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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #800 on: September 08, 2018, 05:07:12 PM »
Did Putin order the murder of Joseph Mifsud?  We may never know.

Title: "DNC Lawyers Raise Prospect That Papadopoulos’s U.K. Contact May Be Dead"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-07/dnc-lawyers-raise-prospect-papadopoulos-u-k-contact-may-be-dead

Extract: " On the day Donald Trump’s former foreign-policy adviser George Papadopoulos was sentenced to two weeks in jail for lying to investigators about his contacts with a U.K. professor peddling dirt from Russian officials about Hillary Clinton, lawyers in an unrelated case raised the prospect the professor, Joseph Mifsud, may be dead.

The Democratic National Committee, which is suing Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks for interfering in the 2016 election, said in a court filing Friday that it believes all the defendants in the case have been served with the complaint, “with the exception of Mifsud (who is missing and may be deceased).” The lawyers didn’t elaborate."
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« Reply #801 on: September 08, 2018, 05:23:52 PM »
Papa gets 2 weeks in pokey, 10K fine

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/papadopoulos-sentenced-14-days-jail-lying-fbi-mueller-probe-n907266

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This relatively light sentence for a cooperating, first-time offender may very well open a floodgate of proffers from Trump's people (hopefully including Manafort) who want to come clean.  Who knows what dirt on Trump will be proffered for plea deals?
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« Reply #802 on: September 09, 2018, 08:34:26 AM »
OK, I'll take just one part of this rant :

The Clinton Campaign had damaging information on Donald Trump. Where did they get that from? That came from Russians inside Russia via unknown conduits to Christopher Steele, a UK retired MI6 agent, via Lawyers and then to the DNC and Hillary Clinton.

That damaging information was released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign and is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time. That's undeniable.

Exactly which information from Steele was that that was "released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign" and "is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time" ?
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« Reply #803 on: September 09, 2018, 07:08:31 PM »
We are getting closer to the truth (publicly speaking) about collusion/conspiracy, and I imagine that Mueller has a lot more evidence that cannot be revealed publicly just yet:

Title: "Papadopoulos: My testimony could help demonstrate collusion between Trump campaign and Russia"

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/405755-papadopoulos-my-testimony-may-help-demonstrate-trump-campaign?__twitter_impression=true

Extract: "Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos suggested Sunday that his testimony could help special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation toward demonstrating collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

See also:

Title: "Trump campaign members were 'fully aware' of efforts to set Putin meeting: Papadopoulos"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-papadopoulos-exclusive-interview-week/story?id=57694015

Extract: "George Papadopoulos, the one-time foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump who became swept up in the special counsel investigation, says members of the Trump campaign team were “fully aware” and in many cases supportive of his efforts to broker a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"I actively sought to leverage my contacts with the professor to host this meeting,” Papadopoulos told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos in an exclusive interview on "This Week" Sunday. "The campaign was fully aware what I was doing."
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Stephanopoulos asked Papadopoulos about his meeting with the FBI in January 2017, at which time the former campaign aide said he was "of course" hopeful that he would get a job in the Trump administration.

"It was in that context on January 27, 2017 when you met with the FBI and lied to them about your meetings with [Maltese professor] Joseph Mifsud," Stephanopoulos said. "Why did you lie to them?"

"I found myself pinned between the Department of Justice and the sitting president and having probing questions that I thought might incriminate the sitting president," Papadopoulos said.

"You were trying to protect the president?" Stephanopoulos pressed.

"Of course," Papadopoulos responded."
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« Reply #804 on: September 10, 2018, 06:43:31 PM »
[rhetorical question]

Why would you consider let alone accept the interpretations and selected explanations of a young gullible naive (already proven) lying fool like Papadopoulos? Aside from the fact his reported comments neatly fit your existing beliefs and opinions about RussiaGate that is.

We're no where near getting closer to the truth and I doubt we ever will. People lie. Not just Papadopoulos.

Seth Abramson is not some young gullible naïve fool, and as a lawyer he thinks that there is already enough public evidence of collusion to convince a jury 'beyond a reasonable doubt':

Title: "Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America by Seth Abramson"

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/proof-of-collusion-seth-abramson/1129438460?ean=9781982116088

Extract: "For the first time, the full, explosive record of the unthinkable: how a U.S. president compromised American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance.

Looking back at this moment in history, historians will ask if Americans knew they were living through the first case of criminal conspiracy between an American presidential candidate turned commander in chief and a geopolitical enemy. The answer might be: it was hard to see the whole picture. The stories coming in from around the globe have often seemed fantastical: clandestine meetings in foreign capitals, secret recordings in a Moscow hotel, Kremlin agents infiltrating the Trump inner circle …

Seth Abramson has tracked every one of these far-flung reports and now in, Proof of Collusion, he finally gives us a record of the unthinkable—a president compromising American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance. The attorney, professor, and former criminal investigator has used his exacting legal mind and forensic acumen to compile, organize, and analyze every piece of the Trump-Russia story. His conclusion is clear: the case for collusion is staring us in the face. Drawing from American and European news outlets, he takes readers through the Trump-Russia scandal chronologically, putting the developments in context and showing how they connect. His extraordinary march through all the public evidence includes:

•   How Trump worked for thirty years to expand his real estate empire into Russia even as he was rescued from bankruptcy by Putin’s oligarchs and Kremlin agents
•   How Russian intelligence gathered compromising material on him over multiple trips
•   How Trump recruited Russian allies and business partners while running for president
•   How he surrounded himself with advisers who engaged in clandestine negotiations with Russia
•   How Trump aides and family members held secret meetings with foreign agents and lied about them

By pulling every last thread of this complicated story together, Abramson argues that—even in the absence of a Congressional investigation or a report from Special Counsel Mueller—the public record already indicates a quid pro quo between Trump and the Kremlin. The most extraordinary part of the case for collusion is that so much of it unfolded in plain sight."
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« Reply #805 on: September 11, 2018, 07:41:52 PM »
Yet another experienced lawyer believes that Trump will undoubtedly be impeached:

Title: "Watergate attorney says Trump will 'undoubtedly be impeached'"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/406037-watergate-attorney-says-trump-will-undoubtedly-be-impeached

Extract: "Andrew Hall, who served as an attorney for President Nixon’s top adviser in the Watergate scandal, said in a recent interview that President Trump will "undoubtedly be impeached.”

In a recent interview with The Independent, Hall, who had served as counsel for John Ehrlichman, Nixon’s former senior adviser for domestic affairs who was later convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury, said he is watching history repeat itself with Trump as more of his associates become caught up in special counsel Robert Muellers probe into Russian election interference.

“The cover-up is always worse than the crime,” the attorney told the British publication. “And this one is very shady. We have a sitting president who will undoubtedly be impeached.”

Hall’s remarks arrive as more bombshell revelations emerge surrounding the release of veteran journalist Bob Woodward’s book about the Trump administration, including the news of an alleged mock interview former Trump attorney John Dowd arranged with the president on Jan. 27 to help Trump prepare for a possible sit-down with Mueller.""
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #806 on: September 12, 2018, 01:04:16 AM »
ASLR
You still remain convinced that impeaching Trump is a worthwhile goal?


All Hail President Pence!


Personally I'd rather give the Clintons, Pelosi, and Schultz Presidential Pardons for Any & All Treasonous Actions that they may or may not have taken during their entire political careers.


Then, perhaps with a little help from our Chinese and Russian "partners", America could get back to the job of running the world. With luck, Trump's 2020 replacement might even tackle the climate issue.


Impeaching Trump isn't a bad idea. It's a ridiculous goal that will be remembered as an infamous plot to bring down an elected President.
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« Reply #807 on: September 12, 2018, 05:47:23 PM »
The evidence is overwhelming that Trump has colluded with the KGB controlled Russian mafia for decades; which likely means that either he will be impeached, or that he will resort to unconstitutional means to stay in power:

Title: "Trump’s ties to the Russian mafia go back 3 decades"

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-russia-business-ties-mafia-putin-craig-unger

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The case you lay out is pretty damning, but I’m left wondering if any of it really matters. As you said, most of this stuff is hiding in plain sight, and although the special counsel investigation is underway, there’s a subset of the country for whom no amount of evidence is enough to persuade them that something wrong has occurred, and Congress has demonstrated its uselessness pretty clearly. So how do you see all this playing out?

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« Reply #808 on: September 12, 2018, 06:00:56 PM »
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You still remain convinced that impeaching Trump is a worthwhile goal?


All Hail President Pence!


Terry,

Your repeated posts indicating your desire to politicize the U.S. legal system (including the DOJ), indicates that you view the world in comparable terms as does Donald Trump.
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« Reply #809 on: September 12, 2018, 08:11:49 PM »
ASLR
You still remain convinced that impeaching Trump is a worthwhile goal?


All Hail President Pence!


Terry,

Your repeated posts indicating your desire to politicize the U.S. legal system (including the DOJ), indicates that you view the world in comparable terms as does Donald Trump.


Au contraire mon frere, 'tis the US legal system that has politicized this "investigation".


Otherwise surely we'd hear more of Bill's sleep over at Putin's home, his $400K speech to the Russian Bank in Moscow, or even some acknowledgment that something was amiss when Hillary and Mueller sold all of that American uranium to Putin's Minions. Wasn't it strange that nothing was ever discovered re. Awan's handling of the DNC's computers?


Was your above supposed to be a response to my asking if you still were convinced that impeaching Trump was a good idea?


Pence for President in 2019 & 2020 & 2024, with Trump's Impeachment Opening the Doors!
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« Reply #810 on: September 13, 2018, 03:28:15 PM »
Now that the Cohen case has given both NY state and SDNY (Southern District of New York) prosecutors access to Trump Organization financial records and tax returns; I suspect that it only a matter of time before Trump's money laundering activities (including laundering Russian money) are revealed:

Title: "New York tax investigators to meet with Cohen's attorney, at odds with federal prosecutors' request"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/politics/new-york-tax-investigators-michael-cohen/index.html

Extract: "New York state tax department investigators are scheduled to meet Tuesday with an attorney for President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, as part of a state probe regarding Cohen and the Trump Organization that comes as federal prosecutors have asked state and local prosecutors' offices to avoid taking steps that could interfere with their federal case, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The move puts state investigators at odds with the senior leadership of the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, which in the weeks since it charged Cohen with eight criminal counts has requested that other offices with related inquiries hold off on proceeding with certain investigative actions that might derail their efforts.

"This is clear interference with an ongoing criminal investigation," a law-enforcement official involved in the matter said.

Further complicating the situation is that state tax officials, who are examining potential tax fraud by the Trump Organization, have sought to include local prosecutors from the Manhattan district attorney's office in any meeting with Cohen and his attorney, the sources said."
See also:

Title: "The Urgent Question of Trump and Money Laundering"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/opinion/trump-money-laundering-russia-mueller.html

Extract: "The latest reason to be suspicious is Trump’s attacks on a formerly obscure Justice Department official named Bruce Ohr. Trump has repeatedly criticized Ohr and called for him to be fired. Ohr’s sin is that he appears to have been marginally involved in inquiries into Trump’s Russian links. But Ohr fits a larger pattern. In his highly respected three-decade career in law enforcement, he has specialized in going after Russian organized crime.

It just so happens that most of the once-obscure bureaucrats whom Trump has tried to discredit also are experts in some combination of Russia, organized crime and money laundering.

It’s true of Andrew McCabe (the former deputy F.B.I. director whose firing Trump successfully lobbied for), Andrew Weissmann (the only official working for Robert Mueller whom Trump singles out publicly) and others. They are all Trump bogeymen — and all among “the Kremlin’s biggest adversaries in the U.S. government,” as Natasha Bertrand wrote in The Atlantic. Trump, she explained, seems to be trying to rid the government of experts in Russian organized crime.

I realize that this evidence is only circumstantial and well short of proof. But it’s one of many suspicious patterns about Trump and Russia. When you look at them together, it’s hard to come away thinking that the most likely explanation is coincidence.

Then there is Trump’s paranoia about scrutiny of his businesses. He has refused to release his tax returns. He said that Mueller’s investigation would cross a red line by looking into his finances. When word leaked (incorrectly) that Mueller had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank’s records on Trump, he moved to fire Mueller (only to be dissuaded by aides). Trump is certainly acting as if his business history contains damaging information.

For months, Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has been trying to get Congress to pay attention to the possibility of money laundering. He points out that Mueller’s mandate does not necessarily include a full investigation of Trump’s businesses. But those businesses could still have behaved in ways that give Putin, a hostile foreign leader, leverage over the president of the United States."

P.S.: If/when the Democrats gain control of the House, congress will also begin investigating Trump's money laundering activities.
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #811 on: September 13, 2018, 04:14:39 PM »
Trump's lawyers are in regular contact with Manafort and are part of a 'joint defense agreement that allows confidential information sharing', while Trump is considering pardoning Manafort.  This is obstruction of justice pure and simple:

Title: "Giuliani: Trump sees no danger in Manafort plea"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/giuliani-trump-manafort-plea-bargain-821797

Extract: "Trump’s lawyer says of Manafort: ‘It’s pretty clear if they were going to get anything from him they’d have gotten it already.’

Giuliani also confirmed that Trump's lawyers and Manafort's have been in regular contact and that they are part of a joint defense agreement that allows confidential information sharing."
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« Reply #812 on: September 14, 2018, 08:01:50 AM »
The evidence is overwhelming that Trump has colluded with the KGB controlled Russian mafia for decades;
Decades of involvement with the KGB/Russkie mafia...and only NOW they found out?
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« Reply #813 on: September 14, 2018, 05:54:07 PM »
Another witch bites the dust (Manafort).  Donnie said he doesn’t like “flippers”.  I’m sure he was talking about seals or dolphins ....  not criminals. 😉

If I were the Wicked Witch Of Mar a lago .... I would be concerned about those walls that are quickly closing in around me.  This is playing out much like Nixon in 1974.  Nixon REFUSED to look at the truth of what was happening.  Just simply refused to acknowledge it existed.  The very same as Donnie is doing now.

When is Donnie visiting Russia? If I were him, I wouldn’t book a return flight. 😉
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« Reply #814 on: September 14, 2018, 06:44:56 PM »
Now that Manafort has cut a plea deal, it will be interesting to eventually learn what information he reveals or not about Team Trump dealings with Russia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Israel and whether he reveals any dirt on Kushner, Bannon, Prince, and Trump Jr.:

Title: "Paul Manafort pleads guilty to conspiracy and obstruction and will cooperate in the Mueller investigation"

https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-plea-deal-mueller-guilty-2018-9


Extract: "Paul Manafort pleaded guilty on Friday to two counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and conspiracy against the US.

Andrew Weissman, a prosecutor on the special counsel Robert Mueller's team, also told US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson that Manafort's plea deal includes an agreement to cooperate with prosecutors in the special counsel's investigation, which is probing Russia's interference in the 2016 election and whether members of President Donald Trump's campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the race in his favor."
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« Reply #815 on: September 14, 2018, 09:03:15 PM »
The full story of Manafort's degree of cooperation will come-out slowly:

Title: "Manafort to cooperate with Mueller as part of plea deal"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/14/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-appears-to-reach-plea-deal-823882

Extract: "The deal dismisses deadlocked charges against Manafort from an earlier bank- and tax-fraud trial in Virginia, but only after "successful cooperation” with Mueller’s probe into Russian election interference and whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Moscow on its efforts. Later, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson said Manafort is agreeing to "cooperate fully and truthfully" with the investigation.

However, a source close to the defense told POLITICO, "the cooperation agreement does not involve the Trump campaign. ... There was no collusion with Russia.""
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« Reply #816 on: September 14, 2018, 09:51:10 PM »
While the terms of Manafort's cooperation agreement with Mueller is not public knowledge, the linked Vox article offer eight expert opinions on what this means for Trump, and none of them are good for Trump:

Title: "Manafort is cooperating with Mueller. 8 legal experts explain what that means for Trump."

https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860648/paul-manafort-plea-deal-cooperating-mueller-trump

Extract: "Manafort at least indicated that he can offer damaging evidence, or there would be no cooperation deal at all. That does not augur well for the president.”
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« Reply #817 on: September 14, 2018, 11:03:27 PM »
If/when Letitia James is elected New York's Attorney General in November, I believe that (together with Cohen's cooperation) she will prosecute any wrong doing by individuals in the Trump Organization / Trump Foundation to the full extent of the law:

Title: "Letitia James Wins Democratic Primary for NY Attorney General"

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-State-Attorney-General-Race-Historic-Diverse-Primary-NY-Elections-Polls-Vote-493159341.html

Extract: "New York's attorney general has long had an unusual role as a regulator of Wall Street and an occasional prosecutor of the rich and powerful. The office also recently opened an investigation of sexual abuse within the Roman Catholic Church. But in this contest, Trump emerged as the common foe among all the candidates.

The winner in November will inherit several pending lawsuits filed by the state that challenge Trump's policies and accuse his charitable foundation of breaking the law.

James faces little-known Republican attorney Keith Wofford in the general election in November."
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« Reply #818 on: September 15, 2018, 12:27:45 AM »
A LOT of rats in Donnie’s world are going to be VERY nervous now that Manafort has flipped.  Rona better get Uncle Mitt to get her a good attorney.  Rona Romney is in deep trouble.  So are a lot of other people for that matter.  A lot of dominos will be falling in the days/weeks/months ahead.

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« Reply #819 on: September 15, 2018, 12:32:36 AM »
It appears that Cohen is talking to Team Mueller about cutting a plea deal with the special counsel's office:

Title: "Michael Cohen Is the Latest Former Trump Ally to Talk to Mueller"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/michael-cohen-mueller

Extract: "In the wake of Manafort’s plea deal, sources confirm that it is now common knowledge among Cohen’s inner circle that Trump’s former lawyer has been in contact with the special counsel’s office."
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« Reply #820 on: September 18, 2018, 12:29:38 AM »
If the Democrats are correct that this declassification of information is meant to undermine the Mueller investigation, then this is yet another example of obstruction of justice:

Title: "Trump orders declassification of surveillance application, release of Comey texts "

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/17/trump-declassification-fisa-documents-comey-texts-826304

Extract: "But Democrats and FBI defenders have argued that the effort to discredit the probe is part of a GOP push to undermine the ongoing work of special counsel Robert Mueller, who continued the FBI's Russia investigation after Trump fired Comey in May 2017. Mueller has secured guilty pleas for a variety of crimes from former senior campaign officials, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, both of whom are cooperating in the investigation."
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« Reply #821 on: September 18, 2018, 12:31:59 AM »
Don't forget that Flynn may have given-up information on both Trump and Pence:

Title: "Mueller Seeks to Have Flynn Sentenced as Soon as Nov. 28"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-17/u-s-seeks-to-have-michael-flynn-sentenced-as-soon-as-nov-28

Extract: "Flynn has been cooperating with the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election since he pleaded guilty in December. His sentencing has been repeatedly delayed but on Monday lawyers for both sides told U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan that they’re available for a sentencing hearing on Nov. 28 or any of the following seven business days."
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« Reply #822 on: September 18, 2018, 01:59:50 AM »
Julian Assange planned to flee Britain for Russia: report

https://www.politico.eu/article/julian-assange-planned-to-flee-britain-for-russia-report-wikileaks/

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Julian Assange planned to leave the U.K. and seek refuge in Russia as authorities closed in on him, according to a leak of WikiLeaks data.

“I, Julian Assange, hereby grant full authority to my friend, Israel Shamir, to both drop off and collect my passport, in order to get a visa,” Assange wrote to the Russian consulate in London in a letter dated November 30, 2010. The letter is part of a trove of WikiLeaks emails, financial records, secretly recorded footage and other documents leaked to the Associated Press.

Isn't that interesting ...... I hear Russia is nice this time of the year.  ;)
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« Reply #823 on: September 18, 2018, 06:02:32 AM »
Re: declassification

red meat to the republicans on the committees. Now they got ammo to appoint another special prosecutor to investigate the first special prosecutor's investigation.

Only in America !

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #824 on: September 18, 2018, 08:32:55 AM »
Flynn ready to be sentenced in Russia probe, his lawyer and special counsel tell court

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flynn-ready-sentencing-russia-probe-lawyer-special-counsel/story?id=57888249

I guess there were a lot of witches after all..

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« Reply #825 on: September 18, 2018, 10:04:05 PM »
If the Democrats are correct that this declassification of information is meant to undermine the Mueller investigation, then this is yet another example of obstruction of justice:

OR
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At least Mark Warner has read the documents being declassified, and he has a message for Trump:

https://twitter.com/MarkWarner/status/1041818338991718400


"Mark Warner ‏

The President shouldn’t be declassifying documents in order to undermine an investigation into his campaign or pursue vendettas against political enemies. He especially shouldn’t be releasing documents with the potential to reveal intelligence sources.

3:37 PM - 17 Sep 2018"

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #826 on: September 18, 2018, 11:31:31 PM »
Here is FiveThirtyEight's take on the implications of the Manafort plea deal:

Title: "Why Manafort’s Flip May Matter More Than 25 Russian Indictments"

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-manaforts-flip-may-matter-more-than-25-russian-indictments/

Extract: "Manafort is cooperating at a pivotal moment in the investigation. There’s reason to believe that more indictments of Americans may be coming, based on who has appeared as witnesses before Mueller’s grand jury in Washington. Manafort could help get those indictments over the finish line. Manafort is also likely to be asked questions that may be answerable by only a handful of people — like the details of the infamous Trump Tower meeting in June 2016, when Manafort, Jared Kushner and Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian attorney to learn about “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. And he could provide damaging information about other people in Trump’s orbit and maybe even the president himself."
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« Reply #827 on: September 18, 2018, 11:38:00 PM »
If Trump classifies the Mueller report I can't think of anyone who could or would stop him. In fact I could name a dozen high ranking politicians who block anyone who tried.
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« Reply #828 on: September 18, 2018, 11:49:43 PM »
Trump's actions are working against America's best interest, and will compromise its security:

Title: "Justice, Spy World Veterans Warn Of Consequences If Trump Releases Secret Docs"

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/18/649186062/justice-spy-world-veterans-warn-of-consequences-if-trump-releases-secret-docs

Extract: "The document dump escalates the White House attack on the Justice Department only days after Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort agreed to plead guilty and cooperate with the special counsel investigation.

Trump has ordered the release of communications involving people on his enemies list and sections of an application under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — something that has never happened before.

"The release of FISAs like this is off the charts," former Assistant Attorney General for National Security David Kris wrote about the secret orders.

"It is especially unprecedented considering that the FISAs have already gone through declassification review and the president is overruling the judgments of his subordinates to require expanded disclosure.

But FISA applications are prepared by career lawyers at the Justice Department and the FBI, supported by volumes of underlying evidence, and require signoff from high levels at both institutions.
The applications on Page, who was exposed to law enforcement scrutiny over his ties with Russia, were approved four different times — by political officials from administrations representing both Democrats and Republicans.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the ranking member of the House intelligence committee, said he had been "previously informed" by FBI Director Christopher Wray and Rosenstein that some of the materials Trump has ordered to be released amount to a "red line that must not be crossed as they may compromise sources and methods."

"This is evidently of no consequence to a president who cares about nothing about the country and everything about his narrow self-interest," Schiff said."
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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #829 on: September 19, 2018, 05:56:42 PM »
Trump's self-serving deep-state conspiracy theories are continuing to fall apart:

Title: "Trump 'dossier' stuck in New York, didn't trigger Russia investigation, sources say"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-dossier-stuck-york-trigger-russia-investigation-sources/story?id=57919471

Extract: "President Donald Trump and his allies have long insisted that what he calls the “fake dirty dossier” was wholly “responsible for starting the totally and discredited witch hunt” by special counsel Robert Mueller.

But, beginning in July 2016, that so-called “dossier” actually sat for several weeks inside an organized crime unit at the FBI’s New York field office, even as counterintelligence agents in Washington, D.C. – unaware of the new allegations – were already investigating Russian efforts to hijack American democracy.

Trump doubled down on his “dossier” accusation this week, ordering the Justice Department and U.S. intelligence community to release a bigger slice of the classified information used to investigate one of his advisers, New York business consultant Carter Page, insisting again Tuesday that “what will be disclosed is that there was no basis” for the surveillance.

Despite what Trump and like-minded politicians have said, sources told ABC News the “dossier” was plainly not the initial basis for the federal investigation."
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« Reply #830 on: September 19, 2018, 07:48:22 PM »


Let him rip now, and keep on doing it. It'll be good for the country longer term if he does.
 

It won't be good at all if he continues to selectively declassify only those documents helpful to his personal defense team.  This is a very dangerous precedent.  The act will have a chilling effect on efforts to investigate any sitting administration in the future.

Maintaining strong checks and balances on the Executive Branch is of vital importance to democracy.

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« Reply #831 on: September 19, 2018, 08:56:13 PM »

It won't be good at all if he continues to selectively declassify only those documents helpful to his personal defense team.  This is a very dangerous precedent.  The act will have a chilling effect on efforts to investigate any sitting administration in the future.

Maintaining strong checks and balances on the Executive Branch is of vital importance to democracy.
Would this necessarily be a bad thing?
I see much of what's now going on as a reaction to Ken Starr's treatment of Bill Clinton. Damping down this tit for tat cycle may smooth things out to some extent.
I don't want a Starr or a Mueller deciding who runs the country.
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« Reply #832 on: September 19, 2018, 09:02:35 PM »
I don't want a Starr or a Mueller deciding who runs the country.
Terry

You already have Putin deciding who runs the USA, following your approach we may soon have Jinping deciding who runs a great many countries, including Canada.
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« Reply #833 on: September 19, 2018, 11:06:51 PM »
McGovern at consortiumnews  on declassification: deep state will resist:

"top officials of the Justice Department, the FBI, and the intelligence agencies — have zero incentive to comply “immediately.” And they have minus-zero incentive, as the top echelons see it, to throw their former bosses, colleagues, and co-conspirators under the bus by releasing the family jewels."

"Russia-gate, in a phrase, has become too big to fail"

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/09/18/justice-dept-likely-to-slow-walk-declassification/

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« Reply #834 on: September 20, 2018, 12:44:22 AM »

You already have Putin deciding who runs the USA, following your approach we may soon have Jinping deciding who runs a great many countries, including Canada.


Do you really believe what you wrote?
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« Reply #835 on: September 20, 2018, 02:44:35 AM »

It won't be good at all if he continues to selectively declassify only those documents helpful to his personal defense team.  This is a very dangerous precedent.  The act will have a chilling effect on efforts to investigate any sitting administration in the future.

Maintaining strong checks and balances on the Executive Branch is of vital importance to democracy.
Would this necessarily be a bad thing?
I see much of what's now going on as a reaction to Ken Starr's treatment of Bill Clinton. Damping down this tit for tat cycle may smooth things out to some extent.
I don't want a Starr or a Mueller deciding who runs the country.
Terry

I think this has noting to do with Starr and Clinton, but everything to do with Trump's actions.

Neither a Starr nor a Mueller can control who sits in the White House.  Only Congress can remove a sitting President.

If a President can selectively declassify documents to aid his own personal defense team, then future administrations will feel impervious to being held to account.  That's the road to corruption and tyranny.

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« Reply #836 on: September 20, 2018, 05:44:17 AM »
You already have Putin deciding who runs the USA, ....

The American people decides who runs the country. It's done through a mechanism called presidential election. Each citizen has one vote.
It's called democracy.

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Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
« Reply #837 on: September 20, 2018, 06:29:18 AM »
Re: "If a President can selectively declassify documents "

Actually he can ... mebbe someone oughta pass a law ...

Re: "road to corruption and tyranny"

Well, we seem to differ on where we actually are.

A state that protects war criminals, torturers, corrupt bankers, corrupt policemen, reserves to itself the right to kill its own without judicial process, and to kill other nationalities without declaration of war, a state that incarcerates a huge fraction of its own minorities, that leaves the poor to rot on the street, a state that will not even grant the right to medical aid without penurious debt, a state where the lawmakers are openly bought and sold, is indeed a state of corruption and tyranny.

Or perhaps I am just old fashioned.


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« Reply #838 on: September 20, 2018, 07:19:29 AM »
Declassification move raises pressure on Mueller to wrap up. As soon as those classified documents, are revealed, much more of Mueller investigation will clarify, and deduced targets will defend.

McGovern is right, Justice and FBI will stonewall, but rep/senate committee members will leak, and so will disaffected FBI.

In a wider frame it is quite revealing to see people argue for greater secrecy while they were baying for less, lionizing those warmongers and torturers whom they excoriated in forgotten times. Or all the heroes of that yesterday, Hersh and Assange for example, who are now mercilessly vilified.

It must be nice to be able to forget.

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« Reply #839 on: September 20, 2018, 08:38:56 AM »
I don't want a Starr or a Mueller deciding who runs the country.....Terry
Ifn Kavanaugh gets into the Supreme Court(becoming the Slimy Court), we'll have a Slimy Court of a potential rapist, a sexual harasser(Thomas),  seven others, stacked the way undemocratic re-pubic-lick-uns want, plus a stacked deck of a re-pubic-lick-un Pressy-dent, re-pubic-lick-un House "Con-greasy-men" & re-pubic-lick-un "SEE-NO-TURDS" using gerrymandered districts, & minority voter elimination techniques, makin' decisions fer ya, minorities & women.
I'd think about goin' back to my own country, 'cept my Native Tribe lands are inside the borders of the U.S. 

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« Reply #840 on: September 20, 2018, 10:01:33 AM »
"A state that protects war criminals, torturers, corrupt bankers, corrupt policemen, reserves to itself the right to kill its own without judicial process, and to kill other nationalities without declaration of war, a state that incarcerates a huge fraction of its own minorities, that leaves the poor to rot on the street, a state that will not even grant the right to medical aid without penurious debt, a state where the lawmakers are openly bought and sold..."

So is it impossible to be outraged at all these things (and more, as I too am), and also to be outraged that a sitting president is trying to use the justice department and other levers of power as his own private force to carry out vendettas against his personal enemies. If you were identified as one of those personal enemies, would you be a bit concerned about that misuse of power?
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« Reply #841 on: September 20, 2018, 08:46:42 PM »
Re: "So is it impossible to be outraged at all these things (and more, as I too am), and also to be outraged that a sitting president is trying to use the justice department and other levers of power as his own private force to carry out vendettas against his personal enemies. "

Do tell. That is not my statement. Please read what I wrote again.

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« Reply #842 on: September 20, 2018, 11:49:22 PM »
Its starting to look like Trump's potential pardon of Cohen, may soon have little meaning:

Title: "Michael Cohen spoke to Mueller team for hours; asked about Russia, possible collusion, pardon: Sources"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-spoke-mueller-team-hours-asked-russia/story?id=57959664

Extract: "President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, has participated over the last month in multiple interview sessions lasting for hours with investigators from the office of special counsel, Robert Mueller, sources tell ABC News."
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« Reply #843 on: September 21, 2018, 01:54:55 AM »
Insubordination, Mutiny, Treason?

What's the proper term when federal employees are instructed to not obey direct orders?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-19/fbi-doj-defy-trump-order-redactions-planned-top-dems-demand-insuboordination

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« Reply #844 on: September 21, 2018, 02:12:08 AM »
Insubordination, Mutiny, Treason?

What's the proper term when federal employees are instructed to not obey direct orders?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-19/fbi-doj-defy-trump-order-redactions-planned-top-dems-demand-insuboordination

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It is the responsibility of all citizens to disobey illegal orders.  If an order to selectively declassify items is meant to obstruct an investigation, following that order could be a crime.  The final arbiter is a court of law, not a pundit.

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« Reply #845 on: September 21, 2018, 03:17:30 AM »
Insubordination, Mutiny, Treason?

What's the proper term when federal employees are instructed to not obey direct orders?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-19/fbi-doj-defy-trump-order-redactions-planned-top-dems-demand-insuboordination

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Ya know sometimes it matters...

The Man Who Saved the World
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2277106/?ref_=nv_sr_3

"Stanislav Petrov was a lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces. On September 26 1983, Russian radars intercept five nuclear missiles on their way to Russia. The decision that would start World War III rests on his shoulders. Should Russia fire nuclear missiles at the United States in defense?

Today, the world still exists, but Petrov himself is a ruined man. A man who, in his own words, is not a hero and who went against all protocol, relying on his own instinct instead of the computers."

Great documentary film.
Stanislav Petrov sadly died last year largely unknown to the billions of souls he saved.
RIP.

More to the point of your angst about unclassified government documents, we all agree the president should immediately classify and seal the Mueller report as soon as it's released. /sarc

PS: zerohedge has been predicting the imminent collapse of (money/oil/europe/etc.) forever so by the law of large numbers they will surly hit the jackpot someday and they will be here after the SHTF to tell us they saw it coming. ZH seems to be a mecca for nihilist and neo-libertarians. I check it every few days just like Drudge Report just to see what's trending.

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« Reply #846 on: September 21, 2018, 04:34:41 AM »
Insubordination, Mutiny, Treason?
...
Treason, at least, is not happening at the moment:
Article Three of the United States Constitution
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Supreme Court determined that there has to be a declared war against another nation state, I understand, and there isn't one at the moment.  (The Korean War is a 'police action', I believe)
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« Reply #847 on: September 21, 2018, 05:29:52 AM »
"Today, the world still exists, but Petrov himself is a ruined man. A man who, in his own words, is not a hero and who went against all protocol, relying on his own instinct instead of the computers."

Is that supposed to be an argument for AI - ML and your unbridled faith in all things Tech, Dr Strangelove?  ::)
Not at all. That sentence was copied from a critics review of the film. I'm guessing you haven't seen the film. I think you don't have a clue as to the type of computers and software the Russians were using back then. I don't need to search the internet to know the answer to that question because I was working for the defense industry from 1976 through 1998. We are still alive today because those computers are still running our nuclear defense systems but nobody has pushed the 'GO' button, yet...
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« Reply #848 on: September 21, 2018, 11:36:51 AM »
Eventually, we will find out just how 'critical' the information was that Cohen provided to Mueller:

Title: "Michael Cohen provided 'critical information' to Robert Mueller, his attorney says"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/20/michael-cohen-information-special-counsel-mueller/1375083002/

Extract: "Cohen's attorney, Lanny Davis, wrote on Twitter that his client provided "critical information" to Mueller's team, which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible obstruction of justice by President Donald Trump. Davis added Cohen did not have any agreement with Mueller's team and the move should be viewed as an honest one."
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« Reply #849 on: September 21, 2018, 10:16:37 PM »
Strzok was uncertain about Russian motives, concerned about political abuse of classified information by the Obama white house, conflicts in intelligence:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/407677-fbi-memos-detail-partisan-axes-secret-conflicts-behind-the-russia-election

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