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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #6300 on: November 12, 2020, 02:48:08 PM »
True on the graft and timeline, but if Lidar was a $200 add in choice, would it make things better or worse?  Just using it as another input should not cause that much problem with the existing model. It might, in certain circumstances, make things a bit faster as it would reduce uncertainty and uncertainty takes a lot of processing power to resolve.

This can work both ways, just deciding whether Lidar agrees with other inputs is an overhead and if Lidar conflicts then that generates uncertainty and a decision on which inputs are most reliable given the circumstances ( speed, distance, visibility ).  Without Lidar you reduce this extra layer of decision making, the question becomes whether it was necessary to increase the quantity of inputs and therefore increase the amount of decisions to be made, only Tesla can know the answer to that.   

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« Reply #6301 on: November 12, 2020, 03:47:47 PM »
Oh I think we're pretty certain it is not necessary.  Whether it would help or not...  Another question entirely.

The problem is that those who have not put in the effort to build the Artificial driver, as opposed to the Artificial aiming device, will tell you that Lidar and Lidar maps are necessary.  That doesn't mean it is true.
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« Reply #6302 on: November 12, 2020, 04:57:43 PM »
Visual inputs are challenged in heavy fog, rain and snow.  Having a technology to compensate for some of the loss would be very useful.  Just as a car keeps its headlights during daytime driving (i.e., they are not removed, just turned off), Lidar could be utilized only when needed. 

(There was a time when carriage lanterns were only carried [or 'installed'] when nighttime trips were anticipated.)

Some four-wheel-drive vehicles have a winch permanently attached to the front bumper, even if it is only rarely needed.
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« Reply #6303 on: November 12, 2020, 05:27:58 PM »
“LIDAR can work better in the dark because it provides its own light. But it can be worse in fog, rain and snow because the light has to go through the fog, rain and snow twice. If the path from the laser or back to the sensor gets blocked then LIDAR doesn't work.”

Tesla & Google Disagree About LIDAR -- Which Is Right?
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/07/29/tesla-google-disagree-lidar-right/
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« Reply #6304 on: November 13, 2020, 10:15:09 AM »
You missed the last one Sig,

This is the combined Tesla sensor set.



It is a bit oversimplistic though.  Because it doesn't show that some of the stronger capabilities are weaker in different conditions.  For instance Lidar works in the dark with higher resolution than radar.

It is easy to see why Tesla did what they did.  The simplistic view with a simplistic chart makes it look even more compelling.  But it is not the whole story.  It will do for now and it will still give more than a human driver has.  If that is what we are aiming at, then what Tesla is doing is perfect.

However Tesla is marketing that FSD will be "significantly" better in terms of accidents than humans.  When FSD starts making all the decisions with minimal input, the sensor net and interpretive software will be put to the most stringent tests.

There is a thing with engineering.  If you only engineer to the expected size of the problem then, when it is being utilised 100%, failures happen.  If you size your solution to 200% or 300% of the problem, you reduce the number of failures and make it impossible to drive the system to 100% utilisation.  Unless your scoping was way, way, off.

I'm just looking further down the road than today and wondering if Tesla will eventually need to round the sensor suite out with a cheap and available Lidar sensor.
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #6305 on: November 13, 2020, 01:21:32 PM »
Breaking — Elon Musk Tests Positive For SARS-CoV-2

Edit:  I’ve started a new thread for this ⬇️, so it doesn’t take over this one.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3328.0.html
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« Reply #6306 on: November 13, 2020, 02:09:28 PM »
You omitted he also tested negative.  ;)

Anyway i don´t think that the news in itself is interesting. Even if he is positive he will probably have a mild case so as far as i care it only becomes relevant if he actually comes down with a serious case.

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« Reply #6307 on: November 13, 2020, 04:00:27 PM »
You omitted he also tested negative.  ;)

Anyway i don´t think that the news in itself is interesting. Even if he is positive he will probably have a mild case so as far as i care it only becomes relevant if he actually comes down with a serious case.

I agree with all that.  But “Elon + COVID” seems to trigger some folks, so I was just looking ahead.
There are  debatable aspects:
- The acuracy of tests
- How the test results will affect Musk’s activities (will he not be able to attend the Crew-1 launch, or the Starship pre-flight tests)? :'(
- The news will no doubt affect the stock price, regardless of its actual importance.
- Doomers will suggest Tesla will go bankrupt.

But if folks think there is really nothing worth discussing, that’s cool, too.
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« Reply #6308 on: November 14, 2020, 07:58:28 AM »
Like Trump, he will get early and very precise medical attention. The best money can afford. He will very likely be fine. If he was a regular obese 50 year old man I would be more concerned.  Privilege makes it so that his probability of harm is minuscule.

Of course, that is assuming that the ones advising him on Covid aren't the ones treating him. If the same people that advise him on things like the tweet below provide his healthcare, he might be in trouble.

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Possible explanation for the dramatic decline in cold & flu prevalence vs prior years. If someone comes in with cold/flu symptoms & falsely tests positive for cov2, they will assume they have it, when in fact they simply have some other form of seasonal cold/flu.
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« Reply #6309 on: November 14, 2020, 10:19:07 AM »
With over 600k new cases, daily, around the world and Musk still travelling, it is hardly surprising he got it eventually.

Also, it has to be mentioned that getting Covid is hardly an instant death sentence and that treatment regimes for everyone are worlds apart from where they were in the spring. The loss of so much life has allowed an experimentation program that would never have been allowed normally but has produced dramatic results in being able to treat the virus.

Charts are upside down now, with a massive increase in infections daily but, in most countries, deaths being much lower than in the spring. This is largely down to the ability to provide treatment to support the patient until their own immune system can deal with the virus.

Reality remains the same though. Of people under 50, in the UK, who have had the infection, deaths remain between 100 and 200; with 50,000 dead overall.

For Musk, this is not likely to be a big problem.  Unless he has some undiagnosed serious pre condition.
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« Reply #6310 on: November 14, 2020, 10:20:38 AM »
With the Tesla Waymo spat ongoing, insideev's posted the following video.

Worth watching.

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« Reply #6311 on: November 14, 2020, 10:50:29 AM »
The risk of death of C19 for those under 60 is like the risk of death from a car accident if we include everything from fender benders to high-speed highway crashes. As individuals, chances are that if we get C19, the risk of it is like a fender bender. Some people will get highway speed accidents tho.

Elon Musk is 49 and relatively healthy. He is unlikely to get anything more than a few dead lung and brain cells. A fender bender. In the <5% chance he had a serious illness, he would get the Trump treatment. A fender bender while riding on a tank. The same for his family ( perhaps not his father), in case he gave it to them. They should all be fine. Even his mother at 72 has very little to fear from C19. They have privileges. She won't be standing in line to be tested for C19. She will get top therapeutics at the first sign of trouble.

That's why Elon should really STFU about coronavirus. He has nothing to lose to it except money.
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« Reply #6312 on: November 14, 2020, 01:40:07 PM »
Meanwhile Tesla drops another FSD beta update.

Pity VW can't do the same.

Forget self driving for VW, it doesn't even work consistently nor clearly recognise navigation commands.

Cross posted from the EV thread.  Forget any kind of self drive, the VW has basic issues with the core functionality.

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« Reply #6313 on: November 16, 2020, 08:54:46 AM »
this been done yet? 

tesla wins a rally
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« Reply #6314 on: November 16, 2020, 12:39:45 PM »
I wonder how much longer we are going to have to put up with cherry picking like this?

VW Sold 75x As Many ID.3s In The Netherlands In October As Tesla Sold Model 3s

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcollins/2020/11/04/vw-sold-75x-as-many-id3s-in-the-netherlands-in-october-as-tesla-sold-model-3s/?sh=50b558213eb5

It does tip the hat at the Tesla challenges on shipping from Fremont.

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So, October, the first month of the fruit quarter, is never going to be a great one for Tesla in Europe, as all Teslas TSLA -0.8% sold there are shipped from the company’s Fremont, CA location.

But stops very short of telling the truth.  Because, as far as I can find, the number of Teslas, shipped from Fremont, in October, to Europe and ready for sale in October was....

Zero.

It is not hard to sell more than someone who has no product in the market in any one month.

December will be a telling point, even November will be a big pointer.  But, by that time, this poster will have shut up and crawled back under the rock he came from.
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« Reply #6315 on: November 16, 2020, 12:48:20 PM »
Estimating production for 2021.

Going the rounds of the articles, it is clear that nobody is actually joining the dots.

Teslarati says

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Tesla hasn’t formally set a production and delivery goal for 2021 yet, but it will definitely exceed its 500,000 guidance of 2020. Recently, Giga Shanghai’s 2021 goals were leaked and revealed Tesla China set a 550,000 guidance for 2021.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafactory-texas-austin-engineering-job-openings/

Evtalk au says.

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Model 3 and Model Y production have reached a run-rate of 500,000 vehicles annually at the Fremont factory, with the ability to produce 90,000 Model S and Model X annually, as well as Gigafactory Shanghai’s 250,000 annual capacity, allowing Tesla to head towards a run-rate of one million cars annually.

https://evtalk.com.au/tesla-q3-a-record/#:~:text=Model%203%20and%20Model%20Y,of%20one%20million%20cars%20annually.

Put them together and you get a potential run rate of 1.14 million.  OK I'd say 1.11 as models S/X are not running at full capacity any more as the orders do not warrant it.

This ignores both Texas and Berlin.

It also ignores the fact that Fremont is still ramping Model Y with their temporary line and will be more than 500k in 2021.

Doubling is pretty much guaranteed.  I wonder if it will take until Q3 2021 for the press to wake up to the potential for much more than doubling?

So, I wonder, when will the press wake up
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« Reply #6316 on: November 16, 2020, 12:53:07 PM »
Giga Texas, major levelling required, Day 116



Nikola, flat field, Day 113


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« Reply #6317 on: November 16, 2020, 06:38:04 PM »
Neil,
It must be harder to do construction in Arizona than in Texas.  What else could possibly explain the "Day 113" difference????  :P ::)
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« Reply #6318 on: November 17, 2020, 12:34:30 AM »
 Here we go, boys and girls!

Tesla jumps 9%, carmaker to join S&P 500
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(Reuters) - Shares of Tesla Inc surged 9% in extended trade on Monday after S&P Dow Jones Indices announced that the electric carmaker would join the S&P 500 index, a major win for Chief Executive Elon Musk and his shareholders.

Tesla will join the S&P 500 prior to the opening of trading on Dec. 21, S&P Dow Jones Indices said in a news release.

Due to Tesla’s unusually large market capitalization, S&P Dow Jones Indices said it would consult investors about whether the company should be added all at once or in two separate tranches.

With a market capitalization over $380 billion, Tesla is one of the most valuable companies on Wall Street.

Tesla’s inclusion in the widely followed stock market index means investment funds that track the S&P 500 will have to buy billions of dollars worth of the company’s shares.

A blockbuster quarterly report in July cleared a major hurdle for Tesla’s potential inclusion.
https://www.reuters.com/article/-usa-stocks-tesla/update-1-tesla-jumps-9-carmaker-to-join-sp-500-idUSL1N2I233L

TSLA is currently up 56 to $464 in after-hours trading. (Up 13.5%.)
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« Reply #6319 on: November 17, 2020, 08:30:39 AM »
Chevrolet Recalls the Bolt EV After 5 Confirmed Battery Fires
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/11/chevrolet-issues-a-recall-for-2017-2019-bolt-evs-due-to-battery-fires/

In October, news broke that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration had opened an investigation of the Chevrolet Bolt EV due to potential battery fires while charging. On Friday, Chevrolet announced a recall affecting all model year 2017 and 2018 Bolt EVs, as well as certain MY2019 Bolt EVs.

The problem involves battery packs containing cells made at LG Chem's factory in Ochang, Korea. Chevrolet says that, working with NHTSA, it confirmed a total of five Bolt EV fires caused by this issue, which occurred when charging the cars' battery packs to full capacity.

Affected owners should contact their local Chevrolet dealer to schedule the software fix, which is available later this week. The update will prevent the battery from charging beyond 90 percent, and Chevrolet says it will have a permanent fix that restores the battery's ability to use 100 percent of its state of charge as soon as possible after January 1, 2021.
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« Reply #6320 on: November 17, 2020, 12:32:01 PM »
Tesla jumps 9%, carmaker to join S&P 500

I guess it was long enough to allow the members to slowly build up their share portfolio without being driven into a rising spiral.

Good for Tesla though.
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« Reply #6321 on: November 17, 2020, 07:31:09 PM »
Here’s Rob Mauer’s Monday deep dive into Tesla’s S&P 500 inclusion (his last, he hopes!) with answers to questions.  He notes that the Tesla inclusion will be unique in several aspects.  The longest any other stock has gone between announcement and inclusion was 10 days, and S&P are seeking investor input as to whether the transaction should be done over two days, some time apart.

Tesla (TSLA) Added to the S&P 500 Index - Tesla Daily Live Replay - YouTube


Timestamps:
0:00 Audio check
0:53 S&P 500 announcement
5:17 Weighting & impact on TSLA
13:30 Unique announcement timing/structure
18:38 Buying demand on TSLA
21:20 Where does TSLA go from here?
22:40 What about other funds?
24:15 The $50B impact?
25:48 Another stock split impact?
27:08 Closing thoughts
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« Reply #6322 on: November 18, 2020, 04:26:47 PM »
—- More on S&P 500 inclusion
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Johnna Crider:
Is it coincidence that the S&P 500 is adding $tsla to the index on the *shortest* day of the year?
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 11/17/20, 10:46 AM
Fate [heart] Irony 
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328726273808535552

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< Gary, given the 13% AH movement today, is your 12-15% incremental to the current ~$460 price or the ~$410 closing price?
Gary Black (@garyblack00)11/16/20, 7:17 PM
No, I expect 12-15% increase vs pre-announcement price, so $460-$465 by 12/21. Many of those buying AH are HFs who will sell to the indexers when the indexers start buying a week before 12/21. That said, I’m not aware of S&P ever giving a one-month buy-in. $tsla

Gary Black:
Obviously, the price rise depends how many $TSLA shareholders are willing to part with their shares. With Biden’s clean energy focus, 4Q vols/EPS likely to beat, FSD rollout, MIC Y launch, a 800K+ FY’21 vol guide, CyTruck next year, I’m not selling ANY of my shares to indexers!

Gary Black:
If nobody is willing to sell their $TSLA shares, there really could be a TSLA “index-squeeze” around Dec 21 as indexers scramble to buy TSLA shares. Indexers alone need about 122M shares out of 760M share float. We all believe $TSLA is worth so much more than $460 ($720 PT)!
https://twitter.com/garyblack00/status/1328499321629798401


—- Tesla’s largest public Supercharger with 56 V3 stalls goes online
Considering the fact that the site is fitted with V3 stations, as well as the fact that it’s located between San Francisco and Los Angeles, there is a good chance that the Firebaugh Supercharger will usually be busy.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-largest-supercharger-v3-goes-online/


—- FSD
Tesla FSD beta performs smooth 180-degree forced turn in real-world test
(But not on first attempt.)
November 10, 2020
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-beta-180-degree-turn-test-video/

➡️http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNBEHumIHJI

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Waymo and Cruise testing has accelerated significantly in San Francisco. They are all over the place
They want to be seen and not forgotten as Tesla FSD rolls out
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1328126385588629505

Whole Mars Catalog (@WholeMarsBlog) 11/15/20, 8:20 PM

Waymo equipped Jaguar I-PACE are on the streets of san francisco
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1328145959272869888

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Lisa #TeslaTruth (@TeslaLisa) 11/16/20, 12:14 PM
Um, my car just took me to Home Depot. Including the most complicated intersection and merge. Right into the parking lot. Pristinely!  #FSDBeta $tsla #tesla
https://twitter.com/teslalisa/status/1328385862325952513
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« Reply #6323 on: November 18, 2020, 08:58:55 PM »
-— Is Tesla’s S&P inclusion really a good thing?  The big three index investment houses hold huge voting blocks of stock.
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Gary Black (@garyblack00) 11/17/20, 7:36 PM
S&P senior index analyst Howard Silverblatt was asked whether $TSLA CEO @elonmusk could weigh in on how S&P should add TSLA to the S&P 500 (one or two tranches, % each tranche).
Silverblatt’s response: “If he wants to put in a comment, that's fine and dandy." Go for it, Elon.

Elon Musk:
Wise words from Bogle [below]. The point of companies is products & services. They have no point in & of themselves, nor do these indices. Buy & hold stock in companies where you love the product roadmap, sell where you don’t.
wsj.com/amp/articles/b…
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1329114904817758208


< Here's the article linked to by @elonmusk but not under a paywall for those interested.
WEEKEND INVESTOR
Bogle Sounds a Warning on Index Funds
The father of the index fund says it’s probably only a matter of time before they own half of all U.S. stocks; ‘I do not believe that such concentration would serve the national interest’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bogle-sounds-a-warning-on-index-funds-1543504551


Elon Musk (@elonmusk)11/18/20, 12:31 PM
 The only publicly traded stock I own is Tesla
Gary Black:
 I only own stocks where I personally love the product or service. It’s why the shorts got this so wrong. And I don’t believe much in diversification either. Thanks for your leadership!  $tsla
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« Reply #6324 on: November 18, 2020, 10:03:15 PM »
“Tesla is the largest company to ever be added to the S&P 500.”

S&P 500 Insider On Tesla Stock's Inclusion - YouTube



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Tesla Cybertruck production edges closer as Giga Texas reportedly shifts to 24/7 construction [Video]
November 14, 2020
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According to drone operator and Tesla enthusiast Jeff Roberts, there are now three shifts for Giga Texas’ construction work, meaning there will be continuous progress on the construction site.

“Well, it’s happened; Tesla has effectively doubled [its] productivity by approving 3 crew shifts to work 24 hours per day, 7 days per week- effective IMMEDIATELY!” wrote Roberts in the description of one of his latest videos.

In September, Teslarati reported that Tesla estimated Giga Texas would have its “First Dry-in” by December 30, 2020 and its “First Substantial Completion” by May 1, 2021. A “dry-in” means a building’s shell is sufficiently complete enough to place equipment inside it. With 24/7 construction work, Tesla might be able to meet its December goals and begin trial production for the Cybertruck.

With three shifts and 24-hour construction going on at Tesla’s factory in Austin, Giga Texas may rival the lightning speed of Giga Shanghai. Tesla China workers were able to complete the first phase of Gigafactory Shanghai less than a year since the beginning of its construction. The first production Model 3s were rolled out exactly one year after its ground-breaking ceremony. 
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-production-giga-texas-24-7-night-construction-video/
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« Reply #6325 on: November 21, 2020, 02:08:05 PM »
sorry if this is already posted ...

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Tesla Opens World’s Northernmost Supercharger Station
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/new-energy/2020/11/tesla-opens-worlds-northernmost-supercharger-station

70 DEGREES NORTH - Long-distance winter drive through remote areas with electric cars in northernmost Europe is becoming safer and more reliable as a comprehensive network of Supercharger and high-power stations are switched on.

Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.

... These are not the roads where you wanna run empty of battery. With an expanded network soon up and charging, that challenge is solved.

Ten new Supercharger stations inside the Arctic Circle in northern Scandinavia are in the pipe. The network is geographically well distributed throughout the region and the chosen locations are at the main crossroads. In northern Norway, Supercharger stations are to be opened in Karasjok, Kautokeino, Skaidi, Alta and Evenes. In Finnish Lapland, Karesuvanto and Inari are chosen, while Abisko and Jokkmokk in Sweden’s Norrbotten county are soon to come.

As previously reported by The Barents Observer, local power companies in Troms and Finnmark county, with financial support from the Norwegian state, are deploying a network of 17 high-power 175 kW chargers and eight 50 kW fast chargers. By November 20, nine of the stations are opened, while most of the remaining will be connected to the grid before Christmas.

No roads throughout the region will have more than 100 km between each charging station. Troms and Finnmark county is twice the size of Belgium.

In Varangerbotn, the three V3 250 kW stalls by Tesla are placed with space enough to easily accommodate future Cybertrucks with trailers and possible Semi trucks. A station with 150 kW fast-chargers available for other electric cars is placed next to Tesla’s stalls.

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« Reply #6326 on: November 21, 2020, 04:41:27 PM »
Tesla factory workers are classified as "essential workers" under california's new covid restrictions. Between this and Proposition 22, the United States is truly a tech oligarchy.

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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #6327 on: November 21, 2020, 04:53:17 PM »
Tesla TSLA Fremont Factory Night Shift Won’t Be Affected By New California Curfew Order
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Despite the curfew, some activities may continue in the same manner as before. For example, businesses that operate night shifts remain open, such as Tesla's Fremont factory. All workers on night shifts can continue to go to work. This means that the new measures will not have a negative impact on Tesla's production and delivery planned for Q4 2020.
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-tsla-fremont-factory-night-shift-won-t-be-affected-by-the-new-california-curfew-order

—- See Reply #6322 above...
“At the largest Supercharger to date(Firebaugh, CA), it’s insane!!”
https://twitter.com/tonytesla4life/status/1329991759103856640
Four photos at the link.  Open just in time for the Thanksgiving holiday — except with the current Covid surge, travel should be much less than previous years….

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Fremont Police Dept. Releases Uplifting EV Pilot Program Results
November 20th, 2020
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In March 2019, the Fremont Police Department began testing a Tesla Model S 85 that was customized for patrol operations. Testing ended one year later, and yesterday, the Fremont Police Department (PD) released the test results and emailed them over to CleanTechnica (and surely other media outlets).

Results found that the vehicle exceeded performance and operational objectives while also taking on the challenges of police use. The vehicle required minimal maintenance and was proven to be cost-effective when the overall cost of the vehicle — with maintenance and fuel savings included — was factored into the equation.

The Tesla Model S 85 had lower average annual maintenance downtime — just under 40 days compared with 66 days for the Ford Patrol Police Vehicle (PPV). It also had zero operational CO2 emissions while the Ford PPV had 42,198 points of CO2 emissions annually.

Fremont’s Police Captain, Sean Washington, spoke about how encouraging the results were. “The final results from the one-year Electric Patrol Vehicle Pilot Program have been encouraging as the City of Fremont continues to look for cost-effective ways to help make Fremont more sustainable. With an average of 27 fewer days of downtime per year, a savings of $2,147 in the total annual cost of energy/fuel, maintenance, and repair, and no operational carbon dioxide emissions, the pilot program results have prompted Fremont PD to move forward with plans to expand its fleet of electric patrol vehicle alternatives.” …
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/11/20/fremont-police-dept-releases-uplifting-ev-pilot-program-results/amp/


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Why Tesla Will DESTROY Legacy Automakers (w/Sandy Munro) - YouTube


“In this video I react to, discuss and share my opinoins on clips with Sandy Munro (engineering expert) on Tesla, innovation and the wider automotive industry. I also make an example of Honda's CEO and Honda Canada's CEO, both of whom seem completely blind to the world's inevitable transition to electric vehicles (EVs). These comments will come to haunt them.”

SOURCE: ◆ Sandy Munro on Tesla, Electric Vehicles and more! Ep. 6 #https://youtu.be/MrvvVSwEgmE


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https://twitter.com/yonathan_78800/status/1330063058841063426
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #6328 on: November 22, 2020, 02:47:17 AM »
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< I don’t understand the S&P inclusion numbers.  Help?

Gary Black (@garyblack00) 11/21/20, 10:37 AM
There are $5 trillion in S&P index funds. They have to buy $tsla in at a 1.2% float-adj weight (760M shares float x $490 / $31.0T S&P cap). $5T x 1.2% = $60 billion / $490 = 122M Tesla shares = 16 % $TSLA float. 
https://twitter.com/garyblack00/status/1330173495603585029
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Pwned: Bluetooth Attack Can Steal a Tesla Model X in Minutes
https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-model-x-hack-bluetooth/amp

The company is rolling out a patch for the vulnerabilities, which allowed one researcher to break into one in 90 seconds and drive away.

Tesla has always prided itself on its so-called over-the-air updates, pushing out new code automatically to fix bugs and add features. But one security researcher has shown how vulnerabilities in the Tesla Model X's keyless entry system allow a different sort of update: A hacker could rewrite the firmware of a key fob via Bluetooth connection, lift an unlock code from the fob, and use it to steal a Model X in just a matter of minutes.

Lennert Wouters, a security researcher at Belgian university KU Leuven, today revealed a collection of security vulnerabilities he found in both Tesla Model X cars and their keyless entry fobs. He discovered that those combined vulnerabilities could be exploited by any car thief who manages to read a car's vehicle identification number—usually visible on a car's dashboard through the windshield—and also come within roughly 15 feet of the victim's key fob.

The hardware kit necessary to pull off the heist cost Wouters around $300, fits inside a backpack, and is controlled from the thief's phone. In just 90 seconds, the hardware can extract a radio code that unlocks the owner's Model X. Once the car thief is inside, a second, distinct vulnerability Wouters found would allow the thief to pair their own key fob with the victim's vehicle after a minute's work and drive the car away.

Wouters says he warned Tesla about his Model X keyless entry hacking technique in August. ... Tesla told Wouters that the patch may take close to a month to roll out across all of its vulnerable vehicles, so Model X owners should be sure to install any updates Tesla makes available to them over the coming weeks to prevent the hack.

“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

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