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Re: Policy & Solutions
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2018, 05:14:09 PM »
Hail and hurricane proof farming all internal away from the contamination/radiation of the outside world requiring 80% less water 95% less land and zero pesticides... We could live on the moon if we wanted to... no reason we couldn't recolonize earth even as bad as it can and will get.. So long as a blade of grass is growing on the planet, it will be far more hospitable than any place else we know.

Somewhere on this forum in the not distant past, someone posted a link to a presentation that examined the economics and physics involved in growing food under LEDs.  The net conclusion was that the electricity costs are generally prohibitive for staple crops.  Better to use natural light, rather than covering a comparable acreage in solar panels to get the electricity.

One could imagine scenarios in which vast acreage is useless for agriculture (say, after a nuclear exchange) and food is much more precious (say, after a nuclear exchange).  So, that wouldn't be the last word on the subject.

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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2018, 06:07:55 PM »
Hail and hurricane proof farming all internal away from the contamination/radiation of the outside world requiring 80% less water 95% less land and zero pesticides... We could live on the moon if we wanted to... no reason we couldn't recolonize earth even as bad as it can and will get.. So long as a blade of grass is growing on the planet, it will be far more hospitable than any place else we know.

Somewhere on this forum in the not distant past, someone posted a link to a presentation that examined the economics and physics involved in growing food under LEDs.  The net conclusion was that the electricity costs are generally prohibitive for staple crops.  Better to use natural light, rather than covering a comparable acreage in solar panels to get the electricity.

One could imagine scenarios in which vast acreage is useless for agriculture (say, after a nuclear exchange) and food is much more precious (say, after a nuclear exchange).  So, that wouldn't be the last word on the subject.

All my designs have these greenhouses in the top floor so as to allow as much sunlight as possible as well as artificial lighting... Power via solar or wind or whatever is something we know how to produce so whatever amount it takes becomes the minimal requirements!.
Self-sufficiency and Durability to disasters are the absolute keys to nearly any disaster you can think of such as War, economic collapse, pandemics, Global warming, quakes, volcanoes, Hurricanes... all of which put solar farms etc. and power grids at risk!

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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2018, 06:25:27 PM »
Tor, my understanding is that there is not predicted to be an increase in the numbers of tornadoes, but they will occur at times and places where they have not before (we are already seeing that). If you have other info on predictions wrt tornadoes, I would be most interested in any links you could provide on that! Thanks ahead of time.
What your write matches my understanding.

EA: my concern for fire (add hail to the concern) is for foodstuffs grown outside the fortress.  But I see you're foreseeing a (quazi-) biodome environment, with the outside world being relatively toxic.
Arctic ice is healthy for children and other living things.

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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2018, 09:04:28 PM »
Re: potatoes

Bigger bang for the buck compared to grains. But you need a buncha other things. Can't live off potatoes alone ...

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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2018, 09:27:06 PM »
I never said...

living of self sufficiently and off of 2 acres makes sense.

we should live like it is 1850.

potatoes, grains, and legumes should only be grown at large scale.

big time oops

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« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2018, 03:05:43 AM »
Re: potatoes

Bigger bang for the buck compared to grains. But you need a buncha other things. Can't live off potatoes alone ...

sidd
Add bacon bits, cheddar cheese, green onions and a very large portion of butter, now we have a balanced meal. ::)
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« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2018, 07:05:49 AM »
" bacon bits, cheddar cheese, green onions and a very large portion of butter "

pigs. cows. green onions are easy, in season ... it's surprising how late you can find em tho.

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Re: Policy & Solutions
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2018, 02:17:18 AM »
Note to admins.  You can see how this thread moves nowhere vs. when it was on the arctic sea ice section. Being 'Nice and tidy' on a dying world hinges upon taping more ideas than this:
Self-sufficiency and Durability to disasters are the absolute keys to nearly any disaster you can think of such as War, economic collapse, pandemics, Global warming, quakes, volcanoes, Hurricanes... all of which put solar farms etc. and power grids at risk!

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« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2018, 04:35:10 AM »
Eco-Author, Maybe there is some problem of scale . As a very determined individual or small family maybe you can figure out how to live on something close to zero carbon. I don't know any options that include any of the mechanical solutions you might prefer. Slave labor or slave mechanical labor is very addicting.
 If you can't think of how to live zero carbon as an individual how then does a village or a country do any better ? That is part our silence , we are plenty smart enough to realize we too are the problem.

Best idea I have heard on something that can scale is simply to pipe the effluents of all major coastal metropolis into anerobic ocean basins. We already dump the effluents so with some pipes we could at least send the carbon it contains where it won't come back for a very long time.
 

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« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2018, 03:19:49 PM »
Eco-Author, Maybe there is some problem of scale . As a very determined individual or small family maybe you can figure out how to live on something close to zero carbon. I don't know any options that include any of the mechanical solutions you might prefer. Slave labor or slave mechanical labor is very addicting.
 If you can't think of how to live zero carbon as an individual how then does a village or a country do any better ? That is part our silence , we are plenty smart enough to realize we too are the problem.

Best idea I have heard on something that can scale is simply to pipe the effluents of all major coastal metropolis into anerobic ocean basins. We already dump the effluents so with some pipes we could at least send the carbon it contains where it won't come back for a very long time.
 

If you are calling for a near ZERO or 80% reduction in CO2 output, one of the best ways I could suggest doing that is by having large multi-family homes with commercial grade shops in order to work productively right from a larger housing facility... No transportation required at all... no vehicle expense, no travel delays, no spread of plague... 10% more free time... all just by working from home... This is much more possible these days with advanced CNC machining and 3D printing which allows vital parts production right from a small garage... 30% of the engine parts of new newest helicopter engines are 3D printed... and the design has 95% fewer parts and last longer so just making these has more performance than most major cities helping produce one of the most vital disaster recovery needs: helicopters.  To think someday we'd be able to produce a jet engine in an apartment building is unheard of... ZERO traffic driving to work.  No fuel/CO2 emitions…. other than working at home/right down the block, you won't be able to achieve 80% reduction.
Self-sufficiency and Durability to disasters are the absolute keys to nearly any disaster you can think of such as War, economic collapse, pandemics, Global warming, quakes, volcanoes, Hurricanes... all of which put solar farms etc. and power grids at risk!

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« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2018, 03:24:27 PM »
20% more fuel efficient, TWICE as strong, 5% lighter, 855 parts to 12 (TWELVE)… 1/3rd 3D printed so we are talking a two generational leap in an entire sector of helicopters and regional aircraft not yet realized...  20% mind you is a good chunk of 80% needed overall!
Self-sufficiency and Durability to disasters are the absolute keys to nearly any disaster you can think of such as War, economic collapse, pandemics, Global warming, quakes, volcanoes, Hurricanes... all of which put solar farms etc. and power grids at risk!

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« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2018, 03:33:19 PM »
One thing surprising of technology is things have actually gotten a lot simpler... LED TV vs. days-of-old... LG smart-phones are just easy to make... far less parts than a old-style-phone... this has never been more true than in jet engines and is a hidden hallmark of F-22/35 type engines casting entire fan blade sections in a single piece and ultra high/never-before-seen-yet technology that allows them to burn far hotter.... While things have gotten a lot simpler... our ability to make them in nothing more than several small garages never having to drive through bad weather, suseptable to a bridge or road outage...



Other than the SUPER benefits from working at home, making things 20% more efficient, we also have a need for larger buildings with 98% lower outside surface area than an equivalent number of single family homes.... This Greatly reduces heat loss in the winter and heat gain in the summer to the point 80% less heating and cooling is needed.... Yeah, in such a massive/Efficiently-shapped home, you can get the type of performance you are looking for.  30% more free time in homes that can fit 12 charter coaches into its garage! 
Self-sufficiency and Durability to disasters are the absolute keys to nearly any disaster you can think of such as War, economic collapse, pandemics, Global warming, quakes, volcanoes, Hurricanes... all of which put solar farms etc. and power grids at risk!

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Re: Policy & Solutions
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2018, 05:08:37 AM »
Sometimes graphs and charts don't convey the urgency of our situation enough.  We are a very visual society who relates to many movies and graphics... Maybe something like these can help convey the dangers... As a writer, we must justify our measures with as many combined dangers that face us.  Sometimes a single deliberate solution is just good for all high enough up the ladder
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« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2018, 05:09:42 AM »
As GRAFFIC AS POSSIBLE this one is just below the one above in the callage:
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« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2019, 07:02:44 PM »
Here's three solutions you might not have thought of:https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/06/10/three-surprising-solutions-to-climate-change/#600b5de26742

Finland will have to slash logging even further:
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/ecology/2019/06/finland-must-further-reduce-logging-preserve-carbon-sink-environmental-institute
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