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« Reply #150 on: December 19, 2020, 10:44:23 PM »
PS. This whole Twitter thread by Glenn Greenwald with a video by Noam Chomsky explains so well the danger of Censorship from the point of view of the Left that has not pledged allegiance to the mainstream careerist Left

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1340388753135812614?s=21
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« Reply #151 on: January 09, 2021, 11:41:09 AM »
Caitlin Johnstone (links are in the original called The Boot Is Coming Down Hard And Fast):

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In response to pressures from all directions including its own staff, Twitter has followed Facebook’s lead and removed Donald Trump’s account.

And it wasn’t just Trump. Accounts are vanishing quickly, including some popular Trump supporter accounts. I myself have lost hundreds of followers on Twitter in the last few hours, and I’ve seen people saying they lost a lot more.

It also wasn’t just Trump supporters; leftist accounts are getting suspended too. The online left is hopefully learning that cheering for Twitter “banning fascists” irrationally assumes that (A) their purges are only banning fascists and (B) they are limiting their bans to your personal definition of fascists. There is no basis whatsoever for either of these assumptions.

Google has ratcheted things up even further by removing Parler from its app store, and Apple will likely soon follow. This push to marginalize even the already fringey social media sites is making the libertarian/shitlib argument of “If you don’t like censorship just go to another platform” look pretty ridiculous.

This is all happening just in time for the Biden administration, about which critics had already been voicing grave concerns regarding the future of internet censorship.

The censorship of a political faction at the hands of a few liberal Silicon Valley billionaires will do the exact opposite of eliminating right-wing paranoia and conspiracy theories, and everyone knows it. You’re not trying to make things better, you’re trying to make them worse. You’re not trying to restore peace and order, you’re trying to force a confrontation so your political enemies can be crushed. You’re accelerationist.

A Venn diagram of people who support the latest social media purges and people who secretly hope Trumpers freak out and attempt a violent uprising would look like the Japanese flag.

https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1347605377421090817

The correct response to a huge section of the citizenry doubting an electoral system we’ve known for years is garbage would have been more transparency, not shoving the process through and silencing people who voice doubts and making that entire faction more paranoid and crazy.



Supporting the censorship of online speech is to support the authority of monopolistic tech oligarchs to exert more and more global control over human communication. Regardless of your attitude toward whoever happens to be getting deplatformed today, supporting this is suicidal.
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #152 on: February 18, 2021, 02:36:58 PM »
Misinformation Fears After Facebook Blacks Out News In Australia
https://techxplore.com/news/2021-02-misinformation-facebook-blacks-news-australia.html

Facebook's news blackout in Australia has raised fears misinformation could come to dominate the platform in the country, with fake news and conspiracy theories left untouched while credible sources have been cut off.

From Thursday Australians were unable to post links to news articles or view the Facebook pages of local and international news outlets, while Aussie news sources disappeared from the site worldwide.

The social media giant was acting in response to tough new regulations that will force it and Google to pay for the news stories shown on their platforms.

Several critical government agencies—tasked with issuing emergency Covid-19, bushfire, flood and cyclone advice—were initially caught up in the news ban before Facebook began restoring them.

An assortment of other Australian pages were also rendered blank, including cancer and homelessness charities, major businesses and even popular satire accounts.

But unaffected by the blackout were a series of pages owned by purveyors of fake news and conspiracy theories—despite their frequently posting about current events.

... Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance said the professional journalists it represents acted as a check on the spread of misinformation before their work was barred from Facebook feeds.

The Facebook blackout came just days ahead of Australia's planned vaccine rollout, raising concerns official health messaging could be drowned out by anti-vaxxer voices.

Critics hit out at the speed and scope of Facebook's action against Australia after years of what they described as its apparent reluctance to clear the platform of violence, hate speech and misinformation.

"And people wonder why this didn't happen with certain hate groups in other parts of the world, why there wasn't such an attempt to remove that content wholesale," Lucie Krahulcova of Digital Rights Watch told AFP.

... Reset Australia, which aims to counter digital threats to democracy, said the Australian news blackout revealed "just how little the platform cares about stopping misinformation".
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #153 on: February 21, 2021, 11:45:11 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/19/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-news-australia-power

An article from Marina Hyde - who takes no prisoners - on Zuckerberg. A few quotes below.

The question every politician should be asking is, what does Mark Zuckerberg want with us?

This is about more than Facebook and news – it’s about the pursuit of power in a world where companies are stronger than countries

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Of course, Facebook is the galactic leader in PR crises. In the company’s short, unimaginably powerful existence, they have made so many monstrous cock-ups and on such grand scales that it seems reasonable to predict the full collapse of human civilisation will be immediately succeeded by a Facebook statement containing the words: “We know we have more work to do.” It’ll probably have been drafted by Nick Clegg, whose political endpoint was always going to be donning Earth’s last crew-necked sweater and doing comms for the apocalypse.

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As for the rest of us, it’s hard being told how beautiful it is to connect by Zuckerberg, whose smile hasn’t connected with his eyes since 2014. If friends are so important to our common goals, how come he doesn’t have any? Maybe commodifying friendship gives Mark the excuse for not partaking in it. You don’t see crack dealers using their own product, as the saying goes.

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People often claim you’re frozen developmentally at the time you become famous, which presumably stunts Zuckerberg back at the stage he was in his Harvard dorm room. I can’t believe a product created to rate women has ended up as what the business professor and tech commentator Scott Galloway calls “the biggest prostitute of hate in the history of mankind”. Honestly, what were the chances?

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But as he accrues more and more unprecedented global power, the question every single politician should be asking themselves, like, yesterday, is: what does Mark Zuckerberg want with us? They should have clicked long ago that he isn’t remotely interested in news as an idea or service. In 2016, Zuckerberg summarily fired the team that curated “trending” news topics and replaced them with an algorithm that promptly began pushing fabricated news, as well as a video of a man wanking with a McChicken Sandwich.
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In her book The Boy Kings, Katherine Losse chronicles her time at Facebook, from being one of the firm’s earliest employees to eventually becoming the person Zuckerberg appoints to write in his voice.

One of several essays Zuckerberg instructed Losse to write in his voice was “Companies over countries”. She resigned without completing it, but not before having asked him if he could expand the slogan. “I think we are moving to a world in which we all become cells in a single organism,” came Mark’s mild reply, “where we can communicate automatically and can all work together seamlessly.” Wow. A vision of our future that has me immediately paging Morpheus.
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« Reply #154 on: March 12, 2021, 08:15:40 PM »
I really like this woman.
Perfect critique of the narrative manufacturing happening in twitter and in mainstream “propaganda” media to support Biden and the Dems no matter what.

I mean, look at the shit that the super-woke, super purist liberal Daily Beast keeps pushing, just like its brothers buzz feed, Vox, Vice News channel, and its big brothers MSNBC, CNN, The Times, The WaPo...

Arghhh
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« Reply #155 on: March 29, 2021, 05:27:13 PM »
AI: Ghost workers demand to be seen and heard

Artificial intelligence and machine learning exist on the back of a lot of hard work from humans.

Alongside the scientists, there are thousands of low-paid workers whose job it is to classify and label data - the lifeblood of such systems.

But increasingly there are questions about whether these so-called ghost workers are being exploited.

As we train the machines to become more human, are we actually making the humans work more like machines?

And what role do these workers play in shaping the AI systems that are increasingly controlling every aspect of our lives?

The most well-established of these crowdsourcing platforms is Amazon Mechanical Turk, owned by the online retail giant and run by its Amazon Web Services division.

But there are others, such as Samasource, CrowdFlower and Microworkers. They all allow businesses to remotely hire workers from anywhere in the world to do tasks that computers currently can't do.

These tasks could be anything from labelling images to help computer vision algorithms improve, providing help for natural language processing, or even acting as content moderators for YouTube or Twitter.

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aiph Savage is the director of the Human Computer Interaction Lab at West Virginia University, and her research found that for a lot of workers, the rate of pay can be as low as $2 (£1.45) per hour - and often it is unclear how many hours someone will be required to work on a particular task.

"They are told the job is worth $5 but it might take two hours," she told the BBC.

"Employers have much more power than the workers and can suddenly decide to reject work, and workers have no mechanism to do anything about it."

And she says often little is known about who the workers on the platforms are, and what their biases might be.

She cited a recent study relating to YouTube that found that the algorithm had banned some LGBTQ content.

"Dig beneath the surface and it was not the algorithm that was biased but the workers behind the scenes, who were working in a country where there was censoring of LGBTQ content."

This idea of bias is born out by Alexandrine Royer, from the Montreal AI Ethics Institute, who wrote about what she described as the urgent need for more regulation for these workers.

"The decisions made by data workers in Africa and elsewhere, who are responsible for data labelling and content moderation decisions on global platforms, feed back into and shape the algorithms internet users around the world interact with every day," she said.

"Working in the shadows of the digital economy, these so-called ghost workers have immense responsibility as the arbiters of online content."

Google searches to tweets to product review rely on this "unseen labour", she added.

"It is high time we regulate and properly compensate these workers."

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56414491
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #156 on: June 02, 2021, 02:37:37 PM »
Mass Scale Manipulation of Twitter Trends Discovered
https://techxplore.com/news/2021-06-mass-scale-twitter-trends.html

New EPFL research has found that almost half of local Twitter trending topics in Turkey are fake, a scale of manipulation previously unheard of. It also proves for the first time that many trends are created solely by bots due to a vulnerability in Twitter's Trends algorithm.

... New EPFL research focused on Turkey, from the Distributed Information Systems Laboratory, part of the School of Computer and Communication Sciences has found a vulnerability in the algorithm that decides Twitter Trending Topics: it does not take deletions into account. This allows attackers to push the trends they want to the top of Twitter Trends despite deleting their tweets which contain the candidate trend shortly afterwards.

"We found that attackers employ both fake and compromised accounts, which are the accounts of regular people with stolen credentials, or who installed a malicious app on their phones. Generally, they are not aware that their account is being used as a bot to manipulate trending topics, sometimes they are but don't know what to do about it and in both cases they keep using Twitter," said Tuğrulcan Elmas, one of the authors of the research, accepted by the IEEE European Symposium of Security and Privacy 2021, a top cybersecurity conference.

"We found that 47% of local trends in Turkey and 20% of global trends are fake, created from scratch by bots. Between June 2015 and September 2019, we uncovered 108,000 bot accounts involved, the biggest bot dataset reported in a single paper. Our research is the first to uncover the manipulation of Twitter Trends at this scale," Elmas continued.

"This manipulation has serious implications because we know that Twitter Trends get attention. Broader media outlets report on trends, which are used as a proxy for what people are talking about, but unfortunately, it's a manipulated proxy, distorting the public view of what conversations are actually going on," said Rebekah Overdorf, another of the paper's authors. "For example, one of the manipulated hashtags that we found that was pushed to Trends artificially was #SuriyelilerDefolsun, translated to 'Syrians get out,' and this was then picked up by several news reports, other social media platforms and in academic papers. In reality, it was completely fabricated," Overdorf continued.

The researchers contacted Twitter twice, with the company acknowledging in both cases the vulnerability in its Trends algorithm. In the first case Twitter declined to make any changes, in the second case the company did not respond to the researchers' follow-up emails. "The problem has not been fixed and we still see obvious spam trends occurring. It's clear that until the vulnerability in the algorithm is corrected adversaries will continue to create fake trends with the same attack methodology," concluded Elmas.

Ephemeral Astroturfing Attacks: The Case of Fake Twitter Trends. arXiv:1910.07783v4

https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.07783
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #157 on: June 15, 2021, 08:32:24 AM »
Communication Technology, Study of Collective Behavior Must Be 'Crisis Discipline'
https://phys.org/news/2021-06-technology-behavior-crisis-discipline.html

Historically collective behavior has best been understood as when animals or people exhibit coordinated action without an obvious leader. This includes how fish school to evade predators or when a crowd spontaneously breaks into applause or becomes silent.

That thinking has evolved over the past decade, the authors write, from a phenomena to a contemporary view of collective action as framework that reveals how interaction between individuals gives rise to collective action.

Researchers now say that the study of collective behavior must rise to a "crisis discipline," just like medicine, conservation and climate science have done, according to a new paper published June 14 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"We have built and adopted technology that alters behavior at global scales without a theory of what will happen or a coherent strategy for reducing harm," said Joseph B. Bak-Coleman, the lead author and a post-doctoral researcher at the University of Washington's Center for an Informed Public.

Social media and other technological developments have radically reshaped the way that information flows on a global scale. These platforms are driven to maximize engagement and profitability, not to ensure sustainability or accurate information—and the vulnerability of these systems to misinformation and disinformation poses a dire threat to health, peace, global climate and more.

No one, not even the platform creators themselves, have much understanding of how their design decisions impact human collective behavior, the authors argue.

"We urgently need to understand this and move forward with focus on developing social systems that promote well-being instead of creating shareholder value by commandeering our collective attention," said co-author Carl T. Bergstrom, a UW professor of biology and faculty at the Center for an Informed Public.

Collective behavior and other complex systems are fragile. "When perturbed, complex systems tend to exhibit finite resilience followed by catastrophic, sudden, and often irreversible changes," the authors write.

While there are studies and disciplines that focus on complex systems in the natural world, "we have a far poorer understanding of the functional consequences of recent large-scale changes to human collective behavior and decision making," the authors write.

The situation parallels challenges faced in conservation biology and climate science, where insufficiently regulated industries optimize profits while undermining the stability of ecological and Earth systems.

Joseph B. Bak-Coleman el al., "Stewardship of global collective behavior," PNAS (2021).
https://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025764118
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #158 on: June 19, 2021, 01:17:21 AM »
Excellent article by Matt Taibbi about how Ivermectin became a forbidden word and the reach of Silicon Valley social media censorship

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/why-has-ivermectin-become-a-dirty
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« Reply #159 on: June 26, 2021, 01:31:04 AM »
Invisible Force: Information War and the Future of Conflict

https://threatcasting.asu.edu/sites/default/files/2020-06/Invisible_Force_%5BWEB%5D_0.pdf

from the Army Cyber Inst at West Point

"Currently, we find ourselves  applying  industrial-age  organizations,  strategies,  and  even  technologies  to  information-age  problem  sets.  We  need  new  tools  to  help  the  Army  develop  novel  frameworks of thinking about the fight we will face in the future. As a result, the Army Cyber Institute’s information warfare team, in collaboration with Arizona State University, spent a year applying strategic foresight methodologies that developed the science fiction prototypes  illustrated  in  this  graphic  novel.  The  Army  Cyber  Institute  at  West  Point’s  mission is to influence the U.S. Army’s vision for the future and to develop military leaders of character that will confront these futures. "

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« Reply #160 on: June 26, 2021, 02:01:51 AM »
This is interesting. So Dr. Theresa Lawrie posts in LinkedIn about his most recent paper, which presents scientific evidence on the effect of Ivermectin, and the social network bans her post on the grounds of being misinformation (that is, without scientific basis or evidence, which precisely is what she wants to present!)

Like who the f**k do these Silicon Valley little pricks think they are, like Roger Waters defined Zuckerberg just a few days ago? These effing little nerds which greatest merit so far was to be good at writing code have become billionaires and have been vested with even greater authoritarian powers thanks to the US government, so much that they can silence real, potentially life-saving, science.

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« Reply #161 on: June 26, 2021, 01:54:07 PM »
  ^^ the developing thread is liable to have a short life .. b.c.
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« Reply #162 on: June 27, 2021, 12:20:42 AM »
  ^^ the developing thread is liable to have a short life .. b.c.
Ah. So there’s no problem with social media. Maybe they’re hiring for their “truth management” departments, be cause. Just tell Kassy and Oren about it shall you?

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« Reply #163 on: June 27, 2021, 09:24:05 AM »
Texas supremes rule against facebook:

"can be held liable for the conduct of pimps who use its technology to recruit and prey on children."

"Facebook lawyers argued the company was shielded from liability under Section 230 of the federal Communications Decency Act"

"Congress recently amended Section 230 to add the possibility of civil liability "

"first case to beat Facebook on its argument that it had immunity under Section 230"

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/Teen-sex-trafficking-victims-from-Houston-land-16274177.php

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« Reply #164 on: June 28, 2021, 09:34:09 PM »
Repeat: is this not a problem of social media? Or maybe because the super-star, super-repellent AOC and friends are complicit in *demanding* this control  makes it all right?

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1409498743158812675?s=21
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« Reply #165 on: June 28, 2021, 09:39:14 PM »
YouTube, Twitter, Facebook have embarked in a crusade to quench all those, left or right, that do not appease to the establishment. Green organizations may be next, be-cause…

Below Glenn Greenwald’s reaction, which is 100% correct.

Edit: YouTube has reinstated the channel after the generalized critizism they faced.

Still, the message that should remain is that Silicon Valley has become too powerful and too dangerous.

(Sorry If I am the little prick that bothers your mind, be-cause, yes I read your insult to me the other day before you deleted it, my friend “activist”,… chuckling,… lol)
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« Reply #166 on: October 16, 2021, 12:56:01 AM »
There may be things more pathetic in life than publicly begging Google or other Big Tech monopolies to ban and censor people you dislike, but if there are, not many. This is absolutely the prevailing ethos of liberalism: they live to find ways to censor things they dislike.

An entire generation and political movement trained to believe their only option when hearing things they disagree with is to crawl to Google or college administrations or HR executives and beg to have it silenced so they don't have to confront it. Only disease can come from that.

It's a state of permanent infantile vulnerability: anything unpleasant provokes endless crying until some parental figure comes and removes it so it no longer upsets them. They have no other tools, even well into adulthood, for dealing with things that make them uncomfortable.

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« Reply #167 on: October 16, 2021, 07:28:50 AM »
Is there a reason why those censored on youtube dont just put up their videos on bittorent or some such ?

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« Reply #168 on: October 16, 2021, 12:25:16 PM »
Is there a reason why those censored on youtube dont just put up their videos on bittorent or some such ?

They do, although I hesitate to provide links in support of my assertion.

My Arctic alter ego has been suffering from YouTube "censorship" of late Sidd. Anti Heller comments auto-deleted in next to no time:

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« Reply #169 on: October 16, 2021, 09:38:15 PM »
Re: I hesitate to provide links

links to ?  Presumably not youtube, since the videos have disappeared from youtube.

Vimeo, patreon, rumble come to mind. Bittorent seeds work, as will something like coralcache.

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« Reply #170 on: October 17, 2021, 05:36:49 PM »
I hesitate to provide links

Because the cases I was thinking of hail from the dark side. "Steve Goddard" et al.

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/1449698054421065728

The names NewTube & BitChute spring to mind, along with Rumble and some others.
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« Reply #171 on: October 17, 2021, 06:37:56 PM »
There are alternatives but it will shrink your audience.
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« Reply #172 on: October 17, 2021, 11:55:58 PM »
There may be things more pathetic in life than publicly begging Google or other Big Tech monopolies to ban and censor people you dislike, but if there are, not many. This is absolutely the prevailing ethos of liberalism: they live to find ways to censor things they dislike.

An entire generation and political movement trained to believe their only option when hearing things they disagree with is to crawl to Google or college administrations or HR executives and beg to have it silenced so they don't have to confront it. Only disease can come from that.

It's a state of permanent infantile vulnerability: anything unpleasant provokes endless crying until some parental figure comes and removes it so it no longer upsets them. They have no other tools, even well into adulthood, for dealing with things that make them uncomfortable.

It is pathetic.  They probably cannot accept failure either and try to cover it up.

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« Reply #173 on: October 18, 2021, 07:29:03 PM »
But that is only one angle to approach it.

The companies actively promote division:

I'm the BBC's first specialist disinformation reporter - and I receive abusive messages on social media daily. Most are too offensive to share unedited. The trigger? My coverage of the impact of online conspiracies and fake news. I expect to be challenged and criticised - but misogynistic hate directed at me has become a very regular occurrence.

...

We set up a fake troll account across the five most popular social media platforms to see whether they are promoting misogynistic hate to such users. Using an AI-generated photograph, we designed our fake troll to be similar to the people who sent me abuse. Our troll engaged with content recommended by the social media platforms, but did not send out any hate.

...

We discovered:

Our troll account was recommended more and more anti-women content by Facebook and Instagram, some involving sexual violence.
Female reality TV contestants - including those on this year's Love Island - are disproportionately targeted on social media, with abuse frequently rooted in misogyny and combined with racism.

...

Social media companies say they take online hate against women seriously - and they have rules to protect users from abuse. These include suspending, restricting or even shutting down accounts sending hate.

But my experience suggests they often don't. I reported some of the worst messages I've ever received - including threats to come to my house to rape me and commit horrific sexual acts - to Facebook when I received them. But months later, the account remained on Facebook, along with dozens of other Instagram and Twitter accounts sending me abuse.

It turns out my experience is part of a pattern. New research for this programme by the Centre for Countering Digital Hate, shows how 97% of 330 accounts sending misogynistic abuse on Twitter and Instagram remained on the site after being reported.

Twitter and Instagram say they take action when their rules are violated, and closing accounts isn't the only option.

and more:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58924168

Also i don´t think you need to worry too much about complaints registered with the platforms but more what they do or not do on their own whims.
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #174 on: October 18, 2021, 07:42:46 PM »
"According to a former paid Russian Internet troll, the trolls are on duty 24 hours a day, in 12-hour shifts, and each has a daily quota of 135 posted comments of at least 200 characters."

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

How troll tactics work. For example, "When information volume is low, recipients tend to favor experts, but when information volume is high, recipients tend to favor information from other users."
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #175 on: October 21, 2021, 09:23:32 AM »
In a press release yesterday Trump Media & Technology Group announced that:

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Trump Media & Technology Group and Digital World Acquisition Corp. (NASDAQ: DWAC) have entered into a definitive merger agreement, providing for a business combination that will result in Trump Media & Technology Group becoming a publicly listed company, subject to regulatory and stockholder approval.  The transaction values Trump Media & Technology Group at an initial enterprise value of $875 Million, with a potential additional earnout of $825 Million in additional shares (at the valuation they are granted) for a cumulative valuation of up to $1.7 Billion depending on the performance of the stock price post-business combination. Trump Media & Technology Group’s growth plans initially will be funded by DWAC’s cash in trust of $293 Million (assuming no redemptions).

Trump Media & Technology Group's mission is to create a rival to the liberal media consortium and fight back against the "Big Tech” companies of Silicon Valley, which have used their unilateral power to silence opposing voices in America.

Trump Media & Technology Group (“TMTG”) will soon be launching a social network, named "TRUTH Social."  TRUTH Social is now available for Pre-Order in the Apple App store.  TRUTH Social plans to begin its Beta Launch for invited guests in November 2021.  A nationwide rollout is expected in the first quarter of 2022.  Those who are interested in joining TRUTH Social may now visit www.truthsocial.com to sign up for the invite list. 

President Donald J. Trump, the Chairman of TMTG, stated, “I created TRUTH Social and TMTG to stand up to the tyranny of Big Tech. We live in a world where the Taliban has a huge presence on Twitter, yet your favorite American President has been silenced. This is unacceptable. I am excited to send out my first TRUTH on TRUTH Social very soon. TMTG was founded with a mission to give a voice to all. I'm excited to soon begin sharing my thoughts on TRUTH Social and to fight back against Big Tech. Everyone asks me why doesn’t someone stand up to Big Tech? Well, we will be soon!”

Via Yahoo! Finance:

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #176 on: October 21, 2021, 10:01:50 AM »
Pravda* was also an oxymoron.

Pravda means Truth

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #177 on: October 21, 2021, 12:05:08 PM »
What about “CNN, the most trusted name in news”?

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #178 on: October 21, 2021, 01:02:40 PM »
It's the new Pravda, which vox_mundi will happily quote to spread propaganda that keeps the system safe and running.
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #179 on: October 21, 2021, 09:19:36 PM »
I think that is overly salty.

Vox posts  a wide array of news which also quite often features really cool science and more generic reports too because we need those too.

All official news sources are problematic because our world is still hell bound on growing into collapse but sometimes you need to report on the general news too.
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #180 on: October 21, 2021, 11:26:19 PM »
Should've bought DWAC market on open?
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #181 on: October 24, 2021, 03:06:56 PM »
At the risk of drifting even further off topic, it seems that some poor souls (literally by now?) decided that buying DWAC "market on open" on Friday was a particularly cunning plan:
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #182 on: October 25, 2021, 12:38:16 AM »
I think that is overly salty.

Vox posts  a wide array of news which also quite often features really cool science and more generic reports too because we need those too.

All official news sources are problematic because our world is still hell bound on growing into collapse but sometimes you need to report on the general news too.


Some only see what they are meant to see while some like Neven have the gift to see through the layers of disguise.

You are right in what you state but Neven is right too, one does not contradict the other statement.

Most of Vox's topics are interesting topics, topics I'm very interested in and even though he posts mostly kind of information (publicly available after some gusto) for some reason I came to the same conclusion and stopped reading.

In short, there is something to what Neven says (means) no matter the rest.

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #183 on: October 26, 2021, 07:38:31 PM »
Neven in #0 (March 06, 2018): "Is it possible to solve these problems? And if so, how?"

(Oct 26, 2021) https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1453014062934134801
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There is a new ecosystem of media platforms emancipating people from the increasingly rigid ideological tyranny of Big Tech monopolies: Substack and Rumble are two examples. A new podcast app, @getcallin, is already growing. There are others. This, for now, is the best way out.

More:
https://story.rumble.com/rumble-acquires-locals-to-help-build-a-bigger-creator-economy/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/anti-cancel-culture-platforms-rumble-and-locals-combine-to-take-on-big-tech

Btw, Jimmy Dore is also on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/TheJimmyDoreShow

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #184 on: November 05, 2021, 11:04:43 AM »
Update for the post above:

Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton, Jimmy Dore, Graham Elwood, Abby Martin, Lee Camp, Michael Tracey, Ron Placone, Katie Halper, Elizabeth Vos, Matt Orfalea, ... at https://www.rokfin.com
Jesse Ventura, Chris Hedges, Lee Camp, ... at https://www.portable.tv/

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #185 on: December 17, 2021, 12:35:40 AM »
An interesting and illuminating interview to one of the two (libertarian) co-founders of Wikipedia




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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #186 on: December 17, 2021, 03:23:24 PM »
One of the many reason that I have never truest Wikipedia for accurate information.

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #187 on: January 05, 2022, 09:37:15 AM »
Warning, this is actually not the onion: WSJ

"To lawmakers and advocacy groups on the right ... their message was that Ms. Haugen was trying to help Democrats. "

"Later, Facebook lobbyists warned Democratic staffers that Republicans were focused on the company’s decision to ban expressions of support for Kyle Rittenhouse"

"muddy the waters, divide lawmakers along partisan lines and forestall a cross-party alliance that was emerging to enact tougher rules on social-media companies in general and Facebook in particular."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-whistleblower-pushback-political-spin-zuckerberg-11640786831

C'mon WSJ. Write a story on the banks doin the same thing ... for more than a hundred years ...

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #188 on: April 25, 2022, 09:23:21 PM »
It’s official, Elon Musk just bought Twitter which will go private.

No idea of what Twitter will eventually become, I don’t like the new owner a bit. But at the moment, it is joyous to watch all the censorship-loving fauna crying like babies.
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« Reply #189 on: April 25, 2022, 09:48:19 PM »
It’s official, Elon Musk just bought Twitter which will go private.

No idea of what Twitter will eventually become, I don’t like the new owner a bit. But at the moment, it is joyous to watch all the censorship-loving fauna crying like babies.


+1 both while he has his merrits, no matter what, perhaps the two sides are complementary and necessary to move things on that level.

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« Reply #190 on: April 25, 2022, 10:10:16 PM »
And the game of consequences from Musk being Mr Twitter will be?....

Trump will be soooo jealous when he realises one individual has control over such a large slice of social media - and it isn't him. (And how long before Trump is back on Twitter?)

Will some of the minor far right social media platforms go bust when Musk declares "anything goes" on twitter?

Will the prevalence of ad hominem attacks and general abuse increase to a continuous roar so that nervous souls (such as myself) commence implementation of a TAP (twitter avoidance programme)? (I have already implemented mine).
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #191 on: April 26, 2022, 07:18:15 AM »
Twitter is small, around 7% of world internet users, around 25% in USA. Of that USA 25%, 4 in five have never posted anything. And thats not even accounting for the bots and sockpuppets.

Twitter seems important because as greenwald and others point out, it is where most the western media shares their pearls of wisdom before the swine.

I notice telegram reach is rising swiftly these days.

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« Reply #192 on: April 26, 2022, 08:33:34 AM »
As of January 2021 there were 4.66 billion active internet users worldwide.
7 % of 4.66 billion is not small.
I do not know what Mr Musk is thinking.
Musk is arguably the most influential person alive at this point in time .
What he is thinking and how he goes about leveraging his holding in twitter  will have impact on all of us.




 
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« Reply #193 on: April 26, 2022, 09:01:36 AM »
Will the prevalence of ad hominem attacks and general abuse increase to a continuous roar
I expect so.

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« Reply #194 on: April 26, 2022, 10:25:38 AM »
Musk & Twitter

As a fully paid up, card carrying pinko leftie liberal, I thought I would share an opinion by Robert Reich.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/24/elon-musk-twitter-billionaire-robert-reich
Elon Musk wants to own Twitter to protect his ‘freedom’, not everyone else’s

Billionaires like Musk use their vast wealth to build a world unconstrained by laws, shareholders or accountability


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Elon Musk has now put together a $46.5bn financing package to buy Twitter – two thirds of it from his own assets, and a third from bank loans secured against Twitter’s assets. It’s the biggest acquisition financing ever put forward for one person.

Twitter’s founder and top managers don’t want Musk to take over the company. They offered him a seat on the board but he didn’t want it because he’d have to be responsible to all other shareholders. Now they’re adopting a “poison pill” to stop him. But Musk plans to buy shares directly with a tender offer that shareholders can’t refuse. After all, it’s a free market.

Musk says no one should object to what he wants to do with Twitter because he’s a “free speech absolutist” – and who can be against free speech? Besides, he and his apologists say, if consumers don’t like what he does with Twitter they can go elsewhere. Freedom to choose.

Free market? Free speech? Free choice?

When billionaires like Musk justify their motives by using the word “freedom”, beware. What they actually seek is freedom from accountability. They want to use their vast fortunes to do whatever they please – unconstrained by laws or regulations, shareholders, or even consumers.

The “free market” increasingly reflects the demands of big money. Unfriendly takeovers, such as Musk is mounting at Twitter, weren’t part of the “free market” until the late 1970s and early 1980s. Before then, laws and regulations constrained them. Then came corporate raiders like Carl Icahn and Michael Milken. Their MO was to find corporations whose assets were worth more than their stock value, borrow against them, acquire enough shares to force them to cut costs (such as laying off workers, abandoning their communities, busting unions, and taking on crushing debt), and cash in.

But the raiders’ antics often imposed huge social costs. They pushed America from stakeholder capitalism (where workers and communities had a say in what corporations did) to shareholder capitalism (where the sole corporate goal is to maximize shareholder value). Inequality skyrocketed, insecurity soared, vast swaths of America were abandoned, and millions of good jobs vanished.

The raiders altered the “free market” to allow them to do this. That’s what the super-rich do. There’s no “free market” in nature. The “free market” depends on laws and rules. If you have enough money, you can buy changes in those laws and rules that make you even more money. (You can also get the government to subsidize you – Musk has received a reported $4.9bn so far.)

“Free speech” is another freedom that turns on wealth. As a practical matter, your ability to be heard turns on the size of the megaphone you can buy. If you’re extremely rich you can buy the Washington Post or own Fox News. If you’re the wealthiest person in the world you can buy one of the biggest megaphones in the world, called Twitter – and then decide who can use it, what its algorithms are going to be, and how it either invites or filters out big lies.

Musk said last week that he doesn’t care about the economics of the deal and is pursuing it because it is “extremely important to the future of civilization.” Fine, but who anointed Musk to decide the future of civilization?

Which brings us to free choice. If consumers don’t like what Musk does with Twitter, they cannot simply switch to another Twitter-like platform. There aren’t any. The largest social media platforms have grown gigantic because anyone who wants to participate in them and influence debate has to join them. After they reach a certain size, they’re the only megaphone in town. Where else would consumers go to post short messages that can reach tens of millions of people other than Twitter?

With social media, the ordinary rules of competition don’t apply. Once a platform is dominant it becomes even more dominant. As Donald Trump discovered with his Truth Social fiasco, upstarts don’t stand much chance.

Musk’s real goal has nothing to do with the freedom of others. His goal is his own unconstrained freedom – the freedom to wield enormous power without having to be accountable to laws and regulations, to shareholders, or to market competition – which is why he’s dead set on owning Twitter.

Unlike his ambitions to upend transportation and interstellar flight, this one is dangerous. It might well upend democracy.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His new book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a Guardian US columnist. His newsletter is at robertreich.substack.com
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #195 on: April 26, 2022, 01:01:13 PM »
Robert Reich contradicts himself. So now he complains of billionaire owned media. He didn’t see a risk when Bezos bought WaPo, or with Facebook owner, or Google owners (all of them billionaires). As long as they play nice… but here comes Musk and his “commitment to free speech” (we”ll see) and it’s the end of the world for the shitlibs.

Note the blatant contradiction between the two following tweets.

It’s this kind of dishonest people I detest so much.

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« Reply #196 on: April 26, 2022, 01:26:20 PM »
Some people feel that the first amendment should apply solely to that speech they want to hear.

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« Reply #197 on: April 26, 2022, 02:48:52 PM »
This is more like it.

Musk becoming owner of Twitter doesn’t change anything in terms of billionaires owning the main media outlets.

Musk honoring his commitment to free speech would be THE change. We’ll see.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1518755988052058112?s=21&t=6FdmUsmpcMi7ydqSLGa3qg

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #198 on: April 26, 2022, 03:51:51 PM »
Just to be clear, absolute free speech also means that the Islamic state and other terrorist organizations can spread their hate on twitter, as well as porn, child pornography, etc., etc...

Do we really want absolute free speech? Or do we need a rule that what's not allowed on the street, should not be allowed on twitter?

Hate speech and defamation should not be allowed. We need civility and respect, or this world will completely fall apart.

90% of the world is religious, but somehow "love thy neighbour" became "fuck thy neighbours", if they don't agree with your point of view.

WTF happened?

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #199 on: April 26, 2022, 04:04:40 PM »
Damn .. so I was doing the work of billionaires without receiving a penny .
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