneration. Just as dangerously, the widespread belief that Trump was a Russian puppet had major geopolitical implications: it helped stigmatize diplomacy with the world’s other top nuclear power, and incentivized liberal adherents to ignore the multiple, hawkish real-world Trump policies that escalated tensions with it. Far more Americans heard of Trump’s fictitious conspiracy with the Kremlin than they did, for example, of him undermining two crucial nuclear weapons treaties, the INF and New START, over Russian objections.

When we now see MAGA followers consumed by their own election conspiracy theories, it behooves us to remember that, while there is no equivalence to the “Stop the Steal” mob violence, many liberals were misled in their own way for Trump’s entire four years. Beyond our mutual proclivity for embracing comforting delusions, we might acknowledge that we share something else with Trump supporters: party elites, Democrats and Republicans alike, who have turned to deranged, xenophobic fantasies rather than taking responsibility for their own election failures. For both party leaderships and their allied media outlets, Russiagate and its “stop the steal” successor have been highly profitable. On top of the immediate financial rewards and ratings boost, both “scandals” offer an even deeper institutional payoff: They distract the public from systemic dysfunctions in favor of fantastical conspiracy theories.

If the Steele dossier has any lasting role in defeating what Trump represents, it would be to trigger some honest reflection about whose interests it served. And whose it hurt.
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« Reply #1207 on: January 31, 2021, 11:41:46 PM »
I think you may be declaring victory too soon.

The Guardian is just (Jan 29) out with: The Perfect Target: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book

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“This is an example where people were recruited when they were just students and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump,” Shvets said by phone on Monday from his home in Virginia.


(He's speaking in support of Craig Unger's book, American Kompromat: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/635379/american-kompromat-by-craig-unger/).

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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1208 on: February 01, 2021, 09:28:58 AM »
Thanks for yet another bad example of bad journalism on the subject of Russiagate. As said, for some people it will never be over. That's how propaganda works.
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« Reply #1209 on: February 02, 2021, 01:30:38 AM »
Journalists against free speech: Rosen at tabletmag

"the American public distrusts the media more than it ever has"

"today’s corporate media increasingly advances ideas that would delight would-be power trippers of any party—like establishing novel forms of government control over what you can see, read, and hear and identifying people with a broad range of unpopular or unapproved views as domestic terrorists."

"The notion that free expression is sedition’s handmaiden or that the prevention of treason should be a higher goal than the open exchange or exposure of allegedly dangerous arguments are not controversial views anymore"

“Perhaps America’s First Amendment, like the Second, is ultimately a matter of national preference,”

 “the First Amendment ... should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another.”

"Should Fox News be allowed to exist?"

"No one ever expects their self-invented standards to be turned back against them."

"The notion of a dichotomy between free speech and journalism is bizarre enough on its own; stranger still is the idea that in this totally invented standoff between “free speech” and “journalism” the latter should be given higher priority. "

"“All speech is not equal,” Stengel writes. “And where truth cannot drive out lies, we must add new guardrails.”"

"“free speech absolutism” is akin to a civic suicide pact, and that a proper balancing of liberty and security must be introduced into the First Amendment as implemented. "

"a detectable winking quality to it: Don’t worry, dear reader, YOU’RE not the one who’s going to be censored. THEY are. In fact, the censorship, so-called, won’t even be that bad. You’ll hardly notice it."

"for those who dream of a purified information space."

"We simply can’t have a First Amendment with so much truth being distorted by people who disagree with us, can we?"

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/jounalists-against-free-speech

We live in interesting times, indeed. Two decades ago, i would not have at all imagined that the first amendment would see serious challenge in the USA.

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Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« Reply #1210 on: February 02, 2021, 09:24:26 AM »
Two decades ago, Putin wasn't Russia's dictator yet, sidd.  ;D
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« Reply #1211 on: February 03, 2021, 11:54:39 AM »
I think it goes deeper than that. Look, for example on this very forum, for the divide between those who quote consonant versus dissonant media.

But then, i realize i am speaking to the founder ...

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« Reply #1212 on: February 18, 2021, 02:22:15 PM »
Misinformation Fears After Facebook Blacks Out News In Australia
https://techxplore.com/news/2021-02-misinformation-facebook-blacks-news-australia.html

Facebook's news blackout in Australia has raised fears misinformation could come to dominate the platform in the country, with fake news and conspiracy theories left untouched while credible sources have been cut off.

From Thursday Australians were unable to post links to news articles or view the Facebook pages of local and international news outlets, while Aussie news sources disappeared from the site worldwide.

The social media giant was acting in response to tough new regulations that will force it and Google to pay for the news stories shown on their platforms.

Several critical government agencies—tasked with issuing emergency Covid-19, bushfire, flood and cyclone advice—were initially caught up in the news ban before Facebook began restoring them.

An assortment of other Australian pages were also rendered blank, including cancer and homelessness charities, major businesses and even popular satire accounts.

But unaffected by the blackout were a series of pages owned by purveyors of fake news and conspiracy theories—despite their frequently posting about current events.

... Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance said the professional journalists it represents acted as a check on the spread of misinformation before their work was barred from Facebook feeds.

The Facebook blackout came just days ahead of Australia's planned vaccine rollout, raising concerns official health messaging could be drowned out by anti-vaxxer voices.

Critics hit out at the speed and scope of Facebook's action against Australia after years of what they described as its apparent reluctance to clear the platform of violence, hate speech and misinformation.

"And people wonder why this didn't happen with certain hate groups in other parts of the world, why there wasn't such an attempt to remove that content wholesale," Lucie Krahulcova of Digital Rights Watch told AFP.

... Reset Australia, which aims to counter digital threats to democracy, said the Australian news blackout revealed "just how little the platform cares about stopping misinformation".
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« Reply #1213 on: February 18, 2021, 08:27:28 PM »
The problem with FAKE NEWS is always the same.
who determines what is fake and what isn’t?
Me or you?
Democrats or Republicans?
Leftists or Conservatives?
Most news is reported with Roshomon effect.
Three people see something occur and all saw something different, therefor don’t worry about Fake News.
Let the people read all three reports and decide themselves, anything else is censorship unless the FACTS are changed , like reporting 100 people were killed instead of 3.

Unfortunately, the Left is afraid of that because if they cannot control the dialogue and report through their baseline belief systems, they can’t win.
so if a Trump comes along and say’s Make America Great Again, if they can’t turn that into meaning make America Racist, make America sexist, they can’t win because why wouldn’t Americans want to make America Great again, make it richer, more influential?
Every country wants to be great, every country wants more wealth to feed its people.
If they Left can’t control the dialogue can’t report everything through a leftists Cintent without Cintext prism, they cannot win.

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« Reply #1214 on: February 19, 2021, 05:41:43 PM »
The problem with FAKE NEWS is always the same.
who determines what is fake and what isn’t?
Me or you?
Democrats or Republicans?
Leftists or Conservatives?
Biden won the election with 7 million more votes than Trump.
That is a fact.
A good many Republicans know and accept this.
That is a fact

Those who refuse to accept that fact may have a personality disorder.
The Sean Hannity et al statements on this are gobshite.   

That is a comment.

A long time ago before the envelope was expanded to post-truth, an editor of the Guardian said "Comment is Free, Facts are Sacred". In the end all will suffer as this is now ignored.

and that is definitely all I am going to say about that

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« Reply #1215 on: February 20, 2021, 02:04:55 AM »
Trump spent much of his time reducing transparency in government and hiding information about himself and his actions. Trump bullies and harasses anyone who disagrees with him. These are not the actions of someone who speaks truth these are the actions of someone who mostly lies.

 

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« Reply #1216 on: February 20, 2021, 07:43:26 AM »
Karp at Jacobin: Our gilded age

"if class dealignment works to raise the floor of Democratic support, it also lowers the ceiling, blunting the party’s ability to compete for the 65 percent of adults without college degrees. The 2016 election showed what a Democratic defeat looks like under this arrangement — a total wipeout in every branch of the federal government, with losses at the state level, too. Perhaps just as troubling, 2020 has shown what victory looks like: just enough suburban votes for Democrats to win back the White House and Senate, but not enough to retake a single state house or summon a convincing majority in Congress."

" too often, for liberal pundits, the mere recognition of class dealignment doubles as a meek surrender to its power, as if the rich suburban conquest of the Democratic Party were a law of physics. In the eyes of such tough-minded progressives, leftists who pine for the New Deal coalition — or any electoral politics grounded in class — might as well be howling at the phases of the moon. It’s seen as a mark of intellectual maturity to recognize that the future of progressive struggle lies in the office parks and PTA meetings of Scottsdale and Sandy Springs, not the warehouses and hospitals of northern Minnesota or Western Pennsylvania."

"center-left parties in postindustrial countries, facing similar social and economic currents, have followed similar paths, prioritizing global markets, cosmopolitan values, and professional-class voters rather than unions, wages, and blue-collar workers. Our world contains many Chuck Schumers. The death of class politics is not an outcome these party leaders feared; it is a goal they have zealously pursued. Just as laissez-faire was planned, class dealignment was chosen."

"Yet somehow, according to today’s calculations, the truck drivers and cashiers who twice voted for a transformative, populist black candidate — only to grasp for another outsider in 2016 — have now revealed themselves as fascists in sheep’s clothing. Meanwhile, the corporate lawyers and realtors who spurned Obama twice, and only came around to the Democrats after they nominated the safest possible symbol of restoration — a white, six-term senator from Delaware — represent the progressive future of the party. Such is the logic of Gilded Age politics, where partisan identity transcends class, interest, and ideology."

"“Science is real,” announces the now-ubiquitous rainbow yard sign — above “love is love” and below “no human is illegal” — eloquently expressing the Trump-era liberal desire to reduce all politics to some combination of identity and tautology. This catechism’s failure to mention health care, jobs, or wages is not accidental. Within today’s Democratic Party — devoted to “a profoundly unequal but rigorously equitable form of capitalism,” as Riley argues — academic expertise ranks much higher than economic rights."

"who needs material politics in an era of feverish culture war? Ultimately, it was much easier to make Anthony Fauci a sex symbol than to campaign on anything that bore the slightest whiff of resentment against the rich and powerful."

"The hard truth is that there are no real victories to be won within the current partisan order. Our only hope is a political struggle on two fronts: first, and most fundamentally, against the forces of economic reaction that have sapped class solidarity for over a century. This is not primarily an electoral fight — it begins, above all, in the effort to rebuild and reorient labor organizations. “The immediate unity of class interest,” as political theorist William Clare Roberts writes, “is a myth that obscures the hard work of forging a common interest.” Across the first Gilded Age, it took decades of savage labor struggle to accomplish that work. In the very different conditions of the twenty-first century, it will no doubt look very different, but it may take just as long."

Read the whole thing:

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/02/the-politics-of-a-second-gilded-age

This could very easily go in the corporate democrats thread, but i do think is is a fine piece of writing.

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« Reply #1217 on: February 24, 2021, 05:51:01 AM »
Here's something from a different point of view:  Hochschild at american mind

"So by now you don’t trust establishment politicians or establishment media. You don’t trust Big Tech"

"Another thing you don’t trust by the time of the election is the electoral process itself."

"the fact-checkers, well—at this point you just don’t think they have much credibility."

"Maybe you were there. Maybe you heard the speeches ... walked with most of the crowd from the rally at the Ellipse to the gathering at the Capitol, to petition Congress to take the possibility of fraud seriously."

"On the way home, you hear about violence and arrests. Vandalism and thievery in the Capitol building. You hear about a woman, apparently unarmed, shot and killed. It is a sobering, gut-wrenching end to the day. "

"you wake up the next morning to something far worse ... By your very presence in DC, you are accused of being a traitor, part of a dangerous movement. "

"They insist you are a foolish traitor. Your beliefs are unfounded, your questions misplaced. Your skepticism about the election is not only unpatriotic but irrational. It doesn’t even deserve to heard."

"That is not the story you imagined. And you aren’t sure where that kind of story can end."

https://americanmind.org/salvo/once-upon-a-presidency/

Yes i know. that is a conservative web site. Read the article anyway, it did me good. I know a buncha people like that, work with a bunch of them. Although, none as far as i know actually went to DC and "insurrected" the capitol.

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« Reply #1218 on: February 24, 2021, 06:29:38 PM »
Here's something from a different point of view:  Hochschild at american mind

"So by now you don’t trust establishment politicians or establishment media. You don’t trust Big Tech"

"Another thing you don’t trust by the time of the election is the electoral process itself."

"the fact-checkers, well—at this point you just don’t think they have much credibility."

"Maybe you were there. Maybe you heard the speeches ... walked with most of the crowd from the rally at the Ellipse to the gathering at the Capitol, to petition Congress to take the possibility of fraud seriously."

"On the way home, you hear about violence and arrests. Vandalism and thievery in the Capitol building. You hear about a woman, apparently unarmed, shot and killed. It is a sobering, gut-wrenching end to the day. "

"you wake up the next morning to something far worse ... By your very presence in DC, you are accused of being a traitor, part of a dangerous movement. "

"They insist you are a foolish traitor. Your beliefs are unfounded, your questions misplaced. Your skepticism about the election is not only unpatriotic but irrational. It doesn’t even deserve to heard."

"That is not the story you imagined. And you aren’t sure where that kind of story can end."

https://americanmind.org/salvo/once-upon-a-presidency/

Yes i know. that is a conservative web site. Read the article anyway, it did me good. I know a buncha people like that, work with a bunch of them. Although, none as far as i know actually went to DC and "insurrected" the capitol.

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70,000,000 people voted for Trump , assuming there was no cheating, they aren’t all stupid people, my Dr. voted for him, many of my Ivy League grad friends voted for him , many of my friends, eye specialists, psychologists, etc. Voted for Trump because they felt like it was the best thing for their country, family and selves.
They didn’t vote for Trump because they are white Supremacists, antisemites, Racists ,  homophobes, or misogynists.They voted for him because they thought he did a good job, thought we needed borders,thought we needed fair trade deals with our partners, thought we needed police, thought lower taxes created more jobs and wealth , thought transgenders with big shoulders shouldn’t be playing sports against young women , thought planned parenthood was an out of control anti- human organization (event though  many support women’s right to choose ), thought men had a right to defend themselves against bogus rape claims on campus  etc. etc.

The idea that MAGA meant anything else other than fixing the economy, rebuilding roads and bridges, protecting us from bad trade deals with allies and taking power away from the Federal Government who had begun over- reaching , frankly, all came from the left.
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« Reply #1219 on: March 01, 2021, 05:57:59 AM »
Trump spent much of his time reducing transparency in government and hiding information about himself and his actions. Trump bullies and harasses anyone who disagrees with him. These are not the actions of someone who speaks truth these are the actions of someone who mostly lies.

Actually, Trump’s administration was the most transparent ever.
Nobody stood there and answered a hostile press’s questions like he did, over and over, nobody told you what his  administrations stated goals were and actually tried to accomplish them, like building a wall and controlling our borders, getting fair trade deals from our so- called allies, reducing corporate  taxes to create more jobs, coming down hard on bad actor Iran, making NATO pay its fair share, everything he said he would do before the election was done or attempted with full transparency .
The man said everything upfront , told you what he was doing , did a million press conferences and hid nothing.
I have been watching administrations since JFK and never was there this much transparency.
There were no secret agendas like under Obama, Bush, the Clinton’s everything was in the open, you unhappy , angry  people just make this crap up and then believe it, if only you could step back and see yourselves, it’s sad, so disheartening, to see how seemingly intelligent people  fall for this crap.

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« Reply #1220 on: March 01, 2021, 12:48:44 PM »
Trump spent much of his time reducing transparency in government and hiding information about himself and his actions. Trump bullies and harasses anyone who disagrees with him. These are not the actions of someone who speaks truth these are the actions of someone who mostly lies.

Actually, Trump’s administration was the most transparent ever.
Nobody stood there and answered a hostile press’s questions like he did, over and over, nobody told you what his  administrations stated goals were and actually tried to accomplish them, like building a wall and controlling our borders, getting fair trade deals from our so- called allies, reducing corporate  taxes to create more jobs, coming down hard on bad actor Iran, making NATO pay its fair share, everything he said he would do before the election was done or attempted with full transparency .
The man said everything upfront , told you what he was doing , did a million press conferences and hid nothing.
I have been watching administrations since JFK and never was there this much transparency.
There were no secret agendas like under Obama, Bush, the Clinton’s everything was in the open, you unhappy , angry  people just make this crap up and then believe it, if only you could step back and see yourselves, it’s sad, so disheartening, to see how seemingly intelligent people  fall for this crap.

For example, how he knew Covid was going to be really bad then deliberately went out of his way to say the exact opposite to that?

And a wall isn't and never has stopped people crossing borders. NEVER.

The list of idiotic things Trump did, is huge.
The list of bullshit lies he told is in the thousands.

You are so incredibly one eyed.....

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« Reply #1221 on: March 06, 2021, 07:51:53 AM »
Now, this is interesting: Hrushka at bankingdive on amish and banking

[Let me say at the start that i am quite familiar with the area, have met and worked with some mentioned in this article. I shall include any comments i make in square brackets, as i do here.]

"Bank of Bird-in-Hand's mobile banking operation not only includes a digital app but a literal fleet of banks on wheels"

[Bird in Hand is an interesting town. Pretty much owned by one family. I noticed when they started the bank]

" Lancaster County, Pennsylvania-based community bank"

[Lotta Amish land, industrial shops, grain silos, railway sidings, lot owned and operated by amish.]

" $1 million in four $1 million in four 29-foot-long mobile banking units"

"Bank of Bird-in-Hand's first "gelt bus," or "money bus," debuted in 2018. The bank added two more last October, and plans to add a fourth this month. "

"ATMs, a walk-up customer-service window and the ability to open accounts and conduct transactions"

"started with $17 million in initial capital, reported $532 million in assets at the end of 2020. "

[There is money there. This is during the long recovery from 2008. Those people believe in the community.]

"O’Brien's more than three decades providing loans in the region has earned him the nickname "gelt chappie" or "money man" among the Amish. "

" an Amish trustee system that appoints community leaders to help families in the event of financial difficulty, makes them ideal borrowers for banks"

"never had loan losses on Amish loans"

"Many Amish refrain from posing for photos, an act some believe promotes individualism and pride ... This can become an issue for an Amish person who wants to open an account at a bank whose customer identification process involves some form of a photo ID ... one solution involves bank employees becoming part-time genealogists ... Univest’s most unique method of customer identification is through the use of an Amish directory."

"Amish directories list the names, birth dates, relationships, church leadership positions and occupations of members of Amish settlements in a region. The books, which can be found at local Amish bookstores, show the lineage of Amish families and are updated every three or four years"

[This is amazing. I seen those directories, never bought one, but i did not know that a bank would use it in approving a loan. There are places, mostly temples,  in India that have records written on leaves that trace families back to at least eight hundred years, but those too, have perhaps been financialized]

"we can identify who you are, where you live and who your parents were, and we have regulatory approval to be able to properly identify clients using those directories"

" trend these days is for the younger Amish to have state ID forms, but the older ones do not"

[The older ones control the money.]

"Back in the day, the goal or mark of a successful father was to buy a farm for each of his sons, and that’s impossible nowadays"

[They moving. Lot going to Mexico.]

"We still do have some very conservative older customers who just want to use the branch, period, to transact their business and do it by checks and paper and people"

[All the big money ones i know will do wire transfer. If they trust you, usually happens after a few years working with them, will do deals on a handshake and a check. But the guys i know do all their coounting on paper. Big ledgers going back a hundred years or more. And they keep track if you ripped em off.]

"We also use a courier service where we go out to the farms and pick up deposits"

"farm acquisition financing, construction loans, permit and equipment financing and residential mortgages"

What we do on the residential mortgage side is unique because they don't always have full electric in their homes ... It's not saleable on the secondary market, so you have to create a product that has to comply with all the fair lending rules, regulations and the [Consumer Financial Protection Bureau] ... you keep them on your books rather than selling them off in the secondary market."

"he Amish don’t buy commercial insurance and instead pay into their internal self-insurance network called Amish Aid."

[There's a lot more to it than that. As usual, lot depends on your bishop and the elders.]

https://www.bankingdive.com/news/amish-lancaster-county-bank-bird-in-hand-univest/595174/

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« Reply #1222 on: March 08, 2021, 01:12:49 AM »
After past week events, this Wapo headline is extremely corrupt journalism

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« Reply #1223 on: March 15, 2021, 12:41:49 AM »
Jimmy Dore has some examples of very bad journalism post covid relief bill


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« Reply #1224 on: March 23, 2021, 12:24:08 AM »
This one is worth reading: Scheer interviews Nader
[Warning: Long]

Nader: "the Democratic Party is on an infinite journey of cowardliness ... You don’t talk about tax increases; you don’t talk about tax increases on the wealthy; you don’t talk about restoring enormous tax reductions over the years, on Wall Street, on the superrich, on the multinational corporations. "

"a Democratic Party taboo on the military budget.   It used to be they would talk about it ..."

"we are at a stage that I would call a corporate state, that is exactly the definition of fascism"

"The Democrats now are so weak and cowardly that they can’t even protect what’s left of Medicare. The corporations now own 40 percent of the beneficiaries of Medicare."

"they’re too busy catering to the corporate state. They’re too busy marginalizing progressive Democrats. They’re too busy destroying any kind of alternative political electoral competition. They’re too busy to clean up campaign finance corruption, which they benefit from just like the Republicans."

"they’re terrified of Nancy Pelosi. She is running a one-person rule in the House of Representatives, just the way McConnell was running a one-person rule, until he was displaced, in the Senate. "

"So we have here what’s called the symbol of democracy after January 6: how dare these rioters desecrate the symbol, the core of democracy. But as an institution, it’s run as a consummate autocracy, run by four people: the Democratic and Republican heads in the House, and the Democratic and Republican heads in the Senate. They’ve stripped the committee chairs of the power they had, and whether they’re Democratic or Republican."

" if you don’t persuade Nancy Pelosi, you don’t get anywhere in the U.S. Congress ... nobody dared oppose her. They call her the commander in chief. "

"Obama ... refused to prosecute any of the Wall Street crooks that destroyed the economy in 2008, 2009. And he spent his political efforts bailing out, as you indicate, Wall Street. Whenever the Democrats go corporate, they succeed, because the Republicans gleefully jump on board. "

"corporate capitalism is basic corporate socialism. Because without socialism in Washington bailing out capitalism, capitalism would have collapsed a long time ago ... Every time Wall Street gets in trouble, every time the banks overreach and speculate, Washington bails them out. Every time there’s a major industry deep in trouble, like the auto industry, General Motors, Washington socialism bails them out. And that’s what’s going on now. All these big corporations are in Washington desperately demanding, desperately pleading for socialism–to bail out the big drug companies, demand advance payment in the billions for producing drugs that make them a colossal profit with no price regulation. All over, they want bailouts everywhere, bailouts, handouts, giveaways, subsidies. It’s half of what Washington does every day, shovel out more of the money, the guarantees, the overblown contracts, to the military contractors ... The tax code is a massive regular bailout for these multinational companies, who can pretty much park their profits abroad in tax havens, build up the expenses here, and then pay virtually nothing to support the public works and the public services in the United States"

"an entrenched corporate socialist state, where Wall Street controls government and turns it against its own people ... They’re commercializing childhood, they’re strategically planning higher education, they’ve planned our tax system, they’re strategically planning our electoral and political system, our public budgets, our military foreign policy. They’re strategically planning the public land and its disposition daily, one-third of America. They strategically planned the epidemic of obesity, which they knew full well was the result of their high-fat, high-sugar, high-salt diet, that they’ve seduced young people with billions of dollars of TV advertising over the last 40 years. And this young generation that calls themselves progressive and changed, or change agent, they just don’t have a clue. They don’t read. You don’t read, you don’t think. You don’t think, you don’t read. You don’t do those things, you don’t set the stage for social justice movements. "

"the energy goes into the ether instead of latching on to a laser beam focusing right on Capitol hill. It’s Congress that should be the focus. Congress is the only Constitutional authority that can control runaway corporate power, discipline it, break it up, challenge it, displace it with cooperatives and other economic institutions, and render it subordinate to the power of sovereign human beings. These corporations, as we all know, are artificial entities; they have no sovereignty under the Constitution; they’re not even mentioned in the Constitution, the word “company” or “corporation.” The Preamble starts “We the people,” not “We the Congress” or “We the corporations.” "

"Well, we’ve been distracted massively. The necessities of life are not treated by Google, Facebook, and Amazon and Microsoft and Apple. They don’t provide food. They don’t provide shelter. They don’t provide the mechanics of transportation. They don’t provide healthcare. They don’t provide children’s support services. They don’t provide for retirement income, based on productive factories that used to give pensions to their workers. What they do is control our time and shovel before us ways to shift around and search and look for information, which they make sure is never connected to power. And they provide us with a massive advertising media on the internet."

"we need to organize Congress ...  to take back control of Congress–which isn’t all that big a deal; we’ve got the votes, the corporations have the money but they don’t have the votes. And redirect national policy to raise the empirical reality of livelihood and opportunity in the country. Health, safety, economic well-being, public services that work ... that’s what we’ve got to do. We’ve been distracted by these illusionists. These corporations are basically illusionists. "

Scheer: "we basically have a proletariat that is rootless ... that is kept ripe for plucking, for deception ... You don’t have a United Auto Workers that can hold the Democratic Party responsible, as it held Franklin Delano Roosevelt responsible ... Or the steelworkers ... The coal miners’ union–that was what was pressuring Roosevelt and the Democrats. That pressured Truman, it pressured–you know, but then it ended. "

Nader: "We won all our victories without really electing anybody in Congress in the sixties and seventies. We won because between elections we put great pressure on key members of Congress ...Let’s just start with the necessities of life and aspire to bring the livelihoods of people and the reliability of economic expectations of people, say, to the level of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark and Finland. We can do that with less than one percent of the people organized in Congressional districts. Because look, health insurance is now supported, single-payer, without even the Democratic Party pushing it, by 70% of the people. That’s a lot of conservatives, not just liberals."

"The greatest foothold we have are the state legislatures and the Congress. OK–if that’s the foothold, what’s the fulcrum? The fulcrum is about two and a half million organized people out of 225 million adults, reflecting on many turnaround issues in Congress, majority opinion with significant inputs from conservative voters as well as liberal."

Scheer: "it’s delusionary to say oh, let’s just work harder in these Congressional districts and get people elected. Because those people will end up selling out. Because they’ll sell out to the people who can keep reelecting them and have the big money."

Nader: "things are going to get worse and worse, and pretty soon there will be either total surrender and narcissistic mass suicide, or people will say that you cannot have a moral and humane economy and government when you have artificial entities that are inherently irresponsible and unaccountable subordinating human values and civic values to the imperial commercial values. "

"you look at the future, and you see serfdom everywhere ... what door is still open? Members of Congress want to get reelected. They don’t get elected by corporations. They get funded by corporations in order to intimidate potential opponents ... you can pry open Congress in a whole variety of techniques and ways, from civic strategies to primary challenges, to using the leverage of your hard core supporters in Congress ... that’s the only tool we have under our Constitution to turn around. "

"When you go to legitimate credit unions, you weaken Bank of America. When you improve your health with diet and exercise, you weaken the drug companies and the health so-called care companies. When you develop solar energy you weaken ExxonMobil. "

Scheer: " a significant number of the people in the public that should know better, sell out, in a way that I’ve never seen before ... You try to sell out–how can I sell out? ... Your children can go to private schools and avoid all the problems of the real world of public education ...  You can wall yourself off and live in gated communities ... they can buy people off. Most of the people who work in your groups, the Nader leaders and so forth, ended up selling out. They’re the liberal class now ... "

"the appeal is of Apple, of Google and so forth; they seem enlightened on civil rights, and even workers’ rights and lifestyle differences and identity politics ... which as I say is what Huxley was warning about ... And what you have left–and that’s what you see in the Trump base ... the most alienated, the people that believed, because of their being white and their being rural  ... that they could survive. They’re the angriest, because they’ve been the most blatantly betrayed, and they’re not given the legs up in the meritocracy "

Nader: "we need a new drive of people–who don’t have this baggage, who aren’t the Ivy League sellouts, who aren’t the Hillary and Bill Clinton empire advocates and warmongers ... It can be done ... The politicians, fortunately, are still afraid of the people. They’re afraid of corporate retribution, to be sure, but the corporations don’t have all that many votes. Not yet, at least."

"we should analyze the successes, not just deprecate our failures and our downward trends, to see what works and what doesn’t work."

Read the whole thing:

https://scheerpost.com/2021/03/19/ralph-nader-democrats-ushered-in-an-era-of-corporate-fascism/

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« Reply #1225 on: March 27, 2021, 05:17:51 PM »
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late

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« Reply #1226 on: March 28, 2021, 12:53:08 AM »
Escobar interviews Hudson:

Part 1:
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/01/07/the-consequences-of-moving-from-industrial-to-financial-capitalism/

Part 2:
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/03/26/in-quest-of-a-multi-polar-world/

Too long to summarize, but here are some quotes:

"Housing in the United States now absorbs about 40 percent of the average worker’s paycheck. There’s 15 percent taken off the top of paychecks for pensions, Social Security and for Medicare. Further medical insurance adds more to the paycheck, income taxes and sales taxes add about another 10 percent. Then you have student loans and bank debt. So basically, the American worker can only spend about one third of his or her income on buying the goods and services they produce. All the rest goes into the FIRE sector — the finance, insurance and real estate sector — and other monopolies."

"It [China] had its government fund basic infrastructure. It provides low-cost education. It invests in high-speed railroads and airports, in the building of cities. So, the government bears most of the costs and, that means that employers don’t have to pay workers enough to pay a student loan debt. They don’t have to pay workers enough to pay enormous rent such as you have in the United States.  They don’t have to pay workers to save for a pension fund, to pay the pension later on.  And most of all the Chinese economy doesn’t really have to pay a banking class because banking is the most important public utility of all.  Banking is what China has kept in the hands of government "

"for the Americans, a free-market economy is free for the rentiers, free for the landlord, free for the banks to make a killing. And that is basically the class war back in business with a vengeance. "

"There’s one kind of overhead that China is really trying to avoid and that’s the military overhead because if you spend money on the military, you can’t spend it on the real economy. They’re very worried about the military and they say, how do we deter the Biden administration from actually trying a military adventure in the South China Sea or elsewhere? ... Blackstone and Wall Street are going to represent their interests. Then I think one of the, Chinese officials last week gave a big speech on this very thing, saying look, our best hope in stopping America’s military adventurism in China is to have Wall Street acting as our support because after all, Wall Street is the main campaign contributor and the president works for the campaign contributors."

" China’s aim was not to make a profit off the railroads. The railroads were built to be part of the economy. They don’t want to make profit. It was to make the real economy grow, not to make profits for the owners of the railroad stocks. The Western press can’t imagine that you’re building a railroad without trying to make money out of it."

"the financial sector saying we need liberty and by liberty, meaning we have to take planning and subsidy and economic policy and tax policy out of the hands of government. And put it in the hands of Wall Street."

"The fight against China, the fear of China is that you can’t do to China, what you did to Russia. "

"China’s not letting that happen. And Russia stopped that from happening. And the fury in the West is that somehow, the American financial system is unable to take over foreign resources, foreign agriculture. It is left only with military means of grabbing them"

"Russia and China as you pointed out, are de-dollarizing, they’re trading in each other’s currency. They’re being the exact opposite of everything that Bretton Woods tried to create. They’re trying to create independence from the United States."

"If you provide healthcare freely then the employers do not have to pay for the healthcare because that’s provided freely. In the United States, if the  corporation and the employees have to pay for healthcare, that means that the employees have to be paid a much higher wage in order to afford the healthcare, in order to afford the transportation that gets him to work, in order to afford the auto loans, in order to drive to work, all of this is free, or subsidized in other countries, who create their own credit."

" The banks fear this because they say,“Wait a minute, Modern Monetary Theory means it’s not feudal monetary theory. We want feudal monetary theory. We want the rich people to be able to have a choke point on the economy that you can’t survive unless you borrow from us and pay us interest. We want the choke points.” "

"If you want to see the future, look at Latvia, Estonia. Look at Greece. That’s the American plan. Essentially, an emigration of skilled labor, a sharp reduction of living standards, a 20 percent decline in population. And although it may appear to have more income, all of this income and GDP is, essentially, interest collection and rents to the FIRE sector."

"All the American GDP growth is essentially payment to the bank, to the landlords and the monopolist, it’s not, the population, the employees are not sharing in the GDP. It’s all concentrated at the top. They make a desert, and they call it growth. "

Read or watch the whole thing.

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« Reply #1227 on: April 08, 2021, 07:56:14 AM »
China media: no one will see your name

"blurring out Western brand logos"

"brand logos had been blurred on the t-shirts of more than 50 people"

"online shops are blocked in China and their stores have vanished from some digital maps"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56658455

Hardball. Consumer brands live and die by publicity.

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« Reply #1228 on: April 13, 2021, 02:39:31 AM »
Mate interviews Snell on the resale of a terrorist and the situation in Syria

Very good. Watch the whole thing:



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