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« Reply #200 on: January 05, 2020, 08:38:38 AM »
I was at a VFW tonite, shooting pool with some vet friends, some active military. Some with missing limbs, some with more hidden hurts.

To a man, they condemned the Soleimani assasination. Trump has lost their support. I think he may have just lost the election.

We shall see.

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« Reply #201 on: January 05, 2020, 08:58:49 AM »
Now is the time to change this. Now we have a chance. #SandersForPresident




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« Reply #202 on: January 05, 2020, 09:01:04 AM »
I think he may have just lost the election.

I think so too!

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« Reply #203 on: January 05, 2020, 12:52:45 PM »
^^
11 months is an eternity in the final run up to a Presidential election.


I hope you're right, but if things don't spin out of control militarily in the coming months I think that the perceived state of the economy will make or break Trump's chances for a second term.


I can't see Iran making any serious moves without Putin and Xi's backing. Xi's chosen battlefield is the marketplace & I think Putin will be quite happy with the status quo once Nord Stream 2 and the Turkish pipelines to Europe are completed.


Recalling James Carville's advice from the 1992 race, "It's the economy, stupid"
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« Reply #204 on: January 06, 2020, 06:02:54 AM »

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« Reply #205 on: January 06, 2020, 06:03:32 AM »

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« Reply #206 on: January 07, 2020, 11:05:32 PM »
To a man, they condemned the Soleimani assasination. Trump has lost their support. I think he may have just lost the election.

So, which Democrats are pounding this, and which ones are demanding a 'rationale'?
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« Reply #207 on: January 08, 2020, 12:39:44 AM »
Re:  which Democrats are pounding this, and which ones are demanding a 'rationale'?

the usual suspects ... Bide/Butt are warmongers as usual, Sanders/Gabbard stick to antiwar guns, Warren on the fence ...

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« Reply #208 on: January 08, 2020, 05:03:04 PM »
Re:  which Democrats are pounding this, and which ones are demanding a 'rationale'?

the usual suspects ... Bide/Butt are warmongers as usual, Sanders/Gabbard stick to antiwar guns, Warren on the fence ...

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« Reply #209 on: January 08, 2020, 05:47:07 PM »
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Warren on the fence

No, she's not! She's all there with the war propaganda.

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Soleimani was a murderer, responsible for the deaths of thousands, including hundreds of Americans. But this reckless move escalates the situation with Iran and increases the likelihood of more deaths and new Middle East conflict. Our priority must be to avoid another costly war.

Translates to: Yes, there is a reason to assassinate him (which there is not), but we should have done it covertly. The last sentence is a lie to pander to the voters. How do i know it's a lie? She voted for Trumps over-bloated military budget. Also, her plan to cut CO2 was to make the bombs greener, remember that one? She loves the military-industrial complex. She can't be trusted!

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« Reply #210 on: January 08, 2020, 10:26:48 PM »
Trump has fucked up, even Tucker Carlson says it, but will (Corporate) Democrats pound on it?



Kulinski at the end:

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Alright, Democrats, it's your move. I would resist this to the high heavens, man. I would... This would be the main issue I would talk about on the campaign trail if I was running for president. And if I was in Congress, I would just clobber the Republicans over the head with this. Because this is exactly what you fear it is: A criminal government, casually committing war crimes, because they want to get into a deeper war with Iran and overthrow the government and do regime change, because we want to serve our corporations and jack their oil, and feed the military-industrial complex.

True Democrats/Progressives pound on this immediately, Corporate Democrats will wait and see which way the wind blows. They'd rather not denounce anything and promise they won't start and continue endless wars, because of the bolded above. They serve concentrated wealth, just like Republicans.
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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #211 on: January 08, 2020, 10:40:45 PM »
Here is someone pounding it right away:

https://youtu.be/Ahv4nYd6fLI?t=328

This is how you get Trump out of office. Russiagate and Ukrainegate will keep him in it.

Who else has been pounding it right away?

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« Reply #212 on: January 19, 2020, 11:03:11 AM »
Be more like that guy >>

I canvassed first Bernie today. Only one person...

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... said they weren’t voting Sanders. Every other person we talked to said they were voting for Sanders!!! We were only out for a couple hours and I’d say we actually talked to like 15 people or so but I was just blown away by the level of support and positivity. This was the first time I’ve ever canvassed and I was so nervous but after just a couple houses I was having a blast! At our final visit, the man who was home invited us in because he said we HAD to talk to his girlfriend. He gave us beers while we waited for her to get home from work and had fantastic conversation with him and his family. We learned so much about our community and made valuable connections for the Bernie movement and beyond. Get out there people, it’s up to us!

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/comments/eqs4fz/i_canvassed_first_bernie_today_only_one_person/

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« Reply #213 on: January 19, 2020, 02:26:13 PM »
Sanders has been gaining recently, largely at the expense of Elizabeth Warren.  He will likely do well in the early states of Iowa and NH, but his support is not as widespread as Joe Biden.  Biden has a huge lead in the southern states, and could win the nomination outright.  Sanders best chance is for several liberal candidates to drop out (including Warren), and support his candidacy.  After her recent drop in the polls, she may just do so, in order for a liberal candidate to have a chance.  Even so, Sanders has an uphill battle.  Even if Biden cannot secure the nomination during the primary season, he has the advantage in a brokered convention.

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« Reply #214 on: January 19, 2020, 09:05:39 PM »
Hamby at Vanity Fair has a suggestion for the political media: get outta the coasts, get on the road

"the stories and micro-scandals that obsess political and media insiders—often played out in episodic fashion on Twitter—matter little to voters "

“They don’t trust CNN or Fox, see them as two sides of the same coin,”

"They don’t even trust what they read on Facebook anymore"

“Because for the people who are the most easily dissuaded from participation, it’s when you promise them the moon and can‘t deliver a single grain of sand.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/why-trump-has-huge-advantage-over-democrats-low-information-voters

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« Reply #215 on: January 20, 2020, 11:26:20 AM »
How it feels arguing for Bernie


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« Reply #216 on: January 21, 2020, 03:53:15 PM »
Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump in 16 seconds


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« Reply #217 on: January 28, 2020, 09:31:32 AM »
MLK & Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump - “Revolution of Values”


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« Reply #218 on: January 28, 2020, 09:55:49 AM »
NYT looks at Dayton and ohio and the country:

"In the 1990s there was no strong correlation between the economic standing of a place and the partisan preference of its voters: The Republican Party received roughly the same share of the vote in richer and poorer counties. By 2000, however, the electoral map had started to shift. "

"But by 2000, lagging places had turned sharply toward the Republican Party. "

"By 2016, the Republican Party won almost twice the share of votes in the nation’s most destitute counties — home to the poorest 10 percent of Americans — that it won in the richest. "

"By 2016, the nation’s political map corresponded neatly to the distribution of prosperity: Mr. Trump won 58 percent of the vote in the counties with the poorest 10 percent of the population. In the richest, his share was 31 percent. "

"the Democrats, once accused of working to keep the poor poor in order to preserve a captive voting base, have instead come to represent the places that benefited most from the global economy of the late 20th century and early 21st. "

"In a way Mr. Hoskins feels betrayed: In the face of economic insecurity, his loyalty to the union and the Democratic Party did not protect him. And the Republicans were an increasingly attractive alternative."

 “when it came time for the doors to shut at G.M., the Democrats weren’t looking out for me,”

" to the Democrats’ old working-class base, the Clinton administration’s embrace of international trade eventually felt like a sellout. "

"That new order held rewards for the well educated, but little future for the manufacturing jobs that had long been a path to economic security. "

" frustrated workers on the losing side of change no longer seem to trust Democrats to be their champions. "

 “a lot of union people switched to the Republican Party because they felt the Democrats had left them.”

“Dayton consistently showed up for Democrats, and Democrats didn’t show up for Dayton.”

" a sense of disillusionment among many African-Americans after President Obama’s two terms. “They expected so much would be accomplished under Obama, and it wasn’t,”  "

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/27/business/economy/republican-party-voters-income.html

Actually i think Ohio is on the edge. Might swing either way this time around.

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« Reply #219 on: January 30, 2020, 02:05:36 PM »
Kyle fucking nailed it with this one.

Trump Pulls Mafia Boss Move On Impeachment, Media Clutches Pearls


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« Reply #220 on: January 31, 2020, 05:25:53 AM »
AIPAC against Bernie: not electable

"ads don't focus on any of the AIPAC-front group's foreign policy positions "

"A consultant for health insurers and pharmaceutical interests using a front group named 'Democratic Majority for Israel' to attack the first potential Jewish presidential nominee "

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/29/out-touch-pro-israel-group-criticized-ads-hitting-bernie-sanders-electability

Mmmm. I guess the usual antisemitism attack is a tough sell when the target is Jewish ...

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« Reply #222 on: January 31, 2020, 05:56:58 AM »
AIPAC against Bernie: not electable

Imagine that, a foreign power does election interference in plain sight and no one opposes...

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« Reply #223 on: January 31, 2020, 06:23:13 AM »
America's Finest News Source: CBS to air Bloomberg ads

“We’ve had a great run with Mayor Bloomberg’s shorter ads, so we’re thrilled to welcome him into our lineup with a full series of hour-long episodic commercials,”

" Frankly, we’re willing to keep this running for as many seasons as the mayor would like."

https://politics.theonion.com/cbs-inks-deal-for-30-episode-bloomberg-ad-1841309602

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« Reply #224 on: January 31, 2020, 07:58:44 PM »
PSA concerning the 2020 elections.


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« Reply #225 on: February 04, 2020, 06:33:48 PM »
No, seriously. This is true!


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« Reply #227 on: February 05, 2020, 07:32:09 AM »
Why Iowa happened and why government websites suck

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The democratic caucus fiasco in Iowa is an example of an important thing:
Civic orgs, like the DNC or the government, need to stop using private contracting companies to build their closed source software. Democracy is at stake.

Link >> https://medium.com/@aslanfrench/why-iowa-happened-and-why-government-websites-suck-db1957ecb75f

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« Reply #228 on: February 05, 2020, 08:29:26 AM »
^^
Especially when Pelosi is financing the software!
https://freebeacon.com/politics/steyer-pelosi-pacs-funded-shadowy-group-behind-botched-iowa-app/
The hood news is that the Nevada Democrats have opted out of the app.
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« Reply #229 on: February 05, 2020, 08:58:41 AM »
Maybe this should be in the Corporate Democrats thread, I'm not sure yet:

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« Reply #230 on: February 05, 2020, 11:49:17 AM »
If you think the US is a democracy, watch this, and go away ashamed.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/comments/eyz9lw/check_this_out_fam/

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« Reply #231 on: February 05, 2020, 10:09:09 PM »
Lovegrove at Post and Courier: Republicans for Bernie !

"Boost the candidate who the Republicans believe presents the weakest general election threat to President Donald Trump and pressure Democrats to support closing state primaries in the future."

"South Carolina has open primaries, meaning voters do not have to register by party and can participate in either party's contest. But some conservative activists have long pushed to change that, arguing it would ensure a more pure party process, and they are hoping this effort will win over Democrats to that cause."

"I think we can easily affect the outcome,"

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-impact-sc-democratic-primary-by/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html

Strange bedfellows, indeed.

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« Reply #232 on: February 06, 2020, 01:45:00 AM »
Closed primaries and caucuses do the party no favors, as it limits who can vote for the candidates.

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« Reply #233 on: February 06, 2020, 04:05:30 AM »


Lol! I'd place them a bit differently, but not by much. but yeah, there's a definitive right-bias in their 'center'. Most prominent democrats in US would indeed go to center-right in Finland, too. And Bloomberg... Oh why?

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« Reply #234 on: February 06, 2020, 07:54:40 AM »
And Bloomberg... Oh why?

Because America! Because Freedom! ;)

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« Reply #235 on: February 06, 2020, 05:12:57 PM »
Remember these names!


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« Reply #236 on: February 06, 2020, 06:09:53 PM »
Remember these names!



What about the other 36 up for re-election?

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« Reply #237 on: February 06, 2020, 06:13:01 PM »
They didn't vote to acquit.

Walrus, please read this post >> https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1562.msg246150.html#msg246150

Point 3) is for you! :P

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« Reply #238 on: February 06, 2020, 06:36:01 PM »
Did someone actually believe that Trump would be impeached?


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« Reply #239 on: February 06, 2020, 10:01:38 PM »
Did someone actually believe that Trump would be impeached?


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« Reply #240 on: February 07, 2020, 01:06:02 AM »
Kyle Kulinski and simple logic of why impeaching Trump was so incredibly stupid and helping Trump to get a second term:

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« Reply #241 on: February 07, 2020, 01:27:28 AM »
Kyle Kulinski and simple logic of why impeaching Trump was so incredibly stupid and helping Trump to get a second term:

Agreed.  Along with the antics at th  Ed state of the union, the Democratic Party is looking as if they are spearheading the divisiveness in this country.  Time to pull it together, or his logic may come true.

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« Reply #242 on: February 07, 2020, 05:56:48 AM »
America's Finest News Source: Both parties run true to form

"both parties acting exactly how everyone expected them to had restored the nation’s faith in its political process."

"affirmed my belief that today’s U.S. government is working exactly as intended"

"I was really worried impeachment indicated that the American way of life for the last several decades was at risk ...  I’m just grateful that both parties were able to move past their differences and work together to uphold the American political system as we know it."

"it would have been devastating if the Senate removed Trump, which would fly in the face of what the founding fathers wanted when they inscribed the principle of a few rich men shielding each other from accountability into the nation’s Constitution."

https://politics.theonion.com/both-parties-acting-exactly-how-everyone-expected-them-1841477562

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« Reply #243 on: February 07, 2020, 07:55:11 AM »
On a general note:


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« Reply #244 on: February 07, 2020, 01:01:05 PM »
My mother could not stomach Trump or Hillary in 2016 and instead voted 3rd party. As of 2 weeks ago, she has for the first time in her life registered as a democrat.
Likely a vote for Biden in my home state. Baby steps. I'll keep breaking down those walls.
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« Reply #245 on: February 07, 2020, 01:07:00 PM »
Good luck, Ktb!

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« Reply #246 on: February 09, 2020, 08:48:39 AM »
Splendid rant by Street at counterpunch: fixed game but you gotta play

[Street:] "So what if Sanders’ proposals are conservative in relation to the savage scale of the inequality and environmental destruction ... ?"

"The Democratic establishment is determined to stop Sanders "

"corporate Democrats prefer to lose to ... the demented fascist oligarch Trump than to the moderately left wing of their own party."

"Butiggieg proclaimed himself the Iowa victor with zero precincts reporting last Monday night! How Juan Guaido was that?"

[Krystal Ball]: "The Democratic Party in Iowa has done more to undermine faith in our elections than Russia ever could. "

"Single moms arranged babysitters to participate in this caucus. Nurses gave up shifts, lost 12 hours of pay to participate in this caucus. People rolled in with their wheelchairs.  ... all that time, all that energy could be turned into a giant joke that makes everyone who participated in the process feel like a fool"

"the GOP and Democratic Party insiders seem to almost laugh at the rubes who take this whole thing as serious and sacred."

[Street;] “Democrats ... are afraid that American voters are going to interfere in the 2020 election.”

"sponsors prefer a second fascistic Trump term to a mildly progressive first Sanders one."

"Matthews then incredulously asked Turner is she really believed Bloomberg purchased his way into the presidential debates "

[Gilens and Page:] "the best evidence indicates that the wishes of ordinary Americans actually have had little or no impact on the making of federal government policy.  Wealthy individuals and organized interest groups – especially business corporations – have had much more political clout.  When they are taken into account, it becomes apparent that the general public has been virtually powerless"

[George Carlin:]"The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged ... it’s called the American Dream … ‘cuz you have to be asleep to believe it."

[Street:]" It makes no sense to give up: you lose nothing by believing ... you lose everything by not believing. "

"First, there’s an (admittedly slim) chance Sanders could prevail "

"Second, doing some work with the Sanders campaign puts you in contact with masses of people "

"Third, even if he doesn’t win, it’s good to make the screwing over of Sanders as transparent and instructive as possible."

[Zinn;] "We are not politicians, but citizens. We have no office to hold on to, only our consciences, which insist on telling the truth."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/07/the-game-is-rigged/

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« Reply #248 on: February 10, 2020, 08:27:53 AM »
Taibbi at rollingstone on Iowa: Yesterday’s really gone.

“They don’t even try to hide it.”

"It was all out war, between ... “the screwers and screwees.” It felt like the same kind of below-the-belt mudslinging progressives used to associate with Republican hitman Lee Atwater."

"In 1993, liberal America sang along at the Bill Clinton inaugural ball with Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks (and Michael Jackson, whoops)."

" the Blue Party was exposed as an incompetent lobby for doomed elites, dumb crooks with nothing left to offer "
“It was like he [Biden] was waiting for people to tell him what a wonderful person he was,”

"Democratic campaign events have long been more pep rally than discussion, more about the terribleness of Republicans than substance."

"mainstream Democrats may not have changed their policies or strategies much since Trump, but they sure are swearing more "

"there were signs everywhere that the party establishment was scrambling to find someone among the remaining cast members to stop what Kerry called the “reality of Bernie.” "

"But who? Yang said smart things about inequality, so he was out. Tulsi Gabbard was Russian Bernie spawn. Tom Steyer was Dennis Kucinich with money. "

"Was she [Warren] an outsider or an insider? A screwer, or a screwee? Whose side was she on?"

"“It’s like we all have PTSD from 2016,” she said. “There has to be somebody.” "

"Klobuchar is a pure distillation of “electability,” i.e. a Washington reporter’s idea of what a Midwesterner finds charming. "

"“It was like we were back in 2016,” Duffy said. “Except this was worse.” "

“If you’re a millennial, you basically grew up in an era where popular votes are stolen,”

“they’ll do anything to save their careers.

"DNC chair Tom Perez — a triple-talking neurotic who is fast becoming the poster child for everything progressives hate about modern Dems"

" the overall impression was a clown show performance by a political establishment too bored to worry about the appearance of impartiality.  "

“Is it incompetence or corruption? ... I’m not sure it matters. It could be both.”

"Following the wipeout 49-state, 512 electoral vote loss of Walter Mondale in 1984, demoralized Democratic Party leaders felt marooned, between the awesome fundraising power of Ronald Reagan Republicans and the irritant liberalism of Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition."

"To get out, they sold out. A vanguard of wonks like Al From and Senator Sam Nunn at the Democratic Leadership Council devised a marketing plan: two middle fingers, one in each direction."

"They would steal financial support for Republicans by out-whoring them on economic policy. The left would be kneecapped via “triangulation,” i.e. the public reveling in the lack of choices for poor, minority, and liberal voters."

"Young pols like Bill Clinton learned they could screw constituents and still collect from them. What would they do, vote Republican? Better, the parental scolding of disobedient minorities ... combined with the occasional act of mindless sadism (like the execution of mentally ill Ricky Ray Rector) impressed white “swing” voters, making “triangulation” a huge win-win — more traction in red states, less whining from lefty malcontents."

"Democrats went on to systematically rat-fuck every group in their tent: labor, the poor, minorities, soldiers, criminal defendants, students, homeowners, media consumers, environmentalists, civil libertarians, pensioners — everyone but donors."

"What do you get when you cross a political party that’s sold out for decades, with an electorate that’s been abandoned and treated like trash? Answer: What you fucking deserve!"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iowa-caucus-democrats-disaster-trump-sanders-949655/amp/

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #249 on: February 11, 2020, 06:31:08 PM »
Feudalistic Dispute Between Two Reviled Nobles, 1098, Colorized

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Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point

Taliban Trump @realDonaldTrump: "WOW, BLOOMBERG IS A TOTAL RACIST!"

Bloomberg: "They are male, minorities, sixteen to twenty-five"