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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #5050 on: September 04, 2019, 09:50:47 PM »
I've been deleting a lot of posts by Gumbercules because they only lead to nothing good, but I thought there was a very funny contradiction in two subsequent comments:

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Leftists do not care about coherence. They don't care about anything but power. They resent the fact you even have the right to express your opinion. And you can feel it. They HATE you. And if we give them power they will murder you, as history proves they do.

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The special prosecutor is a traitor and if there were any justice in this world he's be executed in public.

It would seem Gumbercules is a leftist.  ;D

Sorry, Gumbercules, but I just had to share this.
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« Reply #5051 on: September 10, 2019, 07:19:00 AM »
I've been deleting a lot of posts by Gumbercules because they only lead to nothing good, but I thought there was a very funny contradiction in two subsequent comments:

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Leftists do not care about coherence. They don't care about anything but power. They resent the fact you even have the right to express your opinion. And you can feel it. They HATE you. And if we give them power they will murder you, as history proves they do.

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The special prosecutor is a traitor and if there were any justice in this world he's be executed in public.
It would seem Gumbercules is a leftist.  ;D

Sorry, Gumbercules, but I just had to share this.

And it would seem that you, Neven, are not.
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« Reply #5052 on: September 10, 2019, 11:41:21 AM »
"he's be executed" << is this even correct grammar?
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« Reply #5053 on: September 10, 2019, 04:37:21 PM »
"he's be executed" << is this even correct grammar?


His slubberly execution killed any extant expectation of erudition. ::)
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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #5054 on: September 11, 2019, 09:10:07 PM »
How Vladimir Putin’s Regime Uses the Climate Crisis to Get Rich
https://thewalrus.ca/corruption-how-vladimir-putin-regime-uses-the-climate-crisis-to-get-rich/
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« Reply #5055 on: September 16, 2019, 05:40:34 PM »
Why Russia is ambivalent about climate change
https://www.economist.com/europe/2019/09/15/why-russia-is-ambivalent-about-climate-change
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Climate focus: Global warming is not all bad, some Russians unfortunately reckon
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« Reply #5056 on: September 16, 2019, 06:29:53 PM »
Russia hacked the FBI to prevent the bureau from being able to track Russian spies in the US
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-hacked-fbi-to-prevent-tracking-russian-spies-us-report-2019-9

- The move enabled the Russians to evade being surveilled and to communicate with human sources. It also gave them the opportunity to collect information about their pursuers. And it reportedly prompted concerns among officials that there was a Russian asset within the US intelligence community.

- Yahoo News reported that Russia's hack of the FBI's communication systems was a key reason why former President Barack Obama's administration kicked out 35 Russian diplomats and shuttered two Russian diplomatic facilities in December 2016.

- Russia and the US have ramped up their counterintelligence and cybersecurity operations against one another in recent years and tensions between the two countries continue to mount.
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« Reply #5057 on: September 29, 2019, 06:41:31 AM »
Did I say "information warfare" somewhere on this thread?
(Here is some engineering quality manager's delight: A Soviet system switchboard, with a ladder ready-to-hand (*), in a Ukrainian power station hacked by Russians. Much safer than American power stations (apropos Rachel Maddow being hysterical hahaaaaaaaaaaahahaha... :) ))
(Plus, some paradigmatic specimens of hackerz (autism spectrum, psychopathy, ?)...)
{ca. 35m}

Possibly the first instance when I turned down YouTube playback speed. And it was for Putin (1h16m ff. standing next to a grinning Macron) pondering cyberspace and the atom bomb.

This one is in German, but there's also a French version somewhere.


{Should be cross-posted in the "Examples of ... Journalism" thread here, which I promise to not touch.}

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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #5058 on: October 01, 2019, 02:58:22 PM »
So, (e.g. video above) Ukraine is a nexus in the Russiagate complex - in several respects. You have to go back to Hitler and Stalin to get the full Ukraine picture (plus, study chernozem soil). But for this very moment, Rachel Maddow's latest summa is good enough:

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« Reply #5059 on: October 19, 2019, 08:33:22 PM »
Johnstone on Hilary attacking Tulsi:

"One doesn’t have to actually have any formal relationship with the Kremlin to be a Kremlin asset. One doesn’t have to know they’re a Kremlin asset to be a Kremlin asset. The Kremlin doesn’t even need to know one is a Kremlin asset for them to be a Kremlin asset. Nothing has to have happened except the accusation of being a Kremlin asset."

"does the Kremlin’s bidding without realizing it by sharing ideas and information which the Russian government agrees with. Which is just another way of saying that they hold positions which diverge from the microscopic Overton window of establishment-authorized opinion"

"it is now literally impossible for an American political figure to vocally oppose US warmongering without being labeled a Russian asset."

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/10/19/russian-asset-is-a-meaningless-noise-war-pigs-make-with-their-face-holes/

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« Reply #5060 on: October 21, 2019, 09:47:36 PM »
^^
Does this mean that Bolton, McCain, and Hillary are to be regarded as Kremlin liabilities? Shouldn't we also consider them all as part and parcel of the MIC that Ike warned us of so many decades ago?


In this particular instance, I like Ike.
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« Reply #5061 on: October 22, 2019, 07:04:54 AM »
Hillary made this statement :

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“I’m not making any predictions, but I think they’ve [Russia] got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate,” and
“She’s the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.

in a transparent reference to Tulsi Gabbard.

Tulsi has been treated favorably by the Russian state press RT and Sputnik and by Fox News too, where she frequently appears on the Tucker Carlson show.

So there is some truth to these 'favorite of the Russians' and 'grooming' and 'eye on somebody' remarks.

But we'll see. If Tulsi runs as a third party candidate, Clinton's remarks would prove to be quite prophetic.
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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #5062 on: October 22, 2019, 04:05:51 PM »
Nice McCarthyite smearing of a veteran with an anti-war message. Which psychopath will you be quoting next?
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« Reply #5063 on: October 22, 2019, 04:14:42 PM »
Wait, going to Iraq to kill people is considered good now?
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« Reply #5064 on: October 22, 2019, 06:27:40 PM »
Wait, going to Iraq to kill people is considered good now?

First of all, you're distracting from what we're talking about here. But I guess it's on-topic, because Russia is the number one distraction.

Second, it's better than being buddies with Trump, right? Because he's like the worst fascist since Adolf Hitler, if I'm to believe the mainstream media.

Third, Tulsi Gabbard never went to Iraq to kill people (she was a medic). But even if she did, she was sent there (by warmongers like GWB and Hillary Clinton), just like many other brainwashed, young people. And while there, she came to the realisation that regime-change wars are terrible and terribly stupid, which is one of the reasons she went into politics.

Fourth, whatever our stance as Europeans on American militarism, Rob Dekker lives in the US, and in the US it is not done to speak ill of veterans. Remember when Trump went after that Gold Star family? But I guess it's okay to imply or outright state that a veteran and sitting congresswoman is a Russian asset or agent even, just because she doesn't parrot your neoliberal, neocon, warmongering narrative.

Fifth, accepting smears of people with an anti-war stance (which you seem to do), paves the way for further smearing and distracting from the real issues. They did it to Bernie too, and they'll do it again really soon. Don't let yourself be manipulated this easily.
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« Reply #5065 on: October 22, 2019, 07:05:40 PM »
Second, it's better than being buddies with Trump, right?

Actually, no. Killing people is worse than attending a wedding. I can't believe that i have to state the obvious.

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Third, Tulsi Gabbard never went to Iraq to kill people (she was a medic).

OK, i didn't know that. That's a plus for her i guess.

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But even if she did, she was sent there (by warmongers like GWB and Hillary Clinton), just like many other brainwashed, young people.

Imagine there is war and no one is going...

I don't know who i despise more, the warmongering leaders who send people to kill, or the people following those warmongerers to kill people. In the end, they are both making war.

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And while there, she came to the realisation that regime-change wars are terrible and terribly stupid, which is one of the reasons she went into politics.

Then why is she looking away when it comes to Kashmere? Why is the warmongering Modi not a problem in this logic?

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Fourth, whatever our stance as Europeans on American militarism, Rob Dekker lives in the US, and in the US it is not done to speak ill of veterans.

That's correct. It doesn't make it right though!

Every soldier is a potential murderer. I prefer a world with fewer murderers.

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Remember when Trump went after that Gold Star family? But I guess it's okay to imply or outright state that a veteran and sitting congresswoman is a Russian asset or agent even, just because she doesn't parrot your neoliberal, neocon, warmongering narrative.

I don't attack her on that ground. My arguments are valid. Read back if you don't believe it!

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Fifth, accepting smears of people with an anti-war stance (which you seem to do), paves the way for further smearing and distracting from the real issues. They did it to Bernie too, and they'll do it again really soon. Don't let yourself be manipulated this easily.

I did nothing of sort.

I will continue to use valid arguments even if they were spoken out by a right-winger before. The validity of an argument is not dependent on how is using it.
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« Reply #5066 on: October 22, 2019, 10:56:47 PM »
Taibbi at rollingstone: Everyone is foreign scum

"Hillary Clinton is nuts. She’s also not far from the Democratic Party mainstream, which has been pushing the same line for years."

"An MSNBC panel noted, in apparent seriousness, that Gabbard “never denied being a Russian asset.” "

"Everyone is foreign scum these days."

"that’s pretty much the whole spectrum of American political thought, excepting MSNBC Democrats. What a coincidence! "

"Democrats now are assuming the role once played by Republicans of the Tom Delay era, who denounced everyone opposed to the War on Terror as “Saddam-lovers.” "

"The #Resistance has come up with all sorts of words for such fifth-columnists and deviationists: they are “false-balancers” or “false equivalencers,” “neo-Naderites,” “purity-testers,” “both-sidesists,” “whataboutists,” “horseshoe theorists,” “Russia skeptics” or “Russia denialists,” and “anti-anti-Trumpers.”  "

 “All roads lead to Putin.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #5067 on: October 22, 2019, 11:26:16 PM »
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« Reply #5068 on: October 22, 2019, 11:36:07 PM »
Sounds like a little McCarthyism sneaking back into Democratic politics. Does anyone have a list of all of the "Putin Assets" running for election? Anyone ready for sworn Loyalty Oaths?
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« Reply #5069 on: October 22, 2019, 11:43:08 PM »
The Clintons are Russian assets, FCS. They're assets of any country that has oligarchs.

Russia is not our enemy, concentrated wealth is. Tensions between the US and Russia need to be reduced as fast as possible, so they can start to work together to solve planetary crises. And Russia really needs help with their dependence on fossil fuels.

It's as simple as that, unless you're not taking AGW seriously and are only intent on wasting time.
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« Reply #5070 on: October 22, 2019, 11:56:56 PM »
^^
Ramen!


All I'd add is that China needs to be seen as part of the solution.
We're going to play cold war games until it gets too hot to continue the farce.
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« Reply #5071 on: November 04, 2019, 11:00:37 PM »
A Scottish investigation finds that the Integrity Initiative, a program under the Institute for Statecraft running as a Scottish Charity provided 'no public benefit' in it's campaign to counter supposed Russian disinformation by publishing Anti-Russian disinformation.


https://www.moonofalabama.org/


(The comments are interesting)


It's a step in the right direction, a small step admittedly, but it us in the right direction.
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« Reply #5072 on: November 22, 2019, 12:23:53 AM »
And Russia really needs help with their dependence on fossil fuels.
Last time they asked for help was Exxon/Tillerson to help them drill the Arctic. :)
Akmost the whole Russian economy is built on business that has no future. Putin and friends are stuck in industry of the past on which they had built their fortune and power. Good luck helping them out of that hole. Like, helping the Saudi out of their oil money addiction?
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« Reply #5073 on: November 22, 2019, 12:55:12 AM »
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Almost
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« Reply #5074 on: November 22, 2019, 06:41:30 AM »
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Almost
Almost?


Has the percentage of Russian fuel exports in the Russian GDP been increasing or decreasing? Is energy an increasing percentage of Russian trade?
Not a trick question, but possibly a tricky question.
I know Russia is now the world's leading exporter of wheat, and that their arms sales (especially of defensive missile systems) have been expanding rapidly.  I understand that Siberian factories are now manufacturing for the Chinese market and that the deflated Ruble has increased Russian penetration in other markets, but their gas exports to China and Europe have also expanded, with big increases to both markets expected on the near horizon.


The sanctions have served to bring a lot of production home & that's hard to put into the mix. Where once energy was exported to pay for finished goods from another country, today the same energy may be used in Russia for manufacturing a similar product, now made in country for domestic consumption.
Statistics from before the sanctions need to be massaged before they can be compared to today's numbers. Knowing just how to do so accurately is well beyond my paygrade.


Russia's gold reserves have grown far more rapidly than any other nations & her foreign reserves put her close to the top among competing nations. The lopsided balance of trade advantages since sanctions and the devaluation of her currency have made the Russian Federation an economic powerhouse. If viewing Russia as "a service station masquerading as a country" was accurate when McCain uttered the phrase, it's certainly not accurate now.


The drastically lower Ruble has discouraged Russians from buying abroad, and has skewed her GDP when measured in American Dollars, but the buying power of the Russian people has never been higher. There is little comparison with Saudi Arabia. They truly are a one trick pony dependent on a single asset. (and that's being drained, rather than 'stranded')


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« Reply #5075 on: November 22, 2019, 01:54:18 PM »
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Akmost the whole Russian economy

Almost
Almost?


Has the percentage of Russian fuel exports in the Russian GDP been increasing or decreasing?
I found data from 2013 and 2015 from different sources - not enough to see a trend:

Wikipedia: "In 2015, Russia main exports are oil and natural gas (62.8% of total exports), ores and metals (5.9%), chemical products (5.8%), machinery and transport equipment (5.4%) and food (4.7%). Others include: agricultural raw materials (2.2%) and textiles (0.2%).[181]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#External_trade_and_investment

U.S. EIA: "Oil and natural gas sales accounted for 68% of Russia’s total export revenues in 2013"
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=17231

Recent charts of oil and gas output here:
The Moscow Times 2019: "Russian Oil and Gas Output Continues Rising Despite Setbacks"
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/08/07/russian-oil-and-gas-output-continues-rising-despite-setbacks-a66739

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I know Russia is now the world's leading exporter of wheat,
According to wikipedia (loc.lincum) agriculture is 4.7% of Russian GDP. Doesn't sound that much, but I recall their dent on the world market being a factor in the Arab Spring 2010/11.

Methinks the rich soil of Ukraine (not just Stalin's industrial heartland) is a major factor in Russian geostrategic thinking /paranoia. Not much new since Hitler vs. Stalin, except new theater furniture...

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If viewing Russia as "a service station masquerading as a country" was accurate when McCain uttered the phrase, it's certainly not accurate now.
The late McCain channeling the late Heidegger's gas station? :)  (*)
But yes, methinks that's almost the picture.

Then, of course, Russia has excellent engineers. (I've met some at work, my favorite co-workers, incl. contacts with a Russian software company from Samara. Elderly Russian engineers can build a computer out of shoe strings. (Actually it was a meta-OO plain-SQL DB scheme with less than 20 tables...))

My impression is, Putin has mostly bet on the "gas station" aspect when shaping his Russian economy. And that's also where his oiligarchs made their money. High tech seemed not that important to him.

Case in point: Arctic oil drilling. They needed tech help from outside. Despite the mega engineering brilliance and effectiveness that Russia (as a culture) can muster, their (Putin's) oil rigs seem outdated and crumbling. (As often happens with state owned infrastructure. Here they haven't learned from Soviet experience. See also: Venezuela.)




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« Reply #5076 on: November 25, 2019, 01:21:03 PM »
Conflict or cooperation? What is best to solve AGW? And what is best for o(i)ligarchs, wherever they may live? And when I say o(i)ligarchs, I, of course, mean concentrated wealth. The rich are not the problem, their wealth is.

Russia is not our enemy, concentrated wealth is. Tensions between the US and Russia need to be reduced as fast as possible, so they can start to work together to solve planetary crises. And Russia really needs help with their dependence on fossil fuels.

It's as simple as that, unless you're not taking AGW seriously and are only intent on wasting time.
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« Reply #5077 on: November 25, 2019, 01:54:51 PM »
Conflict or cooperation? What is best to solve AGW? And what is best for o(i)ligarchs, wherever they may live? And when I say o(i)ligarchs, I, of course, mean concentrated wealth. The rich are not the problem, their wealth is.
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Cooperation NOW is imperative. Conflict wastes too many funds that will otherwise be used , by both sides, to wind down the production and use of GHG emitting fossil fuels while still being able to provide for the needs of the citizenry.
If conflict drives the wealthiest nations of the world into 2, 3, or 4 competing camps a great deal of that competition will be in the production of fossil fuels.


The above doesn't address the total cluster screwing that even small hot wars add to the mix. And all out Thermal Nuclear conflict may save whatever minerals that remain from global warming, but there won't be any cognisant creatures to appreciate the reprieve. :'(
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« Reply #5078 on: November 25, 2019, 06:43:26 PM »
Non-cooperation is also imperative. Thou shalt not cooperate with TrumPuTillerson fossils. (Given the will to survive decently as a species.)
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« Reply #5079 on: November 25, 2019, 07:44:20 PM »
In self defense best practice would be to play dumb and pretend to cooperate and wait for the right moment to get rid of them.

Genuine cooperation with predators is suicide and fighing them as long as they are in a strong position is unwise.

People should be smart, not blunt and then the risk is that the idealistic illusionist think one belongs to them and is kissing their ass. That's a risk that is way smaller than the alternatives and anyways human-kind should learn to do less, the good and the bad, only to please others.

We should learn to think ethical and do what we believe is right because it'r right, not because we get bashed or earn disrespect otherwise or because we feel lonely, out of fear not to belong.

The herd of sheep running over the cliff following their leader is an old analogy that still is in full effect while openly refusing to run can be punished by the herd as well, hence it's important to run in the last row, watch them falling and make u turn just in time.

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« Reply #5080 on: December 07, 2019, 05:19:51 AM »
Malcolm Nance sums it up again. He already said it in 2016 before Trump got elected. Excellent interviewer.

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« Reply #5081 on: December 08, 2019, 01:38:45 PM »
How you can fall for this dumb shit is beyond me, Martin. That Malcolm Nance is such a money-grabbing, fear-mongering, spook idiot. Just google his name + Russiagate.

Please, don't post this kind of stuff anymore. It's just too transparently stupid.
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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #5082 on: Today at 01:05:27 AM »
Just google his name + Russiagate.
Sure the guy sounds a bit too American for non-Americans :)
No need to google. I first heard from Nance shortly after I started wondering independently (probing the Fakebook universe) what is going on, before the election of Trump. There were weirder Russiagaters. Most of Nance's stuff turned out right. That's my criterion.  Maybe too simple?  You just need to google me one serious example of error, and I drop Nance from the "serious analysts" shelf.
Google image search on my avatar image gives "wood". In fact it is the lower part of David Hilbert's tombstone.