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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2850 on: July 24, 2016, 09:31:20 PM »
But that perspective changed after the addition of today's data:

So, do we call a sharp upward movement an inselberg or monadnock? 
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2851 on: July 25, 2016, 06:40:16 AM »
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2852 on: July 25, 2016, 09:24:15 AM »
IJIS:

6,990,510 km2(July 24, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2853 on: July 26, 2016, 05:24:11 AM »
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2854 on: July 26, 2016, 08:52:10 AM »
IJIS:

6,912,287 km2(July 25, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2855 on: July 27, 2016, 05:11:42 AM »
Just because I don't have anything else to do, here's a flip between 2011 & 2016 via Slater's 925mb temps.

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« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 05:21:18 AM by Sleepy »

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2856 on: July 27, 2016, 10:46:19 AM »
IJIS:

6,833,054 km2(July 26, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2857 on: July 28, 2016, 05:24:28 AM »
20160727 -79337 yawn

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2858 on: July 28, 2016, 06:06:16 AM »
Just because I don't have anything else to do, here's a flip between 2011 & 2016 via Slater's 925mb temps.

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That's awesome!!!!!!! If you get really bored, can you add a few more years?  Like 2012 and 2013, as randomly chosen examples?  :D awesome graphic!!!!!!

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2859 on: July 28, 2016, 07:41:07 AM »
IJIS:

6,753,717 km2(July 27, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2860 on: July 28, 2016, 08:58:35 AM »
Just because I don't have anything else to do, here's a flip between 2011 & 2016 via Slater's 925mb temps.

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That's awesome!!!!!!! If you get really bored, can you add a few more years?  Like 2012 and 2013, as randomly chosen examples?  :D awesome graphic!!!!!!
If I would have chosen another year (earlier) it would have been 2006. But right now it tracks 2011 nicely.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2861 on: July 28, 2016, 12:19:11 PM »
Using the average of the past ten days of ice loss (70124 km² per day):

July 27: 6 753 717 km²
August 1: 6 403 097 km²
August 15: 5 631 733 km²
August 31: 4 229 253 km²

Using the average of the past four days of ice loss as they have been remarkably similar (78564 km² per day):

July 27: 6 753 717 km²
August 1: 6 360 897 km²
August 15: 5 261 001 km²
August 31: 4 003 977 km²

Using a linearly declining average, from the past ten days, with 1500km² less loss per day (starting at 70124km²):

July 27: 6 753 717 km²
August 1: 6 418 097 km²
August 15: 5 677 861 km²
August 31: 5 191 877 km²

Using a linearly declining average, from the past four days, with 1500km² less loss per day (starting at 78564km²):

July 27: 6 753 717 km²
August 1: 6 375 897 km²
August 15: 5 517 501 km²
August 31: 4 896 477 km²

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2862 on: July 28, 2016, 12:29:52 PM »
To obtain an Arctic with less than 1 million km² of ice left, assuming that a lower minimum will occur later, an average loss of 99 203 km² is required every day until September 23. (latest minimum on record)

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2863 on: July 29, 2016, 05:43:07 AM »
minus 68,377km2 today
"....and the appointed time came for God to bring to ruin those ruining the earth." Revelation 11:18.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2864 on: July 29, 2016, 09:43:33 AM »
IJIS:

6,685,340 km2(July 28, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2865 on: July 29, 2016, 11:33:17 AM »
I wonder if, seeing as this subject heading was created by Espen, that it would be courteous to allow him to post his graphs before commenting. I know many of you who post to this subject are eager to add your tuppenceworth but let's not get into a competition to find who can be the first to post.

I also often tell people to get off my lawn too.  ;D ;D

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2866 on: July 29, 2016, 11:38:02 AM »

I also often tell people to get off my lawn too.  ;D ;D

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2867 on: July 29, 2016, 02:40:58 PM »
I agree with waiting for Espen to post up the daily extent graph before posting up the extent number. Espen is very prompt and extremely diligent and reliable in doing so. I suggest we honor that.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2868 on: July 29, 2016, 06:08:52 PM »
2016 remains in 4th position overall. It has been out of the top 3 for eight days now, the longest such streak of the year by far. Nevertheless, 2016 has already beaten the minimums for every individual year of the 1980s, as well as 1992, 1994, and 1996.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2869 on: July 30, 2016, 05:28:41 AM »
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925mb temps still tracking 2011.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2870 on: July 30, 2016, 12:44:01 PM »
IJIS:

6,622,391 km2(July 29, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2871 on: July 31, 2016, 07:03:30 AM »
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925mb temps still tracking 2011.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2872 on: July 31, 2016, 07:31:22 AM »
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925mb temps still tracking 2011.

Would you please stop doing that?

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2873 on: July 31, 2016, 07:46:30 AM »
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925mb temps still tracking 2011.

Would you please stop doing that?

I'm with you epiphyte. 
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2874 on: July 31, 2016, 08:40:33 AM »
IJIS:

6,534,338 km2(July 30, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2875 on: July 31, 2016, 11:51:50 AM »
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925mb temps still tracking 2011.

Would you please stop doing that?

Sleepy, you can also report the numbers in the 2016 sea ice area and extent data thread if you want to be first, as this is Espen's thread.
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2876 on: July 31, 2016, 11:54:48 AM »
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925mb temps still tracking 2011.

Would you please stop doing that?
Sorry for being late and sleepy posting that this morning, had to drive my youngest daughter to the emergency last night. And there's no childish competiton going on as suggested by marktime above, I'm just awake early.

Apart from my speculations about a coming slow down in May, I'm primarily following up on a study I posted in the El Nino, this and the home brew thread(s) in June. Those three threads are also the ones I've been following regularly since early 2014.

I would be surprised if Espen get's disturbed by me posting the daily drops for a little while, since that was a regular part of his own earlier posts. But I will honor what Espen thinks and also Neven, of course.

And as you all can see in the suggestions thread I would welcome to see number threads like this to be free of ALL OT commentary. No response there but it doesn't really matter to me. It's not my forum, it's not my thread and even if it I started the thread and posted daily updates, I still wouldn't consider it mine.
OT and out.

Edit; Neven just posted, I will stop now.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2877 on: July 31, 2016, 12:25:43 PM »
I don't have a problem with it, but it's Espen's thread.
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2878 on: July 31, 2016, 01:03:52 PM »
Personally, doing the math was becoming problematic as there were so many posts between yesterdays and the current days Espen info so Sleepy's numbers cut that palaver out?

I'm ever so grateful for Espen's efforts over the years but I had no problem with sleepy adding in the numbers ( before or after) as it saved me a struggle?
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2879 on: July 31, 2016, 08:33:51 PM »
I'll second Gray-wolf. It is a very simple calculation, but it conveys a lot of useful information, at least for me. Now I'll have to go back to scrolling a bit and make the operation myself. Thank you for saving me a few seconds sleepy.
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2880 on: July 31, 2016, 08:42:57 PM »
Well Sleepy, I tell you. You got off easy. The whipper-snappers got after me about the same thing. And man, there just aint no dignity in that, when you you get corrected by whipper-snappers.  ;)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2881 on: July 31, 2016, 09:46:30 PM »
Personally, I like Sleepy's daily delta post - I'm hoping Espen does too;) Not sure if he's a whippersnapper, but I appreciate all his contributions to the site :)

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2882 on: August 01, 2016, 12:35:01 AM »
I think he's well vetted by now.
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2883 on: August 01, 2016, 05:28:09 AM »
Big drop today. Somebody tally it up already. I'm not touching it.
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« Reply #2884 on: August 01, 2016, 05:36:14 AM »
Yeah, slightly larger than previous.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2885 on: August 01, 2016, 05:46:36 AM »
Espen, you used to show the delta at the top of your graphs, until the end of last year. Maybe you could start showing those again?  Thanks for all your work!

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2886 on: August 01, 2016, 09:05:51 AM »
IJIS:

6,438,110 km2(July 31, 2016)
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2887 on: August 01, 2016, 09:51:17 AM »
How much of a drop is it?

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2888 on: August 01, 2016, 09:53:32 AM »
Espen , and lately Sleepy have brought something of value to this thread . The recent moans and groans have not . Could there be a moaners thread to free up those where we expect useful information and relevant discussion ?
2007 + 5 = 2012 + 4 = 2016 + 3 = 2019 + 2 = 2021 + 1 =  ' if only we could have seen it coming ' ...

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2889 on: August 01, 2016, 11:13:04 AM »
Espen, can you add a delta number to your daily reports ?
That would be much more informative than simply reporting the IJIS numbers we can all look up at the JAXA site.
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« Reply #2890 on: August 01, 2016, 11:15:59 AM »
Either that or do it yourselves. Engage into some heavy scrollwheel action to get past the OT commentary above (including my own this morning) to Espens latest graph, or download the spreadsheet at ADS, or visit the area and extent thread as Neven recommended above where Michael Hauber posted it this morning.

Meanwhile I also noticed that I now have been honoured with a thread with my moniker on it. :)
Now, I can laugh at my own expense, but isn't this really too much kindergarten for a forum like this? Neven?

I rarely have time to visit here during daytime, but did so now to see wether Espen commented on the recent discussions. But he didn't, so the object of everyone's concern might not be offended at all.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2891 on: August 01, 2016, 11:17:41 AM »
C'mon guys, it wasn't a moan, it was about courtesy. Sleepy's calcs are really useful and have a place in this thread. Immediately after Espen's post would be fantastic. As for whipper-snappers, having been born in 1938 it makes me happy to be called that again!  :)

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2892 on: August 01, 2016, 11:51:18 AM »
+1 Sleepy delta and kill the OT commentary

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2893 on: August 01, 2016, 01:12:38 PM »
Yeah i found sleepys figures quite informative too and now theyr gone im just doing what ye said and using the jaxa instead .

Cant believe sleepys not allowed post his minus until after Espen.

Live n let live i say. As for OT commentary. Sorry. Im shutting up now

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2894 on: August 01, 2016, 01:21:04 PM »
No one said that Sleepy isn't allowed to do so. I'm not really seeing a problem here, unless Espen thinks there is a problem, as this is his thread.
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2895 on: August 02, 2016, 04:48:09 AM »
No one said that Sleepy isn't allowed to do so.
Have you become a politican Neven?

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2896 on: August 02, 2016, 05:22:36 AM »
IJIS:

6,321,835 km2(August 1, 2016)down 116,275 km2 from previous.
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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2897 on: August 02, 2016, 05:35:34 AM »
Thanks for adding that again Espen.

Finally a century, 925mb temps now lower than 2011.

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2898 on: August 02, 2016, 05:39:11 AM »
Hi Espen,
Did you also adjust your graph?
I'm getting a bit excited by the reappearance of century breaks and think that the '16 line should be heading right at the bumps in those for '12 and '07 by now...

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Re: IJIS
« Reply #2899 on: August 02, 2016, 05:55:34 AM »
Hi Espen,
Did you also adjust your graph?
I'm getting a bit excited by the reappearance of century breaks and think that the '16 line should be heading right at the bumps in those for '12 and '07 by now...

ADS/IJIS did not adjust the graph on the time that Espen made his post. Now it has been updated. One interesting thing, looking at the graph that has all the years since 2000, is that 2016 is only 10K of 2011 and 2011 is going to drop only 20K between today and tomorrow, so with a drop of 30k+ tomorrow, 2016 will become third lowest (after 2012 and 2007).

Edit: Thanks Espen for all the work that you have been doing in this 3+ years on this topic. I don´t think that you should carry all the weight of reporting IJIS, but certainly I thank you and everybody else, for the work on this Forum all these years.

I have learned a lot on this Forum and in Neven's Blog.  :)
« Last Edit: August 02, 2016, 06:15:37 AM by Juan C. García »
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.