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Re: The Keystone Pipeline
« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2015, 09:34:32 AM »

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« Reply #101 on: January 19, 2015, 02:58:20 PM »
Snarky 2-minute video on Canadian tar sands pipeline, in the style of David Attenborough.  Ouch. :-[
http://grist.org/list/watch-this-nature-doc-on-the-majestic-tar-sands-pipeline/
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« Reply #103 on: February 04, 2015, 10:49:09 PM »
New EPA review:  Tar sands would result in "a significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions".

Bill McKibben: "the #kxl endgame now underway, and EPA has just given the [White House] everything it needs to say No".

http://m.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2393504/epa-warns-of-climate-impact-from-keystone-xl
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« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2015, 12:34:21 AM »
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A Nebraska district judge has halted TransCanada’s attempts to use eminent domain to force landowners to turn over their land for the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, an act that anti-Keystone activists are calling a major win.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/13/3622816/keystone-xl-injunction/
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« Reply #105 on: February 24, 2015, 08:44:50 PM »
The humor may not translate well, outside the U.S., but I think this is one of Climate Reality's better posters.

@ClimateReality: Two-thirds of fossil fuels need to stay in the ground to limit temp increases to 2°C. RT for a renewable tomorrow.   http://t.co/6xoUd4PhV4
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« Reply #106 on: February 24, 2015, 10:37:20 PM »
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« Reply #107 on: February 25, 2015, 02:38:41 PM »
Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of NYC, suggests Obama should use Keystone as leverage to get Canada to make a climate deal.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-25/mike-bloomberg-keystone-xl-solution-runs-through-canada
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« Reply #108 on: March 06, 2015, 04:46:11 PM »
There has been a lot of self congratulatory praise for getting Obama to veto the Keystone pipeline.  But while this process was taking place many do not know that the oil industry was not asleep and was working around the issue as fast as it could.  To wit..

NOTE below post is from the blog Peakoil.com from one of their most knowledgeable posters (Rockman) whom I have been reading for many years.  He has been running large scale drilling programs for 30+ years. 

The Keystone issue is largely irrelevant as you will see.

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by ROCKMAN » Sun 01 Mar 2015, 15:59:34

Perhaps TPTB might want to consider changing the title of this thread to "The Flanagan South Pipeline" since 3 months ago the FSP essentially achieved the stated goal of the KXL Pipeline by delivering oil sands production to Cushing. From there the expanded pipelines to Texas refiners have eliminated that restriction to oil sands development.

Given all the ridiculous attention given the rather irrelevant KXL permit folks might not know much about the FS Pipeline. It’s bringing heavy crude from collection terminals in Illinois to an Oklahoma storage hub. Flanagan South made its initial delivery the first week of December, 2014, to Cushing, OK. Built at a cost of $2.6 billion, the Flanagan South line has the capacity to transport nearly 600,000 barrels of oil per day. The diluted bitumen is eventually destined for refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast via an expanded Seaway Pipeline system. Flanagan South’s product begins arriving at a time when crude stocks at the Cushing storage hub reportedly had fallen to nearly a minimum-operating capacity. Along its 600-mile path, Flanagan South crosses four states and 31 U.S. counties — including eight in Illinois, 11 in Missouri, seven in Kansas and four in Oklahoma.

Interesting we’ve heard almost no protests and MSM reports about a pipeline crossing so many jurisdictions that has the same capacity as the “horrifying” northern leg of KXL, eh? But the Rockman has presented this end run for more then 2 years as well as end run by the Keystone Pipeline connecting to the southern leg of KXL, with another 600,000 bopd capacity moving across the border. It’s been moving oil directly from Alberta to Texas for more then a year. This is the reason for storage volumes at Cushing falling so low.

So boys, are we going to bury this dying KXL permit non-issue and focus of the relevant dynamics of oil sands imports to the US? Maybe it could be moved to a politics section since that's the only really noteworthy aspect IMHO.
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« Reply #109 on: July 26, 2015, 09:31:26 PM »
This week, the South Dakota utilities commission again takes up the Keystone XL pipeline permit. Things are different this time.
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PIERRE — Starting Monday morning, the state Public Utilities Commission plans to spend seven days during the next weeks deciding whether TransCanada can still meet the permit conditions set five years ago for its proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline.
http://www.bhpioneer.com/local_news/article_d9e09056-3254-11e5-a023-1fab83e6fa2b.html
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« Reply #110 on: July 27, 2015, 03:35:19 AM »
Green energy keeps the pipeline in the ground forever just as it is driving the price of oil down now......

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« Reply #111 on: July 29, 2015, 12:08:46 AM »
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@gdebenedetti: Clinton gets a yes/no question on Keystone XL: "This is President Obama's decision and I am not going to second guess him."

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@gdebenedetti: Hillary finishes her non-answer on what she'd do with Keystone: "If it’s undecided when I become president, I will answer your question."

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/626049089550086144
https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/626049677016875008
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« Reply #112 on: July 29, 2015, 01:53:03 AM »
Keystone XL Backer Hoeven Says Obama Will Reject Pipeline
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A leading congressional supporter of the Keystone XL pipeline predicted President Barack Obama will reject the $8 billion project when Congress is out of town in August.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-28/keystone-backer-hoeven-says-obama-will-reject-pipeline-in-august
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« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2015, 06:17:11 PM »
Hillary Clinton: I Oppose the Keystone XL Pipeline
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After months of declining to take a position on the Keystone XL pipeline, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says she opposes the construction of the project.

"I think it is imperative that we look at the Keystone XL pipeline as what I believe it is: A distraction from the important work we have to do to combat climate change, and, unfortunately from my perspective, one that interferes with our ability to move forward and deal with other issues," she said during a campaign event in Iowa Tuesday.

"Therefore, I oppose it. I oppose it because I don't think it's in the best interest of what we need to do to combat climate change."

Clinton had long cited her former job as secretary of state as a reason to delay weighing in on the deal until the administration formalized its opinion on the project. In July, she said she did not want to "prejudge" President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry on the result of an administration review of the pipeline's environmental impact.

But last week, she promised that her decision would be coming "soon" and suggested that she has been growing impatient with the White House for delaying its final verdict on the matter.

"I have been waiting for the administration to make a decision," she said last week in Concord, NH. "I thought I owed them that. I worked in the administration. I started the process that is supposed to lead to a decision. I can't wait too much longer. And I am putting the White House on notice. I'm gonna tell you what I think soon because I can't wait. I thought they would have it decided way, you know, way by now and they haven't."
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-n431781
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« Reply #114 on: September 30, 2015, 01:35:26 AM »
TransCanada Hands Major Victory to Nebraska Landowners
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O’Neill, NE — This afternoon, TransCanada announced that the company will pull out of the lawsuit filed by over 100 Nebraska landowners challenging their right to use eminent domain to seize land for the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. Facing mounting legal expenses and a likely loss in court, the company will instead go through the Public Service Commission (PSC) review process it had originally hoped to avoid.

The PSC process will take at least a year, and cannot move forward if and when President Obama rejects the federal permit for the pipeline.
http://boldnebraska.org/tc-lawsuit/
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« Reply #115 on: November 06, 2015, 06:09:14 PM »
President Obama Rejects Keystone XL Pipeline Proposal

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@WhiteHouse: "The @StateDept has decided that the Keystone XL Pipeline would not serve the national interest of the United States." —@POTUS #ActOnClimate

https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/662675629914107905

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« Reply #116 on: November 06, 2015, 07:06:40 PM »
Obama rejects Keystone XL pipeline
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The massive project has been a seven-year political football during presidential and congressional elections that has pitted oil companies and Republicans against environmentalists and liberal activists. The State Department has been reviewing the project for much of Obama's time in the White House.

The move comes as the White House continues to promote its environmental agenda and efforts to fight climate change. Next month, Obama will attend the Paris climate talks, he announced Friday. The White House is hoping to broker an international agreement committing every country to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and enact other policies to curb global warming.

Obama said he spoke with new Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau regarding the decision.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/politics/keystone-xl-pipeline-decision-rejection-kerry/index.html

As noted in the article, the Republican reaction was as backwards you would expect.
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« Reply #117 on: November 07, 2015, 10:00:17 PM »
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@PriceofOil: For those who think #CrudeByRail will pick up the slack for #KeystoneXL, we have a graph to show you. #NoKXL https://t.co/Ysa19m0RG7

https://twitter.com/priceofoil/status/662699561664708609
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« Reply #118 on: November 08, 2015, 03:32:34 AM »
They said it couldn't be stopped.  They were wrong. 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153695447417708&id=12185972707&_rdr
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« Reply #119 on: November 08, 2015, 04:01:53 PM »
The Keystone XL pipeline defeat is one goal in the game, and we're way behind.
By Bill McKibben
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In the first two weeks of the Keystone fight, we couldn’t get any press to pay attention to our work to defeat the environmental disaster we knew it would be if it were approved – none at all. Because back then in the summer of 2011 everyone knew that we couldn’t win. No one ever beats big oil.

Now I’m sitting here fielding dozens and dozens of phone calls and emails from reporters, because we did: Barack Obama announced on Friday that he had denied TransCanada’s proposal to build the Keystone XL pipeline.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/06/keystone-xl-pipeline-defeat-bill-mckibben-climate-change
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« Reply #120 on: November 08, 2015, 04:07:19 PM »
Canadians 'disappointed' by Keystone XL pipeline decision but not surprised.
Prime minister looks forward but some have accused the US of ‘hypocrisy’, as shale oil production sent US production soaring by four million barrels per day.
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The Obama administration’s decision to kill the Keystone XL pipeline met with disappointment and derision – though little surprise – in Calgary, the boomtown-turned-bust capital of Canada’s oil industry. It also induced some provincial angst as Alberta attempts to open new markets for a product that floats rough 50% of its economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/07/keystone-xl-pipeline-reaction-canada-justin-trudeau
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« Reply #121 on: November 09, 2015, 06:33:12 PM »
Eight minute video of Obama's announcement of (and reasons behind) his Keystone XL pipeline rejection.

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@WhiteHouse: "If we want to prevent the worst effects of climate change before it’s too late, the time to act is now." —@POTUS https://t.co/yyUhBOVTc8

https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/662679812717338624
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« Reply #122 on: November 09, 2015, 07:30:05 PM »
With Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline, TransCanada is now focused on exporting this oil via the Energy East pipeline to Quebec.  Also, if a Republican President is elected in 2016, then it could re-apply for a new permit for the Keystone XL pipeline:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/1108/Keystone-pipeline-rejected-Is-TransCanada-out-of-options

Extract: "Many analysts now say the company already has turned toward domestic production, such as bolstering its own Energy East pipeline project, set to send 1.1 million barrels each day to Canada’s east coast, Reuters said."

Edit: See attached image of three different proposed Canadian pipelines for Tar Sand oil
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« Reply #123 on: November 10, 2015, 01:33:42 AM »
Northern Gateway is not going to happen. They demonstrated a really bad attitude (not unusual) and there's no way the first nations along the path will approve it. Plus it requires large tankers to meander through narrow and ecologically very sensitive inside passage. The new federal government will not approve the tanker traffic.

Energy East has a better chance but I wouldn't bet on it. They had originally planned to end it at a tanker port at the mouth of the Saguenay River but were not able to meet the environmental conditions for a tanker port there and gave up. There will likely continue to be public pressure to stop it from the environmentally conscious Quebec population.

Very important to note that none of these pipelines provide any oil to Canadians - they are only for export and for driving up the price of tar sands bitumen which is heavily discounted now to get it to sell into the US refinery network (around $17 discount on WTI prices)

The resistance to Kinder Morgan expansion is the threat of increased tanker traffic through the port of Vancouver.

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« Reply #124 on: November 13, 2015, 10:10:25 PM »
As I suggested earlier the news today includes the Canadian government moving to prevent tanker traffic that would be required for the Northern Gateway pipeline.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/crude-oil-tanker-traffic-moratorium-bc-north-coast-1.3318086


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« Reply #125 on: November 19, 2015, 02:19:17 PM »
As Upton Sinclair wrote: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

TransCanada Says It Remains Committed to Completing Keystone Pipeline
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/transcanada-says-it-remains-committed-completing-keystone-pipeline-n465882
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« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2016, 11:49:08 PM »
We will soon see what the courts think about Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-keystone-idUSKBN0UK2JG20160106

Extract: "TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government in U.S. federal court on Wednesday, alleging President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution.
Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline late last year, seven years after it was first proposed. TransCanada also filed legal action under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and unjustified."
As part of the NAFTA claim, the company was seeking $15 billion."
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« Reply #127 on: January 07, 2016, 04:36:12 PM »
One of the prime purposes of free trade agreements is to remove sovereignty form the equation in order to allow corporations unimpeded access to all markets.  Needless to say this is not done because it has any benefits to the regular citizens.

TransCanada will be suing under NAFTA.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Transatlantic Free Trade Area (TAFTA) which the Obama administration have been pushing will allow corporations to even sue local towns and counties over zoning issues which might effect a foreign corporations ability do whatever they want on land they have purchased.

And the court decisions would not be made by US courts.

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) would grant foreign corporations extraordinary new powers to attack the laws we rely on for a clean environment, essential services, and healthy communities. Foreign corporations would be empowered to bypass domestic courts and directly "sue" the U.S. government before a tribunal of private lawyers that sits outside of any domestic legal system. These lawyers would be authorized to order the U.S. government to hand millions of our tax dollars to the corporations for laws that they find inconvenient.

How could foreign corporations attack domestic health, environmental and financial protections that local companies have to follow? The TPP would give foreign firms special privileges, including the ability to challenge new policies – from Wall Street regulations to climate change protections – because they frustrated the corporations' "expectations."

The TPP would also grant these privileges to U.S. firms that offshore American jobs. The deal's special protections for foreign corporations would eliminate many of the usual risks that make firms think twice about moving to low-wage countries, incentivizing a new wave of offshoring....

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« Reply #128 on: January 08, 2016, 11:37:31 PM »
The linked article indicates the White House is confident that the US acted lawfully in rejecting the Keystone XL pipeline, and notes that the US has never lost a NAFTA investor lawsuit:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-keystone-lawsuit-whitehou-idUSKBN0UL2C920160107

Extract: "The White House said on Thursday that it is confident that President Barack Obama and his administration acted lawfully when rejecting TransCanada Corp's Keystone XL crude oil pipeline from Canada.

TransCanada launched a lawsuit against the U.S. government on Wednesday and said it plans to seek $15 billion in damages from a tribunal under the North American Free Trade Agreement.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said he was limited in what he could say about the pending litigation, but the decision was consistent with U.S. obligations to NAFTA. He noted the United States has never lost a NAFTA investor lawsuit."
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« Reply #129 on: November 09, 2018, 02:18:42 PM »
Thread has gone rather quiet and out of date, but seems I may as well resurrect it:

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A United States judge has blocked the construction of a controversial oil pipeline from Canada to the US.

The judge in the state of Montana said the Trump administration had "discarded" facts when it approved the Keystone XL Pipeline in 2017.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46150577

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« Reply #130 on: November 09, 2018, 10:08:03 PM »
And this story from Canada:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/keystone-xl-us-court-montana-district-ruling-transcanada-calgary-1.4899359

Of course the U.S. President is freaking out. Interestingly, Trans Canada is rather resigned to the situation. Pipelines from the Alberta bitumen mines have signally failed to get approval over the past decade.