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2019 ENSO
« on: January 07, 2019, 06:52:08 AM »
Note that it's 2019, and a new thread could be made.

Please include a long record of ENSO in the opening post.
Trimonthly ONI since 1950:
https://ggweather.com/enso/oni.htm


And seeing as all US government climate websites are currently unavailable, here is this archived page from December 17th last year: http://web.archive.org/web/20181217235025/www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/

And the current 30-day moving average SOI from the BoM:

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 03:05:37 PM »
Although Australia's Bureau of Meteorology is not currently on lock out...


Climate Model Summary for January to May 2019

Issued 17 December 2018 Updated 18 December 2018 Next issue 16 January 2019

Models maintain El Niño thresholds for the ocean, but atmosphere yet to respond
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Sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in the tropical Pacific Ocean have been at or above El Niño thresholds over the past two months. However, atmospheric indicators of El Niño remain neutral, indicating the ocean and atmosphere are not yet coupled (i.e. not reinforcing each other to help sustain the El Niño state).

Five of eight model outlooks suggest El Niño levels will be maintained through to May 2018, while the other three forecast SSTs in the neutral range. It must be noted that model accuracy forecasting through the autumn months is lower than at other times of the year.
Other reports coming out tomorrow (Jan. 8 )
« Last Edit: January 09, 2019, 05:20:14 PM by Tor Bejnar »
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 05:17:20 PM »
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Models maintain El Niño thresholds for the ocean, but atmosphere yet to respond

How unusual is this?
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2019, 05:26:04 PM »
I cannot answer your question, Sigmetnow, but a report released yesterday talks about the issues involved:
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Some recent cooling in the tropical Pacific Ocean
 
Tropical Pacific Ocean surface waters have returned to ENSO-neutral temperatures after exceeding El Niño levels in November and early December. The Bureau's ENSO Outlook remains at El Niño ALERT.

While waters at and beneath the surface of the tropical Pacific have been warmer than average since mid-2018, atmospheric indicators of ENSO such as cloudiness, trade winds and the Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) have not responded and have mostly remained neutral. For an El Niño to become established, the atmosphere needs to reinforce and respond to the warmer waters at the ocean's surface. This reinforcement is what allows the widespread global effects on weather and climate to occur.

The recent cooling of tropical Pacific waters may partly reflect the movement of the Madden–Julian Oscillation (MJO), which has recently encouraged stronger trade winds over the tropical Pacific. However, the MJO is moving east, weakening the trade winds once again, which may allow the ocean surface to warm again.

Most models indicate sea surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific are likely to remain near El Niño levels at least until early autumn 2019. Models typically have less skill when forecasting through autumn compared with other seasons. If sea surface temperatures do maintain their anomalous warmth through summer, it increases the chance of El Niño emerging in 2019.
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2019, 05:50:32 PM »

Trimonthly ONI since 1950:
https://ggweather.com/enso/oni.htm



Thank you !  Looks like the 60š were a lot less in La Nina than I remembered.
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 02:42:42 AM »
Down to +2.0

Comment from the site.
The 30-day Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) to 6 January was +6.2, and the 90-day SOI was +4.0. The SOI has remained within the neutral ENSO range since early September. There have been fluctuations over recent recent weeks, however during the southern hemisphere summer the SOI is more volatile due to the passage of tropical storms and should therefore be viewed with caution.

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 06:13:40 PM »
From NOAA: updated January 14, 2019 (despite the government closure)
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CDB/Forecast/figf4.shtml
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2019, 03:24:08 AM »
New downwelling kelvin wave near the dateline.  A response to the relaxed trades & westerly winds in that area the last 30 days. 

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2019, 11:58:09 AM »
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2019, 10:36:13 PM »
Sittign on -1.3


From the site:
ENSO Outlook lowered to El Niño WATCH
Recent observations and climate model outlooks suggest the immediate risk of El Niño has passed.

However, there remains an increased likelihood that El Niño will develop later in 2019. The Bureau's ENSO Outlook has therefore moved to El Niño WATCH, meaning there is approximately a 50% chance of El Niño developing during the southern hemisphere autumn or winter.

Tropical Pacific sea surface and sub-surface temperatures remain warmer than average, but since late 2018 they have cooled from El Niño-like values towards ENSO-neutral values. Atmospheric indicators such as cloudiness, trade winds and the Southern Oscillation Index all continue to generally remain within the ENSO-neutral range.

While most climate models indicate ENSO-neutral conditions for the immediate future, the current ocean warmth and likelihood of ongoing warmer than average conditions mean the risk of El Niño remains. Three of eight models suggest that El Niño may establish by mid-2019.

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2019, 12:25:17 PM »
Yep, possible El Nino coming up later this year, the 2.4 years period some models suggest has almost passed since the last notable one. 50-50 is a fine prediction!!
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 05:53:54 AM »
Major changes underway in the equatorial Pacific.  Near the dateline a strong standing wave has developed.  Strongest forcing yet in this ENSO cycle.  There is also a strengthening subsurface kelvin wave that will have more of an impact on 2019-2020 ENSO cycle. 

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 07:38:02 PM »
Dateline WWB is off the charts the next 5 days coming up.  Interesting to follow the VP anomalies back to early January.  MJO wave passes over dateline around February 1 which triggers the strong standing wave. 

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2019, 06:04:17 PM »
Synopsis: Weak El Niño conditions are present and are expected to continue through the Northern
Hemisphere spring 2019 (~55% chance).

https://twitter.com/NWSCPC/status/1096049726120697856

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.pdf

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 06:39:21 PM »
Synopsis: Weak El Niño conditions are present and are expected to continue through the Northern
Hemisphere spring 2019 (~55% chance).

https://twitter.com/NWSCPC/status/1096049726120697856

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.pdf
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2019, 09:26:28 AM »
Australia is still saying their is a 50% chance of an El Nino.
But the USA has called it.
They use different methods to determine one, with Australia having the more difficult criteria.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/14/el-nino-natural-warming-ocean-water-forms-climate-scientists/2868209002/

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2019, 09:50:48 AM »
For the U.S. (CPC) it’s basic math, this shouldn’t be that surprising.  It’s not going to take much to get 2 more ONIs to complete the 5 ONIs. December and January ERSSTv5 values both came in at +0.8°C.  DJF is a lock and JFM should be easy considering the ongoing off the charts westerly wind burst. 

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2019, 12:32:43 AM »
Sudden drop to -6.7
-7.0 is El Nino territory.

Comments from the site update:
Tropical Pacific sea surface temperatures have warmed slightly in the past fortnight. In the sub-surface, weak warmth extends down to 175 m depth. Recent weakening of the trade winds in the western Pacific means that further warming of the equatorial Pacific is likely in the coming weeks to months.

Five of eight climate models indicate the central Pacific is likely to reach borderline or weak El Niño levels during autumn, with four models remaining above threshold levels into winter. El Niño predictions made in late summer and early autumn tend to have lower accuracy than predictions made at other times of the year. This means that current forecasts of the ENSO state beyond May should be used with some caution.

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2019, 02:22:19 AM »
Thanks for the SOI updates Rodius.

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2019, 12:58:04 PM »
Now at -11.6
When will the El Nino be called?

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2019, 12:09:42 AM »
Now at -11.6
When will the El Nino be called?

i've been reading in several places that it's called while i dunno whether there is single entity that counts.
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2019, 12:18:53 AM »
Now at -11.6
When will the El Nino be called?

i've been reading in several places that it's called while i dunno whether there is single entity that counts.

The USA has called it.
Australia has a more complex method and they are sitting on Watch with the next review coming on March 5th.
While El Nino is being talked about, Australia seems to be the Gold Standard. Wait for March 5th.

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2019, 12:36:42 AM »
My 2 cents = mod-strong Nino impending for 19-20

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2019, 01:02:38 AM »
Now at -11.6
When will the El Nino be called?

i've been reading in several places that it's called while i dunno whether there is single entity that counts.

thanks for the heads-up, i'm not very privy with those details, always good to get a better idea about what's going on and who says and is what ;)

The USA has called it.
Australia has a more complex method and they are sitting on Watch with the next review coming on March 5th.
While El Nino is being talked about, Australia seems to be the Gold Standard. Wait for March 5th.
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2019, 02:30:58 AM »
My 2 cents = mod-strong Nino impending for 19-20

Australian BOM is saying 50% chance of El Nino but that was 2 or 3 weeks ago. Looking at it now it seems more likely to be an El Nino BUT BOM also states that in Autumn there can be wild swings in the indicators.
Also of note, they say that should one happen (likely now) it would be mild to moderate.

If it ends up strong, I personally will worry because Australia just recorded the hottest summer on record country wide (+2.4C) with neutral conditions.
El Nino increases those rises.
The last record over summer was during a strong El Nino.

Anyway, while I hope it isnt strong, it is only a matter of time before one comes, and when it does, the Arctic melt season could be rather bad.

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2019, 10:57:04 AM »
5 March 2019 Update

The El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) is currently neutral, but sea surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific Ocean have continued to warm.

The Bureau's ENSO Outlook remains at El Niño WATCH, meaning there is approximately a 50% chance of El Niño developing during the southern hemisphere autumn or winter, twice the normal likelihood.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/index.shtml

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/outlook/
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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2019, 10:14:02 AM »
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.shtml
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CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER/NCEP/NWS
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14 March 2019

ENSO Alert System Status: El Niño Advisory

Synopsis:  Weak El Nino conditions are likely to continue through the Northern Hemisphere spring 2019 (~80% chance) and summer (~60% chance).

El Niño conditions strengthened during February 2019, as above-average sea surface temperatures (SSTs) increased across the equatorial Pacific Ocean [Fig. 1] and the associated atmospheric anomalies became increasingly well-defined. The SST index values in the Niño3, Niño3.4 and Niño4 regions all increased during February, with the latest weekly values near +1°C in each region [Fig. 2]. The anomalous upper-ocean heat content (averaged across 180°-100°W) increased appreciably during February [Fig. 3], due to an increase in above-average temperatures at depth in association with a downwelling equatorial oceanic Kelvin wave [Fig. 4]. Enhanced equatorial convection prevailed near the Date Line, while suppressed convection was observed over Indonesia [Fig. 5]. Low-level wind anomalies were westerly in the central Pacific Ocean, while upper-level wind anomalies were mostly westerly over the far western and far eastern Pacific. The equatorial and traditional Southern Oscillation Index values were both negative (-1.4 standard deviations). Overall, these features are consistent with weak El Niño conditions.

The majority of models in the IRI/CPC plume predict a Niño 3.4 index of +0.5°C or greater through the Northern Hemisphere early autumn 2019 [Fig. 6]. Given the recent downwelling Kelvin wave, and the increase in both the SSTs and subsurface ocean temperatures, most forecasters expect positive SST anomalies to persist across the central and eastern Pacific for at least the next several months. During that time, forecasters predict the SST anomalies in the Niño 3.4 region to remain between +0.5°C and +1.0°C, indicating weak El Niño conditions. However, because forecasts made during spring tend to be less accurate, the predicted chance that El Niño will persist beyond summer is currently about 50%. In summary, weak El Niño conditions are likely to continue through the Northern Hemisphere spring 2019 (~80% chance) and summer (~60% chance); click CPC/IRI consensus forecast for the chance of each outcome for each 3-month period.

This discussion is a consolidated effort of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), NOAA's National Weather Service, and their funded institutions. Oceanic and atmospheric conditions are updated weekly on the Climate Prediction Center web site (El Niño/La Niña Current Conditions and Expert Discussions). Forecasts are also updated monthly in the Forecast Forum of CPCs Climate Diagnostics Bulletin. Additional perspectives and analysis are also available in an ENSO blog. The next ENSO Diagnostics Discussion is scheduled for 11 April 2019.

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2019, 12:54:49 PM »
Sitting on -15 and been there for a short while.

Australia still hasnt called it.... next update is March 19.
Surely they will call it now?

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Re: 2019 ENSO
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2019, 05:53:13 AM »
Sitting on -12.8
They are saying the El Nino is on Alert

From BOM
Southern Oscillation Index
The 30-day Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) has been steady over the past two weeks, remaining within El Niño territory. The SOI value for the 30 days to 17 March was −13.3. However, the 90-day SOI is still well within neutral territory at −5.1.

While values of the 30-day SOI have been strongly negative for almost a month, SOI values during the northern Australian wet season can be volatile, and should therefore be viewed with caution. This is because the passage of tropical systems near Darwin and Tahiti can affect atmospheric pressure at these locations, and hence the value of the SOI.