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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2019, 10:16:48 PM »
Re: how many on darknets ?

very few. At any given time there are a million or two machines on the Tor network. How many humans behind them ? dunno, but the fraction is probably less than 1% of all internet users.

The other darknets like I2P are much smaller than Tor. But remember there are huge darknets in the internal networks of large organizations inaccessible (without some effort) from the open net. And then there are private darknets run by actors who think it important not to be tracked but do not connect to Tor or the like. I run one myself, essentially just a series of encrypted tunnels with roughly constant traffic flow to evade traffic analysis. There are typically less than a dozen users, all personally known to me.

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2019, 12:51:07 AM »
When discussions (political or otherwise) turn threatening or violent, ending anonymity is a wonderful way to shut one side up and hand a major win to the bad guys.

exactly what i thought while reading, just don't have the skills to reply short like you do LOL

about 18 years ago i wrote and article online about a U.S. President to be a moron and it cost me dearly (at least they thought it would while not really LOL)

further one just would have to imagine what the Nazi's would have had for advantage if they only had to sift through everyone's old post from a time when none of them was suspicious about what's coming?

it could well have changed things to the even worse.

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« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2019, 02:08:14 AM »
The internet is the most tremendously artificial means of socialisation that human beings have yet devised. It's MO, really, is all about power, greed and ego. It's not really about sharing, cooperation, tolerance, understanding and forgiveness at all. The greatest challenge of this sort to the human spirit so far.

Take that up a notch. Tolerance and forgiveness, that is. In fact, take it up two notches and what do you get? Love and mercy. Because tolerance is love and love is tolerance. Forgiveness is mercy and mercy is forgiveness. Contemplate that for a while and see what you get. Perhaps you do already. Most do not. They compartmentalise and don't see one thing is the same as another. The exceptions prove these rules.

Anonymity on the Internet today is a Human Right. It should be added to the 1948 Declaration. It should be a human right that legally precludes Government agencies everywhere from tracking and monitoring Internet uses as much as it should be banned for GooFaceTwit to do it as well.

The exceptions is for clear cases of illegal behaviour and/or reasonable cause supported with hard evidence. Every exception should be presented to a duly qualified Court. The same as used to happen with peoples mail, telephone calls and their private conversations at home, work or at the local pub. 

Enlightenment principles preclude the destruction of everyone's human rights on the basis that a small percentage of society are a threat. For example taking the 5th is as much about protections for innocent parties as it is an out for the guilty. It's a solid proven principle. No one would demand the end of the Police or Government requirement to obtain a search warrant before coming into heir home.

And yet the SOP that allows the ILLEGALITY of GooFaceTwit and the NSA and everyone else to be able to breach individual's privacy in their own homes (and you computer/smart phone IS YOUR HOME) has become the new norm as a direct result of the global abuse of power, unbridled greed and haughty narcissistic egos.
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« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2019, 02:22:03 AM »
The greatest proven threat to Human Rights and Life has been Government secrecy and warmongering elites. This proven fact of history goes back for thousands of years.

The threat does not come from people in society who hate socialism, who hate capitalism, who hate jews, or hate what Israel does, who hate LGBTI people, or who hate neo-nazis, or who hate too many Latino immigrants, or who hate Islam and Muslims and Arabs, or who hate Christianity, or who hate atheists, or who hate people who accept the science of climate change either.
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« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2019, 04:01:06 AM »
Richard King "On Offence: The Politics of Indignation"

Richard argues in his new book that there is a new mood of self-pity and self-righteousness.

People are now more likely to parade their hurt feelings in public, which is poisoning debate.

Richard says freedom of speech means nothing without the freedom to offend. 

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/11/18/3893227.htm
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2019, 03:19:00 AM »
We must denounce the idea of speech as violence
By Jonathan Zimmerman March 2, 2019

You can’t have a free university — or a free society — on those terms. Words will always offend someone. And if you construe them as violent, you clear the way for physical assault upon anyone who gives offense.

That seems to be what happened last month at Berkeley, where one attacker said that conservative speech encouraged violence. But the rest of us encourage it, too, if we don’t step up to denounce the whole idea of speech as violence. It’s too easy to criticize Trump for stoking hate and intolerance. It’s a lot harder to look in the mirror.

Jonathan Zimmerman teaches education and history at the University of Pennsylvania and is the author “Campus Politics: What Everyone Needs to Know” (Oxford University Press, 2016).

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/article/We-must-denounce-the-idea-of-speech-as-violence-13656639.php
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« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2019, 03:19:28 AM »
This is about a smartphone App which kind of fits this 'social media' thread.

Google, siding with Saudi Arabia, refuses to remove widely-criticized government app which lets men track women and control their travel

https://www.thisisinsider.com/absher-google-refuses-to-remove-saudi-govt-app-that-tracks-women-2019-3
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2019, 04:12:19 AM »
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Rep. Ilhan Omar: Anti-Semitic to the Bone
By Rick Moran March 2, 2019

Rep. Ilhan Omar is once again under fire for using an anti-Semitic trope about the "dual loyalty" of supporters of Israel. [...]

So voicing support for Israel — or talking to members of Congress about supporting Israel or urging my neighbors to support Israel — is the same thing as telling people to give their allegiance to Israel?

She's dumber than she looks.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/rep-ilhan-omar-anti-semitic-to-the-bone/

I don't think so. She's much smarter than Rick Moran and far more honest and logical about everything.

The US Political system and it's subservient Media is overflowing with Dual Loyalists who have repeatedly placed the interests of Israel the country, it's Economic Interests, and it's Israeli Governments far ahead of the Interests of the American people and the USA.

Which has repeatedly constantly operated above International Law, The United Nations consensus, and against Human Rights Law. It's a very very long list of Israeli Apologists infesting the BAU MIC Neocon Neoliberal empire building system of the USA.

Rep. Ilhan Omar is simply pointing out the obvious overt and factual truth that the Emperor has no clothes!

Consider this in light of the above:
S.I. Rosenbaum
A shocking number of Jews have become willing collaborators in white supremacy
https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2019/03/01/the-last-temptation-michael-cohen/1d1163vl6NuUpSndJ7wOpO/story.html?p1=Article_FeatureStrip

Social media, including now rampant censorship by GooFaceTwit, the RW Ideological Think Tanks, the Hasbara  (Hebrew: הַסְבָּרָה) Bots, and the Israeli Government's High Tech involvement in social media manipulation and vile abuse / threats of people and their free speech rights - is where these things are being played out in society.

The doco called The Lobby is well worth watching - in three parts via Al Jazeera
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2019, 05:56:46 AM »
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Trending
Rep. Ilhan Omar: Anti-Semitic to the Bone
By Rick Moran March 2, 2019

Rep. Ilhan Omar is once again under fire for using an anti-Semitic trope about the "dual loyalty" of supporters of Israel. [...]

So voicing support for Israel — or talking to members of Congress about supporting Israel or urging my neighbors to support Israel — is the same thing as telling people to give their allegiance to Israel?

She's dumber than she looks.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/rep-ilhan-omar-anti-semitic-to-the-bone/
Not used since 2018 - he got 2 Likes in total - But it still hasn't shut him up. :)
https://twitter.com/rickmoran_rwnh?lang=en

and old dead website not used since 2015 - But it still has not shut him up. :)
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/

Which leaves PJ media and American Thinker - surely a contradiction in terms? :)
https://www.americanthinker.com/author/rick_moran/

But Zimmerman in his article mentioned above did say something that I think could be useful - not only about Cohen and Trump and anti-Semitism, but about Ilhan Omar, the Palestinians, The Lobby, the 'problem' with Social Media but much more than that as well.

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On Monday, when Cohen used the national spotlight to address the president directly, he sounded like a new man: “You don’t separate families from one another or demonize those looking to America for a better life,” Cohen said. “You don’t vilify people based on the God they pray to.”

He continued, “To those who support the president and his rhetoric as I once did, I pray the country doesn’t make the same mistakes I have made, or pay the heavy price that my family and I are paying.”

He could easily have been addressing his fellow Jews.

Cohen’s collaboration with a racist regime was simply a more extreme version of the same deal so many light-skinned Jews make with white supremacy.

Even those of us who consider ourselves liberal or progressive can be deeply ambivalent about the conditional whiteness bestowed upon us in the United States over the past 60 years. We work in the all-white office and we never point out that it’s all white. We move our children to a whiter school — not because we care about race, we say, but because education is so important. We laugh at the racist joke. We hedge our bets. White supremacy is a protection racket; it offers security on one hand and a lethal threat on the other.

Other minorities make this bargain too, sometimes — look at Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas — [ Barack Obama, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris, Eric Holder too?], but Jews more easily succumb because so many of us easily pass as white.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2019/03/01/the-last-temptation-michael-cohen/1d1163vl6NuUpSndJ7wOpO/story.html?p1=Article_FeatureStrip
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« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2019, 06:16:34 AM »
People who are not anonymous cause far more problems than those who are.

Greenpeace founder turned climate change skeptic Patrick Moore has reignited his feud with Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, calling her a “pompous little twit” and "garden-variety hypocrite” in a barrage of tweets. 


    Pompous little twit. You don’t have a plan to grow food for 8 billion people without fossil fuels, or get the food into the cities. Horses? If fossil fuels were banned every tree in the world would be cut down for fuel for cooking and heating. You would bring about mass death.
    — Patrick Moore (@EcoSenseNow) February 23, 2019

    The "world as it is" has the option of taking the subway rather than a taxi. option of Amtrak rather than plane, option of opening windows rather than A/C. You're just a garden-variety hypocrite like the others. And you have ZERO expertise at any of the things you pretend to know
    — Patrick Moore (@EcoSenseNow) March 3, 2019

    Yep, arrogance plus ignorance (of science, technology, history, etc.) is a recipe for disaster, especially when the person delivering it is so outwardly attractive. Unfortunately there is an immature bully inside who would stop at nothing to gain control. https://t.co/QXDx72f2KW
    — Patrick Moore (@EcoSenseNow) March 3, 2019

https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/1099332287282307072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2019, 09:20:43 AM »
The Social Media Meme goes like this: Pro-Palestinian = Anti-Semitic

That's called a Non-Sequitur = it does not follow.

It's false. Another everyday example of Fake News.

It's Israel, racist xenophobes, bigots, fundamentalists, Neocons, The Lobby, and the US national security apparatus weaponising Identity Politics in defence of the indefensible.

There's a new World War going on today.

The battlefield where this is taking place is your Mind.

Democratic Rep. Nita Lowey (NY) on Twitter.
    Lawmakers must be able to debate w/o prejudice or bigotry. I am saddened that Rep. Omar continues to mischaracterize support for Israel. I urge her to retract this statement and engage in further dialogue with the Jewish community on why these comments are so hurtful.
    — Nita Lowey (@NitaLowey) March 2, 2019

    I have not mischaracterized our relationship with Israel, I have questioned it and that has been clear from my end.
    — Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) March 3, 2019

    Gross islamophobic stereotypes - like those about @IlhanMN recently featured on posters in WVA - are offensive and have no place in political discourse. Anti-Semitic tropes that accuse Jews of dual loyalty are equally painful and must also be roundly condemned.
    — Nita Lowey (@NitaLowey) March 2, 2019

People who are not anonymous cause far more problems than those who are.
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« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2019, 10:28:56 AM »
I normally avoid posting on hopeless matters, so this one is a rarity for me.

The US Political system and it's subservient Media is overflowing with Dual Loyalists who have repeatedly placed the interests of Israel the country, it's Economic Interests, and it's Israeli Governments far ahead of the Interests of the American people and the USA.

Which has repeatedly constantly operated above International Law, The United Nations consensus, and against Human Rights Law. It's a very very long list of Israeli Apologists infesting the BAU MIC Neocon Neoliberal empire building system of the USA.
I tend to agree. Just don't confuse the interests of the Israeli people with the interest of the Israeli government. The people are torn in half between racist/religious/brainwashed "right wing" and liberal/free thinking "left wing" with large minorities of Arab-Israelis and Orthodox Jews (I am very much simplifying matters of course), with the government constantly fanning hatred between any and all political and religious groups. The government's (=Netanyahu's) interest of course is to rule forever and avoid criminal prosecution at all costs.
The Occupation should have been ended a long time ago, and the more it continues the more fascist the country is becoming.

The Social Media Meme goes like this: Pro-Palestinian = Anti-Semitic
That's called a Non-Sequitur = it does not follow.
It's false. Another everyday example of Fake News.
I agree.

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« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2019, 11:08:46 AM »
Thanks good comment.

The people are torn in half between ...

Not only there. I think we all are in multiple ways.
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« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2019, 04:25:22 PM »
THis reminds of something Martin Gisser said recently about "de-friending" approach to friends and relatives. .

American Civil War 2: US media will have only itself to blame if all hell breaks loose

With a level of audacity and self-righteousness that has become a trademark of the Left, not once did the article float the possibility that just maybe the mainstream media is complicit in the ongoing deterioration of political discourse, or that the Democrats are just as much to blame as the Republicans for the political fallout that now presents a grave risk to the Republic.

As many knowledgeable Americans will openly admit, battle lines have been drawn across the political and cultural frontier. This division is perhaps most conspicuous on social media, where friends and family who disagree with our political worldview get the ‘nuke option’ and are effortlessly vanquished (‘unfriended’) with the push of a button. This is a worrying development.

The real danger will come when Americans from both sides of the political divide stop talking and start erecting electronic barriers around their political belief systems. Not even family members are spared from the tumult; just because people share the same bloodline does not automatically mean they share the same political views. America, though still green behind the ears, may understand that fact better than many other countries.

[...]

If the mainstream media continues to slavishly serve just one political master over another, it will only have itself to blame for what comes next. Its prejudiced and agenda-based reporting is a disgrace and really nothing short of a bona fide national security threat.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/453062-new-us-civil-war/
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« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2019, 04:57:04 AM »
Examples?

    Our democracy is built on debate, Congresswoman! I should not be expected to have allegiance/pledge support to a foreign country in order to serve my country in Congress or serve on committee. The people of the 5th elected me to serve their interest. I am sure we agree on that! https://t.co/gglAS4FVJW
    — Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) March 3, 2019

    I have said to people when they ask me, if this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to our aid, I don’t even call it our aid, our cooperation with Israel. That’s fundamental to who we are.
    -Nancy Pelosi 2018 IAC National Conf pic.twitter.com/xnWSZOUVE8
    — Battle Beagle (@HarmlessYardDog) March 5, 2019

    Contrary to the ugly & bigoted implication @juliaioffe tried to spread about @IlhanMN, the Congresswoman has repeatedly attacked US support for Saudi Arabia and said that it's due to Saudi money influencing DC. For some reason, that created no controversy pic.twitter.com/rDxhUATvzT
    — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 5, 2019

    23 years ago, from a refugee camp in Kenya, my father and I arrived at an airport in Washington DC.
    Today, we return to that same airport on the eve of my swearing in as the first Somali-American in Congress. #Hope#Ilhan 🙏🏾 pic.twitter.com/jVeP3DOipN
    — Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) January 2, 2019

It was all part of the Democrats’ strategy to portray themselves as the intersectional party of diversity and inclusion, feminism, anti-racism, social justice, environmentalism, progress, etc.

By contrast, they argued, President Donald Trump and the Republicans represented racism and bigotry, “pale, male and stale.”

The problem with this approach is its fundamental bigotry: Democrats assumed Omar would share all their political positions on account of her faith, gender, ethnicity and skin color.

    Israel Lobby Rebuts Omar’s Claims About Its Immense Influence By Exerting Its Immense Influence https://t.co/LOrUW9RbVf   pic.twitter.com/w71BS80WZx
    — Ron Paul Institute (@RonPaulInstitut) March 5, 2019

More to the point, nobody in her party bothered to inform the Somali-born congresswoman that the one cardinal rule of mainstream US politics is to never even notice, much less criticize, the Israel lobby. And how could they, since even bringing up the subject opens one to accusations of anti-Semitism? It’s a conundrum, to be sure.

    The Democratic Party's throwing of @IlhanMN under the bus is an (unfortunately unsurprising) disgrace. She raised entirely legitimate concerns about US support for the murderous apartheid government of Israel & the subservience of US politicians to the agenda of a foreign power.
    — jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) March 5, 2019

    This is so important. @IlhanMN is a powerful moral voice at time when very few (even progressive) Democrats speak clearly and knowledgeably on foreign policy. She deserves unreserved support. #IStandWithIlhan https://t.co/5dvnYviJww
    — Naomi Klein (@NaomiAKlein) March 5, 2019

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The problem with Social Media? One is how easily the narrative can be manipulated and two is how easily individuals can be personally targetted, threatened and/or blackmailed by nefarious forces - based solely on their personal views, opinions and their membership in a pro-human-rights, pro-justice, pro-democracy activist group. 

The Electronic Intifada has obtained a complete copy of The Lobby – USA, a four-part undercover investigation by Al Jazeera into Israel’s covert influence campaign in the United States - using Social media platforms to achieve their ends. The film was made by Al Jazeera during 2016 and was completed in October 2017.

Parts 1 & 2
https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

Parts 3 & 4
https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-final-episodes-al-jazeera-film-us-israel-lobby/25896

The Lobby - the original UK version
https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/

Related abuse of Social media platforms, of anonymity, of Government / Intel / Mil.  Services funded (controlled?) Social Media operations - search for Integrity Initiate (UK) and New Foundation (USA)

Related Censorship issues - https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/al-jazeera-denies-qatari-emir-censored-israel-lobby-film

Multiple examples of censorship the last 12 months by Facebook - Twitter - Youtube platforms can easily be found - oddly enough via Social Media :)
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« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2019, 09:18:27 AM »
 Corporations have created a new kind of marketplace out of our private human experiences. That is the conclusion of an explosive new book that argues big tech platforms like Facebook and Google are elephant poachers, and our personal data is ivory tusks.

Author Shoshana Zuboff writes in “The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power”: “At its core, surveillance capitalism is parasitic and self-referential. It revives Karl Marx’s old image of capitalism as a vampire that feeds on labor, but with an unexpected turn. Instead of labor, surveillance capitalism feeds on every aspect of every human’s experience.”

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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2019, 10:06:16 AM »
Part 2

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« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2019, 11:25:21 AM »
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Facebook deliberately broke privacy and competition law and should urgently be subject to statutory regulation, according to a devastating parliamentary report denouncing the company and its executives as “digital gangsters”.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/feb/18/facebook-fake-news-investigation-report-regulation-privacy-law-dcms

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/feb/18/a-digital-gangster-destroying-democracy-the-damning-verdict-on-facebook

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8449366/facebook-digital-gangster-broke-law-mark-zuckerberg-fake-news/

https://www.businessinsider.sg/facebook-like-digital-gangsters-damian-collins-2019-2/?r=US&IR=T

Thank You America!

18 February 2019
UK Parliament - Disinformation and ‘fake news’: Final Report published 
The Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee has published its final report on Disinformation and ‘fake news’.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/fake-news-report-published-17-19/

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The key thing that I want our viewers to know is that surveillance capitalism doesn't stop at Facebook and right now it's a hugely positive development that we are looking at Facebook with this kind of scrutiny and perhaps moving to finally regulate this corporation -- but that is the beginning not the end of our challenge

Surveillance Capitalism is an economic logic that includes but moves far beyond Facebook at this point in time and so we are going to need the social response that addresses interrupts and outlaws this new economic logic not just a single company or not just a couple of companies

You write "a global architecture of behavior modification threatens human nature in the 21st century" explain.

All right well once you understand that surveillance capitalism is an economic logic it is not the same as technology this is one of the big lies that has been perpetrated that the these methodologies are the only way that digital technology can work that there's an inevitable-ist propaganda that has been fed to us so we need to pull these issues apart --

Ee have digital technology which we believed would be emancipatory empowering democratizing and it still can be -- in the last 20 years it has been overtaken hijacked by an economic logic whose economic imperatives put it on a collision course with democracy both from below and from above.

One of the things that surveillance capitalists learned is that the most powerful predictions of human behavior come from actually intervening in our behavior - touching our behavior to nudge to influence to tune to herd our behavior toward its commercial outcomes.

And what this has done is made them take hold of the digital media -- all of the devices beginning with our phones and our laptops but the sensors the facial recognition the smart dishwasher the smart television set the Smart TESLA car the Smart City all of this digital infrastructure now has been taken by surveillance capitalism as a way to nudge and tune and herd our behavior toward it's guaranteed outcomes.

It does this with subliminal cues it's a highly scientific process it does this in ways that it brags about are always outside of our awareness so that we have no right of combat we cannot resist we cannot say no and we cannot exit so this is what I call a global means of behavioural modification

We are essentially this great digital architecture that we've built in order to be an emancipatory and life-giving process for us and help us in our lives has now become commandeered by surveillance capitalism as a means to modify our behavior toward its commercial ends which is a direct assault on human autonomy.

A direct
assault on our decision rights a direct assault on the whole notion of individual sovereignty.

Back in the 1970s there was a US Senate committee that included people like Edward Kennedy and Sam Ervin these folks met for many months and they decided that behavioral modification was a pernicious action that it was a complete defiance of democratic principles and they decided that no federal money would fund any kind of program based on behavioral modification in prisons in schools and hospitals

Today the year 2019 we've just spent the last two decades whereas democracy slept the private sector under the aegis of surveillance capitalism has been able to command the digital to create literally ubiquitous means in behavioral modification without anybody saying no and without most of us even noticing or understanding what has occurred."

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Note: This should not come as any great surprise. This is not new news to me. That the UK report found what it found and said what it said is a surprise. The release of the new book by a "traditionalist" Institution with 7 years of research was able top be published in this way is also a surprise - but the contents aren't. The findings aren't. The urgent warnings are not a surprise.

That they are being sounded at all is a surprise so publicly - coming as it is from a Government Parliamentary Committee is very surprising - even for the UK. It would NEVER have come out of the US Congress that is for certain.

If something actually happens about this internationally I will possibly drop dead in shock though. But it is a start. It's a feint hope.
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« Reply #68 on: March 09, 2019, 04:25:34 AM »
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« Reply #69 on: March 09, 2019, 05:39:40 AM »
The Intercept
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Join The Intercept’s senior correspondent Naomi Klein and Harvard Business School professor Shoshana Zuboff, author of “The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power,” for an engaging discussion about the unprecedented form of power called “surveillance capitalism” and the quest by corporations to predict and control our behavior.

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« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2019, 08:53:03 AM »
Why anyone would trust what Zuckerberg says from one day to the next is beyond me. He clearly has no clue at all and never has.

    *LOL* So @facebook merges all the data from #Instagram, #WhatsApp and #Facebook, while only encrypting the content data (not the meta data) of Facebook messages and sells the package as a #privacy move - a PR masterpiece and the media falls for it.. 😜😂
    — Max Schrems 🇪🇺🇦🇹 (@maxschrems) March 7, 2019

    Does anybody think that Facebook owning Instagram and WhatsApp is a good thing for America, privacy, journalism, or anything except Zuck & shareholders getting rich?
    Breaking up Facebook from Instagram and WhatsApp seems like the least radical idea, and I hope we do it soon.
    — Zephyr Teachout (@ZephyrTeachout) March 7, 2019


March 6, 2019
A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking
We’re committed to working openly and consulting with experts across society as we develop this. You can read Mark’s full note below.
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Secure data storage. People should expect that we won't store sensitive data in countries with weak records on human rights like privacy and freedom of expression in order to protect data from being improperly accessed.

Great if this means no longer storing any data within the United States of America - or within earshot of the +1000 CIA Black Sites / Military Bases located in our countries not Zuckerberg's!
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« Reply #71 on: March 10, 2019, 01:23:40 AM »
for example https://youtu.be/2s4Y-uZG5zk?t=1682

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"So they've destabilized our moral bearings and our sense of self

And what we discover when we learn about the economic imperatives of surveillance capitalism is that these imperatives compel (the employees and boards of) these Corporations to enter a collision course with democracy! (= Us!)

A collision course with democracy and it happens from below and it happens from above. From below democracy is diminished because ultimately surveillance capitalism discovered in the heat of competition that the most powerful predictive data come from actually influencing our behaviour towards its preferred outcomes! (or any preferred outcome - social media is by it;ls very nature manipulative = of Us! )

let me give you that top line for now to say that in order to fulfil its own economic imperatives surveillance capitalism must undermine human autonomy -- it must rob us of decision rights over
our own private experience!


so from below it's eroding autonomy it's eroding the principles of individual sovereignty because it's eroding our decision rights our control over our own experience, its boundaries,
its inwardness. I call these the right to the future tense and the right to sanctuary.

These are being eroded from below and without these a flourishing democratic society is impossible!!!

But it also challenges democracy from above - because it means that we enter the 21st century and all of us are already preoccupied stressed worried being activists writing thinking helping doing what whatever we can to figure out how we move past the pernicious economic inequality that has scarred our societies.

But now surveillance capitalism means that we enter the 21st century with a wholly new axis of social inequality imposed upon us and this is the inequality of knowledge because with
these practices that I have just briefly described so far, what we see is under the aegis of private capital and specifically private surveillance capital these companies take control of 21st century society sporting asymmetries of knowledge unlike anything the world has seen asymmetries of knowledge they know so much about us, we know so little about them!

We do not  know what they know about us!!! They have so much knowledge that is from us but that knowledge is not FOR us!!!

These asymmetries of knowledge produce equally pernicious asymmetries of power
-- the power that accrues from this knowledge specifically"[/i]


"Power corrupts - Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Right?

The Giant Tech Companies, these "Digital Gangsters" plus the Global Surveillance System of Nation States, and especially the #1 Absolute Power the United States of America have already done this - so now what?
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« Reply #72 on: March 10, 2019, 01:24:30 AM »
https://youtu.be/2s4Y-uZG5zk?t=3098

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" .... the other shock that i think you're referring to is the whole war on terror that became part of the historical context in which this new model was born, so obviously surveillance
capitalism invented essentially in 2001, the same year as the tragedies of 9/11

we know from the record that literally even on September 10 - I mean this was a period where the FTC had already decided that the online companies these new Internet companies were not going to be able to successfully self-regulate, the FTC was already fighting the whole Cookies phenomenon, when cookies were still something to be fighting over, and then there were things called web bugs which were little little digi things that were sort of buried in a page and
also tracked you, and there were these amazing you know cybersecurity people back in the late 90s who were writing incredible things about web bugs, just the kind of thing that I find
myself writing about today.

so the FTC was already onto this and they believed that we were gonna have to have comprehensive privacy legislation in this country and some drafts on this and proposals for this we're already circulating in Congress on September 10th and that was the big conversation
when it came to the Internet

Then September 11th everything changed and the people who were there on site you know talk about it changed in 24 hours and now the preoccupation was Total Information Awareness. and for Total Information Awareness as we now know you need surveillance and even though these new inventions this economic logic that I call surveillance capitalism wasn't yet public.

so it's not like the folks in Washington actually already knew what Google was was about
to become, but what they did know was that they were getting data from people and they did know that they were really smart and they had computers and they knew how to do things with those data that others didn't yet know how to do.

and so there was a sense that one can track and trace and I do believe that there is much more here under the hood for historians to discover, that these stories have not all been excavated, these stories have not yet all been told

but we we can see enough to know that there was an effort to kind of incubate and nurture Google and some of the other fledgling companies efforts coming from the Defense Department and from the intelligence agencies. And even NSA documents all about Google, hero-worship of Google and asking how do  we become more like Google.

so I call this whole complex Surveillance Exceptionalism - the idea of redlining but here is like the positive redlining we're gonna redline these companies and protect them buffer them from law buffer them from impediment nurture them

and also we're gonna like do a lot of house parties together, everybody knows about the revolving door between especially Google and the Obama Administration the Obama White House but in more in general between silicon and and Washington. folks starting with Google made
themselves essential in electoral politics
they developed Obama's 2008 campaign they made the difference, that made the difference

(yeah definitely pay attention to this)

and the electoral cycle --  who's getting these flows, yeah who's getting these flows -- but it is interesting, it's so striking that there was this moment where they might have acted as regulators as they might have lived up to their responsibilities to protect people's privacy and then they see themselves actually as partners in this project

and I mean that's the piece of it that I think particularly scary is that it's are we more scared of
surveillance by the state or are we more scared of corporate surveillance when really it is this Nexus between the two


and in some countries the Nexus is very clear like China and India where it's totally integrated the state surveillance and corporate surveillance it's the same machine and you know I think it
shows maybe the very high stakes of this."
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I write about the phenomenon of the unprecedented, when you really encounter something that is unprecedented in your experience it is almost impossible to recognize it - it's it's like you can't actually see it because when you encounter something unprecedented you're looking for things out of your own exist8ing experience,  things that are already familiar to you, as as a way of grasping of taking in what you're actually seeing

so you know for example the whole idea of the horseless carriage right? So if you got an auto-mobile in 1900 or so which is a wholly new thing quite unprecedented, for a long time people called it a horseless carriage comparing it to stuff that was familiar - that's how the unprecedented works

(So this new internet technology, the economic logic especially of Surveillance Capitalism createdt in 2001 and then coming with that the Government security Agencies orchestrated this new unprecedented Survelliance State together has created this shock of the unprecedented

The Unprecedented is what always catches people unawares.

Especially when the democratic institutions designed to protect the people, the public good, such as the FTC declaring the new tech companies must be Regulated and people's Privacy be protected against abuse was sold out from under them in 2001 ongoing.

And where in the world did all this happen first? Where was Google located? Where did Facebook become located? And twitter? And Youtube? And Street View? and Google earth? And Apple. And Android? And Microsoft? And the largest Telecommunications Corporations on earth? And where was the FTC located, the Democratic Institution raising the Alarm to Politicians in 2001?

The United States of America - it set the standard for the whole world to follow. It facilitated American Mega Corporations to infiltrate the entire globe - with a few exceptions, like oddly enough, China and India.

12 years later the Europeans declare that people actually have rights about their own person and they start to push back against Google, MS, and Facebook.

Then there is also the Issue of Tax Avoidance by these kinds of companies, transferring in-house their international incomes and expenses through nefarious means into more suitable "tax haven" jurisdictions.

18 years later in February 2019 the UK Parliamentary Committee labels Facebook and all the others just like it as "Digital Gangsters".

Why am I not surprised? Because it has been staring everyone in the face for 18 years now.  Then  denied, excused or suppressed. Rather than reign them in the US Congress has instead empowered these rapacious companies these Digital Gangsters all the while further enabling and extending the United States Government Global Surveillance State even further during all this time.

With the full agreement and support of the very same nations that agreed to invade Iraq in 2003, to "protect Libya" so it could open Slave Markets there, and who now want to invade and bring regime change to Venezuela ... using Social Media, Surveillance Capitalism, and Tech/Media Giants to swing 'wealthy western white' public opinion behind them once again - claiming they want to save Democracy and Capitalism from evils of Socialism - oh really? What kind of Capitalism and what kind of Democracy do "they" really want to save?

Yes, what to do about this "problem of social media" and all that comes with it?

From Cambridge Analytica, to RussiaGate, to Government agents like NATO/NSA/CIA/MI5/MI6 and their Government Funded and staffed Think Tanks (Integrity Initiative, New Foundation, Israeli Embassies) telling these "Digital Gangsters" who they should be Censoring and Banning from their platforms all over the entire world!!!

That kind of Democracy?
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« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2019, 07:05:35 AM »
Jack Dorsey Admits “Twitter Is A Right”

this was Jack Dorsey when he was on with Joe
Rogan the first time and here he's going to admit
that the use of Twitter and social media is
actually a right and let's see that and I just
want to play it for you .....

otherwise everyone has a right to these
technologies and I think they also have
a right to make sure that they have a
very simple and open read of the rules


[...] and I said at this point maybe the
government needs to come with a
sledgehammer simply because it's
negatively impacting our culture and our
elections -  and I don't care about his
profit - he has no right to user growth.
I do have a right to influence my own
elections
so maybe the sledgehammer
needs to come and come down on them.

So this that's the point that people are
missing that they're know what once your
private company now is affecting our culture
 or controlling it or influencing it.

Now it's in our public interest to regulate
that business. And that's OK. By the way the
rules of capitalism weren't written by Jesus.

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« Reply #75 on: March 15, 2019, 08:30:09 AM »
NZ right-wing extremist terrorist attack

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One of the shooters, believed to be a 28-year-old Australian man, livestreamed the attack on Facebook, according to local media, and penned a lengthy manifesto characterizing the shooting as a “terrorist attack.”

Good one Facebook (not) - where would be without you in our lives? Much better off, that's where.
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New Zealand’s three largest internet providers, Spark, Vodafone and Vocus, have announced they are blocking customers’ access to three websites located outside the country that are still hosting the livestream of one shooter’s rampage, an unprecedented restrictive measure Spark spokesman Andrew Pirie called “the responsible thing for the industry to do.”

It's about time!
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The social media strategies used by the accused Christchurch mosque shooter and Islamic State (IS) media are overlapping, says a Harvard researcher investigating online radicalisation.

An analysis of the digital footprint of Tarrant's documents revealed recruitment techniques observed in far-right movements and terrorist organisations.

"While [he] frequented fringe social media platforms, his strategy more closely resembles tactics used by the Islamic State during its peak propaganda output in 2014 and 2015," Mr Decker said.

Twitter posts purporting to be Tarrant's contained several download links to his manifesto, which was later shared on messaging boards less than 30 minutes before the attack at a Christchurch mosque.

Photos were also posted of weapons and ammunition cartridges scrawled with Nazi and far-right references, and were seen being used in the video.

Mr Decker said, like IS, Tarrant's manifesto used symbolism and coded language to paint a historical narrative about the victimisation of a specific people attempting to reclaim a lost glory.

The meme culture of mass shooters

In his manifesto, the accused shooter referenced a number of popular video games. During the livestream of the attack, a reference to a popular gaming personality pre-dominantly watched by young children and teenagers could be heard.

While extensive academic research does not suggest a link between violence in video games and real-world violence, it is central to the culture existing on online forums and social media pages mass shooters inhabit.

Mr Decker said the first-person shooter angle, common in video games, used in livestream of the attack was commonly used in IS recruitment videos and said there was an "intersection of extremist violence and online gaming culture".

"It's a commonplace lens through which to witness violence and was a central component of IS recruitment, particularly of westerners," he said.

IS fighters had used headcam footage while they battled Iraqi forces for control of Fallujah in 2016. Similarly shot videos were also used by IS supporters in combat scenarios in the Philippines.

A 'growing threat' in Australia

The supposed white supremacists' views of the manifesto's author did not germinate in a vacuum, according to Victoria University's Debra Smith, who has spent 18 months working on a report on the subject from Melbourne.

Dr Smith said far-right extremism was a "growing threat" in Australia and leaders in those communities were leveraging racial hatred and bigotry to grow their numbers.

She said hateful speech allowed people to feel like they were the "vanguards of a social movement".

"What research [shows is] that anti-Islamic rhetoric is being used as a strategic tool by the far-right to recruit people into the movement," Dr Smith said.

"It's very clear the far-right respond to public debates around the role of Islam in society, around things like marriage equality and so-called African gangs, to sow fear and division to recruit people to their cause."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-17/christchurch-shootings-brenton-tarrant-social-media-strategies/10908692
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« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2019, 01:46:40 PM »
Here, this is what GET REAL looks like .....

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New Zealand police are warning citizens they’ll face 10 years in prison for sharing the Christchurch mosque attack video, and a host of websites have been blocked as censors scrub the shooter’s manifesto from the internet.

Video footage of killer [   name deleted   ] shooting spree at a Christchurch mosque on Friday – which left 50 worshippers dead – was pulled from Facebook immediately after the massacre. With the footage proliferating on several hosting platforms afterwards, the Kiwi authorities have already charged an 18-year-old man for sharing the video, as well as for posting other “objectionable” comments days before the shooting.

The teenager faces up to ten years in prison, under New Zealand’s ‘objectionable and restricted material’ laws. Police have meanwhile issued an overt threat to anyone else looking for the video.

“Do not download it. Do not share it. If you are found to have a copy of the video or to have shared it, you face fines & potential imprisonment,” read a statement from the police via local news source Wellington Live.

    🚨New Zealanders threatened with 10 YEARS IN JAIL if they have the shooting video. 🚨

    "Anybody found “knowingly” in possession of objectionable material can receive a maximum of 10 years imprisonment."

    14 YEARS IN JAIL if you are a "dealer" of the video https://t.co/ZIlKtsUaKtpic.twitter.com/Jus4VLUvZB
    — Nick Monroe (@nickmon1112) March 16, 2019

https://www.rt.com/news/454158-new-zealand-censors-mosque-shooting/

I think commercial websites / Telcos / the Media are facing $200,000 fines for sharing this video. That should be a GLOBAL Response. 

Of course Youtube, Google, Twitter and Facebook are culpable. The New Zealand Govt is now looking at the possibility of Suing them all over this terrorist attack.

The other question is what to do about scum sites like 8Chan and the rest of the neonazi right wing free speech morons and Neanderthal scumbags hang out ? Fox news and all the rest on cable al over the world????

And all those Islamist terrorists sites and supporters posting videos and crap all over the internet for nigh on 20 years now?

This issue is not going to go away (I hope)

New Gun laws being drafted for NZ as we speak. ... ALL semi-automatic and automatic military styled weapons to be Banned outright ... more news next week on the details.

Will the USA follow suit? Of course not. Dumb is hereditary!

And so is cowardice!
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« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2019, 03:21:38 PM »
I am not sure if this will travel overseas well, but a VPN option will help.

The Drum - Monday 18/3/2019 - 1 hour in depth discussion (not for the feint hearted)

Ellen Fanning joins Sara Saleh, Lydia Shelly, Hanan Dover, Randa Abdel-Fattah and Diana Sayed, the all Muslim women panel will discuss the social, cultural & political influences leading up to the Christchurch terror attack.

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/drum/series/0/video/NC1907H031S00 
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 Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has called for a global crackdown on social media in the aftermath of the Christchurch mosque shootings, one of which was streamed live on Facebook and viewed thousands of times.

“It is unacceptable to treat the internet as an ungoverned space,”
Morrison wrote in a letter to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe ahead of the upcoming G20 meeting in Osaka, Japan in June.

    I've written to Japanese PM @AbeShinzo as G20 President to have the leaders of the world’s biggest economies ensure social media companies implement better safeguards to ensure their platforms can’t be exploited by terrorists or to spread hate speech. pic.twitter.com/LEQacLqSYi
    — Scott Morrison (@ScottMorrisonMP) March 18, 2019

“It is imperative that the global community works together to ensure that technology firms meet their moral obligation to protect the communities which they serve and from which they profit,” Morrison added.

In a [ Bullshit ] report on the incident, Facebook said that less than 200 people actually watched the carnage unfold live, but the archived video of the attack in which 50 people were killed and over 40 injured was then reportedly streamed some 4,000 times before it was eventually taken down. The first user complaint was lodged some 29 minutes after the attack had begun.

The company claims it removed 1.5 million copies of the videos of the attack in the first 24 hours, 1.2 million of which were “blocked at upload.” YouTube was heavily criticized for its perceived failure to adequately quarantine and remove any clones of the mosque attack video.

“If they can write an algorithm to make sure that the ads they want you to see can appear on your mobile phone, then I’m quite confident they can write an algorithm to screen out hate content on social media platforms,”
Morrison told reporters in Adelaide.
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