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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #950 on: September 01, 2018, 03:49:02 PM »
Linked is a document (from the Vox documentcloud) of Papadopoulous' sentencing memorandum:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4807546-Papadopoulos-defense-sentencing-memo.html

Among other newly revealed information this document notes that Papadopoulos says Trump "nodded with approval" when he was told Papadopoulos was a Kremlin intermediary. And Sessions "liked the idea." That means Sessions lied to Congress.

Edit, see also:

Title: "Papadopoulos claims candidate Trump gave nod of ‘approval’ to planning meeting with Putin"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404665-papadopoulos-claims-candidate-trump-gave-nod-of-approval-to-planning

Extract: "A former campaign aide accused of lying to the FBI said that then-candidate Donald Trump “nodded with approval” at his suggestion of setting up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin."
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« Reply #951 on: September 01, 2018, 05:13:03 PM »
The linked analysis should make many Team Trump members (including Don Jr) nervous, as there is plenty of evidence that they lied to Congress:

Title: "Lobbyist Admits Lying To Congress in Guilty Plea Foreshadowing Others"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2018/08/31/lobbyist-admits-lying-to-congress-in-guilty-plea/#143c203321ff

Extract: "A Washington lobbyist pled guilty Friday to charges including lying to, and obstructing, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation. It may be the first charges citing the Senate’s Russia probe, and thereby foreshadows a potential host of charges to come.

Samuel Patten, a Washington lobbyist, made a plea and cooperation agreement. The core charge was that he helped steer foreign money to the Trump inaugural. However, the charging document spanned several areas. Patten lied about inauguration tickets to the Senate committee in January. While testifying, he tried to hide his connections to a Ukrainian oligarch, and a Russian national, with whom he worked.

Of course, the Senate is currently majority Republican. Although it has notable accomplishments, it cannot go further than Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will let it. Moreover, other Senate committees have not been given the room to go that Senate Intelligence has. I was a witness before one Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing chaired by Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).  He was gracious to invite me and listened to what I had to say about how Congress could investigate at the same time as the Justice Department. He was sophisticated about these matters and, if allowed, would do a good job. But, I was told privately that the Senate leadership kept Graham on a “short leash.

If the House becomes Democratic after the November midterm election, there would no doubt be a number of House investigations. These might well look into the Russia matter and its diverse aspects, the policies of the Trump administration, or both.

Then Sam Patten would be a harbinger. Other Trump figures would face the same dilemma he did: tell the truth or face the consequences.”
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #952 on: September 02, 2018, 01:12:26 AM »
Linked is a document (from the Vox documentcloud) of Papadopoulous' sentencing memorandum:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4807546-Papadopoulos-defense-sentencing-memo.html

Among other newly revealed information this document notes that Papadopoulos says Trump "nodded with approval" when he was told Papadopoulos was a Kremlin intermediary. And Sessions "liked the idea." That means Sessions lied to Congress.

Edit, see also:

Title: "Papadopoulos claims candidate Trump gave nod of ‘approval’ to planning meeting with Putin"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404665-papadopoulos-claims-candidate-trump-gave-nod-of-approval-to-planning

Extract: "A former campaign aide accused of lying to the FBI said that then-candidate Donald Trump “nodded with approval” at his suggestion of setting up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin."

To be clear this sentencing memo implies that Mueller believes (& has witnesses to support his belief) that in a meeting on March 31, 2016, Trump approved of Papadopoulos setting-up a back channel from the Trump campaign to Putin.  As Sessions was in the meeting (and was thus presumably a party to this conspiracy), this may very well mean that Sessions is already a cooperating witness to Mueller.
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #953 on: September 03, 2018, 09:27:58 PM »
China responds to allegations that they hacked Clinton's email server:

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 Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying ...

“Such allegations are nothing new,”

 Hua noted that cybersecurity is a global issue concerning the interests of all countries and must be protected by the international community, adding that those who care about cybersecurity will remember the PRISM program, the “Equation Group,” and the WannaCry ransomware, which ravaged computers systems worldwide and which was set off by some country busy designing offensive cyber weapons.

“China is a staunch champion of cyber security and firmly opposes and cracks down on all forms of cyber attacks and espionage activities,” she said. “China believes that the international community should jointly address threats to cyber security through dialogue and cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, equality and mutual benefit.”

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I read that carefully and i don't actually see a denial in there ...


http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0830/c90000-9495572.html


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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #954 on: September 03, 2018, 11:17:59 PM »
China responds to allegations that they hacked Clinton's email server:

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 Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying ...

“Such allegations are nothing new,”

 Hua noted that cybersecurity is a global issue concerning the interests of all countries and must be protected by the international community, adding that those who care about cybersecurity will remember the PRISM program, the “Equation Group,” and the WannaCry ransomware, which ravaged computers systems worldwide and which was set off by some country busy designing offensive cyber weapons.

“China is a staunch champion of cyber security and firmly opposes and cracks down on all forms of cyber attacks and espionage activities,” she said. “China believes that the international community should jointly address threats to cyber security through dialogue and cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, equality and mutual benefit.”

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I read that carefully and i don't actually see a denial in there ...


http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0830/c90000-9495572.html


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No denial, but there's this:
"The Chinese are favoring an AI assisting with the foreign policy because they feel that it will be free of passion, jealousy and other human emotions."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #955 on: September 05, 2018, 02:47:18 AM »
The sly fox is herding his prey ;):

Title: "How Robert Mueller Outfoxed Donald Trump"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-robert-mueller-outfoxed-donald-trump


Extract: "The special prosecutor quietly and subtly played the president, who even now has no real clue what Mueller and his zipped-lipped crew are up to.

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« Reply #956 on: September 05, 2018, 02:51:32 AM »
I have complete confidence in Mueller's likely game plan:

Title: "Mueller to accept some written answers from Trump: NYT"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/405054-mueller-to-accept-some-written-answers-from-trump-nyt

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller has reportedly agreed to accept some written answers from President Trump regarding whether Trump's 2016 campaign worked with Russia amid Russia's election interference."
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« Reply #957 on: September 07, 2018, 02:18:13 AM »
Setting up the McCabe-Comey matchup:

"[McCabe’s legal team] have disputed Comey’s account of his interactions with McCabe, asserting Comey knew McCabe was authorizing engagement with reporters. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/prosecutors-use-grand-jury-as-investigation-of-andrew-mccabe-intensifies/2018/09/06/aa922b2e-b137-11e8-9a6a-565d92a3585d_story.html

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #958 on: September 07, 2018, 09:32:34 AM »
It will be interesting if the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee can produce evidence that Kavanaugh actually did talk about Mueller with the law firm of Mark Kasowitz, who represents Donald Trump:

Title: "The Latest: Trump calls Dems at Kavanaugh hearing 'sick'"

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/politics/article/The-Latest-Kavanaugh-in-email-disputes-Roe-is-13209169.php

Extract: "Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh says he hasn't talked about special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation with White House officials. Nor has he discussed it, he says, with anyone at the law firm of Mark Kasowitz, who has represented President Donald Trump.

Democrats say they fear Kavanaugh would protect Trump if a dispute over the Russia probe reached the high court."
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« Reply #959 on: September 07, 2018, 03:53:35 PM »
Democrats say they fear...


That's not a healthy way to live. The only way Kav. can act is like the rest of the 8 SC judges. To make a case under the Constitution that sticks. He'll be swearing to "protect" the Constitution, not Trump and if he goes outside that there will be grounds for Impeachment of Kav.

What is there to fear except fear itself? Unless you're paranoid of course. If that's the case then one shouldn't be in the Senate on heath grounds. :)
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« Reply #961 on: September 08, 2018, 12:39:40 AM »
Kavanaugh looked like that guy in third grade who was trying to avoid a question about what happened to little Johnny’s homework, and Johnny didn’t want to answer the teacher.

Kavanaugh looked REALLY bad ..... and obviously he is hiding something.  It’s just a matter of whether we will find out what it is.  It looked like Kavanaugh strategy was to find any way possible to NOT answer the question.  When that didn’t work, he ultimately lied.

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« Reply #962 on: September 08, 2018, 06:28:34 AM »
Papa gets 2 weeks in pokey, 10K fine

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/papadopoulos-sentenced-14-days-jail-lying-fbi-mueller-probe-n907266

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Kind of proves Papadopoulos was a nothing burger.

Anyone mentioned again the report that Mifsud was interviewed by the FBI circa 10th Feb 2017 contrary to the Papa indictment claims they didn't - because Papa didn't give them correct info in January?

Anyone seen Mifsud or Steele lately? :)
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« Reply #963 on: September 08, 2018, 05:07:12 PM »
Did Putin order the murder of Joseph Mifsud?  We may never know.

Title: "DNC Lawyers Raise Prospect That Papadopoulos’s U.K. Contact May Be Dead"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-07/dnc-lawyers-raise-prospect-papadopoulos-u-k-contact-may-be-dead

Extract: " On the day Donald Trump’s former foreign-policy adviser George Papadopoulos was sentenced to two weeks in jail for lying to investigators about his contacts with a U.K. professor peddling dirt from Russian officials about Hillary Clinton, lawyers in an unrelated case raised the prospect the professor, Joseph Mifsud, may be dead.

The Democratic National Committee, which is suing Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks for interfering in the 2016 election, said in a court filing Friday that it believes all the defendants in the case have been served with the complaint, “with the exception of Mifsud (who is missing and may be deceased).” The lawyers didn’t elaborate."
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« Reply #964 on: September 08, 2018, 05:23:52 PM »
Papa gets 2 weeks in pokey, 10K fine

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/papadopoulos-sentenced-14-days-jail-lying-fbi-mueller-probe-n907266

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This relatively light sentence for a cooperating, first-time offender may very well open a floodgate of proffers from Trump's people (hopefully including Manafort) who want to come clean.  Who knows what dirt on Trump will be proffered for plea deals?
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« Reply #965 on: September 09, 2018, 06:24:03 AM »
I've mentioned this before - the FBI interviewed Mifsud in Feb 2017 - and it doesn't add up that they did then released him if he is who they now claim him to be.

Another interesting fact is - Papadopoulos' wife used to work for Mifsud in Europe before they were married. A prior direct personal connection between Mifsud & Papadopoulos unrelated to anything Trump or Russia.

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In Papers Saying Papadopoulos Lied, FBI Reveals It’s Either Lying Or Incompetent
To say that George Papadopoulos’ lies (or inaccurate memory of the events, as his wife puts it) prevented the FBI from questioning, detaining, or arresting Joseph Mifsud is unbelievable.

[...]

The FBI first interviewed Papadopoulos on January 27, 2017. Papadopoulos told FBI agents in that interview that Mifsud had told him the Russians had “dirt” on then-candidate Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.” Papadopoulos, however, also told the agents that at the time Mifsud shared this information, “I wasn’t even on the Trump team.”

But as noted above, Papadopoulos had joined the campaign as an advisor in March and Mifsud had relayed details about Russia the following month. Papadopoulos also told the FBI that Mifsud was “a nothing,” and that he thought Mifsud was “just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something,” while in fact, Papadopoulos thought Mifsud had high-level Russian connections. These two lies would eventually form the basis of the criminal charges Mueller filed against Papadopoulos and for which he now awaits sentencing.

Approximately two weeks later, the FBI interviewed Mifsud when, as the special counsel put it, “the FBI located him in Washington, D.C.” That shouldn’t have proven too difficult, given that Mifsud had flown to the United States to present at a conference sponsored by the State Department! Yet the FBI did not detain or arrest Mifsud, and the special counsel’s filing from last week represents the first public acknowledgment of the FBI’s February 2017 interview of Mifsud.

But in acknowledging that the FBI had interviewed Mifsud and released him, in the sentencing memorandum the special counsel implies that it was Papadopoulos’ lies that allowed Mifsud to leave the U.S. unscathed:

    The defendant’s lies to the FBI in January 2017 impeded the FBI’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Most immediately, those statements substantially hindered investigators’ ability to effectively question the Professor when the FBI located him in Washington, D.C. approximately two weeks after the defendant’s January 27, 2017 interview. The defendant’s lies undermined investigators’ ability to challenge the Professor or potentially detain or arrest him while he was still in the United States. The government understands that the Professor left the United States on February 11, 2017 and he has not returned to the United States since then. The defendant’s lies also hindered the government’s ability to discover who else may have known or been told about the Russians possessing ‘dirt’ on Clinton.

    Had the defendant told the FBI the truth when he was interviewed in January 2017, the FBI could have quickly taken numerous investigative steps to help determine, for example, how and where the Professor obtained the information, why the Professor provided the information to the defendant, and what the defendant did with the information after receiving it.

This Also Isn’t True

Mueller’s assertions, however, cannot be squared with the facts. First: in his January 2017 interview, Papadopoulos claimed that he was not part of the Trump campaign when Mifsud told him the Russians had “dirt” on Hillary. The FBI knew that statement was false, as demonstrated by the FISA application submitted in October 2016.

According to Rep. Adam Schiff’s memo, in the FISA application the DOJ informed the “court that the FBI initiated its counterintelligence investigation on July 31, 2016, after receiving information” concerning Papadopoulos. While Schiff’s memo redacted what Papadopoulos revealed, it expressly stated that the “individuals linked to Russia” informed Papadopoulos in late April 2016 of those details and that they “took interest in Papadopoulos as a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser.”

Also, as the government stated in its court filings, the Trump campaign publicly named Papadopoulos a foreign policy advisor on March 21, 2016. Under these circumstances, Papadopoulos’ first misstatement — that he was not yet working with the Trump campaign — could not possibly have “substantially hindered investigators’ ability to effectively question Mifsud.”


[ this is a well laid out article worth reading in full and saving - note the info regarding the Carter Page FISA warrant and the various timings of events including  FBI agent Peter Strzok , Downer and when the Crossfire Hurricane op started. ]

https://thefederalist.com/2018/08/20/papers-saying-papadopoulos-lied-fbi-fbi-shows-either-also-lying-incompetent/


also see
https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/30/professor-mifsud-trump-russia-email-fbi/

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/politics/joseph-mifsud-trump-russia-investigation/index.html 

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papadopoulos

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The Maltese Phantom of Russiagate - By Lee Smith, RealClearInvestigations
May 30, 2018
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While some news accounts describe Mifsud as an accomplice to Russian clandestine operations or a “cut-out” (intermediary), others contend he is a full-fledged Russian spy.

In an official report, Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence asserted that “in their approach to Papadopoulos, the Russians used common tradecraft and employed a cut-out,” a “Kremlin-linked…Maltese professor named Joseph Mifsud.”

No one in the American intelligence community has publicly challenged this description.

But there is one major problem with this story: No evidence has been presented to support the claim. Although Mifsud has traveled many times to Russia and has contacts with Russian academics, his closest public ties are to Western governments, politicians, and institutions, including the CIA, FBI and British intelligence services. One of Mifsud’s jobs has been to train diplomats, police officers, and intelligence officers at schools in London and Rome, where he lived and worked over the last dozen years.

[...]

If Mifsud truly is a Russian agent – which is key to the collusion narrative – he could prove to be one of the most promiscuous spies in modern history.
Western intelligence agencies and European politicians would have to spend the next few decades repairing the damage he did to global security by infiltrating key institutions and personnel. As of yet, however, there is no indication that any intelligence service has begun the embarrassing, but highly important, assessment of how it was penetrated and how it can re-fortify the vulnerabilities that Mifsud may have exposed. There has been no public effort to arrest him.

While most media accounts have simply repeated official claims that Mifsud is a sketchy character whose visits to Russia and academic contacts suggest he is working for Russian intelligence, a look at the available evidence challenges that narrative. It also raises the possibility that Mifsud, whose circles are tied to the Clintons, may, like another professor recently in the news, Stefan Halper, have actually been working for Western intelligence agencies.

Disappearance

Painting a full picture of Mifsud is difficult because after the 58-year-old professor was first identified by name in a Washington Post article in the weeks following Papadopoulos’ confession, he gave a few interviews to the international press, and then disappeared.

Rumors circulated in the press that the Kremlin-linked professor may have been recalled to Russia or was liquidated.

A new book by former colleagues of Mifsud’s – Stephan Roh, a 50-year-old Swiss-German lawyer, and Thierry Pastor, a 35-year-old French political analyst – reports that he is alive and well. Their account includes a recent interview with him.

Their self-published book, “The Faking of Russia-gate: The Papadopoulos Case, an Investigative Analysis,” includes a recent interview with Mifsud in which he denies saying anything about Clinton emails to Papadopoulos. Mifsud, they write, stated “vehemently that he never told anything like this to George Papadopoulos.” Mifsud asked rhetorically: “From where should I have this [information]?”

Mifsud’s account seems to be supported by Alexander Downer, the Australian diplomat who alerted authorities about Papadopoulos. As reported in the Daily Caller, Downer said Papadopoulos never mentioned emails; he spoke, instead, about the Russians possessing material that could be damaging to Clinton. This new detail raises the possibility that Mifsud, Papadopoulos’ alleged source for the information, never said anything about Clinton-related emails either.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html 

And a side bar. The Clinton Campaign had damaging information on Donald Trump. Where did they get that from? That came from Russians inside Russia via unknown conduits to Christopher Steele, a UK retired MI6 agent, via Lawyers and then to the DNC and Hillary Clinton.

[edit] That damaging information was released into the public domain - in Jan 2017 before Trumps inauguration -  and is well known to have damaged Donald Trump at the time , and is still hanging over his head. Comey also finally told Trump directly about this too in Jan 2017 - but not before. [/edit]

To this day there is no substantiating hard evidence any of that information is true or reliable or credible. It was published anyway and it was paid for ($30 million was it?) by the Clinton Campaign and/or her supporters.

This matter should be investigated as aggressively by a Special Prosecutor for the DoJ as the Trump Campaign has been. imo because there is "something rotten in Denmark." Though I seriously doubt the truth will never become known publicly - ever!

For it's as feasible that Christopher Steele could be everything that Mifsud is being accused of being. Steele could have been a "cut-out" figure used to pass on fake information about Donald Trump tot he Clinton campaign in an effort to discredit Clinton herself --- Trump pissing on girls in a Russian hotel bugged with video cameras - seriously. Where are the hundreds of other US babes who have gone public to confirm this was his his favorite trademark activity? Oh they are no where to be seen to date.

It's also quite feasible that Steele is and always has been a double agent working for the Russians on call. It happens. Steele had contacts with Skripal before and after he was outed as a Russian Double agent, jailed and then swapped in a deal with the west.

Steele could, as easily as Skripal could, be working for Russian Oligarchs and their Criminal Mafia Money laundering sub-groups. It's as easy to be a pro-Putin Oligarch as it is to be an anti-Putin Oligarch. As it is that Skripal was turned in the UK to go against those oligarch backed criminal groups that he may have been helping when still in Russian Intelligence.

Do you seriously believe the Russians, the Brits or the Americans or any of the Law enforcement agencies from Spain to France to Ukraine to Moscow to the FBI are just going to roll over and tell the nearest Journalist the Truth right now today? You believe you're hearing the truth from the American media and the FBI and Muellers team and the Congressional Committees about he Trump RussiaGate  investigation? Seriously?

Well think again: Gullible and Credulous are commonly used as synonyms. While both words mean "unduly trusting or confiding", gullibility stresses being duped or made a fool of, suggesting a lack of intelligence, whereas credulity stresses uncritically forming beliefs, suggesting a lack of skepticism.

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« Reply #966 on: September 09, 2018, 08:34:26 AM »
OK, I'll take just one part of this rant :

The Clinton Campaign had damaging information on Donald Trump. Where did they get that from? That came from Russians inside Russia via unknown conduits to Christopher Steele, a UK retired MI6 agent, via Lawyers and then to the DNC and Hillary Clinton.

That damaging information was released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign and is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time. That's undeniable.

Exactly which information from Steele was that that was "released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign" and "is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time" ?
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« Reply #967 on: September 09, 2018, 09:33:38 AM »
OK, I'll take just one part of this rant :

The Clinton Campaign had damaging information on Donald Trump. Where did they get that from? That came from Russians inside Russia via unknown conduits to Christopher Steele, a UK retired MI6 agent, via Lawyers and then to the DNC and Hillary Clinton.

That damaging information was released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign and is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time. That's undeniable.

Exactly which information from Steele was that that was "released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign" and "is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time" ?

Good pick up! Bugger.

I'm getting my timing wrong with that pussy grabbing tape. Sorry that was wrong -- "pee tape" info in the Steele Dossier was not released until January 2017 via Buzz Feed, ooooops. My mistake!

I also got it mixed up due to the dossiers presence on the DNC servers as per Mueller's indictment, which also scrambled my memory.

So I revise my comments to say "the pee tape dossier disclosure is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps Presidency at the time, and is still hanging over his head" because so many people including the media believe it must be true and very much want to believe it.

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« Reply #968 on: September 09, 2018, 07:08:31 PM »
We are getting closer to the truth (publicly speaking) about collusion/conspiracy, and I imagine that Mueller has a lot more evidence that cannot be revealed publicly just yet:

Title: "Papadopoulos: My testimony could help demonstrate collusion between Trump campaign and Russia"

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/405755-papadopoulos-my-testimony-may-help-demonstrate-trump-campaign?__twitter_impression=true

Extract: "Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos suggested Sunday that his testimony could help special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation toward demonstrating collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

See also:

Title: "Trump campaign members were 'fully aware' of efforts to set Putin meeting: Papadopoulos"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-papadopoulos-exclusive-interview-week/story?id=57694015

Extract: "George Papadopoulos, the one-time foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump who became swept up in the special counsel investigation, says members of the Trump campaign team were “fully aware” and in many cases supportive of his efforts to broker a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"I actively sought to leverage my contacts with the professor to host this meeting,” Papadopoulos told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos in an exclusive interview on "This Week" Sunday. "The campaign was fully aware what I was doing."
...
Stephanopoulos asked Papadopoulos about his meeting with the FBI in January 2017, at which time the former campaign aide said he was "of course" hopeful that he would get a job in the Trump administration.

"It was in that context on January 27, 2017 when you met with the FBI and lied to them about your meetings with [Maltese professor] Joseph Mifsud," Stephanopoulos said. "Why did you lie to them?"

"I found myself pinned between the Department of Justice and the sitting president and having probing questions that I thought might incriminate the sitting president," Papadopoulos said.

"You were trying to protect the president?" Stephanopoulos pressed.

"Of course," Papadopoulos responded."
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« Reply #969 on: September 10, 2018, 04:18:42 AM »
[rhetorical question]

Why would you consider let alone accept the interpretations and selected explanations of a young gullible naive (already proven) lying fool like Papadopoulos? Aside from the fact his reported comments neatly fit your existing beliefs and opinions about RussiaGate that is.

We're no where near getting closer to the truth and I doubt we ever will. People lie. Not just Papadopoulos.
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« Reply #970 on: September 10, 2018, 06:43:31 PM »
[rhetorical question]

Why would you consider let alone accept the interpretations and selected explanations of a young gullible naive (already proven) lying fool like Papadopoulos? Aside from the fact his reported comments neatly fit your existing beliefs and opinions about RussiaGate that is.

We're no where near getting closer to the truth and I doubt we ever will. People lie. Not just Papadopoulos.

Seth Abramson is not some young gullible naïve fool, and as a lawyer he thinks that there is already enough public evidence of collusion to convince a jury 'beyond a reasonable doubt':

Title: "Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America by Seth Abramson"

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/proof-of-collusion-seth-abramson/1129438460?ean=9781982116088

Extract: "For the first time, the full, explosive record of the unthinkable: how a U.S. president compromised American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance.

Looking back at this moment in history, historians will ask if Americans knew they were living through the first case of criminal conspiracy between an American presidential candidate turned commander in chief and a geopolitical enemy. The answer might be: it was hard to see the whole picture. The stories coming in from around the globe have often seemed fantastical: clandestine meetings in foreign capitals, secret recordings in a Moscow hotel, Kremlin agents infiltrating the Trump inner circle …

Seth Abramson has tracked every one of these far-flung reports and now in, Proof of Collusion, he finally gives us a record of the unthinkable—a president compromising American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance. The attorney, professor, and former criminal investigator has used his exacting legal mind and forensic acumen to compile, organize, and analyze every piece of the Trump-Russia story. His conclusion is clear: the case for collusion is staring us in the face. Drawing from American and European news outlets, he takes readers through the Trump-Russia scandal chronologically, putting the developments in context and showing how they connect. His extraordinary march through all the public evidence includes:

•   How Trump worked for thirty years to expand his real estate empire into Russia even as he was rescued from bankruptcy by Putin’s oligarchs and Kremlin agents
•   How Russian intelligence gathered compromising material on him over multiple trips
•   How Trump recruited Russian allies and business partners while running for president
•   How he surrounded himself with advisers who engaged in clandestine negotiations with Russia
•   How Trump aides and family members held secret meetings with foreign agents and lied about them

By pulling every last thread of this complicated story together, Abramson argues that—even in the absence of a Congressional investigation or a report from Special Counsel Mueller—the public record already indicates a quid pro quo between Trump and the Kremlin. The most extraordinary part of the case for collusion is that so much of it unfolded in plain sight."
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« Reply #971 on: September 11, 2018, 08:12:46 AM »
[rhetorical question]

Why would you consider let alone accept the interpretations and selected explanations of a young gullible naive (already proven) lying fool like Papadopoulos? Aside from the fact his reported comments neatly fit your existing beliefs and opinions about RussiaGate that is.

We're no where near getting closer to the truth and I doubt we ever will. People lie. Not just Papadopoulos.

Seth Abramson is not some young gullible naïve fool, and as a lawyer he thinks that there is already enough public evidence of collusion to convince a jury 'beyond a reasonable doubt':


You're very confused here. I don't give a toss what Seth Abramson thinks, believes or writes.

Please provide more than one reason why I or anyone should DEFER to a Seth Abramson to define our own values, beliefs, opinions, biases or the sources of information for a human being to rely upon?

Similarly I don't give a toss what Donald Trump thinks, believes, or says either. HIs opinions and beliefs do NOT define who I am nor what I believe and aspire to as a person. Any more than I give a toss what you think, believe or say ASLR, or Rob, or Hillary Clinton, or Obama or Neven.

Why do you not understand this basic element of humanity and instead believe that posting an article about a book written by a Seth Abramson would or could make a difference to me or anyone else?

It was posted before and I have perused Seth Abramson's opinions and history and his perspectives of whee he is coming from. Posting that content a hundred times over to me won't change anything.

Genuine change in beliefs, opinions and values can only ever come from the inside. Modern day cognitive science has created a revolution in understanding and knowledge in many quarters and well worth learning from and then applying in the real world in which we live.

One of the Truths it has confirmed using modern science is the story about the Three Little Pigs. Ponder that a few weeks and you may begin to finally understand me and why I say what I say here. :)

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« Reply #972 on: September 11, 2018, 09:25:48 AM »
A little bit of truth and wisdom can also be found in poetry

SIMON & GARFUNKEL "The Boxer"
I am just a poor boy.
Though my story's seldom told,
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles,
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.



Everyone is biased. I have no problem admitting I am biased. But what matters than this simple fact is knowing the difference that unconscious bias makes to people. And being aware of that not only regard others but within oneself.

So ASLR I can confidently say you're Biased. Yet if you or anyone takes that as an insult or an offense is a seriously misguided mistake. If anyone wishes to be free, really free, one must first learn to accept what is, is. Then take it from there.

Seth Abramson is biased. No less than his relatives who may live in the Jewish settlements of the West Bank. They're biased. Very biased. So are the Muslims living in Gaza no less. Like almost everyone else "a man hears what he wants to hear, And disregards the rest."

Isn't this where the scientific method comes into play? Gotta be a good thing right? Well science has been doing a great job in researching our climate and how it works - objectively based on the data, the evidence, peer-reviewing it, and telling the world about it. But this has not stopped people from writing contrary articles and books about that. We call them "deniers", yo know who they are and what they look like and sound like.

Guess what? Those denial activists are extremely biased. Maybe some are lying but I suspect most actually believe what they say is "true". You know I know they are ignoring the data and the evidence produced by objective science. They deny it. Still millions still chose to believe what these deniers publish in Books. They are really good at FRAMING the discussion in particular ways that fit a definable world view, of values and beliefs. You know that, I know that. Those who believe this crap do not. It's my best case analogy to show what UNCONSCIOUS BIAS looks like when you see it.

These activist deniers who write books are no different in essence than the Modus Operandi a Seth Abramson is in regard Bias, of Framing the terms of reference, of pushing their own values, of cherry-picking, of not providing a Full accounting of or a Complete coverage of all the facts all the data and all the evidence possible.  It's impossible to know how much of that is basic natural personal Bias and how much is founded upon Unconscious Bias Seth maybe affected by.

One can guess, and opine, but that amounts to nothing more than an unproven belief anyway. As such the value of projecting INTENTIONS onto others is a total waste of time. It's isn't scientific, it's merely more beliefs based on bias. And I may add that projecting Intentions onto to Seth, or me, and onto Trump himself is the very same thing = BS. We cannot know what we do not and cannot know.

If you understood the above about me and how I 'work', and many other things I have not bothered to mention, then you and everyone else would understand why it is so easy for me to dismiss Seth Abramson's prognostications about Trump, Putin and RussiaGate and see it for what it is - a self-serving low class pretense designed to make a $$$ from book sales by a Biased person who is not applying the Scientific method at all.

It's not an academic paper that's been peer-reviewed by competent professionals either. Do I really need to point this out? Um, yeah, apparently I do.

Well good for him. He's doing his bit for US GDP. And if people want to spend their money on Nothing Burgers like that or on supporting climate science deniers well it's a free world. Dumb people do dumb things all the time. Can't stop that.

Me, well I'm a little more skeptical than those kinds of people and do not ignore the likely underlying selfish motivations people might have to do what they do. :)

I don't know if you've ever noticed it in your life but I have often seen how biased people, especially how those compromised by entrenched unconscious bias (be it from church, society or their family or racial or national proclivities) tend to think and act. Modern day cognitive science and cutting edge psychology based on that explains most of these things really well. Still it is a challenge for everyone to remain totally Objective and purely Evidence based. Check it out.

It's also a big hint why AI is doomed to fail and not at all helpful long term. Because it's been shown repeatedly that Reason is 98% Subconscious Metaphor in Frames & Cultural Narratives. All thought is embodied. No one can think logically without the existence of their Emotional content at the same time.

Meaning that Truth is always Subjective and not Objective. It cannot be any other way. Given that proven Facts do not and cannot ever equal Truth. Life wasn't meant to be easy. Such is my biased opinion based on the well known scientific evidence. :)
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« Reply #973 on: September 11, 2018, 06:38:27 PM »
A quick followup comment response to Sidd and Terry. I went back to check previous material posted here and the suggestions you made. Took a while. Got my head around that Sy Hersh recording about seth rich etc and what was going on. I really havn't bee that interested in political shenanigans for a long time, at least not on a detail level that needs time. This kind of inquisitiveness surely sucks up time worth doing better things. One little minor factoid that arose was Downer contacted Papadopoulos to meet him for drinks. I didn't know that before. I thought it was an inconsequential meeting where they just bumped into each other and got chatting at some gathering. The devil is in the details again. I also got straight with Papa first meeting Mifsud in Italy and not in the UK, and of Papa being offered a paid speaking gig in the UK, again such inconsequential minor facts.  And have confirmed (well as much as anyone can trust anyone's info on these matters) the FBI did interview Mifsud near the 10th Feb 2017 in DC after they had met Papa in January. I'm not surprised that Papa only got 10 days. Well what an intriguing little mess this all is. So happy it's got nothing to do with me. I don't even care actually, like what's the point? Not my problem though it's insightful at another level. I do wonder how some people sleep at night though. But then again, life's experience has also taught me it's pretty simple. They sleep like babies. Occasionally they wake up retired or dead. Can't save people from themselves. Or whole nations either. (shrug)

[ ps I used to read the Guardian a few years back. Got fed up with it on lots of levels. Especially the intel geopolitics insider/think tank type journos in the UK france and based in russia etc. The vibes were really bad, the sophistry way too obvious, and the unnamed sources never-ending. It was so easy to get a comment deleted without even trying, lol. Made my skin crawl. I mention this because cross checking a few things and following various links to stories going back to 2016/17 many going to the Guardian those very same journos kept showing up with the same kind of "in house spin". Good to know trusting my own instincts and intuition is on an even keel still. :) Anyway, I think I can sum up my overall feelings by saying "What a joke." ]   
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« Reply #974 on: September 11, 2018, 07:41:52 PM »
Yet another experienced lawyer believes that Trump will undoubtedly be impeached:

Title: "Watergate attorney says Trump will 'undoubtedly be impeached'"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/406037-watergate-attorney-says-trump-will-undoubtedly-be-impeached

Extract: "Andrew Hall, who served as an attorney for President Nixon’s top adviser in the Watergate scandal, said in a recent interview that President Trump will "undoubtedly be impeached.”

In a recent interview with The Independent, Hall, who had served as counsel for John Ehrlichman, Nixon’s former senior adviser for domestic affairs who was later convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury, said he is watching history repeat itself with Trump as more of his associates become caught up in special counsel Robert Muellers probe into Russian election interference.

“The cover-up is always worse than the crime,” the attorney told the British publication. “And this one is very shady. We have a sitting president who will undoubtedly be impeached.”

Hall’s remarks arrive as more bombshell revelations emerge surrounding the release of veteran journalist Bob Woodward’s book about the Trump administration, including the news of an alleged mock interview former Trump attorney John Dowd arranged with the president on Jan. 27 to help Trump prepare for a possible sit-down with Mueller.""
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« Reply #975 on: September 12, 2018, 01:04:16 AM »
ASLR
You still remain convinced that impeaching Trump is a worthwhile goal?


All Hail President Pence!


Personally I'd rather give the Clintons, Pelosi, and Schultz Presidential Pardons for Any & All Treasonous Actions that they may or may not have taken during their entire political careers.


Then, perhaps with a little help from our Chinese and Russian "partners", America could get back to the job of running the world. With luck, Trump's 2020 replacement might even tackle the climate issue.


Impeaching Trump isn't a bad idea. It's a ridiculous goal that will be remembered as an infamous plot to bring down an elected President.
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« Reply #976 on: September 12, 2018, 05:47:23 PM »
The evidence is overwhelming that Trump has colluded with the KGB controlled Russian mafia for decades; which likely means that either he will be impeached, or that he will resort to unconstitutional means to stay in power:

Title: "Trump’s ties to the Russian mafia go back 3 decades"

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-russia-business-ties-mafia-putin-craig-unger

Extract: "Sean Illing
The case you lay out is pretty damning, but I’m left wondering if any of it really matters. As you said, most of this stuff is hiding in plain sight, and although the special counsel investigation is underway, there’s a subset of the country for whom no amount of evidence is enough to persuade them that something wrong has occurred, and Congress has demonstrated its uselessness pretty clearly. So how do you see all this playing out?

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It’s hard to say. I think we’re on a collision course that will either end in impeachment or with Trump reverting to unconstitutional measures to stay in office. That is simply my opinion. However this plays out, it’s clear that we’re in uncharted territory here, and it’s hard to see how this ends well for anyone."
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« Reply #977 on: September 12, 2018, 06:00:56 PM »
ASLR
You still remain convinced that impeaching Trump is a worthwhile goal?


All Hail President Pence!


Terry,

Your repeated posts indicating your desire to politicize the U.S. legal system (including the DOJ), indicates that you view the world in comparable terms as does Donald Trump.
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« Reply #978 on: September 12, 2018, 08:11:49 PM »
ASLR
You still remain convinced that impeaching Trump is a worthwhile goal?


All Hail President Pence!


Terry,

Your repeated posts indicating your desire to politicize the U.S. legal system (including the DOJ), indicates that you view the world in comparable terms as does Donald Trump.


Au contraire mon frere, 'tis the US legal system that has politicized this "investigation".


Otherwise surely we'd hear more of Bill's sleep over at Putin's home, his $400K speech to the Russian Bank in Moscow, or even some acknowledgment that something was amiss when Hillary and Mueller sold all of that American uranium to Putin's Minions. Wasn't it strange that nothing was ever discovered re. Awan's handling of the DNC's computers?


Was your above supposed to be a response to my asking if you still were convinced that impeaching Trump was a good idea?


Pence for President in 2019 & 2020 & 2024, with Trump's Impeachment Opening the Doors!
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« Reply #979 on: September 13, 2018, 04:28:27 AM »
The evidence is overwhelming that Trump has colluded with the KGB controlled Russian mafia for decades;


I counted to 10 but that didn't work, so I did a 30 minute guided meditation before coming back and typing anything. [ um, yeah I am joking, I really didn't do that - it's a literary device :) ]

I cannot comprehend how it's possible the person who posts here  https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/board,1.0.html is the same person who wrote the above comment. It simply does not fit the Gestalt. [ That's not a joke, I really mean it, am on the level and believe it wholeheartedly. ]

The thread title is the Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation. It is not the Crazy Conspiracy Theories about Donald Trump thread. This being so, the comment above is Off-Topic here and should be removed imo. Even better not posted in the first place.

Fantasy unproven conspiracy theories are not required to make a case that Trump is likely Unqualified to be President of the USA. Mueller may or may not be able to find the evidence that Trump can be charged with any crime or referred to Congress for potential Impeachment proceedings.

On the other hand is not difficult to look at the accumulated evidence and the historical record already in the public domain and conclude that the election of Trump, as well as HRC being the alternative candidate, is an Indictment upon the entire US Political system, it's Media and it's Justice System and Laws, and the American people as a whole.

Flaky unproven fact-free biased cognitive dissonance driven conspiracy theories are not required.
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« Reply #980 on: September 13, 2018, 03:28:15 PM »
Now that the Cohen case has given both NY state and SDNY (Southern District of New York) prosecutors access to Trump Organization financial records and tax returns; I suspect that it only a matter of time before Trump's money laundering activities (including laundering Russian money) are revealed:

Title: "New York tax investigators to meet with Cohen's attorney, at odds with federal prosecutors' request"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/politics/new-york-tax-investigators-michael-cohen/index.html

Extract: "New York state tax department investigators are scheduled to meet Tuesday with an attorney for President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, as part of a state probe regarding Cohen and the Trump Organization that comes as federal prosecutors have asked state and local prosecutors' offices to avoid taking steps that could interfere with their federal case, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The move puts state investigators at odds with the senior leadership of the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, which in the weeks since it charged Cohen with eight criminal counts has requested that other offices with related inquiries hold off on proceeding with certain investigative actions that might derail their efforts.

"This is clear interference with an ongoing criminal investigation," a law-enforcement official involved in the matter said.

Further complicating the situation is that state tax officials, who are examining potential tax fraud by the Trump Organization, have sought to include local prosecutors from the Manhattan district attorney's office in any meeting with Cohen and his attorney, the sources said."
See also:

Title: "The Urgent Question of Trump and Money Laundering"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/opinion/trump-money-laundering-russia-mueller.html

Extract: "The latest reason to be suspicious is Trump’s attacks on a formerly obscure Justice Department official named Bruce Ohr. Trump has repeatedly criticized Ohr and called for him to be fired. Ohr’s sin is that he appears to have been marginally involved in inquiries into Trump’s Russian links. But Ohr fits a larger pattern. In his highly respected three-decade career in law enforcement, he has specialized in going after Russian organized crime.

It just so happens that most of the once-obscure bureaucrats whom Trump has tried to discredit also are experts in some combination of Russia, organized crime and money laundering.

It’s true of Andrew McCabe (the former deputy F.B.I. director whose firing Trump successfully lobbied for), Andrew Weissmann (the only official working for Robert Mueller whom Trump singles out publicly) and others. They are all Trump bogeymen — and all among “the Kremlin’s biggest adversaries in the U.S. government,” as Natasha Bertrand wrote in The Atlantic. Trump, she explained, seems to be trying to rid the government of experts in Russian organized crime.

I realize that this evidence is only circumstantial and well short of proof. But it’s one of many suspicious patterns about Trump and Russia. When you look at them together, it’s hard to come away thinking that the most likely explanation is coincidence.

Then there is Trump’s paranoia about scrutiny of his businesses. He has refused to release his tax returns. He said that Mueller’s investigation would cross a red line by looking into his finances. When word leaked (incorrectly) that Mueller had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank’s records on Trump, he moved to fire Mueller (only to be dissuaded by aides). Trump is certainly acting as if his business history contains damaging information.

For months, Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has been trying to get Congress to pay attention to the possibility of money laundering. He points out that Mueller’s mandate does not necessarily include a full investigation of Trump’s businesses. But those businesses could still have behaved in ways that give Putin, a hostile foreign leader, leverage over the president of the United States."

P.S.: If/when the Democrats gain control of the House, congress will also begin investigating Trump's money laundering activities.
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« Reply #981 on: September 13, 2018, 04:14:39 PM »
Trump's lawyers are in regular contact with Manafort and are part of a 'joint defense agreement that allows confidential information sharing', while Trump is considering pardoning Manafort.  This is obstruction of justice pure and simple:

Title: "Giuliani: Trump sees no danger in Manafort plea"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/giuliani-trump-manafort-plea-bargain-821797

Extract: "Trump’s lawyer says of Manafort: ‘It’s pretty clear if they were going to get anything from him they’d have gotten it already.’

Giuliani also confirmed that Trump's lawyers and Manafort's have been in regular contact and that they are part of a joint defense agreement that allows confidential information sharing."
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« Reply #982 on: September 13, 2018, 04:43:02 PM »
P.S.: If/when the Democrats gain control of the House, congress will [might] also begin investigating Trump's  [ alleged hypothetical potential conspiracy theory of ] money laundering activities.


Let's keep the alfoil hat in the draw for now. :)
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« Reply #983 on: September 13, 2018, 04:46:08 PM »
I know what I would do if I was a major famous billionaire who had engaged in money laundering of illicit funds most of my adult life. Yep. I'd run for President. Because no one would be interested in seeing what was under my carpet.

I know Trump appears dumb at times. Not sure he's that dumb. Happy to be proven wrong on that by a court conviction though. Long live Democracy, the Separation of Powers, and the Rule of Law.
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« Reply #984 on: September 14, 2018, 08:01:50 AM »
The evidence is overwhelming that Trump has colluded with the KGB controlled Russian mafia for decades;
Decades of involvement with the KGB/Russkie mafia...and only NOW they found out?
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« Reply #985 on: September 14, 2018, 05:54:07 PM »
Another witch bites the dust (Manafort).  Donnie said he doesn’t like “flippers”.  I’m sure he was talking about seals or dolphins ....  not criminals. 😉

If I were the Wicked Witch Of Mar a lago .... I would be concerned about those walls that are quickly closing in around me.  This is playing out much like Nixon in 1974.  Nixon REFUSED to look at the truth of what was happening.  Just simply refused to acknowledge it existed.  The very same as Donnie is doing now.

When is Donnie visiting Russia? If I were him, I wouldn’t book a return flight. 😉
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« Reply #986 on: September 14, 2018, 06:44:56 PM »
Now that Manafort has cut a plea deal, it will be interesting to eventually learn what information he reveals or not about Team Trump dealings with Russia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Israel and whether he reveals any dirt on Kushner, Bannon, Prince, and Trump Jr.:

Title: "Paul Manafort pleads guilty to conspiracy and obstruction and will cooperate in the Mueller investigation"

https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-plea-deal-mueller-guilty-2018-9


Extract: "Paul Manafort pleaded guilty on Friday to two counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and conspiracy against the US.

Andrew Weissman, a prosecutor on the special counsel Robert Mueller's team, also told US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson that Manafort's plea deal includes an agreement to cooperate with prosecutors in the special counsel's investigation, which is probing Russia's interference in the 2016 election and whether members of President Donald Trump's campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the race in his favor."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #987 on: September 14, 2018, 07:07:18 PM »
Business Insider being very loose with the truth there.

He spearheaded the campaign when WikiLeaks published thousands of emails that Russia had [ ALLEGEDLY ] stolen from the Democratic National Committee.

So, Paul Manafort pleaded guilty on Friday to two counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and conspiracy against the US.
Meanwhile Manafort has been "let off" .... the remaining 10 counts from the Virginia indictment (mistrial).
and has been "let off" the DC charges for .... money laundering, false statements, and illegal lobbying.

I wish the police were as generous and easy going when I've been done for speeding. That's a big "get out of jail free" card he was just handed, given he's a proven liar and now an admitted liar too. So I can imagine that he could almost say anything he wants to say now. Be it true or just another lie. 

This is how the "plea deal system" works. It's one of the major reasons why there are now over 2 million people in prison. The most criminal people of any nation on earth. Apparently. Where people can get life for break and entering without violence or for selling pot. Versus Manafort who is going to get "Queen for a Day" for weeks on end singing like a Canary and probably making up some of his own tunes as well. 

Lucky for him, he wasn't black. The best part of this news means finally we're getting close to an end game so we won't have to hear about it 24/7 anymore.
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #988 on: September 14, 2018, 09:03:15 PM »
The full story of Manafort's degree of cooperation will come-out slowly:

Title: "Manafort to cooperate with Mueller as part of plea deal"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/14/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-appears-to-reach-plea-deal-823882

Extract: "The deal dismisses deadlocked charges against Manafort from an earlier bank- and tax-fraud trial in Virginia, but only after "successful cooperation” with Mueller’s probe into Russian election interference and whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Moscow on its efforts. Later, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson said Manafort is agreeing to "cooperate fully and truthfully" with the investigation.

However, a source close to the defense told POLITICO, "the cooperation agreement does not involve the Trump campaign. ... There was no collusion with Russia.""
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #989 on: September 14, 2018, 09:51:10 PM »
While the terms of Manafort's cooperation agreement with Mueller is not public knowledge, the linked Vox article offer eight expert opinions on what this means for Trump, and none of them are good for Trump:

Title: "Manafort is cooperating with Mueller. 8 legal experts explain what that means for Trump."

https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860648/paul-manafort-plea-deal-cooperating-mueller-trump

Extract: "Manafort at least indicated that he can offer damaging evidence, or there would be no cooperation deal at all. That does not augur well for the president.”
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #990 on: September 14, 2018, 11:03:27 PM »
If/when Letitia James is elected New York's Attorney General in November, I believe that (together with Cohen's cooperation) she will prosecute any wrong doing by individuals in the Trump Organization / Trump Foundation to the full extent of the law:

Title: "Letitia James Wins Democratic Primary for NY Attorney General"

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-State-Attorney-General-Race-Historic-Diverse-Primary-NY-Elections-Polls-Vote-493159341.html

Extract: "New York's attorney general has long had an unusual role as a regulator of Wall Street and an occasional prosecutor of the rich and powerful. The office also recently opened an investigation of sexual abuse within the Roman Catholic Church. But in this contest, Trump emerged as the common foe among all the candidates.

The winner in November will inherit several pending lawsuits filed by the state that challenge Trump's policies and accuse his charitable foundation of breaking the law.

James faces little-known Republican attorney Keith Wofford in the general election in November."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #991 on: September 15, 2018, 12:27:45 AM »
A LOT of rats in Donnie’s world are going to be VERY nervous now that Manafort has flipped.  Rona better get Uncle Mitt to get her a good attorney.  Rona Romney is in deep trouble.  So are a lot of other people for that matter.  A lot of dominos will be falling in the days/weeks/months ahead.

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #992 on: September 15, 2018, 12:32:36 AM »
It appears that Cohen is talking to Team Mueller about cutting a plea deal with the special counsel's office:

Title: "Michael Cohen Is the Latest Former Trump Ally to Talk to Mueller"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/michael-cohen-mueller

Extract: "In the wake of Manafort’s plea deal, sources confirm that it is now common knowledge among Cohen’s inner circle that Trump’s former lawyer has been in contact with the special counsel’s office."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #993 on: September 18, 2018, 12:29:38 AM »
If the Democrats are correct that this declassification of information is meant to undermine the Mueller investigation, then this is yet another example of obstruction of justice:

Title: "Trump orders declassification of surveillance application, release of Comey texts "

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/17/trump-declassification-fisa-documents-comey-texts-826304

Extract: "But Democrats and FBI defenders have argued that the effort to discredit the probe is part of a GOP push to undermine the ongoing work of special counsel Robert Mueller, who continued the FBI's Russia investigation after Trump fired Comey in May 2017. Mueller has secured guilty pleas for a variety of crimes from former senior campaign officials, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, both of whom are cooperating in the investigation."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #994 on: September 18, 2018, 12:31:59 AM »
Don't forget that Flynn may have given-up information on both Trump and Pence:

Title: "Mueller Seeks to Have Flynn Sentenced as Soon as Nov. 28"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-17/u-s-seeks-to-have-michael-flynn-sentenced-as-soon-as-nov-28

Extract: "Flynn has been cooperating with the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election since he pleaded guilty in December. His sentencing has been repeatedly delayed but on Monday lawyers for both sides told U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan that they’re available for a sentencing hearing on Nov. 28 or any of the following seven business days."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #995 on: September 18, 2018, 01:59:50 AM »
Julian Assange planned to flee Britain for Russia: report

https://www.politico.eu/article/julian-assange-planned-to-flee-britain-for-russia-report-wikileaks/

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Updated 9/17/18, 3:40 PM CET
 
Julian Assange planned to leave the U.K. and seek refuge in Russia as authorities closed in on him, according to a leak of WikiLeaks data.

“I, Julian Assange, hereby grant full authority to my friend, Israel Shamir, to both drop off and collect my passport, in order to get a visa,” Assange wrote to the Russian consulate in London in a letter dated November 30, 2010. The letter is part of a trove of WikiLeaks emails, financial records, secretly recorded footage and other documents leaked to the Associated Press.

Isn't that interesting ...... I hear Russia is nice this time of the year.  ;)
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #996 on: September 18, 2018, 04:28:26 AM »
If the Democrats are correct that this declassification of information is meant to undermine the Mueller investigation, then this is yet another example of obstruction of justice:

OR

“My colleagues in Congress and I have requested these documents for months, but have faced lengthy and unnecessary delays, redactions, and refusals from officials at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation,” he said. These documents will reveal to the American people some of the systemic corruption and bias that took place at the highest levels of the DOJ and FBI, including using the tools of our intelligence community for partisan political ends.”

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise also tweeted his support for Trump's move. The president "made the right call. Americans deserve the truth about these egregious actions by government officials," Scalise (R-La.) posted on Twitter.

Even Carter Page, who was a member of Trump's campaign foreign policy team for several months in 2016, said he supported the president's decision to declassify the secret elements of the application that authorized the FBI to surveil him.

"After all the election meddling and abuses of power that our country has suffered, I generally think that the more people learn the better," he said in an email, adding, "I believe the U.S.A can benefit greatly from this increased transparency and accountability."
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History proves that every time someone lifts up the carpet to have peak underneath what dirt lays there mountains of filth are discovered. Would be a nice change for sure. But given the whole barrel of apples is rotten it's hard to know where the malfeasance, corruption and lying starts and where it ends, if at all.

It would be a great thing for the American people for Pres Trump to Declassify everything held in the 9/11 Commission records to find who really were derelict in their Sworn Duty and who lied about it to cover it up after the event.   

Even better would be to Declassify all the Archives of the CIA and DoD up to 20 years ago. The American people have a right as the Nations' Sovereign what the U.S. Government has being doing in their name. If he really meant what he said about "Draining the Swamp" he would do this before he leaves office.

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #997 on: September 18, 2018, 06:02:32 AM »
Re: declassification

red meat to the republicans on the committees. Now they got ammo to appoint another special prosecutor to investigate the first special prosecutor's investigation.

Only in America !

In other news, popcorn sales are up. TV networks are redoing their ad rates upward. Business is good.

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #998 on: September 18, 2018, 08:32:55 AM »
Flynn ready to be sentenced in Russia probe, his lawyer and special counsel tell court

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flynn-ready-sentencing-russia-probe-lawyer-special-counsel/story?id=57888249

I guess there were a lot of witches after all..

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #999 on: September 18, 2018, 10:04:05 PM »
If the Democrats are correct that this declassification of information is meant to undermine the Mueller investigation, then this is yet another example of obstruction of justice:

OR
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At least Mark Warner has read the documents being declassified, and he has a message for Trump:

https://twitter.com/MarkWarner/status/1041818338991718400


"Mark Warner ‏

The President shouldn’t be declassifying documents in order to undermine an investigation into his campaign or pursue vendettas against political enemies. He especially shouldn’t be releasing documents with the potential to reveal intelligence sources.

3:37 PM - 17 Sep 2018"

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