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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1000 on: July 22, 2019, 11:24:01 PM »
The patnaiks predict the demise of neoliberal capitalism at monthly review: Long read with some predictions:

" the world economy will now be afflicted by much higher levels of unemployment"

"the era of export-led growth is by and large over for third world economies. "

"the imminent engulfing of a whole range of third world economies in serious balance-of-payments difficulties. "

"the worldwide upsurge of fascism"

"neoliberal capitalism cannot ward off the challenge it is facing for long. It has no vision for reinventing itself."

https://monthlyreview.org/2019/07/01/neoliberal-capitalism-at-a-dead-end/

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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1001 on: July 24, 2019, 06:13:28 PM »
New Republic is (surprise!) upset about environmentalism and capitalism:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/leveraging-climate-hysteria-to-impose-hegemonic-marxism/
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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1002 on: August 10, 2019, 06:41:22 AM »
Milton Friedman's Defense Of Greed Ruined A Whole Generation Of Economists ft. Richard Wolff

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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1003 on: August 10, 2019, 07:14:41 AM »
Greed and coveting others assets have been recognized as human frailties (sins) since before the time of Gudea > 4,000 years ago. Government's place has been to protect the powerless from the powerful.


Our experiment of praising greed while electing governments that protect the powerful from the poor can't be seen as effective in any function other than preserving themselves from the wrath of the citizens.


Friedman was but one of the more verbose shills attempting to cloth these monstrous ideas with a thin veneer of respectability.


Beware of all Nobel Prize awarded economists, these prizes have no connection to the Nobel Foundation and are instead a PR front for ultra-right, neo-cons.
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« Reply #1004 on: August 10, 2019, 07:36:09 AM »
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Beware of all Nobel Prize awarded economists, these prizes have no connection to the Nobel Foundation and are instead a PR front for ultra-right, neo-cons.

Right! It's all marketing. The product is what 99% don't want so they have to hammer all these brains really hard to get the message through.

Now, who is more unethical, Friedman or the believers with their self-imposed immaturity?

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« Reply #1005 on: August 10, 2019, 07:52:43 AM »
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Beware of all Nobel Prize awarded economists, these prizes have no connection to the Nobel Foundation and are instead a PR front for ultra-right, neo-cons.

Right! It's all marketing. The product is what 99% don't want so they have to hammer all these brains really hard to get the message through.

Now, who is more unethical, Friedman or the believers with their self-imposed immaturity?


or


Who is more unethical, the con man or those who fall for the con.


Sorry, but your post serves as an exemplar of the moral ambiguity that the neo-cons are selling.


We put con men in jail, and try to assure that their victims receive compensation.


Not much ambiguity about where the guilt lies. No need to question the ethics.
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« Reply #1006 on: August 10, 2019, 08:34:22 AM »
Sorry, but your post serves as an exemplar of the moral ambiguity that the neo-cons are selling.

That analogy is flawed.

Do you also think Kant was a neocon shill btw?

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We put con men in jail, and try to assure that their victims receive compensation.

No, Terry. Those conman rule your country. None of them is in jail. And no victim receives compensation

On the other hand, everyone is free to escape the propaganda.
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« Reply #1007 on: August 10, 2019, 08:42:28 AM »
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No, Terry. Those conman rule your country. None of them is in jail. And no victim receives compensation.



In my country we shuffle up the cons - and victims actually do receive compensation from time to time.
I'm not American - They told me to love it or leave it, and I did. :)
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« Reply #1008 on: August 10, 2019, 08:49:02 AM »
They told me to love it or leave it, and I did. :)

Good for you, Terry. I honestly admire that!
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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1009 on: August 10, 2019, 10:10:44 AM »
Mark Blyth: Why Do People Continue To Believe Stupid Economic Ideas? - Full Talk (April 2017)

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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1010 on: August 10, 2019, 11:45:15 AM »
.. far too much money where it's not needed . No resources where desperately needed . b.c.
2007 + 5 = 2012 + 4 = 2016 + 3 = 2019 ...

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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1011 on: August 13, 2019, 03:49:22 AM »
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Human-centered capitalism, or Human Capitalism, is something that is geared toward maximizing our own well-being and fulfillment. Many corporations that I have worked for do not put much value on their workers. To them, we are replaceable. This is a common fact that many workers across America know and feel, but they also feel there is nothing we can do about it, because we all have bills to pay. Many would rather be a “corporate slave” than be homeless, especially if they have families to feed and care for.

The core message of Human Capitalism is that Humans Are More Important Than Money. The unit of a Human Capitalism economy is each person, not each dollar.

Elon Musk also believes that UBI is “obviously needed.”  In fact, Elon spoke and tweeted about this years ago.

Universal Basic Income, or UBI, is something like “$1,000 for everyone.” That’s not meant to provide all that a person needs to survive, just to help boost their quality of life and raise it up to a livable level for many people. It can be hard to find a rental for under $2,000 in many major cities, let alone provide for food and transport. However, $1,000/month would help many struggling workers who are working 2–3 part-time jobs just to get by. Note that they often have to work part-time jobs simply because many corporations don’t want to cover the costs of hiring full-time workers — they don’t want to insure their workers or provide certain employee benefits. ...
Andrew Yang Credits Elon Musk As A Major Inspiration
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/11/andrew-yang-credits-elon-musk-as-his-inspiration/
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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #1012 on: August 13, 2019, 03:53:36 AM »
Dont worry... future employers will use the existence of universal income as an excuse to pay less... the same way they use tips in the services industry to pay less...

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« Reply #1013 on: August 13, 2019, 01:44:39 PM »
Dont worry... future employers will use the existence of universal income as an excuse to pay less... the same way they use tips in the services industry to pay less...


It's a not very subtle way to get the monkey off of Corporate America's back.


If we can get the Fed's to kick in a $Grand for each of our employees, their spouse & their kids they'd never complain about minimum wages again!
Pensions and retirement packages - who needs them.


We don't even need to pay the taxes on this manna - the Feds will just print the money as needed.
This isn't Socialism, this is Corporate Bailout writ large.
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« Reply #1014 on: August 13, 2019, 04:36:58 PM »
Andrew Yang

Andrew Yang is an idiot. He doesn't understand the implications of his own plan and disregards all work done on the important topic of UBI. He is opening the ultra-right a door to destroy social security.

Good video on the topic:
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« Reply #1015 on: August 13, 2019, 06:35:59 PM »
I prefer the idea of universal basic credit where everyone would be allowed a subsistence amount of interest free credit, which has to be repaid by a 2.5% tax on every transaction. Eventually enough of this interest free 'money' would exist to liberate society from the near 40% upstream interest charges on every transaction that supports the financial sector, and thus allow sophisticated societies to evolve which wouldn't price themselves out of work.

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« Reply #1016 on: August 14, 2019, 06:53:26 AM »
Alternative to capitalism:
We could stop with the abstract concept of ownership.
Stop with the destructive arbitrary system of fathers and family and private houses. Free the children!
Live in groups of no more than 50 people, in open shared settlements or nomadic. Cooperate, share, intimate contact, no hierarchy, no money, no violence, no weapons, trust, truth. Very low tech. Deep connections and shared expriences.

Oops .. sorry, I think I was having a utopia dream there. If only it were still possible. You probably won't like it. To me it is utopia.
I'll take the illnesses, dangers and child mortality gladly with it. It is living in reality.
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« Reply #1017 on: August 14, 2019, 11:22:41 AM »

nanning

One man's Utopia may be another's Dystopia. ???
Perhaps old age is having an effect on my political thinking. My recent preferences tend to favor solutions that have evolved from earlier successful strategies.


I've lived in communes of about the size you envision that met most of your conditions.
We had an awful lot of fun (and "intimacy"), but they were ill-defined with a very fluid membership and no raison d'etre other than sex, drugs and rock & roll - though not necessarily in that order. ;D


My more conservative solutions probably wouldn't work simply because they are conservative, but our communes didn't work either, probably because there was no real direction or leadership.
Terry