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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #400 on: June 08, 2018, 02:53:18 AM »
Why is it that so many Trump roads lead to either Russia or the Ukraine?


Why?

Could it be Myopia? Psychological projection? Gullibility? A Narcissistic society? Denial? Self-delusions? A Nation of incompetents? Lies? Cherry-Picking? Media distortions? Ignoring Criminal Conspiracies and Corruption across the entire nation for decades?. Citizens United? Or could it be Life in a Gold Fish Bowl?


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« Reply #401 on: June 08, 2018, 04:25:08 AM »
OK a side bar before going on a historical journey of some worth.

The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) is a United States law passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the interests of foreign powers in a "political or quasi-political capacity" disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information about related activities and finances.

Some history and perspective regarding Russian Oligarchs and Politics in the 1990s, of George Soros and Paul Manafort et al and Trump, Mueller and the Law.
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg157817.html#msg157817
 
Kind of a backgrounder for those with time to kill and little curious.
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« Reply #402 on: June 08, 2018, 06:05:39 AM »
Deutsche Bank: A Global Bank for Oligarchs — American and Russian, Part 1

 Editor’s Note: We publish this lengthy, in-depth, technical piece by a former IRS investigator, knowing it raises more questions than it provides answers. But we believe that is a very useful service, particularly in relation to a complex topic of considerable public import — one that may be a key component for special counsel Robert Mueller’s ongoing Trump-Russia investigation. We hope in the coming weeks to explore many of these questions in greater depth. And we welcome reader comments. Martin J. Sheil is a retired branch chief of the IRS Criminal Investigation division.

Recent media reports confirm that Deutsche Bank has been subpoenaed for records in relation to the ongoing Russia collusion investigation. This development immediately raises questions: Chiefly, what did a certain bankrupt but ambitious American real estate developer have in common with predatory Russian oligarchs who had been plundering their own country’s industry and generating vast currency flows out of their homeland since the 1990s?

Indeed, Deutsche Bank is a common thread in numerous probes of questionable financial activities — including tax evasion and money laundering — with ties to multiple oligarchs and their businesses in the US and abroad. So far the bank itself has suffered minimal consequences.

In all the flurry of media attention to the Russia collusion story, little attention has been paid to the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) criminal investigation of Deutsche Bank in Manhattan.

Because of Deutsche’s actions, the bank’s elite US clients were able to report approximately $29.3 billion in bogus transactions on their tax returns. This allowed them to evade approximately $5.9 billion in individual income taxes on capital gains and ordinary income.

Monetary Penalties, Toxic Mortgages, Interest Rate Manipulation, Tax Evasion
Non-Prosecution Agreement, SDNY, Basket Options, RenTec

The Mercers — American Oligarchs
Renaissance Technology is a well-known hedge fund. Its co-CEO, Robert Mercer, is an American oligarch who contributed over $20 million to Republican candidates and PACs during the 2016 election campaign. Between 2000 and 2012, RenTec purchased 29 basket options with a notional value of $46 billion and profits totaling $15.9 billion.

Deutsche Bank risk management executive William Broeksmit expressed his anxiety about the massive risk the bank was taking on relative to the basket options, known internally as “MAPs.” In August 2009, he sent an email to Anshu Jain, a leading executive at Deutsche Bank (along with a cc to Satish Ramakrishna, the Global Head of Risk and Pricing for Global Prime Finance at Deutsche Bank Securities in New York). This email effectively demonstrated that hedge funds, such as RenTec, got paid through a tricked-up basket option offered by the bank that magically turned millions of short-term trades into long-term capital gains, saving the hedge fund approximately half the rate of taxes owed on the short-term trades, some of which lasted only minutes.

The email, as well as other materials obtained from Deutsche Bank, were turned over to the Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, headed up at the time by Senator Carl Levin (DEMOCRAT-Mich.). These documents demonstrate knowledge, early on, of the shaky nature of the basket options Deutsche Bank was promoting at the highest levels of executive management.
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The scandal concerned a team of employees at Ernst & Young who developed and sold tax products that allowed wealthy individuals to avoid $2 billion in taxes. The story ended with four people in jail and Ernst & Young paying the IRS $123 million in a settlement that allowed them to avoid criminal prosecution. The “team” began its work in 1998, and, in 2000, Kautter became the head of US national tax services at the company. He went on to say that, following his participation in the Senate investigation into the team’s actions, the group “greatly abused the trust that the firm had placed in them. Looking back, I should have been more active.”

How active will Mr. Kautter be in reviewing RenTec’s $7 billion tax shelter bill on appeal before the IRS?
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While the hundreds of millions of dollars in civil fines and penalties issued against Deutsche Bank make for nice headlines, no criminal prosecution has been brought by any of the countries affected by this nefarious $10 billion scheme.
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One example cited by OCCRP concerns a UK-registered company owned by murky Belize-registered shareholders, with sums of $100m-800m in each transaction. “The contracts in each case stipulated that the debt was guaranteed by companies in the Russian Federation, almost always run by a Moldovan citizen. This Moldovan gave the operation access to the courts in Moldova, which would ultimately permit the movement of the dirty money into the legitimate banking system,” the report said.

Typically, intermediary banks would be used to transfer the money to a friendly bank in a European Union country such as Latvia, also known as “the Switzerland of Eastern Europe.” And once it is in Latvia, voila! It is in the European Union, backed by a court order and clean and ready to use,” the OCCRP said. Typically, once the money has moved into the EU it will continue on to larger banks such as Deutsche and move offshore to such havens as Belize, BVI, Cyprus and the Seychelles. Commercial Bank of San Francisco and Bank of New York were tied into this scheme at one point, and some notable individuals associated with those banks include Bruce Rappaport and Peter Berlin at BNY, Boris Avramovich Goldstein and Irakaly “Ike” Kaveladze with Commercial Bank of SF.  Senator Levin DEMCOCRAT referred to “Ike” as a “poster boy for money laundering.”
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Whistleblower, Eric Ben-Artzi, a past Deutsche Bank employee, was quoted by Ed Caesar in an August 2016 New Yorker article that “there was a cultural criminality” at Deutsche. Ben-Artzi went on to say that “Deutsche Bank was structurally designed by management to allow corrupt individuals to commit fraud.”

https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/01/08/deutsche-bank-global-bank-oligarchs-american-russian-part-1/

Oh OK, so it's only ONE bank, Deutsche Bank, and it's not even American. Right? All the hundreds of other Banks and Financiers and Corporations operating in the US - including those already heavily finned in the $millions and $billions here and overseas already - are of course Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

They are not criminal co-conspirators nor fraudsters with Lobbyists in contact with Congressional operatives, Secretaries writing new Laws re-writing old Laws - or think tanks or registered and unregistered foreign agents and so on during the last 20 years long before Trump ever showed up in town. Meaning during Clinton's Bush's and Obama's tenures   :)

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I think the above is an excellent retort to comments like this :

« Reply #359 on: June 05, 2018, 01:38:48 AM »

Quote from: ASILurker on June 04, 2018, 02:42:24 AM
        So yes nothing wrong in investigating the Trump campaign and asking serious questions and testing their responses.  Nor was investigating Clinton's 2016 campaign while they are at it. But who is going to investigate the FBI, and who is going to investigate the entire US Congress and all the rest who live in "the swamp" there?

        Who is going to Investigate the entire body News Media and Social Media and Internet Search Industry - the people who work in it and run it - in the USA?

Quote from: AbruptSLR on June 04, 2018, 11:05:37 PM
    If you accept Trump's lawyer's point of view that Trump (as head of the DOJ) is personally free to shoot anyone who he thinks is misbehaving; then if you think so many people in Congress, or in the Judiciary (including the Supreme Court), or in the Mueller investigation are misbehaving, then just Tweet the Donald and he can go shoot them for you, just like Saddam Hussein use to do in Iraq.
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« Reply #368 on: June 05, 2018, 04:38:43 PM »

Quote from: ASILurker on June 05, 2018, 01:38:48 AM
    If anyone assumes that my comments amount to being a Trump apologist it is a very very foolish assumption. I was so well informed and judicious about U.S. politics and the Media I fully expected he'd win the election (all things being equal.) Nothing unfolding now is a surprise to me either. There's a civil war going on inside the U.S. 'deep state' apparatus and beltway. Been going on for ages unseen and unnoticed by the naive and gullible. Trump is but a minor manifestation of that. He's no less a patsy than GW Bush was. At least George eventually worked that out for himself with the benefit of hindsight toward the end of his final term.

    Almost everyone else, Mr Abrupt included obviously, have not even begun to scratch the surface. A direct result of not paying attention to the evidence and data made worse by a distinct lack of genuine Objectivity and buckets of unobserved internalized Bias.

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Mr Lurker, I am both sorry and disappointed if you did not catch the drift of my reply.  [.....]

Second, I recommend that either you move such lines of discussion in to the "Deep State" thread, or that you open other threads on the topics of other wrong doings that you want to discuss that are not related to either the Mueller or the Cohen Investigations, as no court/judge in this country is going to accept your preconceptions about 'deep state' activity based on the evidence that you have cited to date. See also the following article:
Title: "Trump's spiral into 'criminal deep state' madness continues"

 ;D  :P  ::)  :-X

Only Deutsche Bank are crooks? Only Trump and his backers are Crooks?

What happened to DEMOCRAT Senator Levin and all the other DEMOCRAT Senators on the take?

 Maybe it's a problem right across the western world of late - where the GFC has made zero difference any where especially in the USA who controls the entire global financial network and the misuse of US Govt targeted sanctions only against some players not all?

What do you think? Nothing to see here? I'm a Stalinist Suddamist extra-judicial assassination supporter? No I am not Israel nor Obama. Nothing like any of them actually. I'm a dead set rule of Law kind of guy happy to point out where and when the existing Laws are total bullshit!

Australia charges 3 banks plus 6 execs with cartel crimes
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/australia-charges-banks-staff-cartel-crimes-55656494
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-05/citi-s-stephen-roberts-others-charged-in-australia-cartel-case
https://global.handelsblatt.com/finance/deutsche-bank-denies-australian-cartel-charges-calls-emergency-meeting-931072

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jun/04/commonwealth-bank-agrees-to-pay-700m-to-settle-money-laundering-lawsuit 

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australian Treasurer Scott Morrison warned that financial sector executives responsible for widespread breaches of corporate law could face jail, as a powerful judicial inquiry heard more evidence of misconduct by the country’s top financial institutions.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-banks-inquiry/australia-says-banking-executives-responsible-for-misconduct-could-face-jail-idUSKBN1HP0CX

Australian Banking royal commission - after a decade of calls for one it finally happens and the shit hits the fan everywhere as the scabs are ripped off.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/banking-royal-commission/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Misconduct_in_the_Banking,_Superannuation_and_Financial_Services_Industry

But no need for such a thing in the USA .... there is no evidence for a multi-year independent Congressional Commission of Inquiry into the US Banking Financial system, another into Political Parties and their Campaign funding and practices?  :)
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #403 on: June 08, 2018, 06:23:57 AM »
Do you really wish to stop the climate science denial networks, lying media and inaction by global governments?

It's simple and easy - cut the head off the Snake. It lives in the USA. That means it is a job only for Americans.

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« Reply #404 on: June 08, 2018, 05:19:05 PM »
The Senate Judiciary Committee is helping to link the Trump campaign & Russia:

Title: "Senate Investigators May Have Found a Missing Piece in the Russia Probe"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/former-gop-congressman-embroiled-in-the-russia-probe/562343/

Extract: "An ex-congressman has attracted scrutiny from the Senate Judiciary Committee, as it continues to investigate whether President Donald Trump’s campaign conspired with Moscow to sway the 2016 presidential election.

Curt Weldon, a Republican and former Pennsylvania congressman, lost his reelection campaign more than a decade ago following an FBI probe into his ties to two Russian companies. He has “connections to both Russia and the Trump campaign” that are raising suspicions among senators, a spokeswoman for Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein said. Feinstein is the committee’s ranking member, and wants to interview Weldon, the spokeswoman said."
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« Reply #405 on: June 08, 2018, 05:34:00 PM »
As much as I am interested in world politics and US politics in particular, I'm going to unsubscribe/unnotify from these discussions, so I can fully focus on the Arctic. I've learned a lot from these discussions, so my thanks go out to everyone participating in them.

Smart move. I concluded my input yesterday. Nothing to see, do or know here or the other threads one can't easily access somewhere else already - if interested. When an opinion or personal insight or an historical background context or reference is expressed it's rare to find anyone who can actually understand what's being said and why. Or cares.  :)

May as well be here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.politics where not much has  changed since 1997-1999 when I was reading that now and then.

Nothing is going to change much or improve in US politics anyway. It's a dead letter.

Mr. Lurker,

Does this post indicate that at some point you are going to stop posting in this thread, because it is a waste of your time?
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« Reply #406 on: June 08, 2018, 05:45:10 PM »
Mueller knows how to squeeze a crime syndicate:

Title: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/mueller-team-zeroes-in-on-encrypted-apps-as-witness-turn-in-phones.html

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs and potentially view conversations between associates linked to President Donald Trump, sources told CNBC.

Since as early as April, Mueller's team has been asking witnesses in the Russia probe to turn over phones for agents to examine private conversations on WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust, according to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Fearing a subpoena, the witnesses have complied with the request and have given over their phones, the sources said."
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« Reply #407 on: June 08, 2018, 06:47:27 PM »
Why would an innocent man be so fixated on the potential for him to pardoning himself?

Title: "Trump doubles down, says he has 'absolute right to pardon myself'"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391334-trump-doubles-down-on-claim-he-has-absolute-right-to-pardon-myself

Extract: "President Trump on Friday doubled down on his claim that he can pardon himself for any potential crimes but insisted that he would not have to because he hasn't broken the law.
"I have an absolute right to pardon myself," Trump told reporters outside the White House before departing for the G-7 summit."
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« Reply #408 on: June 08, 2018, 08:36:52 PM »
The long arm of the law strikes again:

Title: "Mueller Indicts Manafort and Associate With 'Ties to Russian Intelligence' on Charges of Obstructing Justice"

https://www.alternet.org/mueller-indicts-manafort-and-associate-ties-russian-intelligence-charges-obstructing-justice

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday filed a superseding indictment against former Donald Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

Mueller also indicted longtime Manafort associate Konstantin Kilimnik with conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Kilimnik, who Mueller identified in previous filings as “Person A” with “ties to Russian intelligence,” is a Russian-Ukrainian consultant …"
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« Reply #409 on: June 09, 2018, 04:13:27 AM »
Mueller knows how to squeeze a crime syndicate:

Title: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/mueller-team-zeroes-in-on-encrypted-apps-as-witness-turn-in-phones.html

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs and potentially view conversations between associates linked to President Donald Trump, sources told CNBC.

Since as early as April, Mueller's team has been asking witnesses in the Russia probe to turn over phones for agents to examine private conversations on WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust, according to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Fearing a subpoena, the witnesses have complied with the request and have given over their phones, the sources said."

I have been wondering for some time if Mueller set up a special covert division within his SP staff to be the official unofficial leakers for his investigation. The more I see the more my suspicion grows.

Why have these staffers and other people not been charged with a Felony or sacked from the FBI or Mueller investigation yet? I don't recall massive leaks coming out of the FBI investigation in Clinton's emails and her not securing Classified Information. If there was, were they indicted and found guilty?

Yet I have seen others sent to prison by Obama, Bush and Co for doing far less than that. Even seen CIA agents being publicly outed (a national security crime) and those responsible not 'discovered' for years nor sanctioned properly while being protected by the WH from investigation because they worked in that very WH. As well as politicians and their staff interfering inand misrepresenting the work and findings of the CIA.

Is nothing 'sacred' in America? 

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« Reply #410 on: June 09, 2018, 05:47:10 AM »
Who is Bob Mueller?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller
https://starsunfolded.com/robert-mueller/
https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/ivy-league/ivy-league-and-the-cia/
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80B01676R004200020058-3.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/collection/princeton-collection

Robert Swan Mueller III is an American attorney who served as the sixth Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation from 2001 to 2013. A conservative Republican, he was appointed by President George W. Bush; President Barack Obama gave his original ten-year term a two-year extension, making him the longest-serving FBI director since J. Edgar Hoover.

He is currently head of the Special Counsel investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and related matters.

Mueller grew up in Princeton, New Jersey, where he attended Princeton Country Day School, now known as Princeton Day School. After he completed eighth grade, his family moved to Philadelphia while Mueller himself went on to attend St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire (a college-preparatory boarding school)  - capital P for Privileged - Mueller went on to study at Princeton University

Appointed by GW Bush iow by Dick Cheney's Neocon Administration becoming the FBI director on September 4, 2001, just one week before the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.

On February 11, 2003, one month before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Mueller gave (sworn) testimony to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Mueller informed the American public that

"seven countries designated as state sponsors of terrorism—Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Cuba and North Korearemain active in the United States (huh?) and continue to support terrorist groups (who are they?) that have targeted Americans. As Director Tenet has pointed out, Secretary Powell presented evidence (sic?) last week that Baghdad has failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction, willfully attempting to evade and deceive the international community. Our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological, chemical or radiological material." (huh? what material? to whom?)



In June 2013, Mueller defended NSA surveillance programs in testimony before a House Judiciary Committee hearing. He said that surveillance programs could have "derailed" the September 11 attacks. Congressman John Conyers disagreed: "I am not persuaded that that makes it OK to collect every call."

Mueller also testified that the government’s surveillance programs complied "in full with U.S. law and with basic rights guaranteed under the Constitution." He said that "We are taking all necessary steps to hold [Edward Snowden] responsible for these disclosures."

On June 19, 2017, in the case of Arar v. Ashcroft, Mueller, along with Ashcroft and former Immigration and Naturalization Services Commissioner James W. Ziglar and others, was shielded from civil liability by the Supreme Court for post-9/11 detention of Muslims under policies then brought into place.

On May 16, 2017, Mueller interviewed with President Trump to again serve as the Director of the FBI but was not hired. The very next day, on May 17, 2017, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller to serve as special counsel for the United States Department of Justice. In this capacity, Mueller oversees the investigation into "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation".

Mueller's appointment to oversee the investigation immediately garnered widespread support from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) said, "Former Director Mueller is exactly the right kind of individual for this job. I now have significantly greater confidence that the investigation will follow the facts wherever they lead."

Like following all those 'facts' that somehow mysteriously led to the invasion if Iraq in 2003? Yes, he's the exact kind of individual for this job. Undoubtedly. Who better to clean up the swamp than a long term swamp dweller, right? :)

How many times in America does someone need to be proven totally wrong, and proven incompetent at giving totally truthful and accurate testimony to Congress about THE FACTS, before they no longer get hired at 74 years of age? Let the man retire gracefully with his grand kids. He surely has worked long enough, has enough money and wealth already. Aged Neocon war hawks, the 1 percenters, and workaholics should be barred from such jobs.


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Consider the flip side for just a moment:

STEPHEN F. COHEN: Let me play poker with you and 'Call' you and tell you that things are actually even worse. But then step back a bit. What Clapper said about Russians, that they are "genetically disposed" to do us in and to be evildoers is just a form, I guess, of racism. Like saying Jews are genetically disposed to cheat you financially, or blacks are this, or the Irish are that.

This is something that we wouldn't tolerate [about almost any other group], and nobody protested... He said it... on 'Meet the Press,' [on May 30] and by the way, I heard him say the same thing in Australia two days before, so it wasn't an accident. But let's step back a bit... I think that there has been an intelligence operation run against Trump, surreptitiously, since at least early 2016. I would call it Intelgate. And it is that, not Russiagate, that really rivals Watergate. 

and

We know that Clapper is a Russophobe. He thinks they are genetically evil people. But look what Brennan said in his testimony. He was the director of the CIA. He said something absolutely astonishing, and I am glad we know it.

I can't quote him exactly, but I paraphrase accurately. He said Americans who have contacts with Russians have a risk of heading down a treasonous path that they are not aware of until they commit treason. Stop and think about that. This is a guy who is downright paranoid about unofficial contacts with Russia... I've had scores, hundreds of contacts with Russians over my life... That is what I do... But imagine saying that. That was the director of the CIA.

And then we have Comey's testimony. And he comes forward and says he is a great authority on Russia. He knows they hacked us, but then he admits he was one of the leakers! So we have these three top intelligence guys essentially outing themselves, and the strange thing is, nobody pays a mind to what they said... 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/27/stephen_f_cohen_us_intel_services_running_an_operation_to_destroy_trump_since_2015.html

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« Reply #411 on: June 09, 2018, 06:00:17 AM »
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STEPHEN F. COHEN: When I was teaching at Princeton (hint hint hint), I had a number of very good students... who didn't want to become academics, they wanted to work for the CIA. Because they didn't want to kill anybody or spy in anyway, but the CIA had a unit on Russia that did nothing but research...

Back in those days, I would be invited to join in their seminars... so these people in the agency were good people, intelligent people...

Which reminds us that the intelligence services are highly factionalized.

There is no The FBI, The CIA. There are rival factions warring with each other, and they have been throughout my lifetime...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/27/stephen_f_cohen_us_intel_services_running_an_operation_to_destroy_trump_since_2015.html

Watch the video first, then you should go research both what is said and what is not said.
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« Reply #412 on: June 09, 2018, 10:53:37 PM »
Wolfe was the one leaking on Muellers case against Page to Watkins:

"It is not clear why Wolfe focused his alleged leaking on Page."

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/senate-leak-carter-page/

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« Reply #413 on: June 10, 2018, 03:11:26 AM »
Wolfe was the one leaking on Muellers case against Page to Watkins:

"It is not clear why Wolfe focused his alleged leaking on Page."

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/senate-leak-carter-page/

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Wolfe has worked for both Democrats and Republicans in his 29-year career.
As the director of security for the committee, he was tasked with handling documents and contacting committee witnesses.
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« Reply #414 on: June 11, 2018, 08:51:25 AM »
Several Senate Democrats were deeply offended when their colleague Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) publicly called them out by name for backing a bank deregulation bill that will heighten the chances of yet another devastating financial crisis, but that hasn't deterred the Massachusetts senator from continuing to denounce members of her own party for cozying up to corporate power.

"Until we have all of the Democrats who are willing to fight for the American people and not for a handful of billionaires and giant corporations, then it's going to stay an uphill fight," Warren argued.

The Massachusetts senator went on to note that Democrats' refusal to take on Wall Street greed and criminality is part of a broader, systemic crisis that has infected the entire American political system.

"Citizens United is taking the legs out from underneath democracy. And we have to be willing to overturn Citizens United," Warren said. "I get it that it's hard. But we can't give up on it, because money is going to drown our democracy. And if we don't start fighting back and fighting back more aggressively, then we are part of the problem as well."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/06/10/elizabeth-warren-democrats-will-keep-losing-until-entire-party-willing-take

EW: Powerful corporations and their Republican [and Democrat?] allies are working overtime to roll back basic rules that protect the rest of us. So, why is this happening? The answer’s pretty simple. Corruption.

So, let’s talk corruption in Trump’s America.

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Congressman Hakeem Jeffries: Well, there’s a cloud of corruption hanging over 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and the more that we learn, the worse that it gets for the Trump administration.

Judy Woodruff: Maryland and the District of Columbia allege that the president has received improper from foreign governments through his D.C. hotel.

Chris Hayes: The president of the United States attempted to use the power of his office to financially injure a company owned by a man who published journalism the president doesn’t like.

Jake Tapper: He frequently visits properties that he owns, raising the profile of his private enterprise on the taxpayer’s dime.

Peter Alexander: Does the president believe he is above the law?

Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders: Certainly not. The president hasn’t done anything wrong.
Senator Warren really isn’t a fan of bank bosses or CEOs, especially when they’re in front of her Senate committee:

EW: At best you were incompetent, at worst you were complicit. And either way you should be fired. Wells Fargo needs to start over and that won’t happen until the bank rids itself of people like you, who led it into this crisis. Thank, you Mr. Chairman.

.............

EW: In the coming weeks, I will introduce sweeping, anti-corruption legislation to clean up corporate money sloshing around Washington, and make it possible for our elected government to actually work for the American people, again.

........

EW: OK. So let me start with the problem I’m trying to clean up.

Let’s say spill on aisle three, here. You know, we get everybody over to look at what’s wrong here. Rich and powerful corporations figured out decades ago that they could have a business model that was about: Oh, let’s come up with a great product, let’s sell that product, let’s put some money into R & D and let’s put some money into capturing government to work for us, to make the rules on us just a little easier.

Because it turns out that investing money and lobbying Washington, investing money in influencing Washington, invest, hey, $100 million and it can pay back in the billions.

MH: Oh yeah.

EW: Even trillions over time.

Right now, people get bribes from their companies to come work in government. I’ll give you an example of that: Gary Cohn was being mentioned as an economic advisor. Goldman Sachs said: Hey baby, go do this and we will give you more than a quarter of a billion dollars to do that. That’s just a pre-bribe, so that he would go in and advise the president and while he’s advising the president.

MH: He’s not going to screw over Goldman Sachs while he’s advising the president.

EW: In fact, you know, I bet Goldman Sachs got more than a quarter of a billion dollars worth of value out of that one, baby.

MH: What’s my next job?

EW: What’s my next gig? What’s my next job? During writing Dodd-Frank, the financial regulations, do you know that there were 125 former congressmen and top legislative aides who were lobbying? And what were they lobbying on behalf of? The big banks, to make those regulations as weak as possible.

So my bill just says: When you know what the problems are, you know what the solutions are. The first one is, it says you just stop the pre-bribes. You don’t get to pay people to go take those fancy government jobs.

Let’s be clear: Goldman Sachs was not offering Gary Cohn a quarter of a billion dollars if he wanted to go take a job as a firefighter, or he wanted to go take a job as a teacher. It was only if he was going to be in that position to be able to advise the president.

So, for openers: No, no, no — you do not get pre-bribes. Second part, while you’re serving in government, you’ve got to divest. You can’t own individual stocks: Duh. You can’t own parts of companies that are going to be affected by the decisions you make.

MH: And this applies to the president, as well, I’m guessing?

EW: Uh, yes! Yes. Yes. This applies to everyone. And you’ve got to be totally transparent about it.

And the third one, coming out the other side: I tell you one thing we could do for openers. How about if we put in place for the president, for senators, for members of the House, for the heads of all of the agencies, for all of the cabinet officials and for the top aides a lifetime ban on lobbying?

MH: Lifetime ban. Several 100 people there you’ve just named.

EW: Hey, listen: Boo hoo. My view is —

MH: Why would people, why would your colleagues in this place, here on Capitol Hill, including your Democratic colleagues, why would they vote for this? This is turkeys voting for Christmas.

EW: So, so the question is: Can we get enough American people to demand that they vote for it? That’s what democracy is about.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/08/elizabeth-warren-v-the-district-of-corruption/?campaign=homepage-podcast-deconstructed
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #415 on: June 11, 2018, 09:14:53 AM »
ps extract

MH: I hope you’re right. But it is a very radical proposal .. you’re proposing, as a Democratic senator. Now, when it comes to taking money from big corporations, you don’t need me to tell you that the Democrats don’t have clean hands here.

EW: I understand.

MH: They haven’t been reluctant recipients of that kind of money. Barack Obama, when he was running for president in 2008, actually raised more money from Wall Street than John McCain, the Republican challenger did. We know about the Clintons and all of their donors — some dodgy, some not. You know, Senator Robert Menendez who won his primary this week, who’s been accused of all sorts of things involving corruption and bribery and gifts. So would you accept that your party, even when it was in office, is if not more guilty, as guilty? Nearly as guilty?

EW: Oh, come one. This is not about comparisons.

MH: It is, because you have to win over all these people to get them on board your bill, and I’m saying it’s not like your party’s going to be behind you.

EW: Yeah. But here’s, here’s what I think — it’s if people are behind us. That’s how we make change. This place is corrupt. And the problem is that everything I just described: the pre-bribes, the taking care of yourself instead of the American public, the doing your job and keeping an eye on what the next job is in the revolving door,

............

EW: OK so let’s cut right to the bottom line of this. Understand: I taught law for a very long time and talking about constitutional amendments, it actually makes my eyelashes frizz. Because that just seems like oh my gosh, what a dangerous place to go. But on this one? It may be where we have to go.

Citizens United is taking the legs out from underneath democracy. And we have to be willing to overturn Citizens United. One of the tools available to us is a constitutional amendment.
The second tool available to us is a Supreme Court that revisits some of the facts that underlie Citizens United.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/08/elizabeth-warren-v-the-district-of-corruption/?campaign=homepage-podcast-deconstructed

Elizabeth Warren seems to be in close harmony with my own recent comments and opinions on these matters about system wide political / corporate corruption in the USA and what might be done to solve it.
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #416 on: June 11, 2018, 04:12:35 PM »
Good stuff above re. Elisabeth Warren.


What must be remembered is that while ending Citizen's United is a necessity, overturning that ruling isn't itself nearly enough. Corruption at every level of government existed well before Citizen's United had become the law of the land.


The Burr-Hamilton duel was fought in part over allegations of influence peddling and ties to the Holland Land Company. Things didn't improve in the centuries leading to the Citizens United ruling.
Undoing Citizen's United is a necessary first step, but that ruling simply codified practices that have been ongoing for a very long time.


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« Reply #417 on: June 11, 2018, 04:17:20 PM »
Some posts in this thread (e.g. Mr Lurker) indicate that the powers that be (i.e. the alleged deep state) are biased in favor of the Mueller Investigation, & implying that there is no more evidence indicating Trump-Russia conspiratorial actions than there is evidence for many other matters that such be investigated (that involve the alleged deep state).  However, the linked article indicates that Mueller has plenty of evidence (probable cause) of Trump-Russia collusion and thus should legally initiated investigation should continue without obstruction:

Title: "There’s actually lots of evidence of Trump-Russia collusion"

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17438386/trump-russia-collusion

Extract: "Republicans from Donald Trump on down have made “no collusion” a mantra. The term itself is ill-defined in this context; you won’t find in the US code. But roughly speaking, the question is whether the campaign got involved with Russian agents who committed computer crimes to help Trump win the 2016 presidential election.

The verdict on this is unclear. But there is certainly plenty of evidence pointing toward collusion; what you would call “probable cause” in a legal context, or what a journalist might simply consider reason to continue investigating the story. And the investigating thus far, both by special counsel Mueller and by journalists working on the story, has been fruitful. The efforts have continued to turn up contacts between Trumpworld and Putinland, cover-ups, and dishonesty.

Even as recently as Friday afternoon, we got new indictments charging Trump’s former campaign chair and his former GRU operative business partner with witness tampering and obstruction of justice."

Also, I repeat that information of possible wrong-doing by the alleged deep state belongs in other threads.
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #418 on: June 11, 2018, 04:27:10 PM »
The special master in the Trump-Cohen case recently ruled that nearly all of the evidence seized from Michael Cohen’s office and residence are admissible in court. Donald Trump’s lawyers then asserted that they had the right to object to the evidence, while keeping the nature of their objections a secret. Last Friday, the judge in the case ruled that if Trump wants to file objections, he’ll have to make them public.  This is a clear win for the DOJ's investigations of Trump-Cohen:

Title: "Judge Denies Trump’s Secrecy Claim in Review of Cohen Documents"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/nyregion/trump-cohen-secrecy-denied.html

Extract: "Striking a note for transparency, a federal judge ruled on Friday that President Trump and his longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, cannot proceed in total secrecy as they weigh in on the final stages of a laborious review of a huge trove of materials seized from Mr. Cohen during a series of raids by the authorities in April.

For two months now, Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen’s lawyers have been fighting with prosecutors in Manhattan over how to handle the millions of documents and data files that federal agents hauled away from Mr. Cohen’s office, apartment and hotel room. The chief dispute concerned the question of who should get to determine what materials were protected by the attorney-client privilege that Mr. Trump enjoys in his dealings with Mr. Cohen. Those determinations are important because any file covered by that privilege could be withheld from the prosecutors who are investigating Mr. Cohen’s various business projects, including some involving Mr. Trump.

The battle over the materials — a vast cache of Mr. Cohen’s papers, data files from several of his iPads, cellphones and computer drives, and even the contents of one of his shredders — could determine how much and what kinds of evidence the government has at its disposal as it pursues its investigation."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #419 on: June 12, 2018, 12:12:31 AM »
Some posts in this thread (e.g. Mr Lurker) indicate that the powers that be (i.e. the alleged deep state) are biased in favor of the Mueller Investigation, & implying that there is no more evidence indicating Trump-Russia conspiratorial actions than there is evidence for many other matters that such be investigated (that involve the alleged deep state).  However, the linked article indicates that Mueller has plenty of evidence (probable cause) of Trump-Russia collusion and thus should legally initiated investigation should continue without obstruction:

Also, I repeat that information of possible wrong-doing by the alleged deep state belongs in other threads.

Oh please do stop lying about what I say and have said and what other information refs I have shared.

'Deep State' is your term that YOU bought to the forum to discuss not me. I was very clear what I thought about that - a waste of time / limited value - that the discovery of corruption and criminal conspiracy within the political arena was #1 no matter who was involved. 

I never implied or said this :--- "are biased in favor of the Mueller Investigation, & implying that there is no more evidence indicating Trump-Russia conspiratorial actions than there is evidence for many other matters that such be investigated (that involve the alleged deep state).  "

That's your own fantasies at work and YOUR words, not mine. So stop making false allegations about what I have said or believed or implied. You're wrong and spinning your own biases into a hurricane of myth.

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Also, I repeat that information of possible wrong-doing by the alleged deep state belongs in other threads.

Then you need to stop posting your fantasies about the alleged deep state in this thread and other threads. Simple!

There is more than enough evidence already available that Cambridge Analytica was hired operators in the Trump Campaign, was primarily funded by the Mercers, and that CA was a coordinated operation designed to spread disinformation lies and manipulative material to the electorate during the 2016 general elections.

There is more than enough information and evidence available that CA was a Foreign entity staffed by non-citizen 'Foreign Agents' and that it was paid $ millions to directly interfere in the 2016 general election and it did that while in US territory.

There are multiple corruption issues that could be thoroughly investigated by a professional Justice Dept and a Congress willing and able to SERVE the long term interests of the American people long before Trump showed up. Unfortunately it still appears Americans are incapable of 'walking and chewing gum at the same time' as usual.

Oh, did I say "Stop lying about what I say?" You're not qualified to speak on my behalf. If readers are confused or wish a clarification they can ask me directly without the need of this 'biased volunteer peanut gallery' making repeated false allegations about me. 

People are not as stupid or so easily misled as the gallery might imagine they are.
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« Reply #420 on: June 12, 2018, 03:36:26 AM »
This thread topic is 'bleeding' so I thought I would bring something back to here where it belongs.

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From Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")

As the news report states itself:- "The verdict on this is unclear." And the place that verdicts are usually arrived at in Democratic nation based on the Rule of Law is inside a Court Room. But some people still believe the Salem system is preferable and they call it "news".

Furthermore what this:- "But there is certainly plenty of evidence pointing toward collusion; what you would call “probable cause” in a legal context, or what a journalist might simply consider reason to continue investigating the story." amounts to is an active Conspiracy Theory - which after 12 months since May 2017, and the FBI investigations which began a year before that there is still no evidence or charges laid that:

In July 2016, the FBI began looking into Russian interference, as well as the question of whether members of the Trump campaign might have coordinated or cooperated with Russia's activities. Those investigations became part of the Special Counsel's portfolio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%93present)#Russian_election_interference

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, serving as Acting Attorney General due to the recusal of Attorney General Jeff Sessions, authorized Mueller to investigate and prosecute "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%93present)#Topics

After 2 years now - so far there is nothing. So far there have been no LEAKS they have anything. So far there is nothing but innuendos forming the basis of a Conspiracy Theory. 
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1748.msg158360.html#msg158360

On USA Conspiracy Theories & Popular Opinion manufactured by the Media and Politicians

aka Why most educated people no longer support Salem Witch Trials or Lynchings of black men and boys preferring instead tested evidence in a Court of Law and not in the Court of Public Opinion only.
 
Let's chat about that for a bit by way of a comparison - the Iraq War v2.0

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One stop shop using Wiki

A consistent pattern in the months leading up to the U.S.-led invasion was that higher percentages of the population supported the impending war in polls that offered only two options (for or against) than in polls that broke down support into three or more options given ...

Some polls also showed that the majority of Americans believed that President Bush had made his case against Iraq. The Gallup poll, for example, found that 67% of those who watched the speech felt that the case had been made, which was a jump from 47% just prior the speech.

Following Powell's February 5 speech at the UN, most polls, like one conducted by CNN and NBC, showed increased support for the invasion. Tim Russert, NBC's Washington bureau chief, said the increases in support were "largely" due to President Bush's State of the Union speech in January and to Powell's presentation on February 5, which most viewers felt offered strong evidence for action against Iraq.
Only 27% opposed military action, the smallest percentage since the polls began in April 2002.

An ABC News/Washington Post poll taken after the beginning of the war showed a 62% support for the war, lower than the 79% in favor at the beginning of the Persian Gulf War.

However, when the US invaded Iraq in Operation Iraqi Freedom, public support for the conflict rose once again. According to a Gallup poll, support for the war was up to 72 percent on March 19, the day the fighting began. Positive opinion on the war was not only present, it was strong. Out of the 72 percent who reported supporting the war, 59 percent reported supporting the war strongly, and although allied commanders said they had not yet found evidence of weapons of mass destruction days after the initial invasion, 9 out of 10 Americans believed it was "at least somewhat likely" that the United States would find evidence of these weapons. [6]

President George H. Bush's approval rating also jumped at the beginning of the war, going up 13 percentage points at the start of this conflict (Smith and Lindsay).

May 2003
A Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought the Iraq War was justified, with or without conclusive evidence of illegal weapons. 19% thought weapons were needed to justify the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq
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Iraqi President Suddam Hussein Link to 9/11 Lingers in Many Minds - September 6, 2003

Nearing the second anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, seven in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a role in the attacks, even though the Bush administration and congressional investigators say they have no evidence of this.

Sixty-nine percent of Americans said they thought it at least likely that Hussein was involved in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, according to the latest Washington Post poll. That impression, which exists despite the fact that the hijackers were mostly Saudi nationals acting for al Qaeda, is broadly shared by Democrats, Republicans and independents.

The main reason for the endurance of the apparently groundless belief, experts in public opinion say, is a deep and enduring distrust of Hussein that makes him a likely suspect in anything related to Middle East violence.

"It's very easy to picture Saddam as a demon," said John Mueller, a political scientist at Ohio State University and an expert on public opinion and war. "You get a general fuzz going around: People know they don't like al Qaeda, they are horrified by September 11th, they know this guy is a bad guy, and it's not hard to put those things together."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/09/06/hussein-link-to-911-lingers-in-many-minds/7cd31079-21d1-42cf-8651-b67e93350fde/?utm_term=.84798fe64c84

"It's very easy to picture Saddam as a demon" ....
"It's very easy to picture Castro as a demon" ....
"It's very easy to picture Chavez as a demon" ....
"It's very easy to picture Assad as a demon" ....
"It's very easy to picture Putin as a demon" ....
"It's very easy to picture Trump as a demon" ....

It's called Manufacturing Consent!
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media is a 1988 book written by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky, in which the authors propose that the mass communication media of the U.S. "are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function, by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and without overt coercion", by means of the propaganda model of communication
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent


Well so much for the credibility in the American public's OPINIONS and the wild baseless CONSPIRACY THEORIES of Americans. It's the very nature of their Media and their Politicians to be utterly incompetent and almost all incapable of conveying an ounce of verifiable Truth to the public - even when their lives depend on knowing the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

"It is far easier to picture America as a demon" .... when you are on the pointy end of US Sanctions, a US invasion, Water-boarding or another Obama Drone Strike.

Other refs:

NYTs The Nation; How Americans Link Iraq and Sept. 11
By TOM ZELLERMARCH 2, 2003 
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/02/weekinreview/the-nation-how-americans-link-iraq-and-sept-11.html

Gallop March 24, 2003
Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
http://news.gallup.com/poll/8038/seventytwo-percent-americans-support-war-against-iraq.aspx

Gallop September 23, 2003
Americans Grow More Doubtful About Iraq War
http://news.gallup.com/poll/9328/americans-grow-more-doubtful-about-iraq-war.aspx

Half as smart and twice as dumb appears to be the norm. Yet not for the French, Germans, Chinese and Russians in 2003? Why is that exactly?

What did GW Bush have to say about it later?


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« Reply #421 on: June 12, 2018, 04:01:42 AM »
Where did the Iraq WMD Conspiracy Theory come from? America!
Where did all the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories come from? America!
Where did the Vietnam Domino (Conspiracy) Theory come from? America!
Where did the MAD (Conspiracy) Theory come from? America!
Where did the Putin/Russia Conspiracy Theories come from? America!
Where did the Iranian Conspiracy Theories come from? America!
Where did the Nicaragua Sandinista/Contra Conspiracy Theory come from? America!
Where did all the Moon Landing Conspiracy Theories come from? America!

Where did the Russian Government 2016 election interference Conspiracy Theory come from? America!

I think there might be a pattern here.  :)

If the plan does not unfold as expected I see a possible future where Donald Trump is running for re-election in 2020 and saying to the thousands at his Rallies :-

"Those Russians have got to be somewhere. Nope, no Russians over there. Maybe under here."

We'll see. 
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« Reply #422 on: June 12, 2018, 05:03:58 AM »
Good stuff above re. Elisabeth Warren.


What must be remembered is that while ending Citizen's United is a necessity, overturning that ruling isn't itself nearly enough. Corruption at every level of government existed well before Citizen's United had become the law of the land.


The Burr-Hamilton duel was fought in part over allegations of influence peddling and ties to the Holland Land Company. Things didn't improve in the centuries leading to the Citizens United ruling.
Undoing Citizen's United is a necessary first step, but that ruling simply codified practices that have been ongoing for a very long time.


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A fair and reasonable comment, ty

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an aside re EW on trump presidency thread

Strangely Elizabeth Warren might find some support from Pres. Trump



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« Reply #423 on: June 12, 2018, 02:58:22 PM »
There’s actually lots of evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
The untenability of the “no collusion” talking point.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17438386/trump-russia-collusion

Matthew Yglesias writes a good article in VOX.  For anyone watching closely, there have been many signs of collusion and conspiracy between Donnies campaign and the Russians.

Just as in Donnies small crowd size on his inauguration ...... if Donnie says he had the biggest crowd in history, and he repeats it enough, some people are going to believe him.  And that has always been Trumps tactic:  Project and repeat.  Project and repeat....

The circumstantial case for collusion

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It’s worth backing up to recall what we all saw on camera before anyone knew anything about an FBI investigation, before FBI Director James Comey was fired in an effort to halt the investigation, and before Mueller and his team revealed anything:
•Two separate hacks of Democratic Party emails — one purloining a trove of internal Democratic National Committee emails and one that stole a ton of correspondence from John Podesta’s personal Gmail account — were perpetrated over the course of 2016, by what are now believed to have been agents operating on behalf of the Russian government.
•These emails were not immediately released, and they were not released by the hackers who obtained them. Instead, the emails were disseminated to the public by using Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as an intermediary. Their releases also seemed strategically timed — the DNC emails disrupted efforts to create a show of unity between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at the beginning of the Democratic National Convention, while the Podesta emails were released right after the infamous Access Hollywood tape.
•Trump and his campaign, at the time, believed these emails were a big deal and cited them frequently. Trump built substantial portions of his campaign messaging around narratives — typically half-true at best — contained in the emails, and made no bones about welcoming the hacking.
• “WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks,” he said on several occasions on the campaign trail, and he also explicitly called on the Russian government to hack and release Hillary Clinton’s emails.
•Trump also spent the 2016 campaign running an overtly pro-Russian campaign message, praising Vladimir Putin’s leadership, defending him from allegations of murdering his political opponents, and calling for a realignment of US strategy in Syria and Ukraine.

I would not necessarily call any of this “evidence” of collusion, but it’s certainly grounds for suspicion. It gave the impression that Trump was on some level coordinating his campaign messaging with the Russian hackers, and that either he was taking a pro-Putin line in exchange for Russian help or he sincerely believed in the pro-Putin line and therefore saw nothing wrong with accepting Russian assistance.

As Muellers team continues to work on the case.... and as investigative journalists continue to unearth more and more contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign (which the Trump campaign lied about previously, by the way) .... we can expect more and more layers of the onion to be peeled back.

Future indictments of Cohen, Manafort, Trump Jr. and others are sure to provide more insights into the conspiracy between Trumps campaign and the Russians.

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« Reply #424 on: June 13, 2018, 02:05:54 AM »
Mueller is required to take the high road, while the parties that he is pursuing (including Russia) are free to take the low road.  The system is rigged in favor of the bad doers:

Title: "Mueller worries Russia could use court case to spy on probe"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-worries-russia-could-use-court-case-to-spy-on-probe/ar-AAyyupR?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is worried that Russian intelligence services will use a criminal case in Washington to gather information about its investigation and U.S. intelligence-gathering methods.

In court papers filed Tuesday, prosecutors are asking a federal judge to impose limits on the information that can be shared by attorneys in the first criminal case directly related to Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

So far, only one defendant, Concord Management and Consulting LLC, has appeared in the case, and prosecutors say they're worried information they provide to the company's attorneys could end up in the hands of other defendants or Russian spy agencies."
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« Reply #425 on: June 13, 2018, 02:19:57 AM »
Mueller is required to take the high road, while the parties that he is pursuing (including Russia) are free to take the low road.  The system is rigged in favor of the bad doers:

Title: "Mueller worries Russia could use court case to spy on probe"

I think that's called a nothing burger.

The system is rigged in favor of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Suck it up. :)

Or amend the Constitution, preferably by an informed Vote of the People and not by the elites already elected - by the existing electoral system rigged in favor of the 'bad doers' - such as climate denier crazy man Lamar Smith et al. :)
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« Reply #426 on: June 13, 2018, 02:44:33 AM »
By way of example

• “WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks,” he said on several occasions on the campaign trail, and he also explicitly called on the Russian government to hack and release Hillary Clinton’s emails.

I remember laughing out loud at both of those occasions. Trump is such a showman who plays to his audience like every good stand up comic does. It's interesting how one section of society hears what he say and laughs knowing he's joking and the another section cringes in fear and takes it completely seriously - to a point of labeling it a case of obvious 'circumstantial evidence' 2 years later. Now that too makes me laugh out loud.

It's like this (relates to Mr Abrupts post above) "The indictment claims that a St. Petersburg-based firm long suspected of ties to the Kremlin, the Internet Research Agency, used social media, email and other means to manipulate “unwitting” American citizens and Trump campaign officials into protests, demonstrations and the recirculation of media messages." https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/09/mueller-russia-probe-concord-management-pleads-not-guilty-578535

Unwitting indeed. Quite a permanent affliction in my view; see recent comments/refs here about the 2003 Iraq war WMD polling.

I watched Trumps presser from Singapore for some light entertainment. He's not only similar to how a stand-up comic responds to his live audience but his MO is almost identical to a Alex Jones of info wars.

for example, south korea olympics was not looking like it was going to be a success, ticket sales lousy. then Kim offered to send a Nth Korea contingent and that really helped to increase interst in the games and helped to make it a success (words to that effect, go watch his press conference).   So he was saying that Kim was a great guy intelligent and he could make a difference like he did for the Olympics. About 30 minutes later and after mentioning this Olymics imapct by Kim several othe ttimes, Trump had morphed his "story" into gosh if Kim had not got involved in the Olympics they may never have been able to open it at all. Such was the lack of interest in it before Kim got involved.

Trump does this all time, just like Jones does when he reads snippets out of news reports. What starts as a possibility(and he says he is not sure) what is said in a newspaper clipping, within 30 mins to an hour later it has become of known FACT that that is what happened ... FEMA Camps FEMA Camps are everywhere, look it said so in the newspaper they can;'t even deny it anymore!

That's how Trump won the election. Playing on the "unwitting" and I would say "gullible magical thinking" American voter. He used the same approach for years about Obama's birth certificate - playing repeatedly to the crowd - and the news media played along by repeatedly putting him front and center in the next tv news bulletin and newspaper print run.

The level of "gullibility" in all quarters is staggering to watch, but it is entertaining for an observer.

The circumstantial case for collusion? If people really cared about America then surely they would be much more concerned about the circumstantial case for unwitting gullibility of most of the media and most of the people - be they non-voters, repubs, dems or independents.
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« Reply #427 on: June 13, 2018, 03:07:26 AM »
Trump's a smooth operator. A large section of society laps it up while the incompetent media make fools of themselves and their readers.

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Obama was also a smooth operator who played to a different audience in 2008. Much of his rhetoric, warm motherhood statements, and the 'Yes We Can' 3 word slogan were delivered artfully by what could best be described as NLP -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_neuro-linguistic_programming

NLP has roots in Scientology practices but that's another story though very closely tied back to magical thinking in that Fantasyland vid and book I referenced yesterday and unwitting gullibility.

Another note on the Olympics 'narrative' of Trump yesterday. If you hate Trump you're not going to sit down and watch over an hour of a press conference so you're not going to be able to understand what I am saying about that. The media won;t bother to pick it up either becaseu it takes hard work and patience to set aside any biases, be calm and objective, suspend beliefs and quiety objectively observe what is being said and HOW it is being said.

Trump mentions the Olympics many times across an hour - to grasp what is going on one needs to notice (and remember) what's being said and connect the dots across that hour. Bringing all his comments together in a tight series of statements shows how he cranks up the wild claims progressively one on top of each other. If you're a media hack or an extreme biased person pro- or con Trump then you are likely to miss it entirely - and hour many people of the 110 million voters are going to pause their life to watch an hour plus of Trump in a press conference talking crap?  :)

This of course has nothing to do with allegations of Russian Govt interference in the 2016 elections - but it does explain how the voting public keep get taken for a ride. 2 years later the fantasy ride is that there was direct Russian Govt directed interference in the elections. It's called a distraction and grasping at straws by blaming "others" instead of taking responsibility for one's own collective errors, a deeply flawed political system and overall an extremely incompetent biased 'bought and paid for' media industrial complex. 

Mueller isn't going to fix any of that. Not in a century of Sundays.
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« Reply #428 on: June 13, 2018, 01:16:26 PM »
Russia Keeps Meddling, Mueller Says in Bid to Guard Evidence

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The Russians are accused of producing propaganda, posing as U.S. activists and posting political content on social media as so-called trolls to encourage strife in the U.S. The evidence includes between 1.5 and 2 terabytes of data and involves U.S. residents not charged with crimes who the government says were unwittingly recruited by Russians to engage in political activity, prosecutors wrote.

Hmmm.... I wonder where I could find a troll "lurking" on social media?  ;)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-12/mueller-seeks-order-protecting-evidence-in-russia-troll-case
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« Reply #429 on: June 13, 2018, 02:50:09 PM »
LOL

У нас есть наши заказы. Я должен выполнить их, или моя семья в России будет отправлена в ГУЛАГ в сибирской!

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« Reply #430 on: June 13, 2018, 04:04:50 PM »
LOL

У нас есть наши заказы. Я должен выполнить их, или моя семья в России будет отправлена в ГУЛАГ в сибирской!

no we all know that you speak russian but a post in that language won't be shared with too many hence i'd call it's clogging the thread/forum.

perhaps you just wanted to make a joke or keep it private but that would be what PM is for if i may say so.

in case you're russian, i have no issues with that, my wife is from st. petersburg and my kids hold russian passports beside the swiss passport of course, just sayin' to avoid misunderstandings ;)
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« Reply #431 on: June 13, 2018, 04:45:28 PM »
It looks like Cohen is going to flip on Trump ;):

Title: "Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen likely to cooperate as his attorneys leave case, sources say"

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-cooperate-attorneys-leave-case/story?id=55861988&cid=social_twitter_abcn

Extract: "As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Wood’s Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohen’s New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.

Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard."
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« Reply #432 on: June 13, 2018, 05:24:12 PM »
As Manafort was allegedly illegally lobbying GOP Congressmen, I guess this means that some of Trump's Congressional allies (like Nunes) could soon be caught-up in the Mueller investigation.

Title: "Mueller unveils more proof Manafort led Ukraine lobbying in U.S."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/mueller-manafort-evidence-ukraine-lobbying-643476

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller made public new evidence Tuesday that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort directed an organized but unregistered lobbying campaign in the U.S. on behalf of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

In a public court filing, Mueller's team released two memos from 2013 detailing Manafort's involvement in efforts to influence debate in Congress and in the U.S. press about the imprisonment of Yanukovych's main political rival, Yulia Tymoshenko."

See also:

Title: "Rosenstein plans to call on House to investigate its own staff"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/politics/rod-rosenstein-house-investigation/index.html
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« Reply #433 on: June 14, 2018, 01:20:55 AM »
LOL

У нас есть наши заказы. Я должен выполнить их, или моя семья в России будет отправлена в ГУЛАГ в сибирской!

no we all know that you speak russian but a post in that language won't be shared with too many hence i'd call it's clogging the thread/forum.

perhaps you just wanted to make a joke or keep it private but that would be what PM is for if i may say so.

in case you're russian, i have no issues with that, my wife is from st. petersburg and my kids hold russian passports beside the swiss passport of course, just sayin' to avoid misunderstandings ;)

Replies do not exist in a vacuum. Something came before the chicken.

"we all know that you speak russian" How so? Is everyone that paranoid?
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« Reply #434 on: June 14, 2018, 09:17:06 PM »
The statistics on time of postings for a given user can be informative as to location of that user. Everyone has to sleep sometime, even political operatives. I note for example that Kazakhstan is c. 6 hrs east of London. Adjacent areas are plus or minus one hour. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #435 on: June 14, 2018, 10:13:21 PM »
*Remember when Donnie was doing his disco dance with the Saudis on his trip to Saudi Arabia?

*Remember that Jarred Kushner is good friends with Bibi in Israel?

*Remember that Donnie and Jarred blackmailed Qartar?


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/tom-barrack-draws-mueller-s-eye-to-uae-saudi-arabia-nyt-1255451203631?playlist=associated

Yes.... this corruption goes MUCH MUCH deeper and wider than most people think.....
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« Reply #436 on: June 14, 2018, 10:33:57 PM »
Yes .... Mitt's niece is in DEEP DEEP SHIT.  I don't think even Uncle Mitt can save her sorry ass now.  As head of the RNC, she has been helping to cover up for Reince Preibus when he was the head of the RNC during the campaign.

After Reince moved to the White House ..... Ronna Romney moved to the head of the RNC where she has helped to cover up things.

BAD RONNA..... BAD.

Mitt has changed his tune on Donnie (now sucking up to Donnie) for two reasons:  (1) He had a rougher primary in Utah than he should have, and (2) he needs to try and save his nieces behind.

This ..... along with the NRA involvement, don't get enough "airtime".  But there is PLENTY of trouble ahead for both the NRA and the RNC.

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« Reply #437 on: June 14, 2018, 11:40:17 PM »
The implications of the Horowitz Report findings are that if the FBI had followed protocol, Clinton would be POTUS now:

Title: "The long-awaited inspector general report on the FBI, Comey, Clinton, and 2016, explained"

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/14/17448960/inspector-general-report-justice-fbi-clinton-emails-comey

Extract: "The report contradicts President Trump’s often-expressed belief that the investigation was rigged to get Clinton off the hook. Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz found little affirmative evidence on the whole that political bias affected officials’ handling of the probe itself.
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Horowitz concluded that while Comey didn‘t act out of political bias, he “usurped the authority of the Attorney General,” “chose to deviate” from established procedures, and engaged “in his own subjective, ad hoc decision making.” He writes that the Clinton email case was indeed extremely unusual — but that established procedures “are most important to follow when the stakes are the highest.”

But even though Horowitz’s report largely isn’t about the Russia investigation, it’s being released in a political context dominated by both Mueller’s probe and Trump’s attacks on his Justice Department. Indeed, Trump has recently signaled that he’s eagerly anticipating the IG report, since it was expected to criticize Comey, and he is trying to undermine Comey’s credibility."
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« Reply #438 on: June 15, 2018, 05:37:35 AM »
The statistics on time of postings for a given user can be informative as to location of that user. Everyone has to sleep sometime, even political operatives. I note for example that Kazakhstan is c. 6 hrs east of London. Adjacent areas are plus or minus one hour. Just sayin'.

Please change your name to ConspiracyCheck or drop the wild assumptions and the 'silly' coincidences you're noticing. I do not use the Report option because I find telling the truth is faster, more effective and much more entertaining. :)

But has anyone noticed how biased the 'pedant micro-managers' are what's deemed Off-Topic and what is Ad Hominem sophistry gimmickry? I have.
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« Reply #439 on: June 15, 2018, 05:41:41 AM »
The implications of the Horowitz Report findings are that if the FBI had followed protocol, Clinton would be POTUS now:

Putting aside an in-house secretive Horowitz Report if the FBI had followed protocol AND IF the FBI and the DOJ had both applied the Law as it is written then Clinton would have been Indicted and have stood trial already.... and Bernie Sanders might be President now.

"and he is trying to undermine Comey’s credibility."

Comey was and still is quite effective in undermining his own credibility without any help from others. :)
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« Reply #440 on: June 15, 2018, 07:36:54 AM »
"Can you tell us where the origin of the Russia Gate narrative is?"

Russiagate After One Year. Aaron Mate Interview @32mins

https://youtu.be/nlgrOhcajDY?t=32m40s

followed by a little chat about Mueller, how the sycophantic media can fawn over powerful people and the DNC lawsuit about the 2016 election.


April 2017 - Chomsky on Democracy Now with Jimmy Dore
"Russia Hysteria Is Making US International Laughing Stock"
https://youtu.be/9MRQlC9wnok?t=54s

https://youtu.be/9MRQlC9wnok?t=3m48s

https://youtu.be/9MRQlC9wnok?t=5m51s

Only nihilist fools would not want to be deescalating relations with Russia in 2016-2017-2018 onwwards.

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« Reply #441 on: June 15, 2018, 05:57:51 PM »
The link Axios article discusses the likely plan by GOP allies of Trump to try to use the Inspector General's report to undermine Mueller.  However, the reality of the matter is that any/all of the FBI's/Comey's departures from protocol occurred before Mueller as assigned to his investigation, and the IG report had no criticism of Mueller at all.  It appears that Team Trump is trying to pull a snow job on potential voters prior to the midterm elections:

Title: "Between the lines: GOP will use Justice report vs. Mueller"

https://www.axios.com/gop-justice-department-mueller-investigation-c51f2e5a-70a1-44e4-abbf-a3e90f58d757.html

Extract: "The Justice Department's inspector general report on the FBI's handling of its investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails during the 2016 presidential election gave new ammunition to President Trump and other Republicans to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, the Washington Post reports.

The big picture: Republicans touted the report as a meaningful development that will damage Mueller's credibility with the public and hold up President Trump."
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« Reply #442 on: June 15, 2018, 10:51:55 PM »
Even if this LA Times reporting is advising readers not to get to excited, Trump must be having a meltdown now that Manafort is behind bars:

Title: "Is Paul Manafort about to take down the Trump regime? Whoa, there, let's not get too excited"

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-enter-the-fray-will-manafort-behind-bars-mean-anything-1529081535-htmlstory.html

Extract: "A lot of anti-Trumpists are likely taking pleasure in the notion of Paul Manafort getting sent to jail today after a judge revoked his bail over allegations of witness tampering. But it’s unclear whether this will have much impact on the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.
Remember, the case against Manafort deals primarily with action taken before he became Trump’s campaign manager. The array of federal money laundering and conspiracy charges against Manafort are serious, especially with this new set of witness-tampering charges.

At best, though, those charges are pressure points for Mueller – as the risk of prison time becomes higher, the more incentive there is for Manafort to cut a deal and cooperate with Mueller on what he knows – if anything – about ties and contacts between the campaign and the Russians, or anything else, for that matter.

Presuming for the sake of argument that Manafort actually has information Mueller can use, he has a strategic gamble to make: Cooperate and enrage Trump, or sit pat and hope the pardon-happy president comes to his rescue (a long shot, that, given the political fallout).

For Manafort, the witness-tampering allegation is the second time he has allegedly behaved improperly since his indictment. The charges arose from contacts Manafort allegedly made with two witnesses, one of whom told investigators he believed Manafort was trying to get him to lie over the nature of Manafort’s lobbying efforts.

Earlier, Manafort co-wrote an op-ed in the Ukraine defending the work he had done there prior to joining Trump’s campaign. That appeared to violate a gag order in the case, though the judge did not sanction him then."
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« Reply #443 on: June 15, 2018, 11:00:08 PM »
Trump's tweet cited in the linked article makes him look like both a whiner and a dictator wannabe by proposing to lock-up both Comey and Clinton without presenting evidence of 'probable cause' as Mueller did to get Manafort locked-up:

Title: "Trump: “Very unfair” that Manafort was sent to jail after alleged witness tampering"

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/15/17468684/trump-manafort-jail-mueller

Extract: "President Trump responded to a judge’s decision to send Paul Manafort to jail by ticking off his former campaign chair’s résumé.

“Wow, what a tough sentence for Paul Manafort, who has represented Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole and many other top political people and campaigns,” Trump tweeted Friday afternoon. “Didn’t know Manafort was the head of the Mob. What about Comey and Crooked Hillary and all of the others? Very unfair!”"
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« Reply #444 on: June 15, 2018, 11:30:35 PM »
If there is evidence that Giuliani received leaked FBI information about reopening the Clinton investigation, and then disclosed that unauthorized information; he could soon be in legal hot water:

Title: "FOIA Request – Federal Bureau of Investigation – Giulliani Leak"

https://www.citizensforethics.org/foia/foia-request-federal-bureau-of-investigation-giulliani-leak/

Extract: "CREW requests copies of all records pertaining to the FBI’s investigation of the source of the leak of information to Rudolph Giuliani in October 2016 that then-FBI Director James B. Comey was going to reopen the investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email system, which Mr. Comey announced on October 28, 2016.

On October 28, 2016, 11 days before the election, then-FBI Director Comey sent a letter to Congress announcing that the FBI was reopening its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails in light of new information found, but not yet examined by the FBI. Two days earlier Mr. Giuliani telegraphed this announcement on Fox News, stating “I do think that all of these revelations about Hillary Clinton are beginning to have an impact. He’s got a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next two days.” Mr. Giuliani subsequently admitted that he had received advanced notice of this development.

More recently, when asked whether Mr. Giuliani had received advance notice from the FBI about the FBI’s reopening of its investigation, Mr. Comey stated:

“I saw that same publicity and so I commissioned an investigation to see if we could understand whether people were disclosing information out of the New York office or any other place that resulted in Rudy’s report on Fox News and other leaks that we were seeing in the media.”

Any unauthorized disclosure of information about an FBI investigation would violate the Privacy Act, 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b), and the Hatch Act, 5 U.S.C. § 7323(a)(1), if the disclosure was made with the purpose of affecting the result of the election."
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« Reply #445 on: June 15, 2018, 11:39:20 PM »
I believe that a case could be made that Giuliani should be charged with witness tampering due to his public suggestion that Trump might pardon those caught up in the Mueller probe, just hours after Manafort was put in jail for witness tampering:

Title: "Giuliani: Mueller probe 'might get cleaned up' with presidential pardons"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392533-giuliani-mueller-probe-might-get-cleaned-up-with-presidential-pardons

Extract: "President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani suggested Friday that Trump could issue pardons for those caught up in the special counsel probe.

Giuliani made the comments to the New York Daily News hours after a judge revoked bail for Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort over alleged witness tampering, sending him to jail pending his trial in September."

See also:
Title: "Giuliani predicts presidential pardons for those accused in Mueller probe"

https://www.axios.com/rudy-giuliani-paul-manafort-e20dd209-d2a3-4cfe-98ed-f3cb7c098927.html
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #446 on: June 15, 2018, 11:43:42 PM »
The judge in Daniels's defamation lawsuit against Cohen, protected Avenatti's right to free speech:

Title: "Judge rejects Cohen's request for gag order against Stormy Daniels's lawyer"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392506-judge-rejects-cohens-request-to-block-avenatti-from-speaking-to-press

Extract: "A judge has rejected Michael Cohen’s request for an emergency gag order against adult-film star Stormy Daniels’s lawyer."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #447 on: June 15, 2018, 11:56:49 PM »
Per Clapper, the U.S. intelligence community officials were "pretty confident" that they had correctly identified a "suspect" that worked for Russian intelligence and that passed DNC emails to WikiLeaks:

Title: "Clapper: There was a "suspect" in Kremlin-WikiLeaks DNC email transfer

https://www.axios.com/clapper-there-was-a-suspect-in-the-kremlin-wikileaks-dnc-transfer-1529075499-320be1a4-e31f-464c-9578-4b2dd983d1c0.html

Extract: "U.S. intelligence identified a "suspect" that worked for Russian intelligence to pass Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails and documents to WikiLeaks, James Clapper, the former Director of National Intelligence, told Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman on their podcast “Skullduggery."

Yes, but: Clapper said he doesn’t know whether the suspicions were validated. He also doesn’t know whether they were conveyed to Special Counsel Bob Mueller. Intelligence officials were "pretty confident at the time" about the suspect, "but not sufficient enough to publicize it," Clapper said. Clapper served in his role until January 20, 2017.

Why it matters: This chips away at President Trump's repeated denial of assessments that Russia was behind the 2016 information breach. It also strikes another blow against WikiLeaks’ claims that it did not obtain the hacked emails from Russia.

•   Clapper said Russia ensured the transfer to WikiLeaks was done through a "cut-out" so that its founder, Julian Assange, would have "plausible deniability" about where the emails and documents came from."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #448 on: June 16, 2018, 12:21:19 AM »
If there is evidence that Giuliani received leaked FBI information about reopening the Clinton investigation, and then disclosed that unauthorized information; he could soon be in legal hot water:

Title: "FOIA Request – Federal Bureau of Investigation – Giulliani Leak"

https://www.citizensforethics.org/foia/foia-request-federal-bureau-of-investigation-giulliani-leak/
Mr. Giuliani subsequently admitted that he had received advanced notice of this development.


This is strange and/or hypocritical. The Mueller investigation is leaking like a sieve from unnamed sources close to the investigation since it started.

Without this the Media would have nothing to report. I have heard of no investigation into this non-stop leaking. Have you?
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« Reply #449 on: June 16, 2018, 12:35:32 AM »
Per Clapper, the U.S. intelligence community officials were "pretty confident" that they had correctly identified a "suspect" that worked for Russian intelligence and that passed DNC emails to WikiLeaks:

Title: "Clapper: There was a "suspect" in Kremlin-WikiLeaks DNC email transfer

Does Clapper have a job at the moment? No.

Is he a Govt official with a title working in the Intel community at the moment? No.

Does he have insider information from that Intel/law enforcement community? Seems to be the case. Then why is he not being investigated and charged with leaking Govt / Law enforcement information to the media and others with no authority to have it?

Because he is promoting the narrative that a self-appointed group of elites want him to push publicly. It's all very obvious. Why deny this?

Clapper flew all the way to Australia, Singapore and other nations in recent months to front up to media interviews and the National Press Gallery to promote this Meme. A couple of weeks later Hillary Clinton also arrived in Australia and in other nations to do the very same thing. The media sucked it all up.

Clapper also fronted as the lead Insider character for a two-part doco on Trump and Russia Gate. I lost count of the number of times his wording, body language and micro-signals indicated he was lying through his teeth (as per Clinton - I did not have sexual relations).

One of those moments was when asked if he knew that Putin knew about and ordered the interference in the 2016 election. The "tell" was unmistakable indicating he was knowingly lying.

I would like to see Clapper sit through several CIA standard lie detector tests and charged for lying to the public and for "leaking" cherry-picked misleading sensitive national security information. 

Several hundred more after him need to suffer the same consequences. Starting with Comey and a very large section of Congress both Repubs and Dems.

The US is the laughing stock of the world.

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