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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #150 on: November 21, 2019, 05:48:30 AM »
Without Russiagate & 'The Impeachment' whoever ran as a Democrat would have easily won the coming election. Now there's a race, possibly a tight race & conceivably a losing race.
The candidates wouldn't even have needed large donations.


How would Big Donors react?
How would Pelosi flex her monied muscles?
What would become of the DNC?
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #151 on: November 26, 2019, 04:41:21 PM »
Yes, yes, this is a far right publication.
But it has an interesting view of the election and the Olympics next year that just might be spot on.

Transgenderism and the Olympics
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/11/transgenderism_and_the_olympics.html
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Worse for them, this disastrous inner debate will occur in public, during the titanic political face-off between an extreme progressive who’ll be running against the more traditional Trump.  This controversy is sure to deepen America’s left-right rift, shattering the Democrats’ fragile progressive coalition into a myriad shards of small hyper-special interest groups. Especially hard hit will be those who insist that they’re truly special and actually deserve -- demand -- support from all progressives.

This could inflame the election like it hasn't been since 1860.
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #152 on: November 26, 2019, 08:15:26 PM »
Yes, yes, this is a far right publication.
But it has an interesting view of the election and the Olympics next year that just might be spot on.

Transgenderism and the Olympics
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/11/transgenderism_and_the_olympics.html
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Worse for them, this disastrous inner debate will occur in public, during the titanic political face-off between an extreme progressive who’ll be running against the more traditional Trump.  This controversy is sure to deepen America’s left-right rift, shattering the Democrats’ fragile progressive coalition into a myriad shards of small hyper-special interest groups. Especially hard hit will be those who insist that they’re truly special and actually deserve -- demand -- support from all progressives.

This could inflame the election like it hasn't been since 1860.


I think this one's going to get very hot regardless of who wins.
Hillary's faction refused to accept the results in 2016.
Should we expect more from Trump's supporters? - or another losing Democratic effort?


Tossing out democratic norms might not have been the wisest decision made after the 2016 election. I wasn't happy when Gore relinquished his claim to the Presidency, but Hillary and the DNC have overdone the whole "injured party" thing, and it's unclear if any candidate will be recognised as the "People's Choice".


I'm unsure what direction this will take - I don't expect an armed revolt, but I do expect a lot of loud murmurings & difficulties in passing legislation that's important to one party, but not the other. ( The dems just recently slid an extension of the Patriot Act through with nary a peep, so cooperation is possible,) Damnit!


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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #153 on: November 27, 2019, 02:47:32 PM »
I find it difficult to blame anyone who has lived their whole life under a constant barrage of propaganda for succumbing to it.

Terry, did you just kick Kant in the belly. Why did you do that? :P

Me knowing about corruption is not a function of living in Germany. I had to listen to the same conservative BS than everyone else. The bullshit is more suttle here; you need to read between the lines but it's there and for everyone to see who is willing to open their eyes. In the US you can spot it even better because it's more obvious.

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Yes, it's taking effort to open windows to the outside. There are rights and duties in a free society. Consider it a duty to become an adult citizen.
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #154 on: November 27, 2019, 02:49:13 PM »
You know the old story: Nazi clothed in black walks with Molotov cocktail to demo only to then blame Antifa.

Same story, different actors:

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Recently a crowd of protesters disrupted a speech by Elizabeth Warren. The activists might have seemed grassroots, but they weren’t

Link >> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/27/billionare-funded-protests-america
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #155 on: November 27, 2019, 05:47:46 PM »
You know the old story: Nazi clothed in black walks with Molotov cocktail to demo only to then blame Antifa.

Same story, different actors:

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Recently a crowd of protesters disrupted a speech by Elizabeth Warren. The activists might have seemed grassroots, but they weren’t

Link >> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/27/billionare-funded-protests-america
Excellent article. Bears repeating.
BTW (ceterum censeo) there are also Russian and Ukrainian billionaires...
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2019, 06:07:58 AM »
Conservative Think Tank Tweets, Quickly Deletes Conspiracy Theory About Ilhan Omar

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A prominent pro-Israel think tank accused Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) of being a foreign agent who shared state secrets with Iran. The wild accusation was provided without supporting evidence but linked to a story originally sourced from a news outlet owned by Saudi Arabia.

The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) is the think tank in question–a non-profit and officially non-partisan organization based in Washington, D.C. whose donors are largely Republican billionaires.

Link >> https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/conservative-think-tank-tweets-quickly-deletes-conspiracy-theory-about-ilhan-omar/
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #157 on: December 03, 2019, 01:12:38 PM »
Rightwing ‘Bill Mill’ Accused of Sowing Racist and White Supremacist Policies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/alec-white-supremacy-conservatives-racism

ALEC, the rightwing network that brings conservative lawmakers together with corporate lobbyists to create model legislation that is cloned across the US, has been accused of spreading racist and white supremacist policies targeted at minority communities.

A report published on Tuesday by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and other advocacy groups charges ALEC with propagating white supremacy.

https://ccrjustice.org/

In one of the sharpest criticisms yet levelled at the controversial “bill mill”, the authors warn that:

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... “conservative and corporate interests have captured our political process to harness profit, further entrench white supremacy in the law, and target the safety, human rights and self-governance of marginalised communities”.

... The network, it says, amounts to a “shadow state apparatus” in which “private industry seizes control of the authority of the state, writing legislation and public policy for the general public behind the closed doors of a CEO suite”.
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #158 on: December 08, 2019, 01:48:57 PM »
That whole impeachment stuff is so incredibly dumb, helps Trump and the Republicans, and creates precedents that will boomerang in horrible ways in the near future. The law professor featured in this clip explains it perfectly:



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« Reply #159 on: December 08, 2019, 03:46:11 PM »
Turley is a partisan hack. He said pretty much the opposite of all those points when he argue in favor of the Clinton impeachment.
"A force de chercher de bonnes raisons, on en trouve; on les dit; et après on y tient, non pas tant parce qu'elles sont bonnes que pour ne pas se démentir." Choderlos de Laclos "You struggle to come up with some valid reasons, then cling to them, not because they're good, but just to not back down."

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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #160 on: December 08, 2019, 04:09:59 PM »
Turley is a partisan hack. He said pretty much the opposite of all those points when he argue in favor of the Clinton impeachment.

Well, if that is true, he was wrong back then (Clinton shouldn't have been impeached, but he should've stepped down). But he's right now. Furthermore, the implication is that if he has flip-flopped, so is everybody on 'the other side'. Which is probably true, because it's all tribalism. And that's why I put it in this thread.

It's all theatre, a show to distract from the real issues.
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #161 on: December 08, 2019, 06:17:43 PM »
I'd call that false equivalence, but we obviously disagree (and to be clear, I am have been deeply disappointed in much that the Dems have and have not done over the years...or rather, I would be disappointed if I ever had much of an expectation of them doing much of the right thing as long as they are dominated by corporate interests)
"A force de chercher de bonnes raisons, on en trouve; on les dit; et après on y tient, non pas tant parce qu'elles sont bonnes que pour ne pas se démentir." Choderlos de Laclos "You struggle to come up with some valid reasons, then cling to them, not because they're good, but just to not back down."

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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #162 on: December 08, 2019, 06:47:28 PM »
I'd call that false equivalence,

That's what political theatre is all about. This whole impeachment thing is certainly a circus, and possibly a clusterfuck.
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« Reply #163 on: December 09, 2019, 03:52:38 PM »
File under theatre because this is crap wrestling, no one is really trying. In proper wrestling you have heroes and villains but here you have only villains and plain incompetents.

Climate change: UN negotiators 'playing politics' amid global crisis

The talks - now in their final week - are bogged down in technical details as key countries seek to delay efforts to increase their pledges, observers say.

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Inside the convention centre, the central question of increasing country pledges to cut their carbon has been pushed aside as negotiators resort to protecting national interests.

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the richer countries were supposed to undertake specific carbon cutting actions in the years between 2015 and 2020, which many haven't yet achieved.

Here in Madrid a group of countries including China, India and Saudi Arabia are pushing for these pre-2020 commitments be adhered to - even if it means achieving them post-2020.

There is frustration that countries are focussing on trying to get advantages in the talks, instead of working together to increase ambition.

"The Paris agreement is clear: all countries agreed to deliver new climate targets by 2020, and as the recent UNEP emissions gap report made clear, the onus is on the top 10 polluters to deliver," said Laurence Tubiana, one of the key architects of the Paris agreement, now with the European Climate Foundation.

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The worry is that many of these historical credits are not real reductions. (see article for details but we need to stop using measures that are not grounded in the underlying science.)

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50706236

Just some short quotes but whatever they promise to do they probably won´t do.

So we have political theatre which just plain distracts like impeachment and brexit and these summits.

It pisses me off that at our current state they all are playing like there is something to win.
And we lose more time.
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