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« Reply #550 on: August 01, 2018, 06:39:56 AM »
Probbly should have posted this here:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg165169.html#msg165169

G-2/forensicator/"Adam Carter" exposed thru sloppy tradecraft: DNC hack timestamp analysis challenged: Binney no longer believes G-2/forensicator evidence:

"After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”."

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

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« Reply #551 on: August 01, 2018, 02:28:25 PM »
When Rod Rosenstein announced the indictments of the dozen Russians several weeks ago, he “tipped his hand” just a wee bit .... and suggested that in the future that “Americans put their party identity aside”.

To me ..   that meant that more indictments are “in the hopper and ready to go”.  It also suggests that they may include elected officials and/or administration appointees.

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« Reply #552 on: August 01, 2018, 07:19:02 PM »
Here is Trump's latest effort to obstruct justice, disguised as an in-your-face tweet:

Title: "Trump to Jeff Sessions: End the Mueller investigation "right now""

https://www.axios.com/trump-jeff-sessions-mueller-investigation-82ca921b-a047-4ef4-a65e-4454b4b80fef.html

Extract: "Trump has repeatedly pressured Sessions to end the investigation on at least four occasions, Swan reported in May. The NYTimes reported last week that Mueller is scrutinizing the president's tweets as part of a wide-ranging obstruction of justice inquiry."

See also:

Title: "Sarah Sanders says Trump ‘is not obstructing, he’s fighting back.’ There’s just one problem."

https://thinkprogress.org/sarah-sanders-trump-sessions-not-obstructing-fighting-back-russia-4017a1f05f4d/

Extract: "Suffice it to say there is no “fighting back” exception to obstruction of justice charges, which were part of the articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton."
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« Reply #553 on: August 03, 2018, 04:33:17 AM »
Manafort’s bookkeeper testifies against him, alleging efforts to inflate income

Paul Manafort’s longtime bookkeeper testified against him Thursday, telling a Virginia jury that his seven-figure lifestyle lasted until about 2015 when the cash ran out, the bills piled up and he and his business partner began trying to fudge numbers to secure loans.

Prosecutors say that is because Manafort’s biggest client — what one associate called his “golden goose,” Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych — fled for Russia in 2014 amid massive protests against his government.

The dry but potentially damaging testimony from the bookkeeper, Heather Washkuhn, appeared to undercut Manafort’s defense against bank and tax charges, which is that his business partner is responsible for any financial misdeeds. But Washkuhn testified that Manafort approved “every penny.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manaforts-bookkeeper-testifies-against-him-alleging-efforts-to-inflate-income/2018/08/02/abba1f88-968a-11e8-80e1-00e80e1fdf43_story.html?utm_term=.18205a870afe

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On Wednesday, witnesses testified that Manafort spent more than $1 million on business suits and luxury clothes over five years.

Funny, since for the next five years he only needs one suit : A bright orange jumpsuit.
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« Reply #554 on: August 03, 2018, 06:34:26 AM »
Glenn Simpson and Fusion/GPS seem to have escaped Mueller's scrutiny so far. Odd, considering Simpson was playing several hands at once:

a) Assisting Prevezon in lawsuit against bill browder and getting paid by Veselnitskaya
b) while Veselnitskaya was working for repeal of Magnitsky Act as in the Trump Jr meeting
c) while Simpson was running Steele and getting paid by Perkins Coie for the Democrats

We shall see.

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« Reply #555 on: August 03, 2018, 08:12:01 AM »
I've wondered if the upright, but philandering Bob Livingston has been registering as a paid lobbyist for all of the assorted and sordid foreign politicians he's represented since his infamous act of self-defenestration.
Surely Mueller will dig into this as deeply as he's been digging into the shenanigans of the brothers Podesta.

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« Reply #556 on: August 03, 2018, 09:06:01 AM »
Probbly should have posted this here:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg165169.html#msg165169

G-2/forensicator/"Adam Carter" exposed thru sloppy tradecraft: DNC hack timestamp analysis challenged: Binney no longer believes G-2/forensicator evidence:

"After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”."

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

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It's not just pro-Kremlin G-2/"Adam Carter/Tim Leonard" who has egg on his face now.

Mueller's team explained in excruciating detail how the Russian Military Intelligence agency GRU hacked into the DNC and the DCCC networks, and created the Guccifer 2.0 persona :
https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Given these facts, also Ray McGovern and William Binney himself (as well as their group VIPS) lost credibility :

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Some former intelligence officials, from a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), backed up the claim. A group, including William Binney, a former technical director at the US National Security Agency (NSA), and former CIA officer Ray McGovern, were persuaded, without checking the file data, to say that the hacking was the work of insiders.

and other VIPS members now throw these fellow members that put out media reports under the bus :

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According to former NSA technical manager Tom Drake, “Ray’s determination to publish claims he wanted to believe without checking facts and discarding evidence he didn’t want to hear exactly reproduced the Iraq war intelligence failures which the VIPS group was formed to oppose”. He and other VIPS members refused to sign McGovern’s report.

Not to mention that Seth Rich truthers like Seymour Hersh were proven wrong. Again.

Amazing what a good amount of fact checking can do. It's Mueller time again.
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« Reply #557 on: August 03, 2018, 01:49:59 PM »
Adam Carter and Disobedient media claim there is a smear campaign in the making, and that Campbells critique is not based on facts.

"Early yesterday, journalist Duncan Campbell published an inaccurate, deceptive smear piece which doxxed independent journalist Adam Carter, ...In the wake of the hit-piece, Adam Carter has publicly stated that he is considering taking legal action due to the libelous material contained in Campbell’s work. Over the coming days and weeks, Disobedient Media will likely publish multiple articles addressing the issue. However, this initial response is dedicated to placing the character assassination attempt firmly into the context in which it belongs: as part of the larger picture surrounding WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, Russiagate, and the establishment’s desperate attempts to prevent the latter from falling apart....  Julian Assange could provide proof that the DNC emails and Podesta emails published by WikiLeaks were not sourced from Russia, or backed by the Kremlin, all without disclosing the identity of the source. ...
Disobedient Media recently spoke with former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney, a co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, who was featured in Campbell’s article.
Binney told us that he stands by the assessment made in the VIPS memorandum to President Trump, published last year. He told us that Duncan misrepresented his statements describing Guccifer 2.0 as a fabrication. While speaking with us, Binney utterly refuted Campbell’s dishonest portrayal of Binney having changed his stance on the issue.
Binney told this author that he referred specifically to Guccifer 2.0 as a fabrication, adding that it doesn’t matter where the information was downloaded, or when, or that the information was manipulated, because the point is that it was not hacked, and the who/where does not alter that fact. He said that Guccifer 2.0 was: “Clearly a fabrication, a fake, put out there to confuse. Timing is irrelevant, fake is fake. You can manipulate timing, you can change anything, but it doesn’t matter. It makes no difference.”
He added: “We [VIPS members] were calling it fake from the beginning, and we still do.”
Binney told us: “We agreed it was a download, not a hack, the whole thing was a set up – we can’t prove who is responsible or where they were located, but that is irrelevant because it was still a download, not a hack, which tells us that the Guccifer 2.0 persona was a fabrication.” "

https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/08/opinion-on-the-latest-establishment-attack-launched-against-wikileaks-independent-media/
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« Reply #558 on: August 03, 2018, 03:52:54 PM »
The above is nonsense, and we've discussed these issues here before.
You can't conclude anything from time zone stamps, because they can be set, reset, forgotten to be set--to any time zone on any computer.

Time stamps to the second can indicate something about transfer speed--but not at which step of transfer.  Initial access speeds may not be what's reflected here, but transfer speeds at some later step in the cascade of transfers prior to publication.  No conclusions can be drawn.  This kind of metadata is useless for forensic purposes.

No, Assange cannot possibly say the files were not from Russia.  He can only say who he got the files from, not where that person obtained them.

The VIPS report is garbage.  The Mueller indictment is the most authoritative public information about Guccifer 2.0.

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« Reply #559 on: August 03, 2018, 04:55:27 PM »
The above is nonsense, and we've discussed these issues here before.
You can't conclude anything from time zone stamps, because they can be set, reset, forgotten to be set--to any time zone on any computer.

Time stamps to the second can indicate something about transfer speed--but not at which step of transfer.  Initial access speeds may not be what's reflected here, but transfer speeds at some later step in the cascade of transfers prior to publication.  No conclusions can be drawn.  This kind of metadata is useless for forensic purposes.

No, Assange cannot possibly say the files were not from Russia.  He can only say who he got the files from, not where that person obtained them.

The VIPS report is garbage.  The Mueller indictment is the most authoritative public information about Guccifer 2.0.

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« Reply #560 on: August 03, 2018, 05:31:18 PM »
Ditto Steve MDFP.....

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« Reply #561 on: August 03, 2018, 05:51:07 PM »

So it's easy to say The above is nonsense, and The VIPS report is garbage which is fine to do, however it would be wise to also remember that there is NO EVIDENCE contained in those Indictments.

Depends on what you call evidence.  If a blogger states a number of facts and conclusions, and it's all fabricated bogus crap, he faces no consequences.

A prosecutor is an officer of the court.  If a prosecutor states a number of facts and conclusions, and it's all fabricated bogus crap, he faces possible disbarment and disgrace, personal ruin.  Possibly criminal charges.

So who are you going to believe?  Highly detailed, specific information from a highly credible source, stated under oath (or equivalent) is evidence, in most people's book.

Consider that Mueller's investigation is not just a criminal investigation, but *also* a national security investigation.  He has access to everything in the national security system.  We all know the NSA hoovers up most internet traffic, even stuff that doesn't pass into the US.  This information is confidential, but relevant data can be selectively declassified for purposes of criminal prosecution.    Mueller has assured the court that he's prepared to present evidence referred to in the indictment.  There's no higher level of proof that can be public.

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« Reply #562 on: August 03, 2018, 06:59:24 PM »
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Which is why is such fun for VIPS & Binney to say what they say, and Campbell to say what he says and the FBI to say what they say whilst assuming (rightly) those Indictments would never ever go to TRIAL anyway. :)
 

Why not? Russia might have an incentive to assign a defence lawyer and let this go to the court, assuming that GRU/Russian state is innocent and can provide counter evidence to Mueller´s allegations. If so happens, Mueller would have to provide his evidence.
If Russia doesn't reply/defends itself, the World will conclude that Mueller's allegations are correct, and GRU were indeed hacking DNC etc.

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« Reply #563 on: August 03, 2018, 11:32:05 PM »
The 'chickens are coming home to roost' for Manafort and his double life:

Title: "Manafort trial day 4: Accountant concedes possible wrongdoing, Manafort's double life"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/03/paul-manafort-trial-2018-761300

Extract: "'They never told us about any income deposited in foreign accounts,' Manafort's accountant told jurors."

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Title: "Manafort Trial Day 4: Tax Fraud And Bookkeepers"

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/03/635065314/manafort-trial-day-4-bank-fraud-and-bookkeepers
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« Reply #564 on: August 04, 2018, 04:43:45 AM »
If Russia doesn't reply/defends itself, the World will conclude that Mueller's allegations are correct, and GRU were indeed hacking DNC etc.

Well, here is a pre-view of how Russia is responding to Mueller's indictments.
They are not arguing the case itself, but going for the full Monty :

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Lawyers for a Russian company accused of financing a massive political influence operation in the United States urged a federal judge Friday to “be brave” and declare special counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment invalid.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/03/russian-company-mueller-probe-be-brave-761787

The concerning thing is that the judge (a Trump-appointee) actually considered that argument which involves overruling a Supreme Court decision from the Watergate era.
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« Reply #565 on: August 04, 2018, 06:19:36 AM »
A Russian Company isn't "Russia" anymore than Exxon Mobil is the "United States." Try harder to not conflate things that shouldn't be conflated. Context matters.

Next time Exxon Mobil interferes in the Russian elections, and then argues in front of Russian courts that the Russian prosecutor should not have been appointed, you let me know.
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« Reply #566 on: August 04, 2018, 07:14:45 AM »
Documents Reveal Steele Was Admonished in February, 2016 by the FBI

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today the FBI turned over 70 pages of heavily redacted records about Christopher Steele,

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-records-show-dossier-author-deemed-not-suitable-for-use-as-source-show-several-fbi-payments-in-2016/

So a valuable and compensated FBI intelligence source blabbed to someone that he was an FBI source.  The FBI reacted appropriately. 
What's notable is the over-the-top spin on this.  There's no corruption in this scenario.

The source, an extreme right-wing site is worth examining:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/

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« Reply #567 on: August 04, 2018, 07:39:45 AM »
Re: "11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February, 2016."

Mmm. Steele getting paid by FBI and Simpson/FusionGPS . Meanwhile Simpson getting paid first by Trump opponent in Republican primary  and then by Perkins-Coie/Democrats. And all the time Simpson/FusionGPS is getting paid by Prevezon/Veselnitskaya against Browder/Magnitsky. And Simpson details Bauer,  one of those working on Prevezon case to work with Steele. Without even bringing up Shearer/Blumenthal/Nuland/Finer/Winer at State or Ohr at FBI whose wife worked for Simpson.

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« Reply #568 on: August 04, 2018, 07:58:21 AM »
So was it the Hillary Campaign, the DNC or the DCCC that were colluding with Kremlin Insiders through Chris Steele's  foreign corporation who were being paid to conspire with Perkins - Cole to subvert the will of the American Public and meddle with the outcome of an American Presidential Election?
Is Mr Mueller investigating any of this?

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« Reply #569 on: August 04, 2018, 08:05:26 AM »
The documents show at least 11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February, 2016. 

Yellow flag going up right there. If Steele was 'admonished' by the FBI in Feb 2016, did these supposed 11 FBI payments in 2016 all took place in January 2016 ? Sounds unlikely.

Since 'judicialwatch.org has the documents under login, there is no way for us to check the accuracy of these unlikely statements.

More about 'judicialwatch.org :
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judicial_Watch

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Judicial Watch is an "associate" member of the State Policy Network, a web of right-wing “think tanks” in every state across the country.[2]

SPN is a web of right-wing “think tanks” and tax-exempt organizations in 49 states, Puerto Rico, Washington, D.C., Canada, and the United Kingdom. As of June 2018, SPN's membership totals 156. It is an $83 million right-wing empire as of the 2011 funding documents from SPN itself and each of its state "think tank" members. Although SPN's member organizations claim to be nonpartisan and independent, the Center for Media and Democracy's in-depth investigation, "EXPOSED: The State Policy Network -- The Powerful Right-Wing Network Helping to Hijack State Politics and Government," reveals that SPN and its member think tanks are major drivers of the right-wing, American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)-backed corporate agenda in state houses nationwide, with deep ties to the Koch brothers and the national right-wing network of funders.[3]

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Founded in 1994 by Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch (JW) is an American conservative activist group that files Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits to investigate alleged misconduct by government officials. They primarily target Democrats such as the Clinton’s, Obama and climate scientists as they label climate science, “fraud science.”

Just so we know what kind of folks we are dealing with here.
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« Reply #570 on: August 04, 2018, 08:35:09 AM »
So was it the Hillary Campaign, the DNC or the DCCC that were colluding with Kremlin Insiders through Chris Steele's  foreign corporation who were being paid to conspire with Perkins - Cole to subvert the will of the American Public and meddle with the outcome of an American Presidential Election?
Is Mr Mueller investigating any of this?

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We've been over this.  There's nothing improper about any campaign hiring Fusion to conduct opposition research.  There's nothing improper about Fusion hiring Steele for this work. 

On the other hand, a foreign government acting to advance one candidate by covert means is criminal. Anyone in the Trump campaign complicit in this effort is a criminal.

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« Reply #571 on: August 04, 2018, 08:40:46 AM »

Besides, why does the motivation of whoever sought the FOI access make any difference to the actual content in said documents? Are you suggesting some kind of "corruption" going on here just because it is a conservative leaning group? 

I presume the  statements of  fact from the JudicialWatch report as presented here are accurate.  The spin is what I was commenting on.  Nothing presented supports any conclusion of "corruption" by Steele or the FBI. The ridiculous spin on the presented facts is a reflection of the  extreme right-wing bias of  JudicialWatch.

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« Reply #572 on: August 04, 2018, 04:47:14 PM »
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Which is why is such fun for VIPS & Binney to say what they say, and Campbell to say what he says and the FBI to say what they say whilst assuming (rightly) those Indictments would never ever go to TRIAL anyway. :)
 

Why not? Russia might have an incentive to assign a defence lawyer and let this go to the court, assuming that GRU/Russian state is innocent and can provide counter evidence to Mueller´s allegations. If so happens, Mueller would have to provide his evidence.
If Russia doesn't reply/defends itself, the World will conclude that Mueller's allegations are correct, and GRU were indeed hacking DNC etc.

A good movie script perhaps, but that's all. Why assume Russia gives a toss about what the World will conclude, anymore than the US doesn't care what the World thinks / concludes about it's actions and inaction?

Because of the sensational claim by Mueller that the Russian state actually meddled in US politics, and names individual GRU operatives, and what the individuals where doing. It's kind of binary here, either it was the Russian state, or it wasn't. Would be easy for Russia to demonstrate its innocence, if innocent, given the great detail of Mueller's allegations.
If they don't try do defend themselves, they are guilty in my eyes.

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« Reply #573 on: August 04, 2018, 06:00:31 PM »
Where there is smoke, there is fire:

Title: "Russian Agent Maria Butina and Ex-Trump Campaign Aid Spoke Before Election: Report"

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-aid-spoke-russian-spy-election-1057201

Extract: "Former director of national security for the Trump campaign J.D. Gordon was in contact with the National Rifle Association activist charged with conspiracy to act as a Russian spy, Maria Butina, in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election.

The two exchanged emails in September and October 2016 where Gordon invited her to a music concert by the rock band Styx in Washington, D.C., and to his birthday party in late October, according to documents, emails and testimony provided to the Senate Intelligence Committee and described to The Washington Post.

An attorney for Butina, Robert Driscoll, told Newsweek in an email Saturday, “As I told the Post, they had inconsequential social interactions after they met at a party. No big deal.”"

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« Reply #574 on: August 09, 2018, 07:50:56 AM »
The Manafort trial is bizarre.

The judge (Ellis) appears to be openly hostile against the prosecution, accusing them of having "tears in their eyes", inserting his own opinions/statements ("having money is not a crime"), disallowing evidence, rushing them to wrap up their case and commenting on behalf of defense.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/manafort-trial-mueller-gates-ellis-768715

In the end, all that matters is what the jury thinks.

And regarding trials under judge Ellis, the only comfort we have at this point is this remark by Rossi (a former assistant U.S. attorney who has made many appearances before Ellis) :

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“When an attorney makes it through his trial, the experience is like boot camp on Parris Island,” Rossi said. “But at the end of the day in my seven trials, the jury was not swayed by his demeanor and comments.”

Who decides which judge is presiding over any particular case, anyway ?
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« Reply #575 on: August 09, 2018, 10:45:46 PM »
Wikileaks reports that the Senate Intelligence committee wants Assange to testify in election interference probe:

"The organization posted a letter on its Twitter account dated Aug. 1 that purports to come from committee leaders Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.) requesting that he make himself available “for a closed door interview with bipartisan Committee staff at a mutually agreeable time and location.” "

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/400882-wikileaks-says-senate-panel-requested-assange-testimony-in-russia-probe

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« Reply #576 on: August 09, 2018, 11:41:21 PM »
Mueller has identified Hope Hicks as a witness in his investigation of Donald Trump, thus Team Trump's pressuring of Hicks to join the Trump 2020 campaign constitutes witness tampering:

Title: "Trump officials pushing Hope Hicks to join 2020 campaign: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401130-trump-officials-pushing-hope-hicks-to-join-2020-campaign-report

Extract: "Members of the administration are urging former White House communications director Hope Hicks to join President Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign, just months after she left the White House, Politico reported Thursday."
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« Reply #577 on: August 10, 2018, 12:30:41 AM »
I believe that Nunes should be investigated by Mueller for obstruction of justice:

Title: "Captured on a Secret Recording, Devin Nunes Says the Quiet Part Out Loud"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/devin-nunes-2018-midterm-election-impeachment#~o

Extract: "Behind closed doors, Trump’s allies acknowledge that the election is about protecting the president from impeachment."
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« Reply #578 on: August 10, 2018, 02:59:20 AM »
Mueller moves to conceal Trump related testimony:

" “Disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation,” the filing states. “The government’s interest in protecting the confidentiality of its ongoing investigations is compelling and justifies sealing the limited portion of the sidebar.” "

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html

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« Reply #579 on: August 10, 2018, 03:44:31 AM »
Mueller moves to conceal Trump related testimony:

" “Disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation,” the filing states. “The government’s interest in protecting the confidentiality of its ongoing investigations is compelling and justifies sealing the limited portion of the sidebar.” "

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html

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Mueller is a nasty piece of work. Leaks like a sieve when it harms his opponent, then cries for confidentiality when his witness is cross examined.
If Gates testimony can't be questioned without divulging state secrets he should never have been called to testify.
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« Reply #580 on: August 10, 2018, 03:48:23 AM »
Mueller moves to conceal Trump related testimony:

" “Disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation,” the filing states. “The government’s interest in protecting the confidentiality of its ongoing investigations is compelling and justifies sealing the limited portion of the sidebar.” "

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html

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Mueller is a nasty piece of work. Leaks like a sieve when it harms his opponent, then cries for confidentiality when his witness is cross examined.
If Gates testimony can't be questioned without divulging state secrets he should never have been called to testify.
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Mueller hasn't been leaking.  He's run a very tight ship.
What's been sealed here isn't testimony at all.  It was part of a "side bar," among the judge, prosecution, and defense.  No evidence withheld at all.

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« Reply #581 on: August 10, 2018, 06:42:36 AM »
Agree, sidebar is not testimony and the article I cited did not say that. Mea culpa.

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« Reply #582 on: August 10, 2018, 08:53:38 AM »
As I read the article Mueller's team is restricting the cross examination of their witness. Sealing the sidebar can't effect the jury, so the judge's attempt to sidestep political considerations is mute.
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« Reply #583 on: August 10, 2018, 03:32:02 PM »
Once Manafort is convicted, I believe that we will see an increase of the rate of indictments from Mueller in August, beginning with Roger Stone:

Title: " Mueller to subpoena Roger Stone-Wikileaks connection: report"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/401184-mueller-to-subpoena-roger-stone-associate-report

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller will reportedly soon issue a subpoena targeting Randy Credico, the associate of informal Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone who was his alleged connection to Wikileaks during the 2016 election, to force an interview with his office.

MSNBC's Ari Melber reported Thursday afternoon on his show, "The Beat with Ari Melber," that Mueller's office had "indicated" it planned to subpoena Credico and force an interview. The special counsel investigation continues to target associates of Stone, a longtime adviser and friend of President Trump."
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« Reply #584 on: August 10, 2018, 03:47:57 PM »
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Once Manafort is convicted, I believe that we will see an increase of the rate of indictments from Mueller in August,

Manafort and Cohen have some serious decisions to make ..... SOON. Cohen is the more likely of the two "to flip".  He is much younger than Manafort, young kids, etc.  More to lose.  But either one or both COULD flip.  Or neither could flip (I don't think that is likely however).  And Manafort may decide, if he gets a seriously long sentence in his first trial ...... that he wants to flip before his SECOND TRIAL which is slated to start on September 17th.  Decisions  ..... decisions ..... decisions.

We still aren't to the "juicy" part of the Mueller investigation YET.   That is where the indictments for some of Donnie's administration AND Congressmen start coming.  THAT ..... will turn up the heat a bit.

Donnie was able to make it past the "first signpost":  Yesterday marked the same time that it took Nixon to step down from office.  So at least Donnie has made it past Tricky Dick's time from his inauguration (second inauguration) to the time he is out of office.

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« Reply #585 on: August 11, 2018, 07:11:38 PM »
Did Team Trump agent Peter Smith pay a 'dark web' hacker to try to steal HRC's emails?

Title: "Peter Smith’s Search for Hillary Clinton’s Emails: The Subplot Thickens"

https://www.lawfareblog.com/peter-smiths-search-hillary-clintons-emails-subplot-thickens

Extract: "There’s a new twist in one of the stranger subplots of L’Affaire Russe. Buzzfeed News reports that Peter Smith, a Republican operative who reportedly sought to obtain missing Hillary Clinton emails during the 2016 presidential campaign, made several suspicious withdrawals from bank accounts during the timeframe of his quest for Clinton’s emails—suggesting that he may have paid people he believed were Russian hackers.

What’s more, the article, by reporters Anthony Cormier and Jason Leopold, suggests that the transactions are of active interest to the Mueller investigation. The special counsel indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers for hacking Democratic emails less than a month ago—and that action against the GRU officers raised questions about whether anyone on this side of the Atlantic might be part of the conspiracy Special Counsel Robert Mueller has alleged against these Russians. To have the FBI and Mueller now unearthing Peter Smith’s financial transactions that may have involved people Smith believed to be Russian hackers raises a number of interesting questions about Mueller’s understanding of the scope of the conspiracy he has charged."
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« Reply #586 on: August 11, 2018, 07:30:53 PM »
Once Manafort is convicted, I believe that we will see an increase of the rate of indictments from Mueller in August, beginning with Roger Stone:

Title: " Mueller to subpoena Roger Stone-Wikileaks connection: report"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/401184-mueller-to-subpoena-roger-stone-associate-report

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller will reportedly soon issue a subpoena targeting Randy Credico, the associate of informal Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone who was his alleged connection to Wikileaks during the 2016 election, to force an interview with his office.

MSNBC's Ari Melber reported Thursday afternoon on his show, "The Beat with Ari Melber," that Mueller's office had "indicated" it planned to subpoena Credico and force an interview. The special counsel investigation continues to target associates of Stone, a longtime adviser and friend of President Trump."

Another "beat up"? No reason to "force an interview by subpoena" when all Mueller's team has to do is make a phone call and or go see Credico and ask their questions and listen to the answers. It's not rocket science. 

Seriously this is another Nothing Burger ... there should be a Felony charge of being "a dick" -- because that fits Roger Stone to a T. :)

Given that Stone has publically threatened Credico's dog; it appears likely that Mueller is providing protection to Credico from Stone and that the subpoena just provides Credico with cover so that he does not appear publically to be a rat against Team Trump:

Title: "Comedian Randy Credico says Trump adviser Roger Stone threatened his dog"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/comedian-randy-credico-says-trump-adviser-roger-stone-threatened-dog-135911370.html

New York City comic and ex-radio host Randy Credico says that longtime Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone sent him “scary,” obscenity-filled emails — including one threatening his dog — after he went public disputing Stone’s claim that Credico was his “backchannel” to WikiLeaks during the 2016 presidential campaign.

In a new interview on the Yahoo News podcast “Skullduggery,” Credico shared with co-hosts Daniel Klaidman and Michael Isikoff email messages he said he had received from Stone in just the last few days.

“You are a rat. You are a stoolie. You backstab your friends — run your mouth my lawyers are dying Rip you to shreds,” one of them read.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/comedian-randy-credico-says-trump-adviser-roger-stone-threatened-dog-135911370.html
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« Reply #587 on: August 12, 2018, 01:37:29 AM »
Still more evidence for Mueller to use to support his likely charge of obstruction of justice against The Donald:

Title: "Trump heightens attacks on Sessions: He's 'scared stiff and missing in action'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-heightens-attacks-on-sessions-hes-scared-stiff-and-missing-in-action/ar-BBLNBRV?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "President Trump ratcheted up his attacks on Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Saturday, tweeting that Sessions was "scared stiff" and "Missing in Action" in defending him amid special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Trump slammed Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer at the center of the Trump dossier scandal, and the Department of Justice (DOJ) and once again slammed Mueller's investigation as a "witch hunt."

"The big story that the Fake News Media refuses to report is lowlife Christopher Steele's many meetings with Deputy A.G. Bruce Ohr and his beautiful wife, Nelly. It was Fusion GPS that hired Steele to write the phony & discredited Dossier, paid for by Crooked Hillary & the DNC," Trump tweeted.

"Do you believe Nelly worked for Fusion and her husband STILL WORKS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF 'JUSTICE.' I have never seen anything so Rigged in my life. Our A.G. is scared stiff and Missing in Action. It is all starting to be revealed - not pretty. IG Report soon? Witch Hunt!" he wrote."
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« Reply #588 on: August 12, 2018, 02:37:23 AM »
Because this stuff is a beat up. Credico is not terrified Stone is going to kill his dog. OK?

Threats were made.  How do you know Credico is not concerned about them?

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« Reply #589 on: August 12, 2018, 08:23:39 AM »
The more talk about Stone, the happier Stone is.

And yes, it is a with hunt, but Trump is a witch. If the witch is brought down, it will cast a spell that will haunt for a long time to come. If the witch isn't brought down, its magical powers will increase in power. Better to neutralise the magic.
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« Reply #590 on: August 13, 2018, 04:18:49 AM »

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« Reply #591 on: August 13, 2018, 04:54:12 PM »
Mueller is on a roll and is picking-up momentum:

Title: "U.S. judge says Mueller case against Russian company can proceed"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-concord/u-s-judge-says-mueller-case-against-russian-company-can-proceed-idUSKBN1KY1K4

Extract: "A U.S. judge on Monday refused to dismiss charges against a Russian company accused of helping fund a propaganda operation to sway the 2016 presidential election in Donald Trump’s favor, saying Special Counsel Robert Mueller had not exceeded his power."
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« Reply #592 on: August 13, 2018, 05:13:54 PM »
Omarosa reportedly turned down an offer to receive $15,000/month to sign an NDA; however, Keith Schiller (Trump's former bodyguard) is receiving $15,000/month from the RNC; which might be hush money as Schiller was providing security for Trump at the Miss Universe contest in Moscow when Putin allegedly obtained the Pee Pee Tape in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel:

Title: "Omarosa Manigault Says She Refused Hush Money After Leaving Trump’s White House"

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/08/omarosa-manigault-says-she-refused-hush-money-afte.html#

Extract: "First, ace Washington Post White House reporter Josh Dawsey confirmed some claims she made in her upcoming book, Unhinged: An Insider’s Account of the Trump White House. The Daily Beast reported earlier this week that Manigault secretly taped some conversations she had in the White House. Dawsey listened to those tapes, and he reported that they match quotes that Omarosa includes in her book. Dawsey went on to describe Omarosa’s unverified contention that she was offered $15,000 per month to stay quiet …

The other piece of evidence buttressing Omarosa’s claim is that there is a former Trump administration official currently making $15,000 per month who is not speaking to the media. Per Christina Wilkie at CNBC back in February:

When President Donald Trump’s longtime bodyguard Keith Schiller decided to leave his White House job last fall, many in the West Wing wondered how the president would manage without his personal security chief-turned-confidant, who had been working for Trump nearly 20 years.

As it turns out, Schiller didn’t go very far. Within weeks of leaving his job as director of Oval Office operations, Schiller’s private security firm, KS Global Group, began collecting $15,000 a month for “security services” from the Republican National Committee.

According to an RNC official, Schiller is being paid for security consulting on the site selection process for the 2020 Republican National Convention. Schiller’s fee comes out of the RNC’s convention fund, not its campaign fund, the official noted."
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« Reply #593 on: August 13, 2018, 06:15:07 PM »
More then likely the Mueller hammer is about to come-down on Stone.  It will be interesting to see whether he flips to save his own skin:

Title: "Is Roger Stone Mueller's next target?"

https://mic.com/articles/190704/this-week-in-trump-russia-news-is-roger-stone-muellers-next-target

Extract: "Stone has long been under the microscope in the Russia investigation.

He has already admitted to communicating with Guccifer 2.0, a fictitious online persona through which documents stolen from the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic Party were disseminated in 2016.

He has also apparently claimed to have been briefed by Julian Assange on stolen Clinton and Democratic Party documents WikiLeaks had obtained before the group made them public.


But he’s appeared to be under even more scrutiny since Mueller indicted a dozen Russians last month over the Kremlin’s election meddling.

The July indictment made reference to an unnamed person who had been in contact with both the Russians and top Trump campaign officials — someone Stone said is “probably” him.

That indictment also contained a reference to an organization that released some documents stolen by the Russians, which is believed to be a reference to WikiLeaks, with whom Stone and others in Trump’s orbit were reportedly in contact.

The special counsel seems to be closely examining Stone as part of the investigation."
     
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« Reply #594 on: August 13, 2018, 06:18:12 PM »
And conman Stone loves every second of it.
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« Reply #595 on: August 13, 2018, 07:42:14 PM »
Per the linked article Trump's legal team now insists that Trump never had a conversation with Comey that Comey should go easy on Flynn; however, previously Giuliani conceded that this conversation did occur.  Should Trump eventually refuse to sit down for an interview with Mueller; then Mueller could use Giuliani's flip-flop of positions on this conversation about Flynn as justification for a subpoena to force Trump to clarify this matter:

Title: "Giuliani: Mueller could have decision on Trump interview this week"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/13/rudy-giuliani-trump-mueller-interview-decision-774872

Extract: "Giuliani has at times suggested he would advise the president against sitting down with Mueller, warning that such an interview could be a "perjury trap."The former New York mayor also has indicated that Trump would not answer questions related to obstruction of justice, although he told POLITICO last week that questions on obstruction of justice are still on the table, but only if Mueller “can demonstrate to us he’s got a couple questions on obstruction that he doesn’t have the answer to, that he really needs the answer to and he hasn’t made up his mind that Trump is lying.”

In his Fox News interview Monday morning, Giuliani outlined the three-pronged defense that the president's legal team would use against obstruction allegations: that the conversation Comey has claimed never actually occurred — even though Giuliani previously conceded that it did — but also that the statement Comey claims Trump made would have been a recommendation, not an order, and that even if it was an order, it would not constitute obstruction because it would have been within Trump's authority as the head of the executive branch."
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« Reply #596 on: August 13, 2018, 07:54:57 PM »
FBI agent Peter Strzok, who became a central figure in controversy surrounding investigations into alleged Russian meddling and Hillary Clinton’s private email server, has been fired, his attorney has said.

Attached is a statement by Strzok's lawyer indicating that the FBI did not follow their own standard procedures when firing Strzok against the recommendation of the career FBI official responsible for employee discipline and against the Congressional testimony of FBI Director Wray.  This strongly suggests that the Administration's firing of Strzok is yet another example of witness tampering, by trying to discredit the credibility of a likely witness for the Mueller investigation.
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« Reply #597 on: August 13, 2018, 11:01:36 PM »
That lawyer statement is full of Scheiße, as they say over here. Intelligence agencies should be as a-political as possible. There are enough idiots who think they're on a team as it is.
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« Reply #598 on: August 13, 2018, 11:11:05 PM »
Leaks like a sieve

Mueller hasn't been leaking.  He's run a very tight ship.
Heard this "sieve" thing before. From which disinfo/propaganda channel is it parroted?
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« Reply #599 on: August 13, 2018, 11:17:10 PM »
That lawyer statement is full of Scheiße, as they say over here. Intelligence agencies should be as a-political as possible. There are enough idiots who think they're on a team as it is.
The last sentence, perhaps, yes. Of course, as an implicit Trumputin backer you hate Strzok. But from his congressional testimony it became quite clear that this was a first class public servant - not the figure concocted by Trumputin propaganda channels.
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