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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2018, 09:32:40 PM »
It's difficult to understand why so many Europeans don't understand who their enemy is. I'd always understood that many Europeans were fluent, at least to some degree in English.
Terry

99.9% (one exception) of all the people in europe and elsewhere know exactly who the real evil-doers are since they camouflaged as natives and killed their own people to get the cavalry.

however that might be for a few reasons like:

- the kind of people i talk to ;)

- the kind of people i know would never get involved in this system, no matter which country

- the kind of people i meet but don't know i meet in places where the conformists don't usually meet, at least not in masses, not snobby enough probably.

- i wouldn't go very far with someone who's idolizing the wrong people and things.

but however that may be terry, there are very many people over here in europe who know exactly what's going on and who the enemy is but rather disconnect from the system than fight agains
windmills like "Don Quixote"

BTW i like the whiff of anger i believe to have sniffed, let's teach our descendants and those around us an, knowledge and understanding are the only ways to beat the system which is why they tried so hard to hide knowledge from the average people and that will change hopefully.

in fact i fear that they'll find their ways to deprive our descendants from the sources soon, in part certain search algorithms and other restrictions already hint into that direction and clean the road for when it's gonna happen, let's see ;)

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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2018, 10:36:10 PM »
It's difficult to understand why so many Europeans don't understand who their enemy is. I'd always understood that many Europeans were fluent, at least to some degree in English.
Terry

99.9% (one exception) of all the people in europe and elsewhere know exactly who the real evil-doers are since they camouflaged as natives and killed their own people to get the cavalry.

however that might be for a few reasons like:

- the kind of people i talk to ;)

- the kind of people i know would never get involved in this system, no matter which country

- the kind of people i meet but don't know i meet in places where the conformists don't usually meet, at least not in masses, not snobby enough probably.

- i wouldn't go very far with someone who's idolizing the wrong people and things.

but however that may be terry, there are very many people over here in europe who know exactly what's going on and who the enemy is but rather disconnect from the system than fight agains
windmills like "Don Quixote"

BTW i like the whiff of anger i believe to have sniffed, let's teach our descendants and those around us an, knowledge and understanding are the only ways to beat the system which is why they tried so hard to hide knowledge from the average people and that will change hopefully.

in fact i fear that they'll find their ways to deprive our descendants from the sources soon, in part certain search algorithms and other restrictions already hint into that direction and clean the road for when it's gonna happen, let's see ;)

nice weekend @all


The democratization of knowledge that the internet has brought to us all may prove to be an ephemeral gift. I don't think that it can be argued that TPTB are happy that we now have access to much of the information that they were once able to use to keep us in line.


The alternative search engines are giving us some breathing room, but they've responded by opening Overton windows ever further from whatever passes for the truth, then dangling false narratives for us to embrace.


With AI being pushed by Cambridge Analitica and it's ilk, politicians can refine their message until black appears white.


Somehow we need to keep whatever message we're following brightly enough lit that it can't be obscured by untruths fed to us by dishonest pitch men, who's primary motivation is our disenfranchisement.


When we're privy to an American official telling another American official that they're going to meddle in the affairs of a European country, and that the wishes of Europe mean nothing to them, then we need to object at the ballot box when our politicians don't respond to this affront.


If American LNG is a better product at a better price than the Russian alternative, then our politicians should be welcoming it.
If Russian Piped gas is available at a better price, this option should be made available.


Believing that the country that says FORK YOU has your best interests at heart is foolish at best, and I don't think anyone can afford foolish politicians in these perilous times.
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2018, 01:43:10 AM »
.......need to object at the ballot box when our politicians don't respond to this affront.


while i agree with what you say there is a little problem with the ballot box:

- there is no sound alternative, it's the same medal with different colors on each side

- the only ballot box i know has a real value is the swiss one and while even there the gov
. is watering the will of the people until it can hardly be recognized, the people can bring the
. same topic up again and again until they comply in an acceptable manner, even though it takes
. a lot of time to achieve a goal that way and in the mean time the money and the lobbies seek and
. find new loopholes.

nevertheless, voting with the wallet and by civil disobedience is the way to go while it comes
with a price tag that is either money, reputation, safety or all of them.

the day i decided to learn to say no my income dropped by 90% and the numbers of so called "friends" as well LOL, of course i'm a happy man with what remains which is what they will never
understand, that less can be much more, not say mostly is much more.

another thing i recognized is that the system is getting fully aware of those who are willing to opt out without living under the bridge and consider them as dangerous and instead of beheading people like before they make them kind "persona non-grata" and not that many are strong enough to withstand that pressure with it's impact on the family and the business relationships.

last but not least it takes quite a few extra skills to manage over decades and it takes the luck to have the right citizenship. there are jurisdiction where it's a lot harder than in others.

this is meant to add to what you said without taking a single "jota" away ;) i fully agree

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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2018, 05:09:28 AM »
"I've never done anything in politics that was outside the norms of my colleagues and contemporaries," Roger Stone said Sunday in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos.

STONE: Well, it suggests nothing at all. Again, where is the crime? I engaged in politics. My purpose was to take a tip, which I thought to be solid, and then, after that, to follow the WikiLeaks Twitter feed and set a Google News alert for Julian Assange and use Twitter to hype as much voter and media attention to the disclosures when they came as politics.

Well here it is, finally, in Roger Stone's own words in a interview video yesterday - confirming what Julian Assange, Wikileaks, Jimmy Dore, Aaron Mate and myself had been saying all along - and also yes Roger Stone does lie and exaggerate and misdirect and propagandize as a hired Political PR Hack and is a "Dirty Trickster" no less! but that is all.

Roger Stone: No Evidence I Ever Contacted WikiLeaks; "I Engaged In Politics" (video)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/02/roger_stone_no_evidence_i_ever_contacted_julian_assange_or_wikileaks.html

However, on the flip side is Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee who said: Roger Stone's comments are not credible and inconsistent with what he told the Committee.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/02/schiff_the_trump-russia_compromise_is_far_broader_than_we_thought.html

Oh who to believe now? :)
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2018, 01:37:38 AM »
Just Theatre

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President Donald Trump’s company planned to give a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated the luxury real estate development during the 2016 campaign, according to four people, one of them the originator of the plan.

Two US law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed News that Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer at the time, discussed the idea with a representative of Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the


Because representatives of press secretaries need to be kept in the loop. ::)
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I let this pass at the time, now I have a moment to reply.

You point out that the Russian's they were negotiating with may not be directly connected to Putin, but this is irrelevant to whether Cohen's (and almost certainly Trump's) actions were illegal.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/12/02/trump-presidency-threatened-50-million-penthouse-gift-putin-column/2169500002/

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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2018, 02:22:35 AM »
Just Theatre

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President Donald Trump’s company planned to give a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated the luxury real estate development during the 2016 campaign, according to four people, one of them the originator of the plan.

Two US law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed News that Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer at the time, discussed the idea with a representative of Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the


Because representatives of press secretaries need to be kept in the loop. ::)
Terry

I let this pass at the time, now I have a moment to reply.

You point out that the Russian's they were negotiating with may not be directly connected to Putin, but this is irrelevant to whether Cohen's (and almost certainly Trump's) actions were illegal.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/12/02/trump-presidency-threatened-50-million-penthouse-gift-putin-column/2169500002/


I believe I was attempting to point out that covert operations are not usually handled so publicly.


AFAIK the latest is that Mueller's acceptance of parts of Cohen's testimony prove that the Orange One and President Putin are both in the clear.


I'll see if I can find the article if you'd be interested.
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2018, 03:00:51 AM »
Just Theatre

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President Donald Trump’s company planned to give a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated the luxury real estate development during the 2016 campaign, according to four people, one of them the originator of the plan.

Two US law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed News that Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer at the time, discussed the idea with a representative of Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/the-trump-organization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the


Because representatives of press secretaries need to be kept in the loop. ::)
Terry

I let this pass at the time, now I have a moment to reply.

You point out that the Russian's they were negotiating with may not be directly connected to Putin, but this is irrelevant to whether Cohen's (and almost certainly Trump's) actions were illegal.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/12/02/trump-presidency-threatened-50-million-penthouse-gift-putin-column/2169500002/


I believe I was attempting to point out that covert operations are not usually handled so publicly.


AFAIK the latest is that Mueller's acceptance of parts of Cohen's testimony prove that the Orange One and President Putin are both in the clear.


I'll see if I can find the article if you'd be interested.
Terry

Thanks, drop a link if you come across it and I will read it.

We'll probably be quiet distracted by something else though by the time you find it.


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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2018, 05:15:25 AM »


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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2018, 12:23:44 PM »
https://billmoyers.com/2014/06/27/the-first-iraq-war-was-also-sold-to-the-public-based-on-a-pack-of-lies/?utm_source=samizdat&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=free

This isn't political theatre. These are true things that deserve every attention they get, even almost 30 years later. Better suited in the US Empire thread.
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2018, 12:11:03 AM »
The Mueller investigation and the Roger Stone "drama" claims and denials blah blah. Several Randy Credico i'views by Jimmy Dore have been posted here before.

Randy Credico Exclusive Tell-All with Abby Martin on Wikileaks & Roger Stone

In this exclusive extended interview, Randy Credico tells his side of the story on his role in the Russia investigation, his upcoming interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and true nature of his relationship with Trump campaign advisor Roger Stone.

With never before revealed details about Roger Stone and the Mueller investigation, Credico details his long-standing ties to the political operative and answers the hard questions about his alleged coordination with Wikileaks. The interview highlights the larger context of the multi-front assault on Julian Assange, Wikileaks and the future of press freedom.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Credico
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Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« Reply #62 on: December 08, 2018, 01:06:05 AM »
https://billmoyers.com/2014/06/27/the-first-iraq-war-was-also-sold-to-the-public-based-on-a-pack-of-lies/?utm_source=samizdat&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=free

This isn't political theatre. These are true things that deserve every attention they get, even almost 30 years later. Better suited in the US Empire thread.

Wasn't sure where to put it. Seems that it might fit in a number of threads.

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« Reply #63 on: December 08, 2018, 04:40:46 AM »
In my view, the issue of Hillary Clinton's private email server will not disappear from the consciousness of the polity unless/until there is an Independent Special Counsel appointed to investigate it and/or a Grand Jury is formed on the matter.

There is sufficient prima facie evidence already in existence that such steps are warranted. And that given the extreme political nature of this issue, over 5 years now, no other 'Agency' or form of inquiry is capable of properly getting to the facts.

Not the Media, not the Congress and not the current Courts processes are capable of bringing this matter to a proper defined end. As the WP article here already indicates, though not overtly enough imv:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/judge-orders-justice-state-departments-to-reopen-narrow-inquiry-into-handling-of-clinton-email-records-lawsuit/2018/12/06/71d03530-f9a1-11e8-863c-9e2f864d47e7_story.html

I found the terminology used by the judge most amusing, in the sense that many of his terms could easily be applied to the actions and words of Hillary Clinton herself based on what we already know - or rather what is known on the Public record but which is 99% of the time not known by the Public in general to a great extent. Most are utterly ignorant of the known facts as they stand already - nor the critical context in which those facts can be seen in their 'true light.'

Plus the terminology would equally apply to all those who intentionally colluded with her to facilitate her breaches of U.S. Government Regulations for Secretaries and Employees, and those who further acted to minimize the damage after the event. Including lying to the FBI and to Congress, which is an Indictable Felony as we all know by now given the high profile Mueller investigation.

The core fact is: Clinton exclusively used a private email account as secretary from 2009 to 2013.

Phrases I believe apply are:

“faced with one of the gravest modern offenses to government openness ... fell far short"

“the [ex-SoS Clinton] made things worse” by taking the position that [SHE was not obliged to immediately hand over HER records] not in the government’s possession [in January 2013 before any FOIA requests were made.]

“smacks of outrageous misconduct.”

“negligence born of incompetence,”

“At worst, career employees in the State and Justice departments colluded to scuttle public scrutiny of Clinton, skirt FOIA, ....”

questions persist into whether: “Clinton used a private email to stymie FOIA"

References:
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/114th-congress/house-report/848/1
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2013_hr/benghazi.pdf
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=4515892-2016-Election-Final-Report-06-14-18-0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy

Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey’s earlier draft language describing Clinton’s actions as “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless,” the sources said.
https://wreg.com/2017/12/06/fbi-agent-changed-key-phrase-in-clinton-email-report

The tip of an iceberg of lies, half-truths, disinformation, silencing, (im)plausible deniability, collusion, bias, incompetence, negligence, gullibility, fear-mongering, dishonesty, obnubilation, and distraction.

Clearly, or it should be now, this entire subject, the Clinton's personally, and all those intimately connected with this matter are very much the classic example of all that "is rotten in Denmark" today over the recent decades.
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« Reply #64 on: December 08, 2018, 10:19:46 AM »
Jimmy with Aaron Mate with a sidebar about the little known never reported Israeli connection with Mike Flynn and that Russian Ambassador.



Michael Flynn Plea Agreement Documents
https://www.lawfareblog.com/michael-flynn-plea-agreement-documents

Document: U.S. Attorney's Office for the SDNY and Special Counsel's Office File Michael Cohen Sentencing Memo
https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-us-attorneys-office-southern-district-new-york-and-special-counsels-office-file-michael
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« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2018, 11:59:32 AM »
continuing on .....

Document: U.S. Attorney's Office for the SDNY and Special Counsel's Office File Michael Cohen Sentencing Memo
https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-us-attorneys-office-southern-district-new-york-and-special-counsels-office-file-michael

Cohen looks like he'll be in an orange jumpsuit for a long while ~4 years maybe? I can't see Manafort doing any less. (any pardon or clemency aside)

My reading is much will be dependent upon Trump's answers he provided to Mueller as to how bad it will get for him. But it is going to get bad eventually one way or another. I still doubt he'll will need to deal with an allegation of "collusion". It all sounds more like an episode of the Keystone Cops (not Mueller, the various characters involved all over the place.)

But tell me this - how does a fleabag like Cohen get to be on a salary of $500,000 for a couple of decades, skip on paying taxes on over $6 mln, and keep doing dirty deals for so long? It's not like he and the Trump business group are exceptions to the rule either. Just boggles the mind.

There's a flip side to all this I think is going to make a great movie one day, if they do it properly, and don't only focus on Trump and his team alone. Trump entered the race as a PR stunt to influence the renegotiation his Apprentice TV deal. He didn't need to win merely act it out. But he "loved" it so much they kept on going. They never expected to win a single Primary, but they did. They never expected to win the nomination, but they did. Then they never really expected to win the election either, but they did. The most inexperienced untrained bunch of monkeys ever to run a Presidential campaign and they beat all comers. Now that's a good story. But the kicker is that if he had never won the nomination all this Mueller stuff, and all those caught out lying, evading their taxes, doing crooked deals would never ever have been caught. The whole world would be none the wiser.

In my mind this is really the real story coupled with the multitude of personal connections and the "personalities" of all these players .... and the unlikely occasional genuine folk like Mike Flynn and Rex Tillerson who all caught in the trap to be screwed in the process as collateral damage. Must be hundreds of those still feeling like road kill atm.

I was reflecting back on what I could remember about the time Trump was first trying to form a cabinet. And I thought to myself, you know, I wonder how many people point blank turned him down before finally Tillerson said yes, OK I'll do it. Now look what it is like: Pnac Neocon Central v2.0. I really can't help laughing about it - I started laughing in the middle of 2016 and honestly haven't stopped.

Yeah I know it's serious but it is also incredibly funny too, if you stop and think about it.

Would you ever believe that .................... ? No no, it's true. Really! Roger 'bloody' Stone of all people too. Yeah, I know, I know. :)

On a much more serious note, what does this all say about the Institutions and the System as a whole in which this all occurred, right there out there in the open more or less?
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« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2018, 03:17:59 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: December 08, 2018, 10:37:17 PM »
Just how 'smart' are these 'movers and shakers' one-step removed from the current President?

The docs on Cohen are most insightful they are worth the time to read. About him and about how the Trump enterprise do "business". I wouldn't worry too much on the 'political' aspects alone but consider these are unlikely to be exceptions to the rule but are The Rule ... of an uncountable many far away from anything to do with Trump.

One example covered is Cohen owned Taxi medallions. He then vendor financed two players who used his rights to set up. They paid him a fee for use of the medallions plus interest on the loans he provided them. (more or less) But Cohen needed to raise about $14 million (?) in loans himself to make this work from several sources. This is about the same time he went being a $75k yr lawyer to a $500k Trump Corp lawyer after swinging a deal on a condo that helped Trump not lose face.

Anyway Cohen kept up his loan repayments to the Taxi deals, and the people who ran those companies kept up their end by paying him his fees and interest etc on time for years. The funny thing, according to the SDNY docs is that Cohen made them pay their accounts to his "personal bank account" and never told his Accountant about that, and so just pocketed the money unaccounted for, I think that was about $6 mln all up over many years.

So think about that a moment about how "smart" he is, and he's a Lawyer?

Made multi-million dollar deals that included bank funding loans on the record, ownership of Medallions on the record, and then had all this money pouring into his personal bank account month after month after month for over a decade and then some, on the record.

Smart man?

What does it tell us about the System though?

Smart system?

And if Trump never ran for President or won? Then what? What Cohen was doing would still be happening right now.

Like the millions of others lucky enough to not be closely connected to a 'Trump' this time.  And yet it's the IRS that are said to be the "bad guys"? Huh?

I bet my house that Minimum Wage earners at McDonald's are forced to pay every penny of their Taxes. And the IRS appears to have strict Auditing controls to flag Fraud in it's own activities:
https://www.irs.gov/irm/part1/irm_01-035-014#idm139717563936432


https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2018/03/29/irs-official-audit-rate-down-but-the-real-audit-rate-is-the-problem/

(somewhat off-topic on theater but I still feel it's 'entertaining' material and relevant in the big picture of the reality)
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« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2018, 05:05:24 PM »

References:
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

The House Oversight Committee has released a 235-page transcript of Comey's grilling 24 hours after the former FBI director was questioned by lawmakers on the Capitol Hill.
https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Comey-interview-12-7-18_Redacted.pdf

oooh aah things may get a little bumpy for some. Much 'plausible deniability' going on here, some shifts in the narratives, surface bias but little real evidence to hang one's hat on. Most likely prognosis is that nothing much will come of this unless a whistle-blower exists.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) counted that Comey answered "don't know" a whopping 166 times, "I don't remember" – 71 times and "I don't' recall" – 8 times.

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I believe Trump will come to regret going soft on HRC post election and Comey/FBI as well. Objectively putting all partisanship issues aside Trump was an outsider and had never really learned first hand or experienced how the 'political beast' really operates. Or how 'incompetent' and 'biased' bureaucracies such as the FBI and DoJ can play out. And the limits of what Congressional Hearings can get to in the normal course. Seems to me the Auditor was far more critical of Clinton and staff than the FBI was.

I think Trump will end up wishing a special prosecutor had been appointed to totally re-evaluate the Clinton investigations from Benghazi / 'email server' issues all the way up to 2016 and Huma's laptop, and find out what was done and not done by the FBI and what was known and not known at State.... and anything that fell out of the bushes along the way

We have no idea where Mueller is at of course but there must be something coming next. I suspect the Donald is going to be for a world of hurt eventually no easier than Bill copped in the 90s and perhaps more similar to the pressures on Nixon. Who knows? History shows that newbie inexperienced 'cowboy operations' never get far in 'politics' - they don't know the rules of the game and don't have enough experienced people with authority/gravitas around to stop dumb things from happening. Trump had no one. He still doesn't. Bad judgement and overconfidence always comes back to bite us on the as, eventually.
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« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2018, 01:20:56 PM »
a little curiosity fwiw

After some lengthy research a group of people came up with a suggested list for mandatory Ethical Standards to apply to all members of a political party, in particular those elected to Office - be they at a local county level or in the national Parliament. 

The key Ethical norms were formulated as follows though I have slightly amended them for clarity:

- to always treat people and their problems with respect and attention, help them in protecting their rights, in restoring justice, in overcoming difficult life situations;

- to exclude actions and statements that may lead to the infringement of human rights and freedoms, to be responsible for the spoken word, to prevent statements that degrade the dignity of people;

- To be intolerant of attempts to revise and distort the national history, disregard its traditions, the spiritual values ​​of our peoples, the manifestation of disrespect for its culture, and the unique experience of multi-ethnic unity and multi-cultural diversity;

- To adhere to the principle of personal modesty and restraint in public behavior;

- In response to public accusations of committing illegal or immoral acts, publicly defend their honor, dignity and reputation by all legal means. In the event that the charges of committing crimes or misconduct are true and discredit the Party, immediately resign from all party posts;

- To openly express and defend their position during party discussions on Policy, after making a final decision to adhere to the collegial party position;

- To fulfill their and the party's commitments made to people, to personally and regularly report on the execution of orders, promises, appeals of citizens, the implementation of electoral programs;

- All members to be mindful that the party role is to represent people and works for them.

Therefore, in the event that their activity or behavior contradicts party ethics, these people must bear the personal responsibility commensurate with their actions. 

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Too much to expect of people in politics?

Too controlling or limiting?

Leave it to the people to vote them out when they screw up?
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« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2018, 02:14:13 PM »
The conservative view of where Mueller is at now.

One thing that is clear is that the investigation seems to be ending. Mueller’s office has reportedly even told various defense lawyers that it is “tying up loose ends.” The moment to wrap things up is politically right as well: the Democrats will soon take control of the House; time to hand this all off to them. [...

Almost everything Mueller has, the perjury and lying cases, are crimes he created through the process of investigating. He’s Schroeder’s Box: the infractions only exist when he tries to look at them. Mueller created most of his booked charges by asking questions he already knew the answers to, hoping his witness would lie and commit new crimes literally in front of him. Nobody should be proud of lying, but it seems a helluva way to contest a completed election as Trump enters the third year of his term.

Mueller’s end product, his report, will most likely claim that a lot of unsavory things went on. But it seems increasingly unlikely that he’ll have any evidence Trump worked with Russia to win the election, let alone that Trump is now under Putin’s control. If Mueller had a smoking gun, we’d be watching impeachment hearings by now.

Instead, Mueller will end up concluding that some people may have sort of maybe tried to interfere with an investigation into what turned out to be nothing, another “crime” that exists only because there was an investigation to trigger it.


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/muellers-investigation-is-missing-one-thing-a-crime/
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« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2018, 09:20:52 PM »
Mueller will do as he's told, and given that Trump is part of the swamp, there's a good chance nothing will happen (but enough chum given to keep plenty of people distracted).
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« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2018, 11:12:54 PM »

Almost everything Mueller has, the perjury and lying cases, are crimes he created through the process of investigating. He’s Schroeder’s Box: the infractions only exist when he tries to look at them. Mueller created most of his booked charges by asking questions he already knew the answers to, hoping his witness would lie and commit new crimes literally in front of him. Nobody should be proud of lying, but it seems a helluva way to contest a completed election as Trump enters the third year of his term.

Mueller’s end product, his report, will most likely claim that a lot of unsavory things went on. But it seems increasingly unlikely that he’ll have any evidence Trump worked with Russia to win the election, let alone that Trump is now under Putin’s control. If Mueller had a smoking gun, we’d be watching impeachment hearings by now.



To paraphrase


After years of investigation the prosecution will be forced to admit that the charges of collusion were fabricated and that Mrs. Clinton did not lose the election because of the Russians.


Are those that believed that Trump hired hookers to pee in a bed that Obama had slept on finally aware of just how bizarre this claim is/was?


Clinton's attempts to identify a scapegoat, rather than admitting her own incompetence has come close to starting WWIII. What an evil twisted woman. What an evil twisted system.
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« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2018, 01:53:47 AM »

 What an evil twisted system.
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Butina Plea deal due - kept in solitary confinement for +3 months for not properly lodging a form? Solitary is usually supposed to be for extremely violent prisoners, death row inmates and terrorists, so wtf is such a cruel punishment being inflicted upon a person who has not even been found guilty of anything as yet? The world truly has gone insane on multiple levels.

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‘Parties resolved the matter’

A team from the Russian embassy in Washington DC have been visiting Butina in jail in Virginia, where she is being held in solitary confinement. The team accused her jailers of trying to “break her will” with strip searches, denial of medication, and other forms of “psychological pressure and humiliation.”

Butina will now enter her new plea as early as Tuesday, according to documents filed on Monday.

Human rights lawyer Dan Kovalik told RT that Butina’s is most likely a “political case,” with the 30-year-old Russian used as a “pawn” to sabotage US-Russia relations.

“If she had filed the piece of paper with the Attorney General’s office, everything she did was  legal,” defense attorney Robert Driscoll told RT. “This is more of a registration type of crime that an espionage crime, and yet the media and the government to some extent are treating it as an espionage crime.”

Before news of Butina’s apparent intention to plead guilty to something, Kovalic foresaw the US dropping her charges after a prolonged detention. Her own defense lawyers and the prosecution team released a statement last month saying they “remain optimistic about a pretrial resolution.”


https://www.rt.com/usa/446092-butina-plea-meeting-cooperation/

Talk about political prisoners! Toss in Assange and Meng Wanzhou, Huawei's global chief financial officer with Papadopoulos. Unilateral sanctions against other countries are 100% Political and based on bias not hard evidence nor a conviction by a Jury or a Judge in a fair Court of Law.

Visitors to a country are supposed to know about every single Law ever passed and still on the books? If you were a genuine 'pro-gun activists' in your country you too would go to the USA ask for help and learn how to be a better activist for the cause you believed in from the NRA etc. Common bloody sense.

"FARA? WTF is FARA," she asked stupidly. "Why TF are you doing this to me? WTF have I done? I am not a criminal," she pleaded desperately to her jailers.   

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« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2018, 10:11:50 AM »
"Document: Mariia Butina Plea Agreement," the latest from Mikhaila Fogel
DoJ DC Office written Dec 6th 2018
https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-maria-butina-plea-agreement

“This is an utter and total miscarriage of justice,”
retired CIA agent and whistleblower John Kiriakou told RT after Butina pleaded guilty to the charge of failing to register with the Justice Department as an agent of the Russian government.

“You can see clearly, this is not about justice, this is not about criminal activity. This is about making a political point. This is about identifying Russia and Russians as the enemy of the United States, and punishing them.”

“We arrested this young woman because we need dirt on Trump and Russia. And she is Russian, political and pro-Trump,” US legal analyst Jennifer Breedon explained. “We are seeing [the Foreign Agents Registration Act - FARA] being used specifically as it relates to undermining the Donald Trump administration or conservatives really with anybody involved in Russia, friends with Russia or contacts.”

John Kiriakou believes this borderline “torture” could have forced her to admit to a crime she might never even have committed.

This woman is not an enemy combatant. So, unless news surfaces that there was some kind of skirmish or issue within the jail... it seems to go against US policy and laws as to who is forced into solitary confinement, just based solely on the charges that were lodged against her,” Breedon said.


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Some of the things she is agreeing to are:
cooperating with Law enforcement and Government 'officials' until further notice; and being questioned without a lawyer present as to any subject the Prosecution of the DoJ may wish to purse, to provide signed witness statements, to engage in covert law enforcement operations, sit for a polygraph at any time, allow a full investigation into her assets and sources of income, relinquish any funds/assets that arose due to 'criminal' activity,  hand over all evidence of 'crimes', contraband, proceeds of, to which she is aware and attend Grand Juries when requested and answer all questions truthfully .... and any of dozens of requirements if she breaches one it's all null and void - meanwhile she is pleading guilty for 'a crime' with a recommended penalty of 0-6mths jail and a $0-$9500 fine - however there is NO guarantee that will be the Sentence as the determination is totally up to the Court itself ..... and she cannot withdraw her guilty plea nor appeal that sentence, and there is no time set for when sentencing will be set down to be heard in Court, and until such times she shall remain in Custody with nil Bail applying.

Any 'false' 'misleading' information provided by Butina to date that is discovered in the future, or is provided in the future makes the agreement Null and Void.

One can only assume she is pleading Guilty to "failing to Register as a Foreign Agent" because she really IS an Agent of the Government of Russia. If so, then she must have been hired to act as an "Agent" by that very Government before or during her arrival in the USA in 2015/16. And further one would 'assume' that there is an audit trail which would prove she was in the Employ and being paid by said Government to work as an "Agent" for it.

If that is not in fact the case, then one would surely wonder as to why and for what purpose is she pleading guilty for?  As it turns out the complaint indicates she was 'hired' to act on behalf of the deputy head of the Russian Central Bank, and not the Govt per se. To enhance communication channels, future cooperation, and building trust between Russia and USA 'movers and shakers' that included the NRA membership and people potentially connected to the future Trump administration. I think it's called: 'talking' with each other.' 

Apparently, (not knowing all the details obviously) had she actually Registered under FARA there was no crime - merely like-minded people discussing issues of the day and making arrangements to attend functions like Gun shows and BBQs and drinks in both countries = a criminal conspiracy now.

This may put an end to the global 'Sister Cities' arrangements, international Business councils and Rotary programs, and the International Scout Jamborees too. 

There is no indication in known documents if Butina, Russian 1 or American 1 were cognizant of FARA or that the said "consultancy project" may have come under the aegis of that Statute - set in place long before WW2 and not prosecuted for nigh on 60 years since WW2.

There is no indication that any of the parties, in particualr Butina conspired intentionally to avoid any suspected or foreknowledge of a requirement to make a FARA registration in June 2018.

There is no indication that any of her actions and words were designed to deceive any Amercian she came in contact with as to her activities, intentions and goals; nor to hide from others with whom she was representing and in contact with in Russia.

There is no indication  that Butina or anyone else engaged in any subterfuge whatsoever with the purpose to hide their communications from US law Enforcement, NSA etc. at any time or for any nefarious purpose or intent.

There is no indication whatsoever that Butina or anyone else engaged in any direct nefarious contact or communication with Russian Embassy staffers or suspected Intelligence Agents within the US.

In fact, given the evidence thus far presented and everyday common sense, it appears to be the complete opposite of that. Just a group of individuals seeking to improve relationships, contacts and communication between people of influence within both the US and Russia for the benefit of both groups and nations.

But of course, similar to the 'opinions' mentioned at the top of the post, I do not know for sure if this summary is accurate either, as I wasn't there in her circles at the time either. What we all do know though is that Butina is (at this point afaik) pleading guilty to not registering under the FARA regulations. And that is all.
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« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2018, 03:35:57 AM »
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"There you go again Lurk, defending the 'dictator' Putin and those 'lying' Russians trying to take over the whole world!"

"(sigh) Oh dear me, not so. It's called pointing out what is right in front of people's faces but they refuse to look at it. As do a majority of the journalists in the MSM."

"Oh what rubbish you speak. Butina is obviously guilty and that's why she pleaded guilty."

"Well, so what? What about everyone else who has not been arrested and thrown into solitary confinement? What about those Foreign Agents of other nations States?"

"Yeah? More conspiracy theories by a paid Russian troll I see. Like who are all these Foreign Agents you imagine are working in the USA?"

"What a much better world it would be and much better forum too, if questions like that were driven by genuine curiosity and some skepticism."


If I have learned one true thing from my life's experience it is that most of the time Truth is in plain view staring us right in the face

Wouldn't a fair and reasonable question for Journalists to ask about and do FOIA requests on be: How many Saudi nationals are registered with FARA?

Another may be: Are the following 'XYZ' Saudi nationals who are funding US NFP Think Tanks and who are supporting the Clinton Foundation with hard cash, and who are paying high prices for access to all other US Politicians in their "social circles" properly Registered with FARA?

Would it not be great if the Saudis, Kuwait and Bahrain could sell their Oil to all the countries who won't be able to buy it from Russia, Iran and Venezuela as they are moved closer into 'basket case' states?

Would it not be great for US Qatari Oman gas companies to supply Europe, China and Japan with all the LNG they are currently buying from Russia, especially if we could block their new Gas pipelines being laid?

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There's no conspiracy theory required in Journalists and the public questioning the accepted status quo.

Wouldn't a fair and reasonable question for Journalists to ask about and do FOIA requests on be: How many Israeli nationals are registered with FARA?

Better still: How many US nationals are running 'PR projects' inside the US for the direct political and economic benefit of Israel and the Israeli State, and who have direct contacts with Israel Embassy staff and senior Israeli Government officials?   

Another question may be: Are the following 'XYZ' Israeli and US nationals who are funding US NFP Think Tanks and who are supporting the anti-BDS movements with hard cash, funding advertising campaigns, and promoting changes ot US Laws to US politicians and Government officials, and who are paying high prices for access to all other US Politicians in their "social circles" ... are they too properly Registered with FARA?

If not why not?

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The Israel lobby US Project

It is not hard to see the reasons Qatar has to suppress the film.
Since the start of the Saudi-United Arab Emirates blockade of Qatar in June 2017, Qatar has poured tens of millions of dollars into lobbying in Washington, in an attempt to persuade the Trump administration to reverse its policies of de facto support for the blockade.
Since Trump and other Republican politicians are staunchly pro-Israel, the Qataris have increasingly sought to cozy up to Israel as a way to ingratiate themselves in Washington.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/al-jazeera-denies-qatari-emir-censored-israel-lobby-film

The Electronic Intifada has obtained a complete copy of The Lobby – USA, a four-part undercover investigation by Al Jazeera into Israel’s covert influence campaign in the United States.
The film was made by Al Jazeera during 2016 and was completed in October 2017.
But it was censored after Qatar, the gas-rich Gulf emirate that funds Al Jazeera, came under intense Israel lobby pressure not to air the film.
You can watch the first two parts in the video embeds above and below.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/al-jazeera-denies-qatari-emir-censored-israel-lobby-film

In the final two parts of of the film, Tony gets a deeper look at Israel’s covert influence campaigns during his internship for The Israel Project. Watch parts three and four in the videos embedded above and below.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-final-episodes-al-jazeera-film-us-israel-lobby/25896

I do not know what those who have seen that documentary think about it, but there appears to me to be ample examples of prima facie evidence and witnesses to hundreds of people whose activities would come under the purview of the FARA Regulations and Laws.

Versus the Russian Lobby 'project' that involved Mariia Butina?

Of course it is so easy to dismiss the influence and the political clout that the Oil and Gas Industry and the States of Israel and Saudi Arabia and Co. have upon United States Politicians and Media Corporations overall as being non-existent.

Surely journalists and everyday people can tell the difference between genuine Intelligence threats to the Security of the United States or her Allies, and the unrelated grass corporate lobbying by mega-wealthy stakeholders who wish to increase their international exports some.

Buy thankfully the US Department of Justice and the FBI are completely apolitical bodies with the highest degree of integrity and impartiality. They are totally unbiased as they go about their good work to apply the Laws of the land equally upon all without fear or favour.

Of course, of course. Or as Hillary might say, as she did about Julian Assange:
"Oh why can't we just 'drone' Butina?"
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« Reply #76 on: December 15, 2018, 04:06:02 AM »
A few words about news media Conspiracy Theorists :)

Breaking News; He's Done; We Got Him; Bombshell; Today is a Turning Point; the Beginning of the End; Another New Bombshell; Impeachment; Resignation; the Walls are Closing In; Will Resign; We've said it over and over and over and over again; This is a Tipping Point; Breaking Overnight Bombshell; Crippled; Today is the Day that everything changed; You can Mark it down; the Beginning of the End (again); Is in Trouble; Is Going Down; Resignation; Won't Serve out his Term; Absolute Bombshell; It's Over; the Walls are Closing in (again); Tipping Point; In Big Trouble; Today Changed Everything; Bombshell; Bombshell; Bombshell; Bombshell; Bombshell; Bombshell.

..... Rachel Maddow: "I'm beginning to resent the word Bombshell!" <smiling>



American journalist Walter Lippmann observed,Where all think alike, no one thinks very much!
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« Reply #77 on: December 15, 2018, 06:19:15 AM »
Not every journalist and media entity is asleep at the wheel while ignoring information by sources on the inside.

Mueller may turn to Middle East to pursue Trump ‘collusion’

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Special counsel Robert Mueller is reportedly preparing to shift the focus of the interminable Russiagate investigation to the Middle East, where at least three countries may have tried their hands at “election meddling.”

Claiming indictments will start dropping in early 2019, sources close to the matter say that Mueller’s team has been discussing the possibility of filing charges pertaining to election meddling by Israeli, Emirati, and Saudi nationals. These well-connected figures not only offered US President Donald Trump assistance on his way to the White House – a report by the Daily Beast claims – they also tried to meddle in policies once he was there.

“If this is going to be unveiled, this would be like the surfacing of the submarine but on the other plank which we haven’t seen,” said Harry Litman, a former US attorney with knowledge of the probe.

Foreign influence-peddling is not exactly a new phenomenon in the US. The Foreign Agents Registration Act, originally intended to counter Nazi Germany’s propaganda, has for decades been something that only “official” foreign lobbyists had to take into account. Even among those there are some notable exceptions that happen to include a country mentioned by the Beast.

[...]  there were Middle Eastern influence peddlers, who got involved with the Russians as well as Trump.

Maybe this will finally bring into US media spotlight that Flynn’s much-damned meeting with the Russian ambassador was in fact to petition for Israel’s interests and against the position of then-President Barack Obama.

https://www.rt.com/news/446477-mueller-investigation-israel-saudi/

Ref:
Get Ready for Mueller’s Phase Two: The Middle East Connection
The ‘Russia investigation’ is set to go global. In court filings due to drop in 2019, prosecutors will unveil Middle Eastern countries’ attempts to influence U.S. politics.
Erin Banco 12.13.18

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While one part of the Mueller team has indicted Russian spies and troll-masters, another cadre has been spending its time focusing on how Middle Eastern countries pushed cash to Washington politicos in an attempt to sway policy under President Trump’s administration. Various witnesses affiliated with the Trump campaign have been questioned about their conversations with deeply connected individuals from the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, according to people familiar with the probe. Topics in those meetings ranged from the use of social-media manipulation to help install Trump in the White House to the overthrow of the regime in Iran.

Now, according to those same sources, the Special Counsel’s Office is ready to outline what cooperating witnesses have told them about foreigners’ plans to help Trump win the presidency. Two sources with knowledge of the probe said Mueller’s team has for months discussed the possibility of issuing new charges on this side of the investigation.[/i]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/get-ready-for-muellers-phase-two-the-middle-east-connection 
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« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2018, 11:17:02 AM »
My, my, my. You could blow me down with a feather! :) Mindful there is a lot of default biases in the following 2 media reports and a distinct lack of substantive evidence. Many claims, assertions and coincidences but little all else. Plus it's a bit of old news too to be sure. Which was where Woodward and Bernstein began, so maybe in due course .... maybe something could come of it. One day.  Could it all depend on whether Mueller is wrapping up or moving forward into other areas? And what if anything his investigation might have handed onto to others in the DoJ. 

‘Unregistered foreign agent’: Clinton Foundation oversight panel hears explosive testimony
Published time: 15 Dec, 2018

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"The foundation began acting as an agent of foreign governments early in its life and continued doing so throughout its existence, as such, the foundation should have registered under FARA."

Moynihan and fellow ex-government investigator Lawrence Doyle shared 6,000 pages of evidence with the IRS over 18 months ago, only to be met with silence. They shared them with the FBI multiple times – ditto. Yet when the pair testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, they refused to turn over the documents, stating they did not want to interfere with any ongoing investigations. [...]

Testifying on their findings, Doyle highlighted the Foundation’s alleged “misuse of donated public funds,” explaining that it “falsely attested that it received funds and used them for charitable purposes which was, in fact, not the case. Rather the foundation pursued in an array of activities both domestically and abroad,” which included activities “properly characterized as profit-oriented and taxable undertakings of private enterprise, again failing the operational tests of philanthropy referenced above,” referring to the equally non-charitable pursuit of funding the Clinton Presidential Library.

John Huber, appointed by former Attorney General Jeff Sessions to investigate the Clinton Foundation after Sessions recused himself from doing so, was conspicuously absent from the hearing, even though his job is to probe Clinton’s approval of the sale of US uranium assets to Russia.

Judicial Watch’s Tom Fitton also gave testimony, outlining how “it was hard to tell where the Clinton State Department ended and the Clinton Foundation began” – so much so that the King of Bahrain, unable to meet with Clinton as Secretary of State, secured a meeting with the Foundation instead. [...]

Meanwhile, the FBI has missed a deadline to turn over information on why they raided the home of another Clinton Foundation whistleblower, Nathan Cain, earlier this week. Cain’s lawyer says his client – who reportedly gave the Justice Department documents showing federal officials failed to investigate criminal activity related to the Uranium One deal – was accused of possessing stolen federal property.

https://www.rt.com/usa/446522-clinton-foundation-foreign-agent-testimony/


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Among a trove of documents relating to the controversial deal, the FBI has identified 37 pages that could shine a light on why then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration approved the deal.

The pages were recently added to the agency’s Freedom of Information Act online vault. The only problem - they’re classified.
https://vault.fbi.gov/uranium-one-transaction/uranium-one-transaction-part-01-of-01/view

The reasons given for the classification will sound familiar to anyone following President Trump’s recent struggle to declassify another set of FBI documents: doing so would violate the privacy of individuals involved, would place national security at risk, would disclose secret law enforcement techniques, and would reveal confidential inter-agency communication, among others. [...]

As the deal was being hashed out, the FBI planted a spy posing as a consultant, businessman William Douglas Campbell, in Rosatom. Campbell uncovered evidence that Rosatom’s main executive in America, Vadim Mikerin, was involved in bribery, extortion, and money laundering, as he sought to gain “improper business advantages” for US firms that worked with a Rosatom-owned firm he chaired.

The FBI compiled Campbell’s evidence, and Mikerin was charged and deported, but not until summer 2018. Back in 2010, the Obama administration approved the sale of Uranium One to Rosatom anyway.

The sale needed to be approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CIFUS), which was chaired by Hillary Clinton. Campbell told three separate Congressional committees that Moscow had hired lobbying firm APCO Worldwide to use its influence with Clinton to negotiate the deal, for which the Clinton Foundation would receive generous kickbacks.

Republicans held that something was amiss, citing Bill Clinton’s $500,000 fee for a speech in Moscow in 2010 as proof the Clintons were peddling influence for Russian money. At the same time, Mrs. Clinton was pushing for a great “reset” in US-Russia relations. The plot thickens.

The FBI director at the time? None other than Robert Mueller, currently the Witch-Hunter-in-chief, leading the crusade against the Trump team. What a difference eight years make.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced in March that a federal prosecutor from Utah, John Huber, would look into both the Uranium One deal and FBI misconduct in the Clinton email investigation. Trump too seemed eager to get to the bottom of the scandal, and has regularly bashed Clinton for her alleged role in facilitating the sale.

    Uranium deal to Russia, with Clinton help and Obama Administration knowledge, is the biggest story that Fake Media doesn't want to follow!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 19, 2017

https://www.rt.com/usa/440256-clinton-uranium-documents-classified/


No need to restrict oneself to these RT pages - just do a search for many other reports on these interrelated connected topics. Meanwhile the Political theatre/wrestling is not over yet. ;)
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« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2018, 04:23:33 AM »
Out of sight, out of mind.

November 29, 2018
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON, SENIOR FELLOW, STANFORD UNIVERSITY HOOVER INSTITUTION: I would just say I don't think that's quite correct because the verdict is not out. Eric Holder was the first attorney general to be held in contempt of Congress. Lois Lerner pled the Fifth Amendment and we don't know what's going to happen with the Obama FBI, CIA, NSC, and DOJ officials because the verdict is not out on Bruce Ohr.

Eight to 10 FBI officials have already been retired or reassigned or maybe facing indictment. We saw that James Comey and John Brennan, James Clapper, it's not over because we are looking at a situation where a presidential candidate hired a foreign national to find dirt on her opponent in that dossier was seeded among top officials of the Obama administration. We haven't had an accounting, ethical or legal yet and it's coming.

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« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2018, 12:16:05 AM »
Isikoff retreats on Russiagate claims:

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“Would you agree that a lot of what is in the Steele Dossier has been at least somewhat vindicated?”

“No,” said Isikoff flatly.
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https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/19/michael-isikoff-cuts-his-loses-at-russian-roulette/

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« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2018, 02:58:28 PM »
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/White_Book_Voltaire_Network_-2.pdf
CONCLUSION
The facts set forth above clearly demonstrate that under the influence of extremists from ultranationalistic and neo-Nazi forces, and with the active multidimensional support of the USA and the European Union and its members, the protests in Ukraine which bore an initially peaceful character rapidly escalated into a coercive rebellion and, in the end, the forceful seizure of power and an unconstitutional coup d'etat. These dramatic events were accompanied by widespread and gross violations of human rights and freedoms on the part of the self-proclaimed government and its supporters. As a result, manifestations of extremist, ultranationalist, and neo-Nazistic sentiments, religious intolerance, xenophobia, blatant blackmail, threats, pressure placed by the Maidan leaders on their opponents, «purges» and arrests amongst them, repression, physical violence, and sometimes plain criminal lawlessness have become commonplace in Ukraine.
In all of Ukraine’s regions, but especially in the southeastern part of the country, Ukrainian radical nationalists, instructed by the de facto authorities in Kiev and their external patrons, are ramping up the pressure on Russian-speaking citizens who do not want to lose the centuries-old ties that bind them to Russia and Russian culture. Moreover, affairs are being conducted Maidan-style — through the use of threats, intimidation, physical violence, and heinous attempts to obliterate Russian culture and identity among the inhabitants of these regions of Ukraine.
Unfortunately, all of the gross human rights violations and violations of the principle of the rule of law that have been committed and are still being committed remain unpunished. Moreover, the bandits from Euromaidan who, weapons in hand, committed atrocities against the legal authorities and citizens have been amnestied
White book on violations of human rights 64 and the rule of law in Ukraine
by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine and declared national heroes. We are convinced that if the lawlessness in Ukraine continues, the situation may erupt into a serious threat to regional peace and security and lead to further escalation of international and interethnic contradicions and conflicts in Ukraine and Europe in general.
We hope that this fact will finally be recognized in the relevant international organizations, which in accordance with their mandates must contribute to the conducting of objective and non-politicized investigations into the numerous violations of human rights and the principle of the rule of law in Ukraine. The perpetrators must be duly punished. Otherwise, extremists of all stripes and colors will receive a dangerous signal of encouragement.

                                         ---------------------------------

http://www.voltairenet.org/article202894.html
John Bolton at the Federalist Society on US policy toward the International Criminal Court
In theory, the ICC holds perpetrators of the most egregious atrocities accountable for their crimes, provides justice to the victims, and deters future abuses. In practice, however, the court has been ineffective, unaccountable, and indeed, outright dangerous. Moreover, the largely unspoken, but always central, aim of its most vigorous supporters was to constrain the United States. The objective was not limited to targeting individual US service members, but rather America’s senior political leadership, and its relentless determination to keep our country secure.

The ICC was formally established in July 2002, following the entry into force of the Rome Statute. In May 2002, however, President George W Bush authorised the United States to "un-sign" the Rome Statute because it was fundamentally illegitimate. The ICC and its prosecutor had been granted potentially enormous, essentially unaccountable powers, and alongside numerous other glaring and significant flaws, the International Criminal Court constituted an assault on the constitutional rights of the American people and the sovereignty of the United States.

In no uncertain terms, the ICC was created as a free-wheeling global organization claiming jurisdiction over individuals without their consent.

According to the Rome Statute, the ICC has authority to prosecute genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes of aggression. It claims "automatic jurisdiction," meaning that it can prosecute individuals even if their own governments have not recognized, signed, or ratified the treaty.

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« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2018, 03:59:51 PM »

http://www.voltairenet.org/article202894.html
John Bolton at the Federalist Society on US policy toward the International Criminal Court
"In theory, the ICC holds perpetrators of the most egregious atrocities accountable for their crimes, provides justice to the victims, and deters future abuses. In practice, however, the court has been ineffective, unaccountable, and indeed, outright dangerous. Moreover, the largely unspoken, but always central, aim of its most vigorous supporters was to constrain the United States. The objective was not limited to targeting individual US service members, but rather America’s senior political leadership, and its relentless determination to keep our country secure.

The ICC was formally established in July 2002, following the entry into force of the Rome Statute. In May 2002, however, President George W Bush authorised the United States to "un-sign" the Rome Statute because it was fundamentally illegitimate. The ICC and its prosecutor had been granted potentially enormous, essentially unaccountable powers, and alongside numerous other glaring and significant flaws, the International Criminal Court constituted an assault on the constitutional rights of the American people and the sovereignty of the United States.

In no uncertain terms, the ICC was created as a free-wheeling global organization claiming jurisdiction over individuals without their consent.

According to the Rome Statute, the ICC has authority to prosecute genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes of aggression. It claims "automatic jurisdiction," meaning that it can prosecute individuals even if their own governments have not recognized, signed, or ratified the treaty."
My bolding - just to make it clear that all that followed was a quote from Bolton's talk.


Would the ICC have demanded that the Canadian government arrest the daughter of China's tech giant Huawei and turn her over to the States to face a ridiculously long sentence?
I'd much prefer to see Bolton facing charges in Russia.


How can one come to terms with a country that simply "unsigns" agreements, rather than making any attempt to live up to them?
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« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2018, 03:40:43 PM »
 No US election systems were compromised, but Russia and other countries did run influence and messaging campaigns on social media during the 2018 midterms, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats reported to the White House.

Russia “and other foreign countries, including China and Iran,” conducted “influence activities and messaging campaigns” on social media in order to “promote their strategic interests,” the top US intelligence official wrote in a report made public on Friday evening.

Reports in US media outlets presented Coats’s letter as confirmation of Russian election meddling, while Senator Mark Warner (D-Virginia) – one of the chief advocates of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory – quickly piped up with calls to increase regulation of social media.

    "Now that the Russian playbook is out in the open, we’re going to see more and more adversaries trying to take advantage" per @MarkWarner "Congress has to step up and enact some much-needed guardrails on social media" pic.twitter.com/mBETeJsmk6
    — Jeff Seldin (@jseldin) December 21, 2018

Oh yes please. Guardrails would be a great help. Might stop some people going off the deep end of a cliff? Brilliant. But wouldn't an Internet Border Wall be better? Would someone please put the USA into an Internet Bubble separate from the rest of the planet where they can carry on all by themselves? Where no message gets in and no message can get out? Please! Oh please would this be done, for everyone's sake.
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« Reply #84 on: December 23, 2018, 06:37:20 PM »
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« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2018, 07:48:02 AM »
    You’ll be surprised to learn I have some grievances with people in Washington, fellow members and others. It’s time to talk about them now, because it’s the holiday season.
    — Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) December 23, 2018
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1076928047641751553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Speaking of criminal justice reform, I have to give Jared Kushner credit. He was great on this. And I’m glad I got to know him, because before that I was a bit suspicious he was the kid from the Omen movie all grown up.


And folks, that is NOT who you want in charge of your Middle East peace plans.

My friend Lindsay Graham is a bit mad right now. You see, he’s never seen a war end before. He’s going to have to console himself with the fact that we still are in about 8 more. I know it will be hard for him, but I think he’ll get by.


I have to tell you; I haven’t seen a Senator who loves war this much since the Star Wars Prequels.

See how soon people like John McCain get forgotten ...... :)
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« Reply #87 on: December 30, 2018, 12:22:45 AM »
What a sick joke this all is!

Ah yes, those evil Russian Troll Farms selling advertising and products using CLICK BAIT on Americans with their "massive 2016 election propaganda campaigns" that spent $4,700 on Youtube and $107K on Facebook (50% spent AFTER the Election!!!) Like how dumb is that? These Russians are obviously rank idiots!

When Twitter was trying to sell RT (Putin's personal propaganda arm?) a $1.4 Million advertising package (and a plan up to $3.3 million!) for the 2016 Election period!!!

RT was "so inept" however they missed this great opportunity to "meddle in the US Elections on behalf of PUTIN the GREAT" and knocked Twitter back ... but Twitter attacked RT in 2017 for being an "Election Propagandist" anyway.

Revealed: How Twitter pushed RT to spend big on 2016 US election
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/407858-rt-twitter-us-election/
Twitter’s multi-million dollar US election pitch to RT revealed in FULL
https://www.rt.com/news/407919-twitter-multi-million-offer-rt/
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RT reveals its top promoted tweets during US election campaign, & the results may surprise you
Out of 70 top promoted tweets only five had links to the US presidential campaign. The story about Donald Trump addressing Hillary Clinton’s email scandal in a presidential debate set RT back some $185. Another one – on the prospects for oil prices in case Trump decides to scrap the Iranian nuclear deal – has cost just over $204. Some $141 was spent to promote a tweet on Max Keiser's describing Trump's presidency as an acid test for the US constitution. Also, RT spent some $109 and $92 on tweets about Jill Stein talking about America's two-party system and Trump being rushed off stage in Reno respectively.
https://www.rt.com/news/408506-rt-reveals-tweets-promotion/

Meanwhile, Mueller has put off the court appearance by Michael Flynn. You know the guy who was asked by his 'Israeli Govt friends' to seek out the feelings of the Russians via the Russian US Ambassador and forgot to mention that unrelated incident and so was forced to 'plead guilty' for lying to the FBI.

Yes, that Israel. The one who wanted to undo that Obama & Hillary Clinton pro-Iranian agreement. Despite all the cash thrown at the Clinton foundation by the Saudis and Gulf States - yes that Foundation.

Now I am left wondering how many of the pro-Israel Govt lobbyists and NFP orgs exposed in this 3 part documentary are not registered with FARA but should be? 
https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

And how many Israelis and pro-Israel US citizens have been caught in the net announced in Sept 2018 so far - such as those Israelis with the ear of Jared Corey Kushner at their beck and call? I cannot think of any national Govt more Pro-Trump than Israel was and still is!!!

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President Donald Trump has signed an executive order that will slap sanctions on foreign companies or people who interfere in US elections.

The sanctions will target anyone attacking election infrastructure or distributing propaganda or misinformation, national security adviser John Bolton claimed. The order, Bolton said, will “protect the United States from foreign interference in our elections and really our political process more broadly.”

And what about UK based "Integrity Initiative" equally as pro-Israel as any 'establishment' PsyOps could be?
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There are plans "to inform Russian citizens, reinforce the democratic opposition" and "explore the use of entertainment via TV and radio to carry messages" while also giving courses to bankers, students, and, most alarmingly, UK schoolchildren, on the Kremlin threat.

Lists of hundreds of respectable public figures in categories like 'US Cluster', 'UK Inner Core' and 'UK Journalists' including Washington Post contributor and LSE academic Anne Applebaum, Times columnist David Aaronovitch, and BBC's Jonathan Marcus. Other registers include private emails of UK embassy officials stationed around the globe, while foreign and defense ministries of several NATO allies are also on board.

On the Foreign Office application the other funders namechecked are the US State Department, NATO headquarters, and Facebook, which contributed "£100,000 for research and education activities."

 Irony alert: Firm that warned Americans of Russian bots...was running an army of fake Russian bots
29 Dec, 2018 by Danielle Ryan Irish freelance writer based in Dublin.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447630-russian-bots-new-knowledge/

Yep, there sure are many similarities with the 2016 election Hype (CON JOB?) and Pro-Wrestling.

Putin must be extremely disappointed with the efforts of his #1 Propaganda Arm in the West!!! The RT executives must be scared for their lives now having let him down like this.
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« Reply #88 on: December 30, 2018, 12:39:45 AM »
At least Jimmy can tell it like it is:

"They never tell you any of this stuff! And that's why people don't trust the news media because they shouldn't when it comes to important stuff like this."

"Here's their website 'New Knowledge, the first disinformation defense solution for leading brands.' They're the solution!!!"
https://youtu.be/hqLIJznUNVw?t=665


"So there's a big problem - Russia is controlling everything - well don't worry, you give us some money, we'll fix it for you! And who said there was a big Russia problem - we did! And who's gonna fix it - we will! For how much - lots and lots of money!

"And how do you guys get the media to print this bullshit - it sells papers baby! They can't wait to print it. The newspapers can't wait to print this stuff! MSNBC can't wait to run this garbage! CNN can't wait to run this garbage! They can't wait. It sells papers! It gets clicks! It gets viewers!"
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« Reply #89 on: December 30, 2018, 12:43:50 AM »
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Haw!
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« Reply #90 on: December 30, 2018, 12:56:24 AM »
Have no fear sheeple! They will all be reinstated on Facebook soon enough ... as they have "the right kind" of Facebook Friends in High Places! ;)
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« Reply #91 on: December 30, 2018, 02:32:15 AM »
Maybe the better question to be asking is who is living inside the greater hallucination?

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« Reply #92 on: December 31, 2018, 10:51:30 AM »
When I watch or read about that New Knowledge stuff, I'm so happy I opened this thread. Not only do we have to fear meddling via social media by bad actors, we also need to be aware of other bad actors exploiting that fear. What a mess.
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« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2019, 07:56:33 AM »
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury has been granted an extension to further probe the alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election. Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the federal district court for Washington, DC has reportedly granted a six-month extension to the body. The grand jury was due to expire on Sunday, as federal grand juries can typically only serve up to 18 months unless the court rules an extension is in the “public interest.” While Mueller has shown no signs of concluding his probe, under existing rules, a six-month extension is the maximum extra time he could secure for the investigation, which has thus far turned up no evidence of collusion between President Trump and Russia.
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« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2019, 07:18:51 AM »
Some things in life are harder to kill than Bamboo! :)

Collusion with… Ukraine? NY Times corrects its bombshell ‘Russiagate’ report
Published time: 10 Jan, 2019

If a semi-retracted New York Times story, relying on an unreliable anonymous source and mistaking Ukrainians for Russians, is the “closest” thing to proof of collusion, perhaps there is no ‘there’ there after all.

    Will this rather obviously significant correction change any of the claims made about this story yesterday? To pose the question is to answer it:
https://t.co/fQjQzr32J1pic.twitter.com/YHFBD0oj4U
    — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 9, 2019

    This is a big correction. And a bit late now the disinformation is all over social media. So, basically Manafort’s US polling data was given to Ukrainians. Not a Russian. But ‘Russiagate’ etc. https://t.co/xwzlaZnzYe
    — Bryan MacDonald (@27khv) January 9, 2019

https://www.rt.com/usa/448427-manafort-russia-collusion-polling/
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« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2019, 01:43:59 AM »
Hoover would chortle and rub his hands with glee. Good times are back ! New cold war, politically motivated FBI.

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No deal, no new negotiations. May's party doesn't recognize a too good deal. Eurotunnel should be shut for they want it themselves. And Irish border should have a wall. Get a passport for travels to mainland Europe while you still can.
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sidd posted this in the wrong thread. I will rectify that.

(coping it to the Trump Presidency thread for the record)

The Mechanics of Deception  - the Steele Dossier on Trump et al

Posted on March 17, 2018 by Yaacov Apelbaum

(closing statements)

Anyone who has ever worked in intelligence knows that a good brief should answer the who, what, when, where, how, and why questions. Almost none of the allegations in the dossier offer hard corroboration. It is mostly based on generalizations, truisms, and a lot of materials that were circulating on the internet and Ukrainian circles since the mid 2000s. The writers of the dossier anticipated this criticism and countered it by building-in plausible deniability for most of the allegations through statements like:

“but key witnesses silenced and evidence hard to obtain” or “all direct witnesses to this recently had been “silenced”…”

It seems that the real dossier story is not the scandalous insinuations that it makes, but rather it’s the funding sources, the teams that worked on it, and its compilation and distribution channels.

At peak capacity, the dossier team must have consisted of at least 25 individuals who worked on it for over 6-12 months. Assuming a modest $200 per hour rate per person, some first/business class travel and accommodations, media, consulting, IT, and legal services, this project must have cost an upwards of 5-10 million dollars.

According to Simpson’s testimony and documents, Fusion GPS was only paid about a million dollars by the DNC and Clinton campaign, which begs the questions of what was Hakluyt’s cut and where did the rest of the money go?

Simpson and Steele did far more than simply conduct sordid opposition research for the Clinton campaign. By various machinations, they successfully reached the most influential people in UK and US politics, the media, and federal government agencies and shaped/influenced the narrative of the 2016 presidential elections.

There is little doubt that Simpson/Jacoby and their US political/media network and Steele with his enablers in Hakluyt, the British media, and the Foreign Office successfully waged a full-scale influence operation against the US and are continuing to do so even now.

https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2018/03/17/the-mechanics-of-deception/
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« Reply #98 on: January 16, 2019, 11:09:05 AM »
Why would anyone ever trust Open Source investigations and intelligence gathering? Damned if I know! :)

The Mechanics of Deception

Image 10: The Dossier Graph

So is it reasonable to assume that all of these incestuous relationships are coincidental? Ian Fleming, a naval intelligence officer and the creator of James Bond, contemplated the problem of coincidental relationships in intelligence operations and came up with the answer in his maxim:

”Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”
 

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A couple of well worn names that also pop up are:  Luke Harding, Pablo Miller, Sergei Skripal, Mark Urban, Sergei Magnisky, William Browder, Sidney Blumenthal, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Martha Ohr, Edward Baumgartner, Victoria Nuland, Nancy Pelosi, David Cay Johnston, David Kramer, Jake Tapper, Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, and Carl Bernstein, Stefan Halper, Jonathan Clarke, Richard Dearlove, Charles Crawford, Iain Lobban, and Alexander Downer, Robert Otto, Mary Jacoby, Strobe Talbott, Cody Shearer, Bill Clinton, Brooke Shearer, Hillary Clinton, Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, Neil King, Shailagh Murray, the Atlantic Council and the McCain Institute.

I strongly recommend reading the entire item (give yourself an hour to take it slow). You'll quickly understand ( I hope ) why it will never make it into the MSM. Maybe Jimmy Dore, Mate or those like them may cover it in a cursory sense but that's it. If Greenwald had a clue or the time he would make a project out of it for the Intercept by bringing multiple sources to bear on the same story/timeline and the players involved. Maybe one day.


The final part kicks in about 60% down the page .... it doesn't give what comes before enough credit but it's fair enough as a summary.

Conclusion
So who researched and wrote the core parts of the dossier? ..............................................

https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2018/03/17/the-mechanics-of-deception/
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A couple of classics that may whet your appetite to read through the details further:

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Steele and Simpson were also regularly briefing reporters from The New York Times, The Washington Post, Yahoo! News, MSNBC, The New Yorker, and CNN. Assuming for a second that these alleged reports are genuine, many of them completely betray sources and collection methods.

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This begs the obvious question of how did the subject of Simpson’s alleged conversations with the “Mossad guys” made it into Steele’s independent intelligence reports?

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In 2013, Bruce Ohr acting as the Assistant Deputy Director at DOJ participated in the third St. Petersburg International Legal Forum. He was a speaker at a session titled “Criminal Matters and Allegations of Crimes in International Arbitration”, a topic connected to the Magnitsky Act. It’s interesting that his lecture included many of the components of the yet-to-be dossier’s: “money laundering operations”, “payment of large bribes and kickbacks”, “forged documents”, and “collusive schemes”.

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Writing Style
The dossier’s content and network graphs are interesting, but what about the writing style? Can we find the author’s fingerprints? To perform this analysis, I needed writing samples of a few hundred words from each potential author.

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There are, however, a few anomalies in the data (image 26) that indicate that some of the content—especially the latter reports that are written in an American English and have ‘talking point’ style—have been written by another unidentified author(s).


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Baumgartner and Social Media
In addition to the writing style analyses, I’ve also correlated the content of the dossier briefs with various social media sources like Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook. The results reinforce the conclusion of the writing style results. As you can see below, Baumgartner’s tweets touch on many of the topics and phrases in the dossier such as: Mikhail (Misha) Fridman, The Alfa group, rigging the elections, divisive campaigning, US citizens of Russian (Jewish) origin, Kremlin buyer’s remorse, and others. They also closely match the dossier composition dates.

Baumgartner social media posting history is also noteworthy because it correlates directly with his work in Fusion GPS. For example, he is re-posting information about the dossier utilizing pre-public leaked information. He’s essentially betraying prior knowledge of the dossier by including these specific buzzwords in his tweets.

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Simpson and Jacoby also acted as the sources (using their original research) and intakes for some of the US political material found in the dossier that shows up in phrases like “an American political figure” and “TRUMP’s associate”. This included communications with: Shailagh Murray, Lisa Holtyn, Cody Shearer (who was working on a ‘second Trump-Russia dossier’), and direct emails to and from Sidney Blumenthal, Jonathan Winer, and Scott Dworkin who managed the Democratic Coalition’s opposition research and publication (see samples below).

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Contrary to Simpson’s claim that Steele leaked the dossier content on his own initiative, Fusion GPS took a leading role in the publication process. In addition to coordinating a regular stream of social media postings, they also worked the ‘friendly’ commercial media outlets like CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, New Yorker, and Yahoo News, and published op-eds and expert reviews that supported the dossier’s credibility.

One thing worth noting is that just like in the case of the core dossier network, many of these ‘receptive’ reporters such, David Corn, Joe Palazzolo, David Cay Johnston, Scott Dworkin and Evan Perez (images 32-33) had long incestuous relationships with Fusion GPS and it’s team members.

Joe Palazzolo, Aruna Viswanatha, Steve LeVine, and David Johnston from the New York Times worked for Jacoby as early as 2010 producing Russia and corruption related reports. Between 2016-2018, Palazzolo and Viswanatha, now working for the WSJ wrote dozens of anti-Trump articles. Their publications rate sometime reached one article a week.

Steve LeVine, who now works for Axios delivering “trustworthy news”, wrote a lengthy apologetic article about Fusion GPS and its team, vouching for their credibility and professionalism. LeVine is just one of a dozen of ‘objective’ reporters that have been promoting the dossier and collusion narratives and shielding Fusion GPS, but never disclosing that they had a previous and/or a current business affiliation with Mary Jacoby, Glenn Simpson, and other Fusion GPS actors.


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On 4/27/16, only three days after Browder ordered the hit, Politico published an article titled “MEPs dragged into Russia film row”. It goes without saying that the coverage was derogatory towards the movie and director and used the same unverified Intel that Browder provided Kaminsky.

This is by no means a single isolated incident, Matthew Kaminski, just like Evan Perez, David Cay Johnston, and other anti-Trump reporters dedicate significant amount of their commercial publications as well as their own private Twitter activity to Russia collusion narrative.

In a similar fashion to Kaminski’s and Baumgartner’s Twitter posts, Perez’s, Tapper’s, Sciutto’s, and Bernstein’s tweets (see below) strongly suggest that they also had early and direct access to the dossier team and were actively distributing its content as it was being written.

Oh well more than a couple of examples then. :)
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