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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #500 on: September 10, 2019, 08:03:35 AM »
Nothing coming out of NOAA or any other government agency can be trusted while Trump remains in office.

Word. Republicans are not fit to be scientists or managing science.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #501 on: September 10, 2019, 08:09:04 AM »
Deliberate gaffe to obfuscate from rational climate debate.

Same thing with Greenland.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #502 on: September 11, 2019, 02:15:38 AM »
Yes, it’s a joke.  (Sad to say I have to say that.)

Trump Signs Executive Order Giving Him Control of Weather
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WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In what some congressional Democrats are calling a flagrant example of Presidential overreach, Donald Trump on Tuesday signed an executive order giving him total control of the weather.

Under the terms of the order, Trump would assume the unilateral power to create all meteorological conditions, including but not limited to hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hail, sleet, and wintry mix.

After signing the order, a beaming Trump pronounced “total victory” over the weather, which he called “the enemy of the people.” ...
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-signs-executive-order-giving-him-control-of-weather
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #503 on: September 11, 2019, 02:25:55 AM »
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #504 on: September 11, 2019, 09:04:58 PM »
Trump Warns That Bahamian Hurricane Refugees Could Be ‘Gang Members’
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/hurricane-dorian-bahamas-refugees-denied-entry-united-states-881612/
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Hurricane Dorian may not have hit the U.S. East Coast as hard as many feared, but it decimated the Bahamas, leaving tens of thousands homeless. On Sunday, over 100 of the displaced were instructed to disembark a rescue ferry bound for Florida because they didn’t possess U.S. visas. Customs and Border Protection has been unable to offer an adequate explanation for why this happened, as visas are not required for Bahamians traveling to the U.S.

When asked about the incident on Monday, President Trump said the U.S. needs to be careful about allowing Bahamians into the country following Hurricane Dorian. “I don’t want to allow people that weren’t supposed to be [in the Bahamas],” he said, adding that among the refugees could be “very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very very bad drug dealers.”
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The plight of Hurricane Dorian evacuees offers a frightening vision of 'climate apartheid'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/has-hurricane-dorian-sparked-climate-apartheid
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Like most things Trump says, this statement is very, very removed from reality. But who needs facts when you can appeal to racist feelings? Trump’s smearing of Hurricane Dorian survivors builds on his tried-and-tested strategy of dehumanising non-white people by describing them as “bad hombres,” rapists and MS-13 gang members. It builds on his strategy of describing any non-white person seeking refuge in America as a threat to the country.

Trump’s comments, it should be noted, were prompted by a question about an incident on Sunday in which 119 Bahamian evacuees, including children, were told to get off a ferry bound for Florida because they didn’t have US visas. This came as a shock because Bahamians don’t need visas to visit America if they don’t have a police record and plan a short stay. According to an American reporter on the ferry, the evacuees he spoke to didn’t plan to move to the US, “They were coming to go grocery shopping, stay in a hotel with AC [air conditioning], chill for a little and then head back.”

26 feet of water: What the worst-case hurricane scenario looks like for Tampa Bay
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/9/11/18485563/hurricane-florida-climate-change-tampa
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It’s become a haunting question of when, not if, a big hurricane will return. Residents surrounding Tampa Bay have been spared the worst-case hurricane scenario many times before. Now, there’s so much more to lose. And sometime soon, we don’t know when, the worst-case scenario will arrive: a Category 5 hurricane, with winds in excess of 160 mph.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #505 on: September 12, 2019, 12:11:50 AM »
Trump Demanded Retraction After NWS Disputed His False Hurricane Claim
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/white-house-told-noaa-to-back-trumps-false-hurricane-forecast/

The White House pressured the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration into backing President Trump over weather forecasters who disputed Trump's incorrect claim that Hurricane Dorian would likely strike Alabama, according to news reports.

"Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, told Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary, to have the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly disavow the forecasters' position that Alabama was not at risk," the New York Times reported today, citing anonymous sources. Ross then warned NOAA "that top employees at the agency could be fired if the situation was not addressed," the Times wrote.

Mulvaney took this action after "President Trump told his staff that the [NOAA] needed to correct a tweet that seemed to contradict his statement that Hurricane Dorian posed a significant threat to Alabama as of Sept. 1," the Washington Post wrote in an article on the same topic. There are now multiple investigations into whether the NOAA's scientific integrity and independence were undermined.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #506 on: September 12, 2019, 12:29:05 AM »
Hurricane Dorian: Bahamas Lists 2,500 People as Missing
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49666942

Bahamas emergency services have listed 2,500 people as missing after Hurricane Dorian struck the islands last week.

This official count suggests the death toll will be much higher than the current 50, though the number of missing has yet to be checked against those in shelters and should fall.

Tens of thousands of people remain in need of aid.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #507 on: September 12, 2019, 02:58:44 PM »
Oil Spill Adds to Dorian Woes in Bahamas
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-oil-dorian-induced-woes-bahamas.html

After sowing mass destruction across the island, Hurricane Dorian delivered one final blow: an oil spill at the Norwegian Equinor facility.

The spill occurred at Equinor's South Riding Point terminal, which has a storage capacity of 6.75 million barrels of crude and condensate.

According to Equinor, the tanks were storing 1.8 million barrels when the hurricane hit.

... Six kilometers (four miles) away the ground is saturated with a black, thick paste.

"They need to evacuate the whole East End or come do something," Roberts said.

At ground zero, several huge oil storage tanks are colored black by overflown oil, which has spread over a still yet to be defined section of land near the coast.

"Before the hurricane hit, nine of our 10 tanks at the terminal had aluminium domed roofs," said Equinor spokesman Erik Haaland. "Five of these roofs are now gone."

... Equinor said in a statement "there is currently no observed leakage of oil to the sea from the South Riding Point terminal."

However, it said "surveillance has identified potential product in open waters 70-80 kilometers north east of the terminal within Long Point Bight close to Little Abaco Island."

"There are also indications that the product may have impacted a section of the coastline," it said.



... "This is where most of all of our seafood comes from, from this area, from these magnificent coral reefs," he said, including deep sea fish, like red snapper, grouper and lobster.

The area's bonefish, he said, is a $7 billion industry.

Pointing to the beach, he said: "This is where they go along the shore... and spawn by the millions about three miles offshore."
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #508 on: September 12, 2019, 05:09:41 PM »
The latest 2 day prognosis for the North Atlantic from the NHC:


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Disturbance 1: 70% Chance of Cyclone Formation in 48 Hours
As of 8:00 am EDT Thu Sep 12 2019 ...

Satellite images indicate that the area of disturbed weather over the central and southeastern Bahamas is gradually becoming better organized while surface pressures are falling in the area. Conditions are becoming favorable for a tropical depression or a tropical storm to form within the next day or so as the system moves toward the northwest through the northwestern Bahamas and toward the Florida Peninsula at 5 to 10 mph. If this development trend continues Potential Tropical Cyclone advisories will likely be initiated later today. This disturbance will bring heavy rainfall and gusty winds across portions of the Bahamas through Friday, especially in portions of the northwestern Bahamas affected by Hurricane Dorian.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #509 on: September 12, 2019, 05:36:14 PM »
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... This disturbance will bring heavy rainfall and gusty winds across portions of the Bahamas through Friday, especially in portions of the northwestern Bahamas affected by Hurricane Dorian.

They just don't get a break.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #510 on: September 12, 2019, 09:17:03 PM »
NWS:  Interests in the central and northwestern Bahamas as well as Florida should monitor the progress of this disturbance. Regardless of development, this disturbance will bring heavy rainfall and gusty winds to portions of the Bahamas through Friday.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #511 on: September 12, 2019, 10:59:56 PM »
Its now PTC 9, with a cone that comes so close to touching Alabama that it looks like Trump is being trolled.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/204713.shtml?gm_track#contents

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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #512 on: September 12, 2019, 11:23:23 PM »
Its now PTC 9, with a cone that comes so close to touching Alabama that it looks like Trump is being trolled.

Sharpie sharpening time?

Speaking of which, I've been trolling Trump myself today:

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/1172158138805608448

He hasn't got back to me yet!
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #513 on: September 13, 2019, 09:38:25 AM »
Talking of Alabama .. it rained all night the day I left , the weather it was fine .. Oh Susanna .. :)
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #514 on: September 13, 2019, 10:38:12 PM »
After Dorian, disease is next threat on shattered Bahamian island
http://news.trust.org/item/20190912163814-7q0wm/
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Disease outbreaks could further drive up the death toll of one of the most powerful Atlantic hurricanes on record, which currently stands at 50, but which Bahamian Prime Minister Hubert Minnis said he expects to significantly increase.

Some 1,300 people have been registered as missing in the storm's wake and the Bahamian Ministry of Health has requested 500 body bags, according to the PAHO.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #515 on: September 13, 2019, 11:21:10 PM »
The latest NHC forecast reveals Hurricane Humberto heading for Bermuda rather than Alabama:
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #516 on: September 13, 2019, 11:29:00 PM »
Yeah, Bermuda has had some hurricanes.
I bought a book there on their hurricanes back when I had a vacation there as a kid.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #517 on: September 14, 2019, 11:46:23 AM »
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #518 on: September 14, 2019, 12:46:56 PM »
Humberto has now been named officially. His forecast track is currently drifting to the north of Bermuda. However:

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On the forecast track, the system is anticipated to move near or over the northwestern Bahamas today, and offshore of the east coast of Florida this weekend and early next week.

Maximum sustained winds are near 40 mph (65 km/h) with higher gusts. Gradual strengthening is forecast, and Humberto is expected to become a hurricane by Sunday night.

Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 90 miles (150 km) from the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1007 mb (29.74 inches).
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #519 on: September 14, 2019, 02:00:40 PM »
Climate Reality: "September 1 is now a day etched into the marble of Bahamian history and Bahamian memory. But it’s also a day that should be remembered the world over: the day that our accumulated choices and our inaction against climate change swelled into a storm."
https://mobile.twitter.com/climatereality/status/1172640867066290176

Hurricane Dorian Was a Climate Injustice
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hurricane-dorian-was-a-climate-injustice
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #520 on: September 14, 2019, 04:16:36 PM »
Things are warming up in the North Atlantic. The current 5 day outlook:
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Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« Reply #521 on: Today at 05:36:14 PM »
Why a warming planet may mean more Dorian-like storms
https://www.augustachronicle.com/news/20190915/why-warming-planet-may-mean-more-dorian-like-storms
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But most researchers agree the conduct of these storms, including flooding rains, escalating intensities, and a swollen storm surge riding on rising seas, is consistent with what climate change models predict will happen more often as the world warms.

HotSpots H2O: In Bahamas, Lack of Toilets and Safe Water Pose Disease Risk After Dorian
https://www.circleofblue.org/2019/world/hotspots-h2o-in-bahamas-lack-of-toilets-and-safe-water-pose-disease-risk-after-dorian/
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The Bahamas are still reeling after Hurricane Dorian caused widespread destruction earlier this month. Many residents report a shortage of food and water, and health experts warn that the hardest-hit areas could face a health crisis.

Residents of the Abaco Islands, where Dorian made landfall on September 1 as a Category 5 storm, as well as those in Grand Bahama, the country’s second-most populated island, say essential supplies are running low.

“We have no food. No water. We’re abandoned here,” Shenelle Kemp, a resident of Grand Bahama, told The Guardian last week. Aid groups have been rushing to distribute food, water, water purification tablets, and medicine, but access to some areas of the islands is limited. Relief efforts were also slowed by Tropical Storm Humberto, which brought heavy rainfall over the weekend.
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