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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2018, 07:26:00 PM »
How much CO2 is that?.......Sorry, I forgot. Would you mind telling me again, or have you forgotten yourself....
First, I calculated my emissions & can calculate them anytime & even more accurately than you. Nothing to forget. From your own words, it appears you take someone else's calculations, apply them to yourself, & then forget the numbers.
 Neven's continual highlighting the emissions of someone gaining 45MPG, totally avoids the rampant misuse of carbon resources by private citizens who chose 10MPG vehicles to transport one driver. Racers can get less than 3-4MPG. The greatest American wastes in driving vehicles is most clear in 1) the "sport" of mudders, the use of 6000HP vehicles to run through a mud bowl, 2) incredible machines operating in "Tractor Pulls" & 3) drag racing. Of course, tire & engine pollutions from the "sport" of drifting are totally unacceptable.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2018, 04:46:30 AM »
All the motor-sports you allude to are enjoyed by the participants, who burn a bit of gas, but their emissions are a tiny drop in the bucket compared with the fuel burned by the thousands of spectators who drive hundreds of miles to watch.  And if they aren't driving to watch motorsports, they are driving to watch the Big Bucket or some other similar 'sporting' misadventure.   Don't fret.  Mother nature will sort it out.  We will all be walking (under umbrellas) soon enough.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2018, 01:59:20 PM »
Couldn't find this one in this thread.


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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2018, 03:18:52 PM »
Monbiot just has a piece out on the Grauniard:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/14/earth-death-spiral-radical-action-climate-breakdown

Alas he mentions the Younger Dryas rapid cooling event. Do we have any comparable scenario like this today? Perhaps some rapid mega freshwater discharge from Antarctica? I doubt. (Alas forum member ASLR has quit...)
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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2018, 04:36:43 PM »
Science seems to be OT nowadays, ASLR started a thread about Dansgaard-Oeschger/Heinrich Events in 2013:
Supporting Paleo-Evidence/Calibration for WAIS Collapse Hazard Scenarios
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,130.0.html
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In my next series of posts, I will explore this postulated Heinrich/D-O periodic chaotic strange attractor pattern, superimposed on a longer-term global warming trend; and also how the repeated collapse of the WAIS during past interglacial peak periods has gouged troughs in the West Antarctic seafloor that increase the risk of the collapse of the current WAIS.
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« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2018, 06:45:49 PM »
In the forlorn hope that this post is not lost amongst all those about which dictator killed the most people...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/17/thousands-gather-to-block-london-bridges-in-climate-rebellion
Scores arrested as thousands block London bridges in climate rebellion
Protesters close five main bridges across Thames over extinction crisis in huge act of peaceful civil disobedience

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Forty-five people have been arrested as thousands of demonstrators occupied five bridges in central London to voice their concern over the looming climate crisis.

Protesters including families and pensioners began massing on five of London’s main bridges from 10am on Saturday. An hour later all the crossings had been blocked in one of the biggest acts of peaceful civil disobedience in the UK in decades. Some people locked themselves together, while others linked arms and sang songs.

By 2pm the blockade of Southwark Bridge had been abandoned and protesters moved from there to Blackfriars Bridge, where organisers said they were soon to move west towards Westminster Bridge.

Demonstrators occupied Southwark, Blackfriars, Waterloo, Westminster and Lambeth bridges.

The Metropolitan police said all the bridges had since reopened. A spokesman said: “There have been over 70 arrests for obstruction of the Highway Act and Bail Act offences.

Extinction Rebellion, which cites the civil rights movement, suffragettes and Mahatma Gandhi as inspirations, said smaller events took place in other UK cities as well as overseas on Saturday.

Organisers say they are planning to escalate the campaigns from Wednesday, when small teams of activists will “swarm” around central London blocking roads and bridges, bringing widespread disruption to the capital.

“Given the scale of the ecological crisis we are facing this is the appropriate scale of expansion,” said Bradbrook. “Occupying the streets to bring about change as our ancestors have done before us. Only this kind of large-scale economic disruption can rapidly bring the government to the table to discuss our demands. We are prepared to risk it all for our futures.”
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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2018, 08:20:06 PM »
On the other side of the Channel, 240'000 people protested against the gasoline price hike.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2018, 12:38:53 AM »
To paraphrase Marie Antoinette ...

"Let them drive Teslas"
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« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2018, 09:01:10 AM »
To paraphrase Marie Antoinette ...

"Let them drive Teslas"

This is a good description of the social situation. There are people who are so rich that they can have a fully powered renewable modern comfort (excepted for the plane and the yacht) and very proud of it, and others don't know how to make it until the next paycheck. I believe that a little bit of solidarity will be needed if we want to achieve the energy transition. The dream of unlimited consumption and comfort is also driven by the behavior of the upper class.

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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2018, 01:47:49 PM »
One of the greatest political speeches ever?

https://twitter.com/keith__johnston/status/1073928714189189120

From GretaT@COP24
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein

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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2018, 02:37:17 PM »
More from Greta, referencing Stefan Rahmstorf:

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1074051128051073025

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This is what we have to do. This is what have to focus on every hour of every day. This is everybody’s moral duty. Starting today.
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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2018, 09:57:03 AM »
Q: "How do you view humanity's present situation in terms of the climate crisis and our attempts to deal with it at the UN climate negotiations?"

NOAM: Well, we face a very serious dilemma. A stark, cruel dilemma. On the one hand there is a severe, dire crisis. Dealing with it cannot be delayed. It's the most important issue that has arisen in human history. This generation - in fact today's leaders and people - will make a decision as to whether organized human society can survive in any decent livable form. It's no less than that.

That's one horn of the dilemma. The other horn of the dilemma is that we have to face the reality of the world. We have to find ways of reacting that are not only justified, but are also feasible and effective.

So, for example it would be entirely justified to send the most powerful person in the world, the President of the United States to The Hague for trial for severe crimes against humanity. And many lesser figures as well. That would be justified. (But) It's not feasible, it's not effective. To choose approaches that are feasible and effective, we have to recognize the reality of the situation we face and adjust our approaches accordingly. [...]

No one's gonna brought to the Hague. But recognizing that it would be legitimate and justified is an important way of helping the people comprehend the enormity of what is happening before their eyes. We should always bear in mind the slogan that Antonio Gramsci made famous: "We should have pessimism of the intellect, but optimism of the will." It has never been more important than it is now.



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This is an emergency situation – action is urgent.
Our Government isn’t acting in accordance with what science and history tells us.
Therefore our Government is criminally negligent.
We have a moral duty to rebel, whatever our politics.
History shows us that peaceful civil disobedience is an effective way to bring about change.
Our lives have meaning when we follow our conscience and fight to protect what we love.
We ask others who feel the same way to join our peaceful Rebellion.
Solving Climate Change means changing 'The System' because nothing changes when nothing changes.
Each one of us must consider our deepest values, proceed to act from this standpoint alone, ignoring other voices of illusion, false hope, and distraction that might threaten to throw us off course.

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« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2019, 11:27:44 AM »
Chris Hedges gets full-on 'medieval' with the climate denying 'Christian right' and corporate rape of the planet.

Confronting the Culture of Death
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/chris-hedges/83130/confronting-the-culture-of-death
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Re: Extinction Rebellion
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2019, 08:45:48 PM »
Extinction Rebellion comes to the US:

Il faut comparer, comparer, comparer, et cultiver notre jardin

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« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2019, 11:48:06 PM »
Students Are Preparing for the First Major U.S. Climate Strike Next Month
https://earther.gizmodo.com/students-are-preparing-for-the-first-major-u-s-climate-1832260725

... “We now have to start being more direct. We’re not going to get anything done if we keep going by the rules”
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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2019, 05:27:30 PM »
Climate Change: Young People Striking from School See It for the Life-threatening Issue It Is
https://phys.org/news/2019-02-climate-young-people-school-life-threatening.html

Today's young people are the first generation to have lived their entire lives under the threat of catastrophic climate change. They're now positioned as future leaders, forced to take urgent action on an issue which older generations have lacked the political will, organisation and authority to address.

... This contagious sense of young people caring and daring to stand up against climate inaction became one of the most salient and hopeful findings of the Climate Change and Me project. And now, we see this finding playing out on a larger scale: while climate change is darkening young people's lives, along with their prospects for a liveable future, we see children and young people using powerful and creative tactics to claim a voice and a political platform in society, and confront the greatest challenge of our age.
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