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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #500 on: July 17, 2018, 02:40:40 AM »
Rand Paul certainly tipped his hand today when he minimized what Russia did during the election.

Things will likely increase in speed over the coming days and weeks as the FBI and Mueller group keep pushing forward.

The FBI still has a lot of information to go through on Michaels Cohen’s case.  But when they do finish going through those documents, charges are likely to be brought against Cohen, and Cohen is going to flip on Trump.  Will Mueller subpoena Trump?  I suspect the odds of that happening have increased.

But I have to believe that Donnie is getting close to melting down, and if enough KEY Republicans would call him out ... that may push Donnie over the edge, and he may start firing some folks.

CLEARLY Donnie is working as an agent of Russia.  CLEARLY.   Buckle up ...
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« Reply #501 on: July 17, 2018, 02:41:45 AM »
Abrupt, that is what I feared you meant (after a few twists and turns).
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« Reply #502 on: July 17, 2018, 03:29:56 AM »

My point is that according to polls, the majority of Trump's base would like to end democracy in the USA, and make Trump a dictator who does not need to face an election in 2020 (assuming that he is not impeached before then).


I'd like to examine all of those polls. Link please.
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« Reply #503 on: July 17, 2018, 01:00:22 PM »
There are a LOT of nervous Republicans in Congress today.  After Donnie all but went up to Putin and gave him a BJ in the press conference.

And with the FBI's arrest of Miss Butina ..... the Russian working on behalf of some half baked Russian guns rights organization .... AND WITH THE NRA ...... those Republicans SHOULD BE NERVOUS.  I think you can now see how quickly these things can EXPLODE.

So what card(s) is Mueller going to play next?  What is the next piece of information we glean from his investigation?

Remember when I said "the Republicans are going to have to make a choice this summer .... they either throw Traitor Don overboard, or they lose bigly in the coming elections."

It's now decision time.  Over the next few weeks we will see who is deciding to go "all in with Vladimir Trump.....and who is on the side of the US."

The NRA is obviously in big trouble ..... but anyone who can read has known that for MANY MONTHS.  I think the RNC (Republican National Committtee) shoe could drop in the coming weeks.  That would not be good for a LOT of the leadership in the Republican party ..... nor would it be good for Mitt Romney's niece who is likely heading to jail herself (Rona Romney heads the RNC).  She may be hitting up 'ole Uncle Mitt for a few shekels to hire a good law firm.  She really is a "piece of work", much like her lying uncle.

It wouldn't take much to turn the Blue Tide into a Blue Tsunami.  Time will tell ......

http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/republican-maria-butina-arrest-leaders/11415/

 
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« Reply #504 on: July 17, 2018, 07:51:02 PM »
While Mueller will not be prosecuting Maria Butina, he will have access to all the DOJ material for that case, and if eventually there is found to be overlap, Mueller will be able to make use of such overlapping information:

Title: "The Justice Department just charged a Russian national with trying to infiltrate the NRA"

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17577838/maria-butina-indictment-russia-spy-trump

Extract: "Maria Butina was accused of trying to influence the Republican Party at Russia’s behest.

An affidavit filed by an FBI agent asserts that Butina tried to cozy up to a gun rights organization so she could influence a major political party, all the while working for a top Russian central bank official and trying to advance the interests of the Russian state — and not registering as a foreign agent.

Though the affidavit does not name many of the people and groups involved, previous reporting and context clues make it clear that the gun rights group is the National Rifle Association, the party is the Republican Party, and the Russian official is Alexander Torshin.

The Butina case is not part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe — she was investigated by the FBI’s Washington field office and will be prosecuted by the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. Butina was arrested on Sunday (before Trump and Putin met)."
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« Reply #505 on: July 17, 2018, 08:01:09 PM »

My point is that according to polls, the majority of Trump's base would like to end democracy in the USA, and make Trump a dictator who does not need to face an election in 2020 (assuming that he is not impeached before then).


I'd like to examine all of those polls. Link please.
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Terry,


I think that you are very lazy.  So here is one link that I found in 5 seconds.  If you demonstrate to me that you have done some research on this matter, then I might consider providing you with more links.

Title: "Do Republicans Actually Want to Postpone the 2020 Election?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/poll-republicans/536472/
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« Reply #506 on: July 17, 2018, 10:43:02 PM »
Trump says that the Russians might have meddled in the 2016 election, but that it "could be other people also."

https://www.axios.com/trump-putin-russia-meddling-7b442f1e-150a-49ef-a37c-c364b43b24e8.html
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« Reply #507 on: July 17, 2018, 10:50:31 PM »
Manafort had better hurry-up and cut a plea deal before his July 25th trail begins, or he could well be in a world of hurt:

Title: "Special counsel Robert Mueller asks for immunity for five potential witnesses in Paul Manafort trial"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mueller-asks-for-immunity-for-five-witnesses-in-manafort-case.html

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller is asking a judge to grant immunity from prosecution for five potential witnesses whose testimony Mueller wants to compel at the upcoming federal criminal trial of former Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort, according to a court filing Tuesday.

If the five unidentified people are not granted immunity — and compelled to testify against Manafort — they would either refuse to take the witness stand or refuse to answer questions by citing their Fifth Amendment right against being forced to incriminate themselves, according to Mueller's filing in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia.

Mueller has also asked Judge T.S. Ellis to seal from public view the court motions detailing the witnesses' identities."
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« Reply #508 on: July 17, 2018, 10:55:04 PM »
For your information:

Title: "Bookmaker increases chances of Trump being impeached after Putin summit"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/397431-bookmaker-increases-odds-of-trump-being-impeached-after-trump-putin-summit

Extract: "Paddy Power increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached on Tuesday from 8-1 to 2-1, according to Yahoo News. The news outlet first reported that the betting company also increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached this year, from 12-1 to 8-1."
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« Reply #509 on: July 18, 2018, 02:57:26 AM »
Paddy Power ? These guys ? They paid out to Hilary bettors early, claimed no chance of Trump win.

Wiki:

"On 18 October 2016, Paddy Power paid out $1.1M to those who bet on Hillary Clinton in the 2016 United States presidential election, citing a certainty of Clinton's victory. Trump won."

So sad.

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« Reply #510 on: July 18, 2018, 04:53:40 AM »
Maybe Mueller is closing in on Team Erik Prince who set up the Seychelles meeting in January of 2017.

Title: "Seychelles meetings probed by Mueller included several Russians: exclusive"

https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/07/seychelles_meetings_probed_in_mueller_investigatio.html

Extract: "NJ Advance Media reported in May that an aircraft linked to the Russian government landed in the Seychelles the day before Prince allegedly met with Dmitriev, which raised questions about the scope of the meetings and whether sanctions were a topic of conversation.

The Russian plane in question departed from Moscow, stopped in Dubai, and landed in the Seychelles at 4:21 p.m. Jan. 10, 2017, according to the Seychelles Civil Aviation Authority -- one day before Prince arrived on the island. The plane carried six passengers, including flight crew.

The passengers stayed at the Four Seasons Hotel -- the scene for the meetings that week in January.

Two individuals familiar with the aircraft's purchasing history said the aircraft is owned by Andrei Skoch, a Russian billionaire who made his fortune in the mining business and is now a deputy in the Russian State Duma, the country's legislative body. Skoch is currently under U.S. sanctions.

That same plane flew to Dubai later in the day on Jan. 10. It returned to the island days later and departed Jan. 19 with a total of 16 passengers. The World Economic Forum began Jan. 20 in Switzerland."
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« Reply #511 on: July 18, 2018, 05:03:09 AM »
If the GOP Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is not prepared to subpoena the US translator in the room with Trump & Putin, then I hope that Mueller subpoenas her:

Title: "Senator Calls For Hearing With U.S. Interpreter In Trump-Putin Meeting"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/senate-hearing-interpreter-trump-putin_us_5b4e4d86e4b0de86f487a4e3

Extract: "Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) says she wants to bring in that interpreter to testify before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on what, exactly, Trump shared with Putin.


“That translator is an official of the U.S. government,” Shaheen told reporters Tuesday. “It is imperative that the American people and this Congress know precisely what the president shared or promised the Kremlin on our behalf.”"


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« Reply #512 on: July 18, 2018, 05:35:06 AM »
Paddy Power ? These guys ? They paid out to Hilary bettors early, claimed no chance of Trump win.

Wiki:

"On 18 October 2016, Paddy Power paid out $1.1M to those who bet on Hillary Clinton in the 2016 United States presidential election, citing a certainty of Clinton's victory. Trump won."

So sad.

sidd

If you think that Paddy Power's odds are wrong and you want to teach them the error of their way, then you might want to consider placing a large bet.

Edit: But before you place any possible bet you might want to check-out the following linked site:

Title: "Odds of Trump Impeachment: Has He Finally Put(in) Himself in an Inescapable Situation?"

https://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/donald-trump-betting-props

Extract: "For the first time since Trump’s election, odds for his impeachment during his first term are -200 at Bovada. In the eyes of oddsmakers, the odds are better than not that Trump won’t see the end of his first term."
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« Reply #513 on: July 18, 2018, 10:08:20 PM »
Looks like another knife fight, this time pitting Page against Strzok.

“On many cases, she admits that the text messages mean exactly what they say as opposed to agent Strzok, who thinks all misinterpreted his own words on any text message that might be negative.”

Wonder how long before Page's testimony leaks ?

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/17/lisa-page-testimony-texts-contradict-strzok/

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« Reply #514 on: July 18, 2018, 10:40:10 PM »

Here's an idea ... how about automatically recording all speech inside the Oval Office (ala Richards Nixon), the Command Center bunker, inside Airforce One & 2, and keeping an active recording device on the US President 24/7 (much like an alarmed ankle bracket used by law enforcement) with all that data collected by the NSA officially and transcribed live to the Cloud so everyone can see for themselves what a great guy he is and to be sure he doesn't trade state secrets for sex with hookers? You know it makes sense.

That's crazy talk.

The next thing you know everybody will have to stop using anonymous IDs and there might be a lot less fake news and conspiracies. Before you know it sanity might break out and then what will we do!
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« Reply #515 on: July 18, 2018, 10:44:44 PM »
If you think that Paddy Power's odds are wrong and you want to teach them the error of their way, then you might want to consider placing a large bet.

I wanted to bet 50 euros, but it seems I can't bet from Austria.
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« Reply #516 on: July 19, 2018, 03:24:46 AM »
Looks like another knife fight, this time pitting Page against Strzok.

“On many cases, she admits that the text messages mean exactly what they say as opposed to agent Strzok, who thinks all misinterpreted his own words on any text message that might be negative.”

Wonder how long before Page's testimony leaks ?

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/17/lisa-page-testimony-texts-contradict-strzok/

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Are you seriously citing Breitbart as a news reference? :P
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« Reply #517 on: July 19, 2018, 03:42:29 AM »
WTF

Title: "White House: Trump will consider letting Russia question investor, former ambassador"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/18/trump-russia-browder-mcfaul-questioning-731616

Extract: "President Donald Trump will consider allowing Russian investigators to question U.S.-born investor Bill Browder, former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and others after President Vladimir Putin floated the idea, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday.

“He said it was an interesting idea. He didn’t commit to anything,” Sanders said at the daily press briefing. “He wants to work with his team and determine if there’s any validity that would be helpful to the process…It was an idea they threw out.”"
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« Reply #518 on: July 19, 2018, 03:48:00 AM »
Why not Breitbart? We're already used to Russia Today here...
The Maria Butina case now becomes serious spy novel stuff. (Not strictly Mueller's job, but his turf: First indictment indicating collusion with Russia...)

I expect the "useful idiots" (a technical term) and the Russian trolls here to overheat.



https://gizmodo.com/this-viral-photo-doesnt-show-maria-butina-in-an-oval-of-1827653099 :o :)

Time for more popcorn.
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« Reply #519 on: July 19, 2018, 04:58:03 AM »
Republican leaders in Congress going to be under much more pressure after the latest New York Times article tonight, detailing how Donald Trump was consulted by the US intelligence agencies IN DETAIL in January 2017 about the Russian interference into the US elections.

Republican leaders like McConnell, Ryan and others in for a rough ride.  As the unmasking of Trump as an agent of Russia continues, the depth and breadth of collusion with Russia AND the broad coverup and obstruction of justice will blow everyone away.

Treason is now VERY MUCH in play .... and not just for Traitor Trump.  And yes, the Russian trolls will be working overtime.
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« Reply #520 on: July 19, 2018, 05:30:17 AM »
Re: "Are you seriously citing Breitbart as a news reference"

Mea culpa. The quote

“On many cases, she admits that the text messages mean exactly what they say as opposed to agent Strzok, who thinks all misinterpreted his own words on any text message that might be negative.”

is from

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1019210520979755008

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« Reply #522 on: July 19, 2018, 06:05:39 AM »
Republican leaders in Congress going to be under much more pressure after the latest New York Times article tonight, detailing how Donald Trump was consulted by the US intelligence agencies IN DETAIL in January 2017 about the Russian interference into the US elections.

Republican leaders like McConnell, Ryan and others in for a rough ride.  As the unmasking of Trump as an agent of Russia continues, the depth and breadth of collusion with Russia AND the broad coverup and obstruction of justice will blow everyone away.

Treason is now VERY MUCH in play .... and not just for Traitor Trump.  And yes, the Russian trolls will be working overtime.

It is indeed treason, but Republican leadership and his base will turn a blind eye.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html#click=https://t.co/pHXVEZ7bLP

WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.
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And ultimately, several human sources had confirmed Mr. Putin’s own role.

That included one particularly valuable source, who was considered so sensitive that Mr. Brennan had declined to refer to it in any way in the Presidential Daily Brief during the final months of the Obama administration, as the Russia investigation intensified.

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« Reply #523 on: July 19, 2018, 06:27:21 AM »
Remember the efforts by Kushner and Flynn to create a back channel to Russia?

A few weeks after Trump was given the info detailed in the NYT article, a senior Russian cyberintel officer was arrested on charges of treason.

In the ensuing months, a number of Russian officials succumbed to mysterious deaths.

Folks, it’s been in plain sight from the get go.

The effort to take Trump down is going to intensify, as is the vigor of his manic defense and gaslighting, and the circling of the wagons by his cult.

There is no way to predict how this will end.

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« Reply #524 on: July 19, 2018, 03:16:25 PM »
For your information:

Title: "Bookmaker increases chances of Trump being impeached after Putin summit"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/397431-bookmaker-increases-odds-of-trump-being-impeached-after-trump-putin-summit

Extract: "Paddy Power increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached on Tuesday from 8-1 to 2-1, according to Yahoo News. The news outlet first reported that the betting company also increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached this year, from 12-1 to 8-1."

Neven wants to bet at these rubbish odds? huh?

Intrade offers better than 5/2 on Trump leaving office during first term and 13:1 on leaving office this year.

Leaving office through ill health would lead to bet paying out at intrade which makes discrepancy in odds worse, but not sure about any delay between being impeached and leaving office perhaps explaining some of the difference.

Sounds like Paddy power have received large bets and don't want more money placed on those bets.

Don't think intrade takes bettors from Austria either.

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« Reply #525 on: July 19, 2018, 05:09:30 PM »


Any and all other reports, investigations, intel NDI opinions and Mueller Indictments about the alleged acts of Russian citizens and/or Russian Govt employees is besides the point to what Mueller has been charged to specifically investigate regarding the Trump Campaign. People would be wise to continually check their own thinking that they are NOT conflating the TWO very separate issues here. Including the repeated errors, distortions and political propaganda that comes out of the likes of the NYTs and all the incompetent journalists reporting on these two separate matters. 

False.  Mueller's remit includes the investigation and prosecution of all crimes that he comes across in the course of his investigation.  I posted the document previously here.

Mueller is doing exactly as he's been charged to do.

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« Reply #526 on: July 19, 2018, 05:27:27 PM »
Muellers indictment features claims about Guccifer 2.0 that are inconsistent with what has been discovered about the persona, says the IT security expert Adam Carter who has in depth analyzed all trails of Guccifer 2.0. The inconsistencies include the following:

    Evidence was found over 500 days ago relating to the Guccifer 2.0 persona that showed they had deliberately manipulated files to have Russian metadata. We know the process used to construct the documents was not due to accidental mistakes during the creation process. Guccifer 2.0 also went to considerable effort to make sure Russian error messages appeared in copies of files given to the press. Why on earth would this be done by GRU agents? Wouldn't they rather try to hide any Russian trails?
    The Trump opposition research, which CrowdStrike claimed was targeted at the DNC, apparently in late April 2016, isn’t what Guccifer 2.0 actually presented to reporters. It also didn’t come from the DNC, but was an attached file on one of John Podesta’s emails – not the DNC’s. This specific copy appears to have been edited by Tony Carrk shortly before it was sent to Podesta. The fact that Guccifer 2.0’s initial releases were Podesta email attachments was even conceded by a former DNC official.
    Evidence – which Guccifer 2.0 couldn’t manipulate due to being logged by third parties – suggests he was operating in the US.
    Additional evidence, which Guccifer 2.0 would have been unlikely to realize “he” was leaving, indicated that the persona was archiving files in US timezones before release, with email headers giving him away early on.
    Virtually everything that has been claimed to indicate Guccifer 2.0 was Russian was based on something he chose to do.
    Considering that Guccifer 2.0 had access to Podesta’s emails, yet never leaked anything truly damaging to the Clinton campaign even though he would have had access to it, is highly suspicious. In fact, Guccifer 2.0 never referenced any of the scandals that would later explode when the DNC emails and Podesta email collections were published by WikiLeaks.

Guccifer 2.0 did use a Russian VPN service. However, the premise that intelligence agencies would use a commercial VPN service in their own nation to conceal their own state-backed hacking operations is just as ridiculous as the notion that the GRU would frame Russia though that’s exactly what the Guccifer 2.0 persona did from the moment he appeared.


Most of the claims in the indictment are analyzed and commented. Interesting read.

https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/07/muellers-latest-indictment-ignores-evidence-in-the-public-domain/

Could it be that Trump is right to question his intelligence agencies?

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
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« Reply #527 on: July 19, 2018, 06:22:34 PM »
Everybody:

We are just entering the age of DeepFake.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/robotics/artificial-intelligence/experts-bet-on-first-deepfakes-political-scandal
Rebecca Crootof, executive director of the Information Society Project and a research scholar and lecturer in law at Yale Law School.
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“There is very little disagreement that it’s going to happen and it will happen in a way that fools us all—and it won't be proven that it's happened until long after a number of people have been convinced by it, and possibly policies have been shaped by it,” Crootof says.

The DoD, CIA are in this just as much as Big Tech.
https://www.darpa.mil/program/media-forensics

Just imagine a DeepFake recording so good it fools Trump into making a disastrous snap decision. A fake video or faked recording so good only another AI program can spot the difference.

Brave New World eh?
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #528 on: July 19, 2018, 11:48:01 PM »

My point is that according to polls, the majority of Trump's base would like to end democracy in the USA, and make Trump a dictator who does not need to face an election in 2020 (assuming that he is not impeached before then).


I'd like to examine all of those polls. Link please.
Terry


I think that you are very lazy.  So here is one link that I found in 5 seconds.  If you demonstrate to me that you have done some research on this matter, then I might consider providing you with more links.

Title: "Do Republicans Actually Want to Postpone the 2020 Election?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/poll-republicans/536472/
In your hast to find something to back your claim, you chanced upon a link from 2017 that actually postulates quite the opposite. 5 seconds is certainly a very rapid search, but hadn't you already read the polls before you wrote a post in which you claim to synopsis their finding?


While I do appreciate the extremes you've gone to in order find some means of substantiating your, "bolded" claim, a very out of date link saying that an even earlier poll was poorly designed and wasn't really asking what the pollsters claimed does little to bolster your argument.


Lazily Yours
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I'm have no interest in "demonstrating" my "research". If you don't wish to defend your silly post, then don't bother to do so.

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #529 on: July 20, 2018, 03:19:23 AM »

In your hast to find something to back your claim, you chanced upon a link from 2017 that actually postulates quite the opposite. 5 seconds is certainly a very rapid search, but hadn't you already read the polls before you wrote a post in which you claim to synopsis their finding?


While I do appreciate the extremes you've gone to in order find some means of substantiating your, "bolded" claim, a very out of date link saying that an even earlier poll was poorly designed and wasn't really asking what the pollsters claimed does little to bolster your argument.


Lazily Yours
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I'm have no interest in "demonstrating" my "research". If you don't wish to defend your silly post, then don't bother to do so.

I read an article about the poll in 2017, but I did not keep track of it.  Thus I conducted a Google search in 5 sec. to find a different article about the same poll.
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #530 on: July 20, 2018, 03:59:25 AM »
We can soon close this tread since we have now moved on past the popular meme of "Russia didn't affect the outcome of the 2016 election" to "It was a good thing Russia helped rig the election".
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/565592/

It's about time we rip the mask off.
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #531 on: July 22, 2018, 06:53:33 PM »

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #532 on: July 22, 2018, 08:30:51 PM »
RE: FBI release of Carter Page FISA applications.

By releasing this I think they have signaled the end of the FISA program.
From here on out they will use the all-purpose, much more powerful, National Security Letter law. Fast FBI approval process, no judicial review needed, no appeal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter
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« Reply #533 on: July 23, 2018, 06:25:23 AM »
Re: "the end of the FISA program"

Hardly. FISA judges turn down a miniscule fraction of presented warrants.

Re: "US law firm"

Perkins Coie

Re: "unnamed US Male Person"

Glenn Simpson

Re: "Steel travels to Russia personally"

No. Steele is known in Russia. He relies on others in russia and elsewhere. Who feed him what he wants. Just as he feeds the Clinton campaign what they want to hear.

As i posted earlier:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg127968.html#msg127968

a quote from Someone Who Should Know:

"I can tell you what the veterans of the S.I.S. [the British Secret Intelligence Service, or MI6] think, which is yes, kompromat was done on him. Of course, kompromat is done on everyone. So they end up, the theory goes, with this compromising bit of material and then they begin to release parts of it. They set up an ex-MI6 guy, Chris Steele, who is a patsy, effectively, and they feed him some stuff that’s true, and some stuff that isn’t true, and some stuff that is demonstrably wrong. Which means that Trump can then stand up and deny it, while knowing that the essence of it is true. And then he has a stone in his shoe for the rest of his administration."

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #534 on: July 23, 2018, 07:23:36 AM »
Re: "the end of the FISA program"

Hardly. FISA judges turn down a miniscule fraction of presented warrants.

sidd

You are missing the point here.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-carter-page-fisa-applications

"The government considers FISA applications to be very sensitive—and their disclosure, even heavily redacted, may have long-term, programmatic consequences long after we’re finished with President Trump. The government seems to have accepted that FOIA applies to FISA."

In government speak, FISA is fair game for FOIA law suites and that means everything disclosed in a FISA warrant is potentially subject to public disclosure, including the names of the judges, and other high officials. FISA is kryptonite now to the FBI.

As the author points out, this will have effects long after the Trump/Russia issue is over.
Here's the thing. FISA was supposed to restrain the FBI. It's a sure bet the FBI is going to continue do surveillance on 'enemies of the state' so this just makes it easier to do it without oversight.

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #535 on: July 23, 2018, 07:06:19 PM »
'It's not looking good' - stalemate over WikiLeaks Assange's future 'coming to a head'

Finally ..... we can get to Julian Assange so he can clear Traitor Donnie of any wrongdoing.  ;)

This is clearly good news for Donnie ..... just ask Rudy Guilianni  ;).... ANYTHING is good for Donnie and helps clear Donnie.  Donald Trump's fingerprints on the weapon used in a murder would be touted as good news by Rudy.

The diplomatic impasse over Julian Assange's six-year stay in Ecuador's London embassy is coming to a head, a source close to the WikiLeaks founder said on Monday, after media reports the South American country would rescind his political asylum.

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Mr Assange has been living in Ecuador's London embassy since June 2012 when he successfully sought asylum to avoid extradition to Sweden to face questioning about allegations of sex crimes which he has always denied.

Those allegations have since been dropped but Mr Assange would be arrested by British police should he leave the embassy for breaching bail conditions.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/its-not-looking-good-stalemate-over-wikileaks-assanges-future-coming-to-a-head-37146259.html

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« Reply #536 on: July 23, 2018, 08:28:44 PM »
There are MANY things that have already started to "spill out" into the public domain regarding RussiaGate.  One of the more interesting to me ..... and one that I believe will be VERY DAMAGING to the Republican party ..... is the relationship of the Russians + RNC + NRA.  And Maria Butina is right in the middle of this one.

There's something about Maria ........ ;)

http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/second-american-maria-butina-key/11532/
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« Reply #537 on: July 27, 2018, 12:11:22 AM »
Allen Weisselberg knows where all of the financial skeletons are in Trump's closet:

Title: "Why the Allen Weisselberg subpoena is so dangerous for Trump"

https://thinkprogress.org/allen-weisselberg-subpoenaed-trump-organization-cohen-investigation-187aa7fafd57/

Extract: "Allen Weisselberg, the man at the financial center of Trump's businesses, presents a new problem for the president.
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“Alan knows everything and anything about all the financials…He knows every dollar that goes in and every dollar that leaves,” a former Trump Organization employee told Washington Post White House bureau chief Philip Rucker on Thursday. “He knows where all the bodies are buried.”"
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #538 on: July 27, 2018, 04:24:46 AM »
Drip .... drip ...... drip ....
Slosh ..... slosh ..... slosh
Flood ...   flood ..... flood

That’s the way these things work out...... I think that everyone beyond the sixth grade knew that Donald Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian lawyer to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. 

I happen to believe that Michael Cohen will flip fairly soon.  Now that the Trump CFO has been subpoenaed, Cohen will have dirt on the Trump CFO.  And the CFO knows everything about Trump.

Buckle up .....
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« Reply #539 on: July 27, 2018, 04:43:21 PM »
W.r.t. the linked article:
1. Cohen's lawyer says that someone on Team Trump leaked the information that Cohen claims that Trump had prior knowledge of the Trump Tower meeting.
2. As head of the Executive Branch, Trump's bashing of Cohen is both witness tampering and also obstruction of justice.
3. Don Jr. admitted in Congressional testimony that prior to the Trump Tower meeting he made a call to a blocked number.  If Mueller can prove that that blocked number belonged to Trump, then Cohen's pending testimony on this matter could be substantiated.

Title: "Trump rips Cohen claim: He's 'trying to make up stories'"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399141-trump-rips-cohen-claim-he-knew-of-trump-tower-meeting-hes-trying-to

Extract: "CNN reported Thursday that Cohen claims Trump had prior knowledge of the meeting between his son and a Kremlin-connected lawyer and is willing tell his account to special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Moscow's election interference efforts in 2016.

The back-and-forth marks a further escalation of the feud between Trump and Cohen, which poses legal and political problems for the president and for the White House."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #540 on: July 27, 2018, 05:05:22 PM »
The chances of Donald Trump moving to Moscow just went up.  Putin just invited Trump to visit.  I am NOT surprised in the least.  Risk of Trump moving to Moscow just went up to 40%.

While on his trip to Moscow .... his odds of coming back to the US are the same as him staying in Moscow: 50/50

Those odds can and will change as information continues to come out in the coming days and weeks.

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« Reply #541 on: July 27, 2018, 05:28:33 PM »
The chances of Donald Trump moving to Moscow just went up.  Putin just invited Trump to visit.  I am NOT surprised in the least.  Risk of Trump moving to Moscow just went up to 40%.

While on his trip to Moscow .... his odds of coming back to the US are the same as him staying in Moscow: 50/50

Those odds can and will change as information continues to come out in the coming days and weeks.

#TREASON

Why would Putin want to harbor a fugitive, criminal former US President?  Not good for international relations.  Removes the last shreds of Putin's plausible dependability.

More likely, he might help Trump retire to Uruguay (or wherever).  The problem for Trump is that as soon as he steps down as President, quite a few in power would find him of more use having suffered an accidental death than hanging around with a big mouth.

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« Reply #542 on: July 27, 2018, 05:43:46 PM »
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Why would Putin want to harbor a fugitive, criminal former US President?  Not good for international relations.  Removes the last shreds of Putin's plausible dependability.

1)  INFORMATION.  I have suspected from DAY 1 that Trump has been on Russia's payroll .... LITERALLY.

2)  Trump will be of NO USE to Putin if Traitor Don is in the US.  In fact .... he will only serve as a constant reminder of how Russia interfered in the election.  Putin has been cultivating this crop for over 15 years ...... he is going to get everything he can get out of it.  If he can't keep his man in the Oval Office ..... he would rather have him in Russia where he can get info from him and use him as propaganda.

3) By having Trump in Moscow ...... it is Putin's way of snubbing the "Great US" .... while at the same time getting any information that he can.  This has likely always been the "escape hatch" in case things did NOT go as planned.  Remember ..... I have ALWAYS said that "Donnie wants what Vladimir has".  Well .... Vladimir ALSO wanted Donnie to have those things.  BUT .... like any good KGB officer, you plan for contingencies.  That is what this "third route" (moving to Moscow) is.  Again ..... I say that on any trip to Moscow, chances are 50/50 that he comes back.

4)  The onion is going to unravel further.  Remember .... the public only knows A VERY SMALL AMOUNT of what is NOW going on with the FBI/CIA/etc.

5) Little Vladi controls the media in Russia.  He will make up some story and sell it on RT/TASS.

HINT: There are going to be SEVERAL NERVOUS NELLIES IN CONGRESS ..... AND ONE OR TWO AT FOX.

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #543 on: July 27, 2018, 06:09:53 PM »
@SteveMFDP: I think that's unlikely. We have a complex situation unfolding, even if we could provide courtworthy evidence. Also, Democrats have no power until (hopefully) January 7, 2019. Republicans are so corrupt and happy with their tax cuts and court stuffings they will continue to do what they can to delegitimize our legal authorities. We seem to have given too much power to our president. Those criminals will not go quietly and I doubt they will hide.

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« Reply #544 on: July 27, 2018, 06:19:10 PM »
@SteveMFDP: I think that's unlikely. We have a complex situation unfolding, even if we could provide courtworthy evidence. Also, Democrats have no power until (hopefully) January 7, 2019. Republicans are so corrupt and happy with their tax cuts and court stuffings they will continue to do what they can to delegitimize our legal authorities. We seem to have given too much power to our president. Those criminals will not go quietly and I doubt they will hide.

I think most probably Trump stays in the White House until the end of his term.  2/3 majority in the Senate to remove seems quite improbable.  So I differ fairly strongly with Buddy on the timeline.  But as soon as he no longer holds Presidential power, he's on an express lane to prison.  Retiring to posh house arrest in Moscow is plausible.  And as a trial would mean public presentation of lots of damning evidence, it's in every corrupt player's interest for Trump not to be around in the US to go to trial.

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« Reply #545 on: July 27, 2018, 06:20:01 PM »

4)  The onion is going to unravel further. 

Yes, and the churches in the Kremlin even have onion-shaped cupolas! Scary.

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« Reply #546 on: July 27, 2018, 08:31:41 PM »
Brad Parscale should be very worried right now (unless he is already working with Mueller).  He is going to spend a LONG TIME in jail.  Brad is the IT guru for the Trump campaign.

Who is going to break from Trump next?  I sure hope Sarah doesn’t break yet.  I want to see her go to prison for about 15 years or more.  She would be very deserving of a stiff sentance.  Let’s see how many more press conferences she gives ...
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #547 on: July 30, 2018, 10:59:03 PM »
More & more details about the lead-up to the Trump Tower meeting:

Title: "Rudy Giuliani’s rambling new statements on Michael Cohen and the Trump Tower meeting, decoded"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17630148/giuliani-trump-tower-cohen-mueller-russia
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« Reply #548 on: July 31, 2018, 04:49:10 AM »
According to Giuliani, Rick Gates was in the planning meeting for the Trump Tower meeting.  Thus as Gates has already cut a plea deal with Mueller, we can count on learning much more when Mueller issues more indictments:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/30/politics/giuliani-interview-trump-russia/index.html
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« Reply #549 on: July 31, 2018, 06:46:42 PM »
Team Trump's gaming of the media over the word 'collusion', will not help them against Team Mueller, as there are well over 30 different laws that the Trump Campaign may have broken by coordinating/conspiring/colluding with the Russians leading-up to the 2016 election:

Title: "Trump says “collusion is not a crime.” Not quite."

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17634146/trump-collusion-crime-russia-mueller


See also:
Title: "Ex-FBI chief of staff: Collusion is ‘absolutely a crime’"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/399640-former-senior-fbi-official-collusion-is-absolutely-a-crime

Extract: "“Collusion is a crime,” Rosenberg said on MSNBC's "MTP Daily." “We just happen to call it something else, we call it conspiracy, but it is absolutely a crime.”

...
“You probably won’t find the crime bank heist in the criminal code but bank robbery is a crime too, and so I am sort of perplexed that it has come down to synonyms,” said Rosenberg, who once headed the Drug Enforcement Administration.

“If these folks don’t know that collusion and conspiracy are synonyms for one another and this is a legal strategy, then they might want to consider changing horses in this race,” Rosenberg added."

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