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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #500 on: September 03, 2020, 01:40:41 PM »
Trump will roll out the vaccine 11/1. The optics enabling his victory have been set by the media trying to ensure his defeat. The moon-shot will be presented as a major success, USA #1 ahead of all other countries, and the people who have been craving a vaccine (a ton of Democrats // OLD PEOPLE WHO DO INDEED VOTE) will thank him with said votes.

The CDC said states need vaccine sites ready by 11/1 today, hence....^

Or this could just be another backfiring project. There's no way testing will be done by then.
The left is dying for a vaccine and wants to implement it universally. Can you imagine the Democrats suddenly turning antivax when one is produced. lol. Even if it is fake the optics will play horribly. The same fake vaccines will be rolling out globally by November btw, so that will further legitimize "the fix".

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« Reply #501 on: September 03, 2020, 02:51:05 PM »
Meanwhile, Trump's encouraging people to try and vote twice, to check that the system is working. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/trump-people-vote-twice.html

Without mentioning, of course, that voting twice is illegal.

Not exactly.  Rather, it was a way to ensure that their vote counts.  If their absentee ballot was tabulated, then they would be refused at the polls.  If not, then they would be allowed to vote.  Either way, they are only voting once.

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« Reply #502 on: September 03, 2020, 03:26:42 PM »
NY Times says vaccine is coming. If the NYT is saying this and implicitly implying Trump is to credit, the swing nationally this election could be the largest since Reagan, IMO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/health/covid-19-vaccine-cdc-plans.html?

So, let's go through the pluses and minuses re: the average American voter this election.

Trump:

Saved stock market and overall economy through swift FED action
Backed national effort that produced vaccine
Stands up to China, which has now directly attacked the US re: possible biological weapon
Supports police and law and order and stands against rioting and looting
Most environmentally friendly president in US history, largest emissions decrease on record!

Biden:

Somewhere in a bunker
Senile
Hiding from virus
Killed old people by saying Hydroxychloroquine didn't work, poo-poo'd all other palliative care etc proposed by POTUS
Head of a party that hates police,
Picks prosecutor as VP
Head of a party that has imposed unconstitutional lockdowns at state level


If I was going to vote I would pick the former not the latter.

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« Reply #503 on: September 04, 2020, 02:16:23 AM »
WTF? I just turned off my music and put on MSNBC, and the chiron on MSNBC says that Trump said that people who died in wars are all ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’? Is this real? McCain wasn't a war hero either, right?

Trump's feelings must be hurt because of polling and a few commercials that the military is against him now...  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #504 on: September 04, 2020, 02:44:56 AM »
In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

When McCain died, in August 2018, Trump told his senior staff, according to three sources with direct knowledge of this event, “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral,” and he became furious, according to witnesses, when he saw flags lowered to half-staff. “What the fuck are we doing that for? Guy was a fucking loser,” the president told aides.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
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« Reply #505 on: September 04, 2020, 04:23:15 AM »
It's been said many times before, but calling dead American soldiers losers because they died fighting for their country? Is this the line he shouldn't have crossed?

Is Trump finally done?

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« Reply #506 on: September 04, 2020, 05:34:42 AM »
Is this the line he shouldn't have crossed? YES.

Is Trump finally done? NO.

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« Reply #507 on: September 04, 2020, 01:04:05 PM »
Why We Are Facing The Biggest Election Nightmare In Modern American History No Matter Who Ends Up Winning
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/why-we-are-facing-the-biggest-election-nightmare-in-modern-american-history-no-matter-who-ends-up-winning
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Right now, Trump and his supporters are convinced that Trump will win, and Biden and his supporters are convinced that Biden will win.

One side is going to be bitterly, bitterly disappointed, and they will almost certainly feel like the election was not won legitimately.

There is going to be so much anger, and when it explodes it is going to be very frightening to watch.

This is already such a dark chapter in American history, and this election is going to take things to an entirely new level.

Sadly, I believe that after November 2020 nothing in this country will ever be the same again.
People, I know Mike Snyder is not the most reliable source, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, and I am very afraid this is one of those two times.
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« Reply #508 on: September 05, 2020, 08:28:36 AM »
Now this is interesting: Suffolk U/USAtoday nationwide 1000 person poll sep 4

"If your candidate for president is NOT elected in November are you prepared to accept the outcome of the election as being fair and accurate?"

Republicans: 61/317 ~ 0.2
Democrats: 101/345 ~ 0.3

So one in three democrats wont believe Biden lost and one in five republicans wont believe Trump lost.

"Are you voting FOR your candidate or AGAINST his opponent?"

Republicans against Biden: 29/305 ~0.1
Democrats against Trump: 98/340 ~ 0.3

A third of the democrat Biden voters are voting against Trump,  a tenth of the republican Trump voters are voting against Biden

Trump has 42% of the voters and Biden has 47%. 

Now if you ask em who they think will be elected: 44% think Trump will be elected and 41% Biden.

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2020/9_4_2020_marginals_pdftxt_1.pdf?la=en&hash=82A2943123B520436F4F868C495DD85EA5CDE588

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2020/9_4_2020_tables_pdftxt_1.pdf?la=en&hash=D3CA68E8C4C8511FBE7BE4A26D60C717C859A38B

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #509 on: September 05, 2020, 03:58:13 PM »
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"If your candidate for president is NOT elected in November are you prepared to accept the outcome of the election as being fair and accurate?"

Republicans: 61/317 ~ 0.2
Democrats: 101/345 ~ 0.3

So one in three democrats wont believe Biden lost and one in five republicans wont believe Trump lost.
As I read this, two in three democrats wont believe Biden lost and four in five republicans wont believe Trump lost.
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« Reply #510 on: September 06, 2020, 12:26:28 AM »
No. Two in three democrats and four in five republicans  would believe "the outcome of the election was "fair and accurate" " even if their candidate lost.

The whole survey is interesting. I quoted only a few of the results, please see the original.

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« Reply #511 on: September 06, 2020, 12:48:26 AM »
Even so, I believe that is a historically high level of disbelief.
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« Reply #512 on: September 06, 2020, 06:09:39 AM »
Oh, i dont know. A surprising number of the people i know who dont vote hold the belief that the elections are rigged, and who can blame em after 2000 ? The rest seem to hold that voting doesnt matter because all politicians are crooks, and i really won't blame them either.

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« Reply #513 on: September 07, 2020, 07:34:46 AM »
Otterbein at politico: Pennsylvania got work to do

"Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf privately convened a group of Philadelphia Democrats recently to underscore the consequences of another vote-counting fiasco like the one that took place in the June primary."

"The city took more than two weeks to count all of its votes due to a massive surge in mail voting amid the coronavirus pandemic — and a repeat performance might make it unclear who won the presidential election"

" accentuated the fears that state Democrats have of the nation being forced to wait on Pennsylvania to call the election"

" a “red mirage”: It could appear as if Trump is leading on Election Night even if he lost because Republicans are more likely to vote in person than Democrats. "

“Can you imagine if we’re waiting on Pennsylvania and there’s still 300,000 uncounted votes in Philadelphia? Can you even imagine?”

"Election administrators in the city have said they were understaffed, underfunded, and lacking state-of-the-art equipment. "

"The GOP legislation would allow election officials to start opening mail ballots three days before Election Day. But Wolf opposes the legislation because it would limit the amount of time voters have to request the ballots."

" “Even with all that equipment, with nearly 400,000 ballots that we expect to receive, it's physically impossible that they will all be opened and scanned before the polls close on Election Day,” said Deeley. “The new reality is winners and losers are not going to be known at the end of the night.” "

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/03/pennsylvania-democrats-election-day-408147

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« Reply #514 on: September 18, 2020, 01:33:43 PM »
Krystal Ball: Can America SURVIVE Election Day?


I think the word they are groping for in this video is "No.".
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« Reply #515 on: September 18, 2020, 08:46:19 PM »
Trump Ad Asks People to Support the Troops. But It Uses a Picture of Russian Jets and Russian Troops.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-ad-asks-people-to-support-the-troops-but-it-uses-a-picture-of-russian-jets-414883



The ad, which was made by the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, features silhouettes of three soldiers walking as a fighter jet flies over them. The ad first appeared on Sept. 8 and ran until Sept. 12.

“That’s definitely a MiG-29,” said Pierre Sprey, who helped design both the F-16 and A-10 planes for the U.S. Air Force. “I’m glad to see it’s supporting our troops.”

He noted the angle of the aircraft’s tail, the way the tail is swept far back, and the spacing of the engines, along with the tunnel between them.

Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, confirmed that the planes are Russian MiG-29s, and also said the soldier on the far right in the ad carries an AK-74 assault rifle.

The Trump Make America Great Again Committee is run by both the Republican National Committee and the campaign.
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« Reply #516 on: September 19, 2020, 02:01:23 AM »
US Supreme Court: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg has died.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1307100704935424002
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« Reply #517 on: September 19, 2020, 03:20:42 AM »
Will McConnell have a new SC appointment ready by Monday? 2020 has been soul crushing
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« Reply #518 on: September 19, 2020, 06:25:34 AM »
The question is--will it galvanize the 'left' even more than it does the 'right'?
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« Reply #519 on: September 19, 2020, 12:28:11 PM »
Will McConnell have a new SC appointment ready by Monday? 2020 has been soul crushing
If so, won't they just say we should wait until after the election, like they did when Scalia died in 2016 iirc?
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« Reply #520 on: September 19, 2020, 12:52:38 PM »
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« Reply #521 on: September 19, 2020, 12:59:22 PM »
I thought the Dems in the Senate would filibuster (or whatever you call it) like the GOP did last time.
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« Reply #522 on: September 19, 2020, 01:18:38 PM »
They don't have the numbers to filibuster. Judicial votes need only 51 to pass (or 50-50 tie with Pence as the tiebreaker). Currently senate is 53-47 in favor of republicans. Need 4 to break party lines, if 3 or less Pence will tiebreak.
Also, McConnell can bring any vote to the senate floor that he wants at any time. Even if it would fail 1-99 he could still say he wants to hold a vote on it. It would just get filibustered and they would move on. So McConnell has the power to bring the SC nomination vote to the senate floor whenever, only needs 50 votes to pass it.

So far we have Murkowski (R-AK) who said she would vote no as recently as this Friday; Susan Collins (R-ME) claims it is "too close" to election day to hold a vote. https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/ruth-bader-ginsburg-death-live-updates/h_73403b4eaf42724ec9db79154591d223

Lindsay Graham (R-SC) in 2016 AND 2018 said that he would vote no if this scenario occurred. He has since walked that back. https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1307145653856985089

Chuck Grassley (R-IA) seems to be considering voting no. At the very least he is recommending against holding a vote. That does not mean that if a vote is held, he would say no. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/18/how-ernst-grassley-said-they-would-handle-supreme-court-vacancy/5831959002/

Mitt Romney (R-UT). Will the man who seems to have broken with republicans do it again? So far only a tweet stating that a "high level Romney insider says Romney will vote no." https://twitter.com/JimDabakis/status/1307120855454044160
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« Reply #523 on: September 19, 2020, 02:41:20 PM »
And from ABC news:

Donald Trump to put forth nominee to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in coming days: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trump-put-nominee-replace-justice-ruth-bader/story?id=73107862&__twitter_impression=true

Anybody surprised by this shit hasn’t been watching. Anybody voting for a Republican is supporting fascism.



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« Reply #524 on: September 19, 2020, 04:23:27 PM »
And from ABC news:

Donald Trump to put forth nominee to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in coming days: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trump-put-nominee-replace-justice-ruth-bader/story?id=73107862&__twitter_impression=true

Anybody surprised by this shit hasn’t been watching. Anybody voting for a Republican is supporting fascism.



The correct term for Nazi sympathizer is nazi.

Are you insane? The Democrats are encouraging riots in the streets, have shutdown all local businesses, and are willing to do it again if they haven't stopped it already. All while favoring AMZN, NYT, etc. By definition they are consolidating the state and corporations into a few behemoths a la Mercedes-Benz and BMW during the rise of the Nazis in Germany.

And they have armies of stooges like you, and vox_mundi, who repost propaganda from the WaPo (AMZN) and NYT (NYT) as if it had factual value and weren't designed to bolster the bottom lines of aforementioned FascistCorps which also have deep ties to the military-industrial complex (especially NBC and its affiliate networks).

Proposing a new Supreme Court justice is not a "Nazi" move and pretending like a Democrat would not do the same if they had a favorable Senate is to be blithely ignorant. Many American Democrats are useful idiots and have willingly demonstrated their tendencies towards banal evil in the wake of the manufactured pandemic restrictions. Hannah Arendt would be horrified.

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« Reply #525 on: September 19, 2020, 05:11:32 PM »
Are you insane?

Sure, if that's what you need me to be.

The Democrats are encouraging riots in the streets,

No

have shutdown all local businesses,

No

and are willing to do it again if they haven't stopped it already.


2nd shutdown may occur. No arguments there.

All while favoring AMZN, NYT, etc.

Posturing. I wouldn't say they are favoring Amazon. Dems want higher taxes on ultra wealthy and corporations. Sanders (independent but I digress) wants to break up banks and prevent monopolies.

By definition they are consolidating the state and corporations into a few behemoths a la Mercedes-Benz and BMW during the rise of the Nazis in Germany.

Amazon should be broken up. Mega corps should be broken up. Authoritarian Right leaders (term used in the context of Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians) are not the ones to do so.

And they have armies of stooges like you, and vox_mundi,

Baseless attack. Happy to be called a stooge, if it makes you feel strong. King stooge even.

who repost propaganda from the WaPo (AMZN) and NYT (NYT) as if it had factual value and weren't designed to bolster the bottom lines of aforementioned FascistCorps which also have deep ties to the military-industrial complex (especially NBC and its affiliate networks).

My post was from ABC which is owned by Disney FascistCorpsTM.

Proposing a new Supreme Court justice is not a "Nazi" move

Never said it was. Perhaps I should have placed that in a comment section of its' own. Do you disagree with the statement that a nazi sympathizer should be called a nazi?

and pretending like a Democrat would not do the same if they had a favorable Senate is to be blithely ignorant.

You Go High, We Go Low! - Republican Mantra circa creation of modern political parties.


Many American Democrats are useful idiots and have willingly demonstrated their tendencies towards banal evil in the wake of the manufactured pandemic restrictions. Hannah Arendt would be horrified.

Press X to doubt. Although that was after only a brief rifling through of her wikipedia page. I'd be happy to read some of her books, appears to be up my alley anyway.
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« Reply #526 on: September 19, 2020, 05:17:09 PM »
And finally, if you have had any doubts that Trump would be attempting to use the Supreme Court to keep himself in power, you have been duped. Horrendously so.

He is drooling at this. 3 SC appointments in the first term? That's a unicorn. 6-3 conservative loaded court. The next oldest justice, Breyer, was appointed by Clinton. Another 4 years of Trump makes a high likelihood of a 7-2 swing.
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« Reply #527 on: September 19, 2020, 06:51:01 PM »
Are you insane?

Sure, if that's what you need me to be.
DIS is fascist. LOL. You are blind.

DIS is a company that pumps out propaganda designed to brainwash and commercialize children. Ensuring they are watching screens as long as possible and literally draining their lives via thoughtless content that simultaneously encourages them to spend $, dress and think XYZ ways, etc.

Because they have amusement parks you would say "oh, BBR2315, you are but a grinch!". I would say, you are ignorant. And to act as if I am the silly one by saying "oh ABC owned by DIS which is totally a nice company and LOL they have stuffed animals and you are totes dumb" in as many words is equally eye-opening as it shows you are also brainwashed.

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« Reply #528 on: September 19, 2020, 07:50:55 PM »
The question is--will it galvanize the 'left' even more than it does the 'right'?

Hard to say.  This has typically been a larger issue for conservatives.  This was a bigger issue for the right in 2016, with the fear of tipping the court further left should Clinton win.  The court will shift further right no matter who nominates the next justice - it is just a matter of how much.

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« Reply #529 on: September 19, 2020, 07:57:03 PM »
And from ABC news:

Donald Trump to put forth nominee to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in coming days: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trump-put-nominee-replace-justice-ruth-bader/story?id=73107862&__twitter_impression=true

Anybody surprised by this shit hasn’t been watching. Anybody voting for a Republican is supporting fascism.



The correct term for Nazi sympathizer is nazi.

Why should anybody be surprised.  The Democrats would do the same.  Both parties have done so in the past, with 2016 being the sole exception to confirmation.  No previous president has ever declined to nominate a judge to the supreme court just because it was a election year.  This is not fascism, but democracy.  This is how it works.  The Republicans should not have blocked the nomination in 2016, and the Democrats should not block this one.  If you want to prove yourself to above your opponent, then do not act like them.  Otherwise the cartoon posted by Ktb should read, "when you go low, we follow you down."

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« Reply #530 on: September 19, 2020, 10:21:44 PM »
While I would say that Disney is much too large (Especially!!! after buying Fox), that does not make them fascist.

Pumping out propaganda? I'll give that a soft yes. The US government provides money for films that make the US military look good. That is propaganda. Making a princess movie that children enjoy is not propaganda.

Disney famously underpays their workers at amusement parks. That is messed up. I think those workers should unionize. I do not think Disney is a "nice company" (your quotes not mine). I think they should likely be split. I encourage it.

Your "quotes" of me seem to be wildly off. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Additionally, thanks for hyper-focusing on one small aspect of everything I bothered to respond to you about. And finally, I have (once again) refrained from insulting you in my posts. I ask that you do the same.

Yes my stupor, quite enjoyable with some soma!
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« Reply #531 on: September 19, 2020, 11:39:44 PM »
Both democrats and republicans do the bidding of the uber rich. The concentration of wealth has continued unabated during both parties control.

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« Reply #532 on: September 20, 2020, 12:33:14 PM »
You know, all year I have had a slide rule (back from pre-calculator days) with the cursor slowly millimetering along to show how many months were left till the election. I have the weeks counted off on my calendar. The reason I was doing this was because I looked forward to hearing the results. Whichever one won, I "knew" that, on November 4 I would at least know the winner and what the next four years would be like. Now it looks like I won't know November 5, and may not know in November at all.
In 2001 the World Almanac and Book of Facts published two presidential biographies because, at press time, they did not know if Bush or Gore had won. Something like that may happen in the 2021 edition.
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« Reply #533 on: September 20, 2020, 12:44:12 PM »
Trump wins election night, Biden wins in the following days/weeks as mail in voting is tabulated.

Although some fuckery may occur with trump trying to persuade the Supreme Court to halt mailed in ballot counting.
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« Reply #535 on: September 20, 2020, 01:36:48 PM »
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Although some fuckery may occur with trump trying to persuade the Supreme Court to halt mailed in ballot counting.
What do you think would happen if he did this, Ktb?
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« Reply #536 on: September 20, 2020, 05:46:33 PM »
I guess it depends if he succeeds with that approach or not.
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« Reply #537 on: September 20, 2020, 11:02:42 PM »
I wouldn't have thought an Icy Seas post would belong here, but it definitely does!

Election Work during a Pandemic
Posted on September 17, 2020 by Andreas Muenchow

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...I did not [know how elections actually worked] and thus decided to learn. I served as a sworn-in Election Clerk in the State of Delaware this week to collect first-hand experiences. I wanted to decide for myself rather than just “believe” or “dismiss” abundant disinformation propagated by Russian and American troll farms on social media. I wanted to answer for myself, if the American election system is safe, fair, and secure. My answer is a resounding yes for New Castle County, Delaware.
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« Reply #538 on: September 21, 2020, 04:20:52 AM »
Seth Abramson recently posted the attached list of nine steps that he believes that Donald Trump is planning on to steal the 2020 presidential (& VP) election by claiming fraudulent voting to pressure GOP state official to block otherwise valid electors so that no one gets 270 votes in the electoral college vote thus forcing a contingent election as described in the linked Wikipedia article.  As the voting to determine the next president would be determined in the House of Representatives with each House state delegation casting a single vote; which implies that they would elect Donald Trump as there are more GOP House state delegations than there are Democrat House state delegations.  Furthermore, Seth Abramson believes that the best way to stop Trump's Plan is to expose it as widely as possible so that at least one step of his plan is prevented and Seth suggests that Step 7 "Use GOP official to block electors" is the best place for the public to pressure state officials not to follow Trump's plan to block otherwise valid electors.

Spread the word.

Title: "Contingent election"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election

Extract: "In the United States, a contingent election is the procedure used in presidential elections in the event that no candidate wins an absolute majority of votes in the Electoral College, the constitutional mechanism for electing the president and the vice president of the United States. A contingent election for the president is decided by a vote of the United States House of Representatives, and the contingent election for the vice president is decided by a vote of the United States Senate.

The contingent election procedure, along with the other parts of the presidential election process, was first established in Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, and then modified by the 12th Amendment in 1804. During a contingent election, each House state delegation casts one en bloc vote to determine the president, rather than a vote for each representative. Senators instead cast votes individually for vice president.

All three contingent elections in the 1800s were held by the outgoing Congress, as, at the time, congressional terms ended/began on the same day as presidential terms. In the event of a future Electoral College deadlock regarding either the presidential election or the vice presidential election, it will be the incoming Congress holding a contingent election. This is because the 1933 20th Amendment changed it so that congressional terms now end/begin before presidential and vice presidential terms do."
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« Reply #539 on: September 21, 2020, 08:53:56 PM »
oranges first step is to accuse others of the crime he is about to commit. He has used this plan repeatedly to commit crime.

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« Reply #540 on: September 22, 2020, 01:35:35 AM »
Justice Department Deems New York City, Portland and Seattle 'Anarchist Jurisdictions'; Threatens Funding
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1240600

The Justice Department released a list of cities Monday that it has deemed "anarchist jurisdictions" under President Donald Trump's instructions this month to review federal funding for local governments in places where violence or vandalism has occurred during protests.

That memo directed Attorney General William Barr, in consultation with Office of Management and Budget Director Russ Vought and acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, to identify jurisdictions "that have permitted violence and the destruction of property to persist and have refused to undertake reasonable measures to counteract these criminal activities (anarchist jurisdictions)."

On Monday, the Justice Department labeled New York City, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle as such areas. It said it was still working to identify other jurisdictions that meet the criteria outlined in Trump's memo. The president has made ridicule of those cities a regular feature of his campaign appearances, and he has mocked their top officials for their responses to the violence that has taken place during the protests.

New York Attorney General Letitia James said in a statement Monday that Trump is "using the last few months of his presidency to sow more chaos, more hatred, and more fear," ... "This designation is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to scare Americans into voting for a commander-in-chief who is actually incapable of commanding our nation," she said, adding that Trump "should be prepared to defend this illegal order in court, which hypocritically lays the groundwork to defund New York and the very types of law enforcement President Trump pretends to care about."





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« Reply #541 on: September 22, 2020, 11:57:38 AM »
Mike Snyder is Right Wing so I know he is like the skunk at the picnic here, but his latest blog post brings up so many clouds over the election I didn't know it is scary, and I was already expecting a mess this November. Pennsylvania might throw out 100,000 ballots unopened and allow voting till the Friday after the election. There are other things in this post that worry me. He has links to where he gets this information, so it is not just him making stuff up. See here:

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/an-obscure-law-in-pennsylvania-could-result-in-100000-mail-in-ballots-being-thrown-out-without-ever-being-counted
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« Reply #542 on: September 22, 2020, 02:11:08 PM »
Mike Snyder is Right Wing so I know he is like the skunk at the picnic here, but his latest blog post brings up so many clouds over the election I didn't know it is scary, and I was already expecting a mess this November. Pennsylvania might throw out 100,000 ballots unopened and allow voting till the Friday after the election. There are other things in this post that worry me. He has links to where he gets this information, so it is not just him making stuff up. See here:

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/an-obscure-law-in-pennsylvania-could-result-in-100000-mail-in-ballots-being-thrown-out-without-ever-being-counted

A load of nonsense in this fear-mongering click-bait.  Items postmarked by the due date are considered timely submissions to the government, as with tax returns.  So it should be with ballots.  A reasonable deadline for receipt, say 3 days or so, is a practical necessity for timely  reporting of results.

Ballots are sent out with security envelopes.  The signature goes on the return envelope, often with a bar code for tracking.  If someone uses their own envelope, these security measures are gone, and the ballot cannot be assured of being genuine.  Of course it should be discarded.

We won't be assured of the election outcome on election night.  So what?  For most of US history, results weren't known for weeks.  That's exactly why we vote in November, but the winner takes office in January.  This never caused the Republic to fall before, so why should it now?  Where's the problem?

Don't fall for click-bait.  There are reasons why fringe authors remain on the fringe.  They're following a basic business model to keep their revenues up.  We don't have to buy what they're selling.

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« Reply #543 on: September 22, 2020, 02:30:09 PM »
My understanding of the article was that the votes could be mailed until Friday. Is that incorrect?
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« Reply #544 on: September 22, 2020, 02:43:45 PM »
My understanding of the article was that the votes could be mailed until Friday. Is that incorrect?

The author didn't clarify that, did he?  You suppose there's a reason he left that ambiguous, even misleading?  Better to gather clicks and readers.  Got to make people worried.  That's where the money's made, for a poor writer who can't find an actual job.

Why read these mercenary authors?  Why muck up this forum with their excrement?

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« Reply #545 on: September 22, 2020, 03:44:28 PM »
I was in a rush, I admit.
He explicitly said you could mail your vote after Tuesday, which is what really worried me. The link does not say that when I looked (it doesn't say otherwise, it is what is "ambiguous", not Snyder).
I will try to comment on the site again, I don't know if he will post it. I gave him another chance and I'm sorry I did.

EDIT: It shows how pessimal politics is in 2020 USA that I was willing to believe this. Here is the comment I tried to post:
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I posted a link to this on another forum, and they pointed out Pennsylvania is allowing the votes to be received three days after Election day, NOT postmarked.
This is the Second Time I was called out on this forum for linking to you. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This is too egregious for a mistake.
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« Reply #546 on: September 22, 2020, 04:39:41 PM »
Tom,

Yes, many states are availing ballots to be counted as long as they are postmarked by election day.  Pennsylvania is the center of a court case over a proposal to allow unsigned and spoiled ballots to be counted.  Each side is trying to manipulate the system to give them a competitive advantage come November.

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« Reply #547 on: September 22, 2020, 10:37:41 PM »
America's Finest News Source: Biden unleashes ground game

"ramped up his in-person efforts to get out the vote, members of the Joe Biden campaign reportedly went door-to-door Tuesday "

"Door-knocking is a core part of talking to supporters and getting our message out there"

"We explain to every potential supporter what a great candidate Biden is and how his vision for the country will make their lives better. We hope to get a commitment to vote, of course, but a little donation doesn’t hurt either"

"A lot of these people were Hillary [Clinton] supporters in 2016, but we’re not taking anything for granted"

https://politics.theonion.com/biden-campaigns-door-to-door-in-jpmorgan-chase-headquar-1845109310

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« Reply #548 on: September 23, 2020, 09:48:02 PM »


A jarring new report from The Atlantic claims that the Trump campaign is discussing potential strategies to circumvent the results of the 2020 election, should Joe Biden defeat Donald Trump, by first alleging the existence of rampant fraud and then appointing electors in battleground states where Republicans maintain a legislative majority, whom Trump would ask to bypass the state’s popular vote and instead to choose electors loyal to the GOP and the sitting president.

Following the casting of ballots and counting individual votes in a presidential election, the United States Constitution prescribes that the 538 electors who constitute the Electoral College cast their electoral votes, determining the winner.

Customarily, electors are chosen by popular vote, but nothing in the Constitution mandates that tradition, with Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 merely asserting that each state shall appoint electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.”

Since the late 1800s, every state in every presidential election has ceded the decision to its voters, but the Supreme Court affirmed in Bush v. Gore that a state “can take back the power to appoint electors.”

The Atlantic report claims that sources in the Republican Party at the local and national levels confirm “the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors” in red battleground states.

“The push to appoint electors would be framed in terms of protecting the people’s will,” an unnamed Trump-campaign legal adviser tells The Atlantic, adding, “The state legislatures will say, ‘All right, we’ve been given this constitutional power. We don’t think the results of our own state are accurate, so here’s our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state.’”

The chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party says, on the record, that he has discussed appointing loyal electors with the Trump campaign: “It is one of the available legal options set forth in the Constitution.”

A critical factor in the Trump campaign’s approach is delegitimizing mail-in and provisional ballots and any other votes that are not counted by the end of Election Day, Nov. 3rd, as those other votes are expected to heavily favor Biden.

Earlier this summer, Trump tweeted, “MAIL-IN VOTING WILL LEAD TO MASSIVE FRAUD AND ABUSE. IT WILL ALSO LEAD TO THE END OF OUR GREAT REPUBLICAN PARTY. WE CAN NEVER LET THIS TRAGEDY BEFALL OUR NATION.” Later, in a Twitter post in July, Trump wrote, “With Universal Mail-In Voting, 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history.” However, due to the coronavirus pandemic, 2020 will feature more voting by mail than any other election in history.

Earlier this week, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said he plans to spend the next six weeks urging the country to prepare for a “nightmare scenario” in which Trump declares himself the winner of the election and refuses to leave the White House. Thus, Sanders recommends states tally mail-in ballots as quickly as possible, urging them to begin processing and counting ballots before Election Day.

When The Atlantic asked the Trump campaign to comment on the quotes in the article, and about possible plans to take the unprecedented step of appointing loyal electors, the president’s deputy national press secretary, Thea McDonald, did not address the questions directly. “It’s outrageous that President Trump and his team are being villainized for upholding the rule of law and transparently fighting for a free and fair election,” McDonald said in an email. “The mainstream media are giving the Democrats a free pass for their attempts to completely uproot the system and throw our election into chaos."

When asked by Fox News’ Chris Wallace earlier this summer if he would accept the election results, President Trump said, “I have to see. Look, you — I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time, either.”

An investigation by Justin Levitt at Loyola Law School uncovered a total of 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States from 2000 to 2014.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/23/report-trump-campaign-actively-discussing-radical-measures-to-bypass-election-results/amp/



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« Reply #549 on: September 23, 2020, 09:49:39 PM »
The Atlantic is fake news.