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« Reply #250 on: February 15, 2024, 02:29:43 AM »
Your AI Girlfriend Is a Data-Harvesting Horror Show

The privacy mess is troubling because the chatbots actively encourage you to share details that are far more personal than in a typical app.

Lonely on Valentine’s Day? AI can help. At least, that’s what a number of companies hawking “romantic” chatbots will tell you. But as your robot love story unfolds, there’s a tradeoff you may not realize you’re making. According to a new study from Mozilla’s *Privacy Not Included project, AI girlfriends and boyfriends harvest shockingly personal information, and almost all of them sell or share the data they collect.

“To be perfectly blunt, AI girlfriends and boyfriends are not your friends,” said Misha Rykov, a Mozilla Researcher, in a press statement. “Although they are marketed as something that will enhance your mental health and well-being, they specialize in delivering dependency, loneliness, and toxicity, all while prying as much data as possible from you.”

Mozilla dug into 11 different AI romance chatbots, including popular apps such as Replika, Chai, Romantic AI, EVA AI Chat Bot & Soulmate, and CrushOn.AI. Every single one earned the Privacy Not Included label, putting these chatbots among the worst categories of products Mozilla has ever reviewed. The apps mentioned in this story didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

You’ve heard stories about data problems before, but according to Mozilla, AI girlfriends violate your privacy in “disturbing new ways.” For example, CrushOn.AI collects details including information about sexual health, use of medication, and gender-affirming care. 90% of the apps may sell or share user data for targeted ads and other purposes, and more than half won’t let you delete the data they collect. Security was also a problem. Only one app, Genesia AI Friend & Partner, met Mozilla’s minimum security standards.

One of the more striking findings came when Mozilla counted the trackers in these apps, little bits of code that collect data and share them with other companies for advertising and other purposes. Mozilla found the AI girlfriend apps used an average of 2,663 trackers per minute, though that number was driven up by Romantic AI, which called a whopping 24,354 trackers in just one minute of using the app.
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« Reply #251 on: February 18, 2024, 08:09:38 PM »
(excellent article by Mike on Techdirt taking apart an article on Wired about Section 230 and algorithms and 1st Ammend issues. Touches on mods. Doesn't address probs with bots and AI that is a diff issue ahead, tho with the PTOffice saying no trademarks to AI content, may be able to filter from a blacklist)

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No one — and I do mean no one — wants a website where companies can only moderate based on the First Amendment. Such a site would almost immediately turn into harassment, abuse, and garbage central. Most speech is protected under the First Amendment. Very, very, very little speech is not protected. The very “harassment” that the authors complain about literally one paragraph above is almost entirely protected under the First Amendment.

Also, if you could only moderate based on the First Amendment, all online forums would be the same. The wonder of the internet right now is that every online forum gets to set its own rules and moderate accordingly. And that’s because Section 230 allows them to do so without fear of litigation over their choices.

Under this plan, you couldn’t (for example) have a knitting community with a “no politics” rule. You’d have to allow all legal speech. That’s… beyond stupid.

And, as if to underline that the authors, the fact checkers, and the editors, have no idea how any of this works, they throw this in:

    The United States has more than 200 years of First Amendment jurisprudence that establishes categories of less protected speech—obscenity, defamation, incitement, fighting words—to build upon, and Section 230 has effectively impeded its development for online expression. The perverse result has been the elevation of algorithms over constitutional law, effectively ceding judicial power.

The first sentence is partially right. There is jurisprudence establishing exceptions to the First Amendment. Though it’s very narrow and very clearly defined. Indeed, the inclusion of “fighting words” in the list of exceptions above shows that the authors are unaware that over the past 50 years the fighting words doctrine has been effectively deprecated as an exception.

It’s also just blatantly, factually, incorrect that 230 has somehow “impeded” the development of First Amendment exceptions. It’s as if the authors are wholly unaware of myriad attempts in the decades since Section 230 went into effect for people to convince courts to establish new exceptions. Most notably was the US v. Stevens, in which the Supreme Court made it clear that it wasn’t really open to adding new exceptions to the First Amendment.

https://www.techdirt.com/2024/02/15/has-wired-given-up-on-fact-checking-publishes-facts-optional-screed-against-section-230-that-gets-almost-everything-wrong/
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« Reply #252 on: February 24, 2024, 06:34:07 AM »
The “Need for Chaos” and Motivations to Share Hostile Political Rumors

Why are some people motivated to circulate hostile political information? While prior studies have focused on partisan motivations, we demonstrate that some individuals circulate hostile rumors because they wish to unleash chaos to “burn down” the entire political order in the hope they gain status in the process. To understand this psychology, we theorize and measure a novel psychological state, the Need for Chaos, emerging in an interplay of social marginalization and status-oriented personalities. Across eight studies of individuals living in the United States, we show that this need is a strong predictor of motivations to share hostile political rumors, even after accounting for partisan motivations, and can help illuminate differences and commonalities in the frustrations of both historically privileged and marginalized groups. To stem the tide of hostility on social media, the present findings suggest that real-world policy solutions are needed to address social frustrations in the United States.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/need-for-chaos-and-motivations-to-share-hostile-political-rumors/7E50529B41998816383F5790B6E0545A


(and another write up article on the Turchin theory of Cliodynamics is always worth a read)

https://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/

How we’re using maths and data to reveal why societies collapse

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We create structured, analysable information by surveying the huge amount of scholarship available about the past. For instance, we can record a society’s population as a number, or answer questions about whether something was present or absent. Like, did a society have professional bureaucrats? Or, did it maintain public irrigation works?

These questions get turned into numerical data – a present can become a “1” and absent a “0” – in a way that allows us to examine these data points with a host of analytical tools. Critically, we always combine this “hard” quantitative data with more qualitative descriptions, explaining why the answers were given, providing nuance and marking uncertainty when the research is unclear, and citing relevant published literature.

We’re focused on gathering as many examples of past crises as we can. These are periods of social unrest that often result in major devastation — things like famine, disease outbreaks, civil wars and even complete collapse.

Our goal is to find out what drove these societies into crisis, and then what factors seem to have determined whether people could course-correct to stave off devastation.

But why? Right now, we are living in an age of polycrisis – a state where social, political, economic, environmental and other systems are not only deeply interrelated, but nearly all of them are under strain or experiencing some kind of disaster or extreme upheaval.
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https://www.rawstory.com/how-were-using-maths-and-data-to-reveal-why-societies-collapse/

(can't find the link to the Conversation article)

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« Reply #253 on: April 14, 2024, 02:06:47 AM »
(Step right up,get ur clicks right here!)

How games are used to control you You don't have to play by other people's rules

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But it begins with a mild-mannered psychologist who studied pigeons at Harvard in the Thirties. B.F. Skinner believed environment determines behaviour, and a person could therefore be controlled simply by controlling their environment. He began testing this theory, known as behaviourism, on pigeons. For his experiments, he developed the “Skinner box”, a birdcage with a food dispenser controlled by a button.

Skinner’s goal was to make the pigeons peck the button as many times as possible. From his experiments, he made three discoveries. First, the pigeons pecked most when doing so yielded immediate, rather than delayed, rewards. Second, the pigeons pecked most when it rewarded them randomly, rather than every time. Skinner’s third discovery occurred when he noticed the pigeons continued to peck the button long after the food dispenser was empty, provided they could hear it click. He realised the pigeons had become conditioned to associate the click with the food, and now valued the click as a reward in itself.
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https://unherd.com/2024/04/how-games-are-used-to-control-you/
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« Reply #254 on: April 19, 2024, 09:23:47 PM »
I have one issue regarding the #️⃣ on Twitter.
The system always suggest some, and I guess that what they do it is not fully honest.
I used lately the #StopWW3, but wasn't careful and one post was done with the #StoppWW3. I had similar problems with the #SaveGaza.

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« Reply #255 on: April 20, 2024, 01:09:16 PM »
Two interesting interviews with Jonathan Haidt about how social media is a disaster for children:





Very interesting, because a lot of stuff I watch about what's wrong with kids today (especially in politics) or with their levels of knowledge/education, almost entirely ignores the influence of smart phones and social media. So at least, the elephant in the room isn't ignored.

But still, the analysis doesn't go deep enough by ignoring the mammoth in the room: the system/machine. The solutions proposed are thus, in my view, very superficial.

I remain of the opinion that solutions need to follow some or all of these lines:

-No advertising, no profits from social media
-No anonymity, no bots, no hidden influences
-No algorithms reinforcing the points above
-A taboo on social media and smart phone use to nudge people away from them, so that they become tools again instead of distraction drugs
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« Reply #256 on: April 21, 2024, 01:33:54 AM »
( i think we need to teach kids how to use those hand held computers better. Search and Machine parameters. Checking SEO optimization schemes before even opening sites. checking vid clips for mods.
How to install ad and java blocking software.

May just have to legislate that kids can't be fed any feeds that they havn't personally added. No ads, news, other folk, bots, or algo feeds. They should be taught to search and compare info and be able to see who is amplifying said info)
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« Reply #257 on: April 21, 2024, 10:03:44 AM »
I don't agree. That's working on the wrong end, like teaching rape victims to accommodate so that it hurts less. Take way the root causes, not the symptoms.

The Internet should be a public forum and encyclopaedia, not a billboard with tentacles in your head.
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« Reply #258 on: April 22, 2024, 12:29:58 AM »
But that would cost some people money and also lots of parties like that tentacles thing.

There are also tentacles in TV and there were probably some in impressive radio speeches when that  is was in vogue long before my time.

Of course the net/social media gives much more user info away. In the worst case we get a well trained AI as your only search prompt and the news fitted to you.
 
Will there be some backlash to the screen zombie mentality? I hope so.
I agree with your list but it is more idealistic then realistic.

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« Reply #259 on: April 22, 2024, 02:42:19 PM »
Everything starts with an idea. If 'reality' is your starting point, nothing will ever change.
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« Reply #260 on: April 22, 2024, 08:39:13 PM »
(gotta block the memes. If folks have to search for answers, they will come across many. Then they have to learn to choose. Choices have consequences.

To truly protect the kids, we have to stop the paid and algorithmic feeds. To do that, we have to protect everyone. Privacy matters too, if they know what you are looking for, they know how to corrupt it.)


"Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment which states that an otherwise artificial superintelligence (AI) in the future would be incentivized to create a virtual reality simulation to torture anyone who knew of its potential existence but did not directly contribute to its advancement or development, in order to incentivize said advancement. It originated in a 2010 post at discussion board LessWrong, a technical forum focused on analytical rational enquiry. The thought experiment's name derives from the poster of the article (Roko) and the basilisk, a mythical creature capable of destroying enemies with its stare.

While the theory was initially dismissed as nothing but conjecture or speculation by many LessWrong users, LessWrong co-founder Eliezer Yudkowsky reported users who described symptoms such as nightmares and mental breakdowns upon reading the theory, due to its stipulation that knowing about the theory and its basilisk made one vulnerable to the basilisk itself. This led to discussion of the basilisk on the site being banned for five years. However, these reports were later dismissed as being exaggerations or inconsequential, and the theory itself was dismissed as nonsense, including by Yudkowsky himself. Even after the post's discreditation, it is still used as an example of principles such as Bayesian probability and implicit religion. It is also regarded as a modern version of Pascal's wager.

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« Reply #261 on: April 23, 2024, 01:37:42 PM »
Everything starts with an idea. If 'reality' is your starting point, nothing will ever change.

But the idea is always a variation on reality. Something we do must be done differently.

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A taboo on social media and smart phone use to nudge people away from them, so that they become tools again instead of distraction drugs

So who comes up with this taboo if not people themselves? People love their fixes. Then there is an industry that profits from that so good luck on banning adds etc.
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« Reply #262 on: April 23, 2024, 02:31:43 PM »
Everything starts with an idea. If 'reality' is your starting point, nothing will ever change.
Not true. Fire wasn't an idea, it was a natural reality we had to live with, and later learned to deal with.

Most new inventions are discovered by accident, like penicillin. Some actions suddenly create a new reality we have to find a good use for.
When factual science is in conflict with our beliefs or traditions, we cuddle up in our own delusional fantasy where everything starts making sense again.

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« Reply #263 on: April 24, 2024, 12:12:21 AM »
And to find a good use, you need an idea. QED.

If 'reality' (ie what you perceive as reality) is your starting point, you will stand in the forest with a bag of marshmallows waiting for a thunderbolt to start a fire. But the idea was to re-create the fire caused by thunderbolts, so you can eat your marshmallows whenever you like.

To extend this analogy to social media: If 'reality' is that the system of ads and hidden influence cannot be changed, you will try to adjust accordingly which will not work (and thus isn't all that realistic, after all).

Everything starts with an idea. If 'reality' is your starting point, nothing will ever change.

But the idea is always a variation on reality. Something we do must be done differently.

Yes, and that's why one needs to be idealistic, ie come up with ideas. Of course, there's a chasm between theory/idea and practice/'reality', but chasms are there to be bridged. It should work in theory, and practice has shown that it can sometimes be done. Usually, if it can't be done, then Reality will at some point force the change.

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So who comes up with this taboo if not people themselves? People love their fixes. Then there is an industry that profits from that so good luck on banning adds etc.

Yes, let's discuss the idea.

Indeed, people themselves should come up with the taboo. People love their fix (once they have been made addicted). But people are also conformist. So, if one could somehow get it into their heads that social media and smart phones in general turn you into a shallow and addicted f**kwit, you could create a vanguard that is then followed by the masses.

Of course, this could only work if at the same time the ideas for the other end of the equation (social media) are executed: no more ads, no more anonymity. If there can be a War on Drugs, there can also be a War on Social Media. If the government can hand out methadone, it can also have its own legal social media platform.

Personally, I think it'd be great if prisons were overcrowded with tech company executives, managers and engineers. Or let them do gardening work, the produce of which is used for kindergarten and school meals.  ;)
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« Reply #264 on: April 24, 2024, 11:18:21 AM »
So that would work like smoking which is not encouraging for pace.

Kids also like to do things differently to their parents, but only a bit so they hang out on different platforms. Maybe there will be some backlash and a movement to live life off screen. At least they are banning phones in classrooms now.

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If the government can hand out methadone, it can also have its own legal social media platform.

But would you be allowed to criticize lets say the handling of the pandemic there?

I guess it is one of those wicked problem which grows with us. Now we have this tech we can hardly imagine living without it. Same goes for AI and bitcoins and in a way cars and fly away holidays too.
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« Reply #265 on: April 26, 2024, 05:46:31 AM »
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« Reply #266 on: May 02, 2024, 12:09:42 PM »
Lawsuit against Meta asks if Facebook users have right to control their feeds using external tools

Do social media users have the right to control what they see — or don’t see — on their feeds?

A lawsuit filed against Facebook parent Meta Platforms Inc. is arguing that a federal law often used to shield internet companies from liability also allows people to use external tools to take control of their feed — even if that means shutting it off entirely.

The Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University filed a lawsuit Wednesday against Meta Platforms on behalf of an Amherst professor who wants to release a tool that enables users to unfollow all the content fed to them by Facebook’s algorithm.

The tool, called Unfollow Everything 2.0, is a browser extension that would let Facebook users unfollow friends, groups and pages and empty their newsfeed — the stream of posts, photos and videos that can keep them scrolling endlessly. The idea is that without this constant, addicting stream of content, people might use it less. If the past is any indication, Meta will not be keen on the idea.

A U.K. developer, Luis Barclay, released a similar tool, called Unfollow Everything, but he took it down in 2021, fearing a lawsuit after receiving a cease-and-desist letter and a lifetime Facebook ban from Meta, then called Facebook Inc.

With Wednesday’s lawsuit, Ethan Zuckerman, a professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, is trying to beat Meta to the legal punch to avoid getting sued by the social media giant over the browser extension.

“The reason it’s worth challenging Facebook on this is that right now we have very little control as users over how we use these networks,” Zuckerman said in an interview. “We basically get whatever controls Facebook wants. And that’s actually pretty different from how the internet has worked historically.” Just think of email, which lets people use different email clients, or different web browsers, or anti-tracking software for people who don’t want to be tracked.

Meta declined to comment.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in California centers on a provision of Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which is often used to protect internet companies from liability for things posted on their sites. A separate clause, though, provides immunity to software developers who create tools that “filter, screen, allow, or disallow content that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable.”

The lawsuit, in other words, asks the court to determine whether Facebook users’ news feed falls into the category of objectionable material that they should be able to filter out in order to enjoy the platform.

“Maybe CDA 230 provides us with this right to build tools to make your experience of Facebook or other social networks better and to give you more control over them,” said Zuckerman, who teaches public policy, communication and information at Amherst. “And you know what? If we’re able to establish that, that could really open up a new sphere of research and a new sphere of development. You might see people starting to build tools to make social networks work better for us.”

While Facebook does allow users to manually unfollow everything, the process can be cumbersome with hundreds or even thousands of friends, groups and businesses that people often follow.

Zuckerman also wants to study how turning off the news feed affects people’s experience on Facebook. Users would have to agree to take part in the study — using the browser tool does not automatically enroll participants.

“Social media companies can design their products as they want to, but users have the right to control their experience on social media platforms, including by blocking content they consider to be harmful,” said Ramya Krishnan, senior staff attorney at the Knight Institute. “Users don’t have to accept Facebook as it’s given to them. The same statute that immunizes Meta from liability for the speech of its users gives users the right to decide what they see on the platform.”

https://apnews.com/article/meta-unfollow-lawsuit-section-230-ethan-zuckerman-02d05e2c7ea05a373e35d14cfd770aeb
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« Reply #267 on: June 01, 2024, 12:46:22 AM »

Jay Van Bavel, PhD @jayvanbavel 23h

New research finds that only 2107 registered US voters accounted for 80% of the fake news shared on Twitter during the 2020 US election! (in a panel of 664,391 voters). science.org/doi/10.1126/scie…

A small number of extreme accounts are causing most of the problems on social media:

Note that this is far more extreme than the parieto principle (80% of consequences come from 20% of causes), on the internet it's a much smaller proportion of people causing most of the problems (maybe 5% or less).

Supersharers of fake news on Twitter

Most fake news on Twitter (now X) is spread by an extremely small population called supersharers. They flood the platform and unequally distort political debates, but a clear demographic portrait of these users was not available. Baribi-Bartov et al. identified a meaningful sample of supersharers during the 2020 US presidential election and asked who they were, where they lived, and what strategies they used (see the Perspective by van der Linden and Kyrychenko). The authors found that supersharers were disproportionately Republican, middle-aged White women residing in three conservative states, Arizona, Florida, and Texas, which are focus points of contentious abortion and immigration battles. Their neighborhoods were poorly educated but relatively high in income. Supersharers persistently retweeted misinformation manually. These insights are relevant for policymakers developing effective mitigation strategies to curtail misinformation.

Abstract
Governments may have the capacity to flood social media with fake news, but little is known about the use of flooding by ordinary voters. In this work, we identify 2107 registered US voters who account for 80% of the fake news shared on Twitter during the 2020 US presidential election by an entire panel of 664,391 voters. We found that supersharers were important members of the network, reaching a sizable 5.2% of registered voters on the platform. Supersharers had a significant overrepresentation of women, older adults, and registered Republicans. Supersharers’ massive volume did not seem automated but was rather generated through manual and persistent retweeting. These findings highlight a vulnerability of social media for democracy, where a small group of people distort the political reality for many.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adl4435


Inside the Funhouse Mirror Factory: How Social Media Distorts Perceptions of Norms

https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/kgcrq

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« Reply #268 on: June 07, 2024, 09:07:57 AM »
I can't read all of this NYT article because of a paywall, but the intro suggests it is pertinent to this thread:
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The Internet’s Final Frontier: Remote Amazon Tribes

Elon Musk’s Starlink has connected an isolated tribe to the outside world — and divided it from within.


A Starlink satellite internet antenna in the Manakieaway village of the Marubo Indigenous people in the Brazilian Amazon.

Just about anywhere, a scene like this would be mundane. But this was happening in a remote Indigenous village in one of the most isolated stretches of the planet.

The Marubo people have long lived in communal huts scattered hundreds of miles along the Ituí River deep in the Amazon rainforest. They speak their own language, take ayahuasca to connect with forest spirits and trap spider monkeys to make soup or keep as pets.

They have preserved this way of life for hundreds of years through isolation — some villages can take a week to reach. But since September, the Marubo have had high-speed internet thanks to Elon Musk.

The 2,000-member tribe is one of hundreds across Brazil that are suddenly logging on with Starlink, the satellite-internet service from Space X, Mr. Musk’s private space company. Since its entry into Brazil in 2022, Starlink has swept across the world’s largest rainforest, bringing the web to one of the last offline places on Earth.

The New York Times traveled deep into the Amazon to visit Marubo villages to understand what happens when a tiny, closed civilization suddenly opens to the world.
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« Reply #269 on: June 20, 2024, 09:47:13 PM »
(an epic by Schneir on how corps have captured the culture that states used to wield)

The Hacking of Culture and the Creation of Socio-Technical Debt

Culture is increasingly mediated through algorithms. These algorithms have splintered the organization of culture, a result of states and tech companies vying for influence over mass audiences. One byproduct of this splintering is a shift from imperfect but broad cultural narratives to a proliferation of niche groups, who are defined by ideology or aesthetics instead of nationality or geography. This change reflects a material shift in the relationship between collective identity and power, and illustrates how states no longer have exclusive domain over either. Today, both power and culture are increasingly corporate.

Blending Stewart Brand and Jean-Jacques Rousseau, McKenzie Wark writes in A Hacker Manifesto that “information wants to be free but is everywhere in chains.”1 Sounding simultaneously harmless and revolutionary, Wark’s assertion as part of her analysis of the role of what she terms “the hacker class” in creating new world orders points to one of the main ideas that became foundational to the reorganization of power in the era of the internet: that “information wants to be free.” This credo, itself a co-option of Brand’s influential original assertion in a conversation with Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak at the 1984 Hackers Conference and later in his 1987 book The Media Lab: Inventing the Future at MIT, became a central ethos for early internet inventors, activists,2 and entrepreneurs. Ultimately, this notion was foundational in the construction of the era we find ourselves in today: an era in which internet companies dominate public and private life. These companies used the supposed desire of information to be free as a pretext for building platforms that allowed people to connect and share content. Over time, this development helped facilitate the definitive power transfer of our time, from states to corporations.
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https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2024/06/the-hacking-of-culture-and-the-creation-of-socio-technical-debt.html
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« Reply #270 on: June 30, 2024, 02:44:12 PM »
Absolutely brilliant, and oh so sad that it's come this far... 😢
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« Reply #271 on: June 30, 2024, 09:47:01 PM »
(this is what regular folk are up against when trying to fight dis-info)

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1807131461801422848/vid/avc1/1080x1920/mOw_hCe1N26wWouf.mp4?tag=16
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« Reply #272 on: July 01, 2024, 11:12:26 AM »
(this is what regular folk are up against when trying to fight dis-info)

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1807131461801422848/vid/avc1/1080x1920/mOw_hCe1N26wWouf.mp4?tag=16

How is destroying China and Russia going to solve the problem of social media?
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« Reply #273 on: July 01, 2024, 08:45:54 PM »
(this is what regular folk are up against when trying to fight dis-info)

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1807131461801422848/vid/avc1/1080x1920/mOw_hCe1N26wWouf.mp4?tag=16

How is destroying China and Russia going to solve the problem of social media?
With difficulty.

What is really bad and likely to get worse?
- Corporate Democrats & their equivalents elsewhere,
- Corporate Republicans & their equivalents elsewhere,
- misinformation and disinformation with AI acceleration,
- Corporations & Governments database on us all 24/365,
- AI generated personalised "friends" for all.

The above is being done step by step by all Governments and businesses wherever they are. Back in the early 80's I spent some time in Malawi in Rural Development. Malawi was a "One Party Democracy". For amusement I spent some time making an outline of a Computerised Police State using already existing technology. It was so easy and affordable it was scary.

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« Reply #274 on: July 10, 2024, 01:23:56 AM »
‘They couldn’t stop themselves’: what do we really know about serial killers?

FBI pioneer Ann Burgess developed groundbreaking ways to examine and investigate those with a compulsion to kill, the focus of a fascinating new docuseries

(...)
Burgess speaks with an air of consummate professional detachment, though delving deep into so many warped minds inevitably has an effect on her. “You can’t listen to what they did not to be affected by it and to see how far somebody could go to,” she reflects. “The escalation was the scary thing. It would soon get to a point where it wasn’t giving them enough of a pleasure that they got out of killing, and so then they’d go up to another level.”

She also comes with a warning: “Our society has advanced to where social media is now taking over and they can meet up with others and it’s very serious. To try to get them to stop is going to be very hard. They’ve moved from just having one type of person they want to kill – what we call the target – to where they now want to take out a lot of people. So you’re into the mass shooting.”

    Mastermind: To Think Like a Killer is out on Hulu in the US on 11 July and on Disney+ in the UK at a later date


https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/jul/08/mastermind-documentary-serial-killers
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« Reply #275 on: July 20, 2024, 07:41:26 AM »
Want to spot a deepfake? Look for the stars in their eyes

In this image, the person on the left (Scarlett Johansson) is real, while the person on the right is AI-generated. Their eyeballs are depicted underneath their faces. The reflections in the eyeballs are consistent for the real person, but incorrect (from a physics point of view) for the fake person.

In an era when the creation of artificial intelligence (AI) images is at the fingertips of the masses, the ability to detect fake pictures – particularly deepfakes of people – is becoming increasingly important.

So what if you could tell just by looking into someone's eyes?

That's the compelling finding of new research shared at the Royal Astronomical Society’s National Astronomy Meeting in Hull, which suggests that AI-generated fakes can be spotted by analysing human eyes in the same way that astronomers study pictures of galaxies.

The crux of the work, by University of Hull MSc student Adejumoke Owolabi, is all about the reflection in a person's eyeballs.

If the reflections match, the image is likely to be that of a real human. If they don't, they're probably deepfakes.
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https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/news/want-spot-deepfake-look-stars-their-eyes
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« Reply #276 on: July 22, 2024, 09:28:03 AM »
X.com refuses to open with Firefox strict tracking protection enabled (x.com)

(interesting discussion by the nerds here. Most hav abandoned Xitter anyway. Some workarounds listed in comments, But just doing a direct name link in Nitter Poast Org has been working for the whole time since Musk took over. To see video's from Nitter, in firefox, you just have to left click on the vid, and select "open in new tab". Works always for me.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41022408
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« Reply #277 on: July 24, 2024, 01:29:49 AM »
(anyone can buy your data, and make spurious claims. Need a  serious privacy law)


Josh Marshall  @joshtpm Jul 22
This is pretty wild. The Heritage Foundation appears to have bought a pile of geolocation data, like the kind adverts use to track you, and is using it to suggest that Crooks, the wannabe mass shooter who tried to assassinate Trump is some kind of FBI plant. CHeck out this thread

Oversight Project @OversightPR   Jul 22

🚨ASSASINATION INFO DROP🚨

We found the assassin’s connections through our in-depth analysis of mobile ad data to track movements of Crooks and his associates.

To do this, we tracked devices that regularly visited both Crooks’s home and place of work and followed them.🧵


And the only thing they found that they were able to spin as remotely suspicious is that someone once went to a sports arena in DC.
Rochelle
This just in, going to see a sporting event at Gallery Place Arena and/or a movie nearby makes you FBI.

Guess there’s a reason y’all opted not to use the satellite view because it makes this very obvious.
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« Reply #278 on: August 02, 2024, 09:10:53 PM »
Schemas and the Political Brain

Understanding how cognitive shortcuts work when processing new information is crucial to understanding modern politics—and it's a facet of cognition that Republicans manipulate extremely effectively.

Before you keep reading, try this experiment. Take a blank piece of paper and, in as much detail as possible, draw a $5 bill or £5 note, purely from memory.

If you do, you’ll be astonished to realize how rudimentary and wrong your drawing turns out to be. These are objects that we’ve seen thousands of times in our lifetimes. We instantly recognize them. We have a clear sense of what they’re supposed to look like. But when it comes to recreating them in granular detail, most of us are utterly useless. Our memory can recognize, but not always reproduce.

Our cognitive processing and our memories don’t work the way we think they do. We tend to imagine there’s some sort of file drawer within our heads, in which all sorts of information goes in, gets stored in pristine form, and then we pull it out when we need it. But that’s not true.

Instead, we often process information using schemas, a key concept within psychology, neuroscience, and cognition. Understanding how they work is crucial for making sense of modern politics. The political brain is a brain defined by schemas. Political movements that understand that fact will usually beat those that don’t.
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« Reply #279 on: August 08, 2024, 12:24:57 AM »
Where Facebook's AI Slop Comes From

Facebook itself is paying creators in India, Vietnam, and the Philippines for bizarre AI spam that they are learning to make from YouTube influencers and guides sold on Telegram.

https://www.404media.co/where-facebooks-ai-slop-comes-from/
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« Reply #280 on: August 11, 2024, 10:46:41 AM »
Bloggers will have to register in Roskomnadzor: Putin signs new law to regulate messengers


Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law regulating the operation of instant messaging services, which was previously approved by the State Duma and the Federation Council. According to the law, owners of popular channels with more than 10,000 subscribers will be required to provide information about themselves to Roskomnadzor (RKN) in a manner specified by the government. The document has been published on the official legal acts portal.

The law will come into effect on November 1, 2024. Roskomnadzor will be responsible for monitoring channels with more than 10,000 subscribers. Owners of public channels not included in the list will be prohibited from placing advertisements and funding offers, and will also be banned from reposting information from such channels.

According to the law, messenger operators must prevent users from receiving messages from unknown individuals. They must also provide user information to authorized government bodies upon request, following the procedures set by the government.

Starting January 1, 2025, according to the law, platform owners will be required to restrict access to personal user pages within 24 hours of receiving a request from RKN if the users have not provided their data to the regulator. Additionally, social networks with a daily audience of more than 500,000 people will need to provide information about users upon request from RKN or the FSB.

The law also organizes the relationships between telecommunications operators and subscribers regarding mobile communication services. Specifically, Russian citizens can have no more than 20 SIM cards, while foreign citizens can have up to 10, including corporate ones.

Verification of the accuracy of the information provided by subscribers will be carried out by telecommunications operators before providing services, using the Unified Identification and Authentication System (ESIA), the Unified Biometric System (EBS), the Interdepartmental Electronic Interaction System (SMEV) of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, or based on passport data confirmation in organizations designated by the government. After verification, the operator will be required to send the data to the State Information System for SIM Card Control of RKN (SIM Card Control Information System).

Cash payments for communication services will only be processed after the payer is identified at bank branches, postal services, other government-designated organizations, or through specially equipped terminals meeting established requirements

https://tech.news.am/eng/news/4067/bloggers-will-have-to-register-in-roskomnadzor-putin-signs-new-law-to-regulate-messengers.html
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« Reply #281 on: August 23, 2024, 03:32:26 AM »
 84% Of Americans Want Tougher Online Privacy Laws, But Congress Is Too Corrupt To Follow Through

Americans are, apparently, tired of having every last shred of personal data over-collected, hyper monetized, then improperly secured by a rotating crop of ethics-optional corporations and lazy executives.

A new survey from U.S. News and World Report took a look at prevailing U.S. consumer privacy beliefs, and found, among other things, that 84% of the public wants Congress to pass tougher privacy laws:

    “In our survey, 84% of respondents said the federal government should implement stricter data privacy laws, and just 16% said it should not. Congress has been deadlocked for years on this question, although a bipartisan effort appeared to be making some headway in 2024.”

As is the norm for U.S. journalism, the outlet frames our failure to pass an internet privacy law over the last 30 years as something that just kind of happened without meaningful cause. The “question” of whether to have even baseline public privacy protections has been left unanswered due to some sort of ambiguous externality. Just blame that pesky, ambiguous gridlock.

In reality, Congress hasn’t passed a privacy law because it’s blisteringly, grotesquely corrupt. U.S. policymakers have decided, time and time and time again, that making gobs of money is more important than consumer welfare, public safety, market health, or even national security (see: our obsession with TikTok, while ignoring the national security risks of unregulated data brokers).

The federal government is also disincentivized from passing a nationwide privacy law for the internet era because they’ve found that buying consumer data from data brokers is a wonderful way to avoid having to get a traditional warrant.

You could, on any random day, pluck any of a million mainstream news reports on consumer privacy from the newswire and not find a single one willing to make either of these causes clear to readers. Yes, getting everybody aligned on quality privacy legislation is difficult, but it’s not 30 straight years of inaction difficult. At some point, this reckless disregard for public welfare is a feature, not a bug.

All of that said, it’s evident that the public isn’t great when it comes to personal responsibility. Most of the users surveyed didn’t engage in basic protective measures like two-factor authentication or reliable, encrypted password managers:

    “42% use multi-factor authentication, seen by experts as a good way to protect online accounts, and just over half (53%) use security questions to verify their identity. Only one in six (17%) said they use a password manager app or software that creates hard-to-break passwords, and 27% said they used biometric authentication such as facial recognition or fingerprint.”

In the absence of federal and state protection from reckless data monetization, consumers have to have their own backs, and it’s clear we’re not particularly good at that, either.




https://www.techdirt.com/2024/08/21/84-of-americans-want-tougher-online-privacy-laws-but-congress-is-too-corrupt-to-follow-through/
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« Reply #282 on: August 29, 2024, 03:03:58 AM »
Signal Is More Than Encrypted Messaging. Under Meredith Whittaker, It’s Out to Prove Surveillance Capitalism Wrong

On its 10th anniversary, Signal’s president wants to remind you that the world’s most secure communications platform is a nonprofit. It’s free. It doesn’t track you or serve you ads. It pays its engineers very well. And it’s a go-to app for hundreds of millions of people.

https://www.wired.com/story/meredith-whittaker-signal/
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« Reply #283 on: August 31, 2024, 03:12:36 AM »
Silicon Valley’s Very Online Ideologues are in Model Collapse

Like an AI trained on its own output, they’re growing increasingly divorced from reality, and are reinforcing their own worst habits of thought.

The ideologues of Silicon Valley are in model collapse.

To train an AI model, you need to give it a ton of data, and the quality of output from the model depends upon whether that data is any good. A risk AI models face, especially as AI-generated output makes up a larger share of what’s published online, is “model collapse”: the rapid degradation that results from AI models being trained on the output of AI models. Essentially, the AI is primarily talking to, and learning from, itself, and this creates a self-reinforcing cascade of bad thinking.

We’ve been watching something similar happen, in real time, with the Elon Musks, Marc Andreessens, Peter Thiels, and other chronically online Silicon Valley representatives of far-right ideology. It’s not just that they have bad values that are leading to bad politics. They also seem to be talking themselves into believing nonsense at an increasing rate. The world they seem to believe exists, and which they’re reacting and warning against, bears less and less resemblance to the actual world, and instead represents an imagined lore they’ve gotten themselves lost in.

This is happening because they’re talking among themselves, and have constructed an ideology that has convinced them those outside their bubble aren’t worth listening to, and that any criticisms of the ideas internal to their bubble are just confirmation of their ideology, not meaningful challenges to it. They’ve convinced themselves they are the only innovative and non-conformist thinkers, even though, like an AI trained on AI slop, their ideological inputs are increasingly uniform and grounded in bad data and worse ideas.

Model collapse happens because structural features of the training process, intentional or unintentional, mean that AI-generated content is included, at an increasing frequency, in the training data. The AI “learns” from sources that don’t correct its mistakes and misconceptions. Structural features of a similar sort are playing out in the far-right corners of Silicon Valley.

First, there’s what I’ve referred to in the past as the “Quillette Effect.” Because we believe our own ideas are correct (or else we wouldn’t believe them), we tend to think that people who share our ideas are correct, as well. Thus, when someone who shares our ideas tells us about new ideas we’re not familiar with, we tend to think their presentation of those ideas is probably accurate. Quillette is a website that has often published articles explaining ideas on the left to its predominantly right-wing audience. If you’re part of that community, and share the generally right-wing perspective of Quillette authors, but don’t know much about the left-originating ideas they discuss (critical race theory, postmodernism, etc.), you’ll likely find their explainers persuasive, not just in terms of being a reasonably accurate presentation of those ideas, but also in their conclusion that those ideas lack merit. But if you do know something about those ideas, you’ll find that Quillette presents them poorly and inaccurately. In other words, the “Quillette Effect” is an example of an ideological community tricking itself into believing it has learned about ideas outside of its tribe, when in fact it’s just flattering and reinforcing ideas internal to its tribe. And Quillette is far from alone in this. Bari Weiss’s Free Press, quite popular in online right-wing circles, plays the same game.

Second, there’s the structural issue of wealth dependency. When you’re as rich as Musk, Andreessen, or Thiel, a great many of the people you interact with are either of your immediate social class, or are dependent upon you financially. Your immediate social class, especially the people you interact with socially, are likely to share your ideological priors, and so not challenge you at anything like a deep level. And people who are financially dependent on you are likely to reflect your ideas back to you, rather than challenging them, because they don’t want to lose your support—or they are hoping to gain it. Thus your ongoing training inputs will reflect your own ideological outputs. (The recent story of the Trump campaign buying pro-Trump ads on cable stations near Mar-a-Lago so Trump will see positive messages about himself—even though this is wasted money from a campaign strategy standpoint—is an example of this dynamic.)

Third, the structure of social media not only means that very online people tend to be flooded with ideologically confirming views, but when they encounter contrary positions, its in a way that makes them easier to write off as unserious and fringe. The nature of a social media feed tricks us into thinking our ideological community is much more representative of the broader conversation than it really is.

    ""For someone like Elon Musk—a guy who spends so much time on Twitter that it seemingly represents the bulk of his engagement with people outside his immediate circles—the odd little far-right world of his Twitter feed comes to feel like the whole world. Terminally online, heavy social media users don’t realize how much nonsense they take to be fact because that nonsense, to them, looks like majority opinion, disputed only by a discredited (by their community’s imagined consensus) and unserious minority."

(That passage is from a longer essay I wrote digging into how this works, and how this cognitive illusion damages our politics.) Further, because so much of the online right is concentrated on Twitter, people who are active on Twitter come to view the ideas internal to the online right as closer to the mainstream than they in fact are, and so get dragged to the right, often unintentionally. This means that the “training data” of very online ideologues looks increasingly uniform and is just restatements of very online right-wing perspectives, and data outside of that perspective is treated with growing suspicion because it is mistakenly believed to be fringe, and so not worth taking seriously.

The result of these three features is an insular intellectual community, talking increasingly only to itself, and increasingly cut off from the kinds of conversations that would correct its excesses, or, at the very least, give it a more accurate perspective on what the world outside its bubble looks like. Hence their surprise, for example, that the nomination of JD Vance led not to a widespread and enthusiastic embrace of neo-reactionary philosophy, but instead to an entire, and apparently quite successful, Democratic campaign build around “those guys are weird.”

The problem with model collapse is, once it goes too far, it’s difficult to correct. The solution to model collapse is to train on better data. But accomplishing that, and undoing the rapidly radicalizing right-wing ideology of these titans of the Valley, means undoing the structural causes of that self-referential and self-reinforcing cascade. And that’s no easy task.

https://www.reimaginingliberty.com/silicon-valleys-very-online-ideologues-are-in-model-collapse/
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« Reply #284 on: September 04, 2024, 04:54:12 PM »
Some people ask “What happened to Jimmy Dore”

I think the right question is “What happened to Kyle Kulinski”

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« Reply #285 on: September 04, 2024, 10:40:51 PM »
I think the right question is “What happened to Kyle Kulinski”

One of the biggest sell-outs in history. That guy will never be happy in life.
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« Reply #286 on: September 06, 2024, 12:43:52 PM »
I think the right question is “What happened to Kyle Kulinski”

One of the biggest sell-outs in history. That guy will never be happy in life.

Yes, he used to make fun of Dave Rubin for “having an angle” and slowly shifting the agenda toward the Right. Which I don’t doubt, but, boy, Kyle has done a “Rubin on steroids”.

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« Reply #287 on: October 05, 2024, 09:38:51 PM »
How Meta Brings in Millions Off Political Violence

CalMatters and The Markup used Facebook’s AI model to count the millions of dollars it makes after violent news events

After the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in July, the merchandise started showing up on Facebook.

Trump, fist in the air, face bloodied from a bullet, appeared on everything. Coffee mugs. Hawaiian shirts. Trading cards. Commemorative coins. Heart ornaments. Ads for these products used images captured at the scene by Doug Mills for the New York Times and Evan Vucci for the Associated Press, showing Trump yelling “fight” after the shooting. The Trump campaign itself even offered some gear commemorating his survival.

As the Secret Service drew scrutiny and law enforcement searched for a motive, online advertisers saw a business opportunity in the moment, pumping out Facebook ads to supporters hungry for merch.

In the 10 weeks after the shooting, advertisers paid Meta between $593,000 and $813,000 for political ads that explicitly mentioned the assassination attempt, according to The Markup’s analysis. (Meta provides only estimates of spending and reach for ads in its database.)

Even Facebook itself has acknowledged that polarizing content and misinformation on its platform has incited real-life violence. An analysis by CalMatters and The Markup found that the reverse is also true: real-world violence can sometimes open new revenue opportunities for Meta.

While the spending on assassination ads represents a sliver of Meta’s $100 billion-plus ad revenue, the company also builds its bottom line when tragedies like war and mass shootings occur, in the United States and beyond. After the October 7th attack on Israel last year and the country’s response in Gaza, Meta saw a major increase in dollars spent related to the conflict, according to our review.
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« Reply #288 on: October 09, 2024, 10:13:38 PM »
(X has changed their monetization scheme, may make for better interactions)

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🚨BREAKING: X MONETIZATION COMPLETELY OVERHAULED

ENGAGEMENT FARMING TO BE PUNISHED. HIGH QUALITY ENGAGEMENT BOOSTED

It finally happened

Monetization has been rebuilt from the ground up

You will no longer be paid for spammy, farming content
     
You will only be paid for high quality content that gets high quality engagement

Ad revenue no longer comes from impressions in the replies. So spammy content no longer works.

You will only get paid on high quality engagement

People posting low quality, spammy content will now be deboosted and make less ad revenue

People getting high quality engagement will get boosts, making even MORE ad revenue than before

People have been gaming the system for over a year now. Those games are over

What does this mean for you?

1. No more low effort, one liner question content
2. No more spammy replies
3. Spending 8 hours a day replying nonsense will be useless
4. HIGH QUALITY content is everything

Instead of spending an hour on 100 spammy posts. Spend one hour on one banger post.

You'll make WAY more money

This is AWESOME news for X. The content quality on here is about to EXPLODE

Do you agree with this move? Will this improve X's content quality?
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« Reply #289 on: October 19, 2024, 07:25:22 PM »
There are 3 classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #291 on: November 03, 2024, 11:53:54 PM »
 Subscriptions Drive Views of Extremist Videos on YouTube

Study shows viewership of harmful content concentrated among a small group of users.

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According to a new study published in Science Advances, however, exposure to alternative and extremist video channels on YouTube is not driven by recommendations. Instead, most consumption of these channels on the platform can be attributed to a small group of users high in gender and racial resentment and who subscribe to these channels and follow links to their videos.

The study authors caution that these findings do not exonerate the platform. “YouTube’s algorithms may not be recommending alternative and extremist content to nonsubscribers very often, but they are nonetheless hosting it for free and funneling it to subscribers in ways that are of great concern."

“The problem of potentially harmful content on YouTube is real,” Nyhan adds. “The challenge is understanding the nature of the problems, so we can think about how best to address it.”

In 2019, YouTube announced that changes to its algorithms had reduced watch time of harmful content by 50%, with a 70% decline in watch time by nonsubscribers. These reports had not been independently verified, so the research team set out to determine who is watching this type of content and evaluate what recommendations are offered by YouTube’s algorithm.
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The results showed that exposure to alternative and extremist channels was quite rare among the study groups. Only 15% of people who opted to provide daily browser activity data visited an alternative channel video and only 6% viewed an extremist channel video.

A majority of viewers of the potentially harmful channels were subscribers to the type of channel in question: 61% subscribers for alternative channels and 55% for extremist channels. Almost all subscribed either to the channel in question or another one like it: 93% for alternative channels and 85% for extremist channels.

Viewing time data showed that a tiny percentage of people were responsible for most of the time participants spent watching potentially harmful channels. Specifically, 1.7% of participants were responsible for 80% of time spent on alternative channels while only 0.6% of participants were responsible for 80% of the time spent on extremist channels.
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https://home.dartmouth.edu/news/2023/09/subscriptions-drive-views-extremist-videos-youtube
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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #292 on: November 15, 2024, 02:01:36 PM »
The exodus from X to Bluesky has happened – the era of mass social media platforms is over

There’s comfort in being surrounded by like-minded people, but challenge is important, and we may have to look for it elsewhere

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/15/x-bluesky-social-media-platforms?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1

Hell is other people. Or, more specifically, other people on social media. Hell is millions of people who would avoid each other like the plague if they met in real life, but who are shoved into each other’s faces and essentially egged on to punch each other online; it’s people endlessly winding each other up out of boredom or frustration or desperation to be part of some gang, which ends in viral bullying, death threats, children ripping other children to shreds on platforms they are legally not old enough to join.

Hell is a social circle so vast and remote that human brains just aren’t wired to cope with it: it’s sociability without accountability, and it was making us miserably stressed long before Elon Musk bought X and drove it at a wall.
But even then, people stayed for the reasons people do stay in toxic relationships – inertia, fear of being lonely, misplaced hope it may get better – and because it seemed intrinsic to many working lives. You had to be on X because everyone else was, a circular logic that this week finally snapped: a stampede away from X has seen rival Bluesky add 1 million users since the US election, with several prominent Labour MPs joining the charge. What’s the point, the chair of the women and equalities committee, Sarah Owen, asked, in being on a site that’s “gone from cat memes, to sharing Wordle scores, to calling people whores just for having a different political opinion”?

Platforms come and go, but this feels different: the final death of the idea that social media could ever be the internet’s town square, a global meeting place for ideas that would broaden all our horizons. Now, the future of social media looks increasingly segregated for users’ safety, like rival fans at football. X for the rightwing and the raging; centrists and policy nerds on Bluesky; people who hate politics on Threads or Instagram; Gen Z on TikTok; boomers on Facebook.

Like most journalists, I’m still listening to different conversations on all of them. But for active posting, I switched to Bluesky back in August when Musk used the Southport riots to promote the idea of civil war in Britain. So far, it feels like swapping stilettos for trainers: initially you worry about wimping out, then you wonder why you ever put up with crippled feet for so long.

Part of me hates the idea that mass-market platforms are over, if only because I have never stopped believing that breaking out of parochial bubbles, engaging with uncomfortable ideas and trying to understand how other people think matters. But the mistake was to think social media was a shortcut to all that, when online life never truly mirrored real life, even before algorithms skewed it towards the loudest voices and its model actively worked against understanding.

Most people become open to the other side’s point of view when someone they like or respect turns out to be in the rival camp. But by replacing one trusted person with a pitchfork-wielding mob of strangers, social media made us angrier, more defensive, ever more convinced the pitchfork guys were wrong. Its legacy is a world immeasurably more polarised and miserable to boot, with research showing a link between heavy social-media use and depression not just in teenagers but into middle age.

Starting again on a new platform is admittedly the triumph of hope over experience. Bluesky has learned from its predecessors, starting out invite only and growing slowly: it has strong social norms, a culture of blocking rather than feeding attention-seeking trolls, and features that nudge users away from aggressive “quote tweet” pile-ons. The determinedly aggressive will find a way, but if nothing else it makes you wonder why we let ourselves be kidded for so long that there was nothing platforms could do. But while it’s a nice place to be right now, so was Twitter in 2009. Growth is near impossible to achieve without malignancy creeping in.

If anything gives me hope it’s that Bluesky’s more measured, less emotive conversation is also less addictive, for the secret to using social media well in 2024 is simply using it less. The moral isn’t to stop listening to ideas you find uncomfortable or people who don’t agree. It’s to do it in real life, not in the digital equivalent of a pub notorious for glassing at chucking-out time – and preferably in ways that don’t make Musk any richer than he already is.
When factual science is in conflict with our beliefs or traditions, we cuddle up in our own delusional fantasy where everything starts making sense again.

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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #293 on: November 16, 2024, 01:05:45 AM »
The exodus from X to Bluesky has happened – the era of mass social media platforms is over

There’s comfort in being surrounded by like-minded people, but challenge is important, and we may have to look for it elsewhere

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/15/x-bluesky-social-media-platforms?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1

Hell is other people. Or, more specifically, other people on social media. Hell is millions of people who would avoid each other like the plague if they met in real life, but who are shoved into each other’s faces and essentially egged on to punch each other online; it’s people endlessly winding each other up out of boredom or frustration or desperation to be part of some gang, which ends in viral bullying, death threats, children ripping other children to shreds on platforms they are legally not old enough to join.

Hell is a social circle so vast and remote that human brains just aren’t wired to cope with it: it’s sociability without accountability, and it was making us miserably stressed long before Elon Musk bought X and drove it at a wall.
But even then, people stayed for the reasons people do stay in toxic relationships – inertia, fear of being lonely, misplaced hope it may get better – and because it seemed intrinsic to many working lives. You had to be on X because everyone else was, a circular logic that this week finally snapped: a stampede away from X has seen rival Bluesky add 1 million users since the US election, with several prominent Labour MPs joining the charge. What’s the point, the chair of the women and equalities committee, Sarah Owen, asked, in being on a site that’s “gone from cat memes, to sharing Wordle scores, to calling people whores just for having a different political opinion”?

Platforms come and go, but this feels different: the final death of the idea that social media could ever be the internet’s town square, a global meeting place for ideas that would broaden all our horizons. Now, the future of social media looks increasingly segregated for users’ safety, like rival fans at football. X for the rightwing and the raging; centrists and policy nerds on Bluesky; people who hate politics on Threads or Instagram; Gen Z on TikTok; boomers on Facebook.

Like most journalists, I’m still listening to different conversations on all of them. But for active posting, I switched to Bluesky back in August when Musk used the Southport riots to promote the idea of civil war in Britain. So far, it feels like swapping stilettos for trainers: initially you worry about wimping out, then you wonder why you ever put up with crippled feet for so long.

Part of me hates the idea that mass-market platforms are over, if only because I have never stopped believing that breaking out of parochial bubbles, engaging with uncomfortable ideas and trying to understand how other people think matters. But the mistake was to think social media was a shortcut to all that, when online life never truly mirrored real life, even before algorithms skewed it towards the loudest voices and its model actively worked against understanding.

Most people become open to the other side’s point of view when someone they like or respect turns out to be in the rival camp. But by replacing one trusted person with a pitchfork-wielding mob of strangers, social media made us angrier, more defensive, ever more convinced the pitchfork guys were wrong. Its legacy is a world immeasurably more polarised and miserable to boot, with research showing a link between heavy social-media use and depression not just in teenagers but into middle age.

Starting again on a new platform is admittedly the triumph of hope over experience. Bluesky has learned from its predecessors, starting out invite only and growing slowly: it has strong social norms, a culture of blocking rather than feeding attention-seeking trolls, and features that nudge users away from aggressive “quote tweet” pile-ons. The determinedly aggressive will find a way, but if nothing else it makes you wonder why we let ourselves be kidded for so long that there was nothing platforms could do. But while it’s a nice place to be right now, so was Twitter in 2009. Growth is near impossible to achieve without malignancy creeping in.

If anything gives me hope it’s that Bluesky’s more measured, less emotive conversation is also less addictive, for the secret to using social media well in 2024 is simply using it less. The moral isn’t to stop listening to ideas you find uncomfortable or people who don’t agree. It’s to do it in real life, not in the digital equivalent of a pub notorious for glassing at chucking-out time – and preferably in ways that don’t make Musk any richer than he already is.

It’s simple really, Leftists can’t win the arguments based on common sense , they can only win based on “ their version of fact checking , which often is fact checking based on leftist OPINION , not on fact , Though if something in their world is accepted as fact, than they confuse opinion with fact.
So, if they decide Trump is a NAZi , that’s a fact , even though in reality it’s just their opinion.
So, if they can’t control everything by their version of fact checking and everyone’s opinions are allowed and then the reader does his own homework and fact checking and decides, they know they win because the idea that Trump is a Nazi doesn’t hold up, so, that’s a game they won’t play in, so they leave and form their own safe places, safe meaning safe from reading anything they don’t agree with .
That might work in Europe but it will never work in the U.S. where Free Speech is our mantra and we recognize that with free speech comes RISK.
Years ago , the American Nazi party wanted toco greater nd demonstrate on a march in the twin of Skokie , near Chicago .They chose Skokie because many holocaust survivors lived there.
Their of course was huge moral outrage but the ACLU, in those dominated by Jewish lawyers defended them and represented them against the town of Skokie and they won the right to march and demean and slur Jews while they marched some in Nazi uniforms  with Nazi flags and swatiskas.

So, what happened, Thousands of decent Americans from the Jewish and even more from Christian communities came out and jeered them, they marched and howled and Americans came out and laughed at them and their hatred and stupidity.
 America won , the United States Constitution won , Free Speech, no matter how repugnant, won  and America became a better place. We were proud of each other and they slinked back under their rocks and into their holes.

The Left, can’t allow that , they know, they, like those Nazi’s will be laughed at, it started this past election with Trump’s victory.


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« Reply #294 on: November 20, 2024, 01:41:37 PM »
the us state dept., cia, and pentagon with nato along with a horde of disinformation agents project american soft power through american big tech. around the world.

"Mike Benz is a former official with the U.S. Department of State, known for his work in international communications and digital freedom. He has played a significant role in advocating for internet freedom and the protection of online expression.

Benz is the founder of the Foundation for Freedom Online, an organization dedicated to promoting free speech and digital rights around the world. His work focuses on countering authoritarian censorship and supporting the rights of individuals to access and share information freely.

His background includes expertise in foreign affairs and digital policy, often emphasizing the importance of a free and open internet as a fundamental human right. Through his advocacy, Benz has sought to engage policymakers and the public on issues related to digital governance, censorship, and the implications of technology for democracy."

Mike Benz - Inside the Censorship Industrial Complex



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Re: The problem of social media
« Reply #295 on: November 21, 2024, 07:53:26 AM »
The exodus from X to Bluesky has happened – the era of mass social media platforms is over

There’s comfort in being surrounded by like-minded people, but challenge is important, and we may have to look for it elsewhere


It seems like a much much less toxic version of Twitter, it's already reached 20 million users and growth has gone exponential. I've joined up, it's really cool and fun to be in early on a new movement.

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« Reply #296 on: November 29, 2024, 10:08:56 PM »


It´s long but you can start at 8:46.

It discusses the roles of dopamine and serotonin and what we are doing wrong. This is not just social media.

Also see The Dangers Of Devices In Relationships at 48:11. This is also a good starting point but that depends on how familiar you are with the concepts.

There are tons of time stamps in the description so it is not hard to navigate.

The whole bottom line is that modern society and it´s media does not promote happiness per se. It promotes buying things which do not actually make you happy.
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« Reply #297 on: December 01, 2024, 05:36:22 AM »
The exodus from X to Bluesky has happened – the era of mass social media platforms is over

There’s comfort in being surrounded by like-minded people, but challenge is important, and we may have to look for it elsewhere


It seems like a much much less toxic version of Twitter, it's already reached 20 million users and growth has gone exponential. I've joined up, it's really cool and fun to be in early on a new movement.

Less toxic = more censorship, thanks but no thanks.

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« Reply #298 on: December 02, 2024, 08:16:02 PM »
There are 3 classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late

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