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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #150 on: January 09, 2021, 11:03:38 AM »
You are right Walrus. I am outraged. Outraged that nazis and terrorists and traitors could so easily breach, desecrate, and savage the Capitol.

4 “protesters” died you say. I say 4 terrorists died.

The left is protesting for equality and against the murder of unarmed black men and women. The right is protesting a free and fair election while being heavily armed. They are not protesting social and racial injustices. These things are not the same.

Had the police been as heavily armed as at BLM protests, or as at women’s marches, or as at Standing rock then the neonazis and terrorists would not have been able to force entry to the Capitol and they would not have been shot.

Fuck em


And a quick caveat: the police still need to be defunded. The entire system still needs to be reformed.
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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #151 on: January 09, 2021, 11:32:27 AM »
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And a quick caveat: the police still need to be defunded. The entire system still needs to be reformed.
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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #152 on: January 09, 2021, 02:34:12 PM »
Ktb, are you implying that some lives do not matter as much as others?

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« Reply #153 on: January 10, 2021, 02:48:53 AM »
Ktb, are you implying that some lives do not matter as much as others?

I think it's just that if you decide to overthrow the government, you can expect bad things to happen to you.   Those who aren't in favour of overthrowing the government aren't likely to give a damn what happens to those who do try.    Consequences can be fatal.

As to the idea, yes.   Some lives will matter more, but it's always going to depend on the situation.  If you're threatening the lives of others, your life doesn't much matter to me.   Unless there's a damn good reason to threaten those lives.  e.g. Nazis (real ones, and if we're in a law abiding society we're gonna call for them to be imprisoned after a trial.  Not dangled from a lamp post.)

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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #154 on: January 10, 2021, 09:19:49 AM »
All lives have the same value, but for example if you drink and drive, the press can't say that you are unlucky, it can only say that you should be careful.

Entering in the context of a mob inside governmental buildings it putting your life at risk. It is a known fact that government usually don't react a non violent way.

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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #155 on: January 10, 2021, 11:13:11 AM »
I’m saying

1. The police should not be judge, jury, and executioner.

2. Breonna Taylor, a black woman shot by police while SLEEPING IN HER OWN HOME DURING A NO KNOCK RAID should still be alive. She did not place herself in an illegal or incriminating position. She was fucking sleeping. The examples go on and on of black people being killed while committing no crimes.

3. If neonazis break in to the Capitol looking for violence, nobody should be surprised when they are met with violence. They committed violent crimes. They should still be alive so they can face criminal charges. But they are not.

Anybody who believes that black and indigenous people being killed while attempting to gain the same level of rights and recognition provided to white people are on the same level as neonazis attacking the US Capitol is a bonafide moron. If you cannot see the difference, you are either too stupid to comprehend, or being purposefully dense.
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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #156 on: January 11, 2021, 12:42:32 AM »
Anybody who believes that black and indigenous people being killed while attempting to gain the same level of rights and recognition provided to white people are on the same level as neonazis attacking the US Capitol is a bonafide moron. If you cannot see the difference, you are either too stupid to comprehend, or being purposefully dense.

Yup. One cannot assume storming the capitol will be good for one's health. I'm quite frankly stunned that only one fool was shot. And she worked hard for it.

Revolution, insurrection, or whatever you want to call Wednesday's failure was a skin in the game activity.

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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #157 on: January 11, 2021, 06:48:52 PM »
FBI Warns of Armed Group Traveling to DC Later This Week - Report
https://twitter.com/AaronKatersky/status/1348675941309034496

According to ABC News, the FBI has sent a bulleting saying the bureau has “received information about an identified armed group intending to travel to Washington, DC on 16 January.”

The FBI said the group has warned that attempts to remove Donald Trump from office will result in “a huge uprising”.

The report comes amid intensifying concerns about violence around Joe Biden’s inauguration on January 20, after a mob stormed the US Capitol.

The mayor of Washington, Muriel Bowser, said today that she has asked the interior department to cancel any public gathering permits in the city from today until January 24.

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Alert: FBI Reports Armed Protests Planned for All 50 States
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshMargolin/status/1348672731286532096
https://www.insidernj.com/alert-fbi-reports-armed-protests-planned-50-states/

‘FBI now reports in a bulletin ‘Armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the US Capitol from 17 January through 20 January.”

The FBI is seeking information that will assist in identifying individuals who are actively instigating violence in Washington, DC. The FBI is accepting tips and digital media depicting rioting and violence in the U.S. Capitol Building and surrounding area in Washington, DC, on January 6, 2021.

https://tips.fbi.gov/digitalmedia/aad18481a3e8f02

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Mayor Bowser Urges People to Avoid DC as National Guard Plans to Have Up to 15,000 Troops In City
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/11/politics/bowser-avoid-dc-biden-inauguration/index.html

Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser on Monday urged Americans to avoid the city during President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration next week and to participate virtually following last week's deadly domestic terror attack on the US Capitol.

Meanwhile, the National Guard has plans to have up to 15,000 National Guard troops to meet current and future requests for the inauguration, Gen. Daniel Hokanson, the chief of the National Guard Bureau, said Monday. The dramatic increase in troops comes as law enforcement in the nation's capital and around the country brace for further extremist violence amid the transition of power.

Speaking at a news conference Monday, Bowser stressed that she was concerned about more violent actors potentially coming to the city in the run-up to the inauguration, saying, "if I'm scared of anything, it's for our democracy, because we have very extreme factions in our country that are armed and dangerous."

"Trumpism won't die on January 20," said Bowser, who has asked Trump and acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf to declare a pre-disaster declaration for DC.

The mayor ultimately assessed in a letter to Trump over the weekend that despite the security assets the city has in place, "significant preparedness gaps remain that cannot be remedied without this emergency declaration and direct federal assistance."

Currently there 6,200 National Guard members who already been mobilized in the wake of last week's attack on the Capitol by pro-Trump supporters.

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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #158 on: January 11, 2021, 08:20:57 PM »
I’m saying

1. The police should not be judge, jury, and executioner.

2. Breonna Taylor, a black woman shot by police while SLEEPING IN HER OWN HOME DURING A NO KNOCK RAID should still be alive. She did not place herself in an illegal or incriminating position. She was fucking sleeping. The examples go on and on of black people being killed while committing no crimes.

3. If neonazis break in to the Capitol looking for violence, nobody should be surprised when they are met with violence. They committed violent crimes. They should still be alive so they can face criminal charges. But they are not.

Anybody who believes that black and indigenous people being killed while attempting to gain the same level of rights and recognition provided to white people are on the same level as neonazis attacking the US Capitol is a bonafide moron. If you cannot see the difference, you are either too stupid to comprehend, or being purposefully dense.

I agree with all three of your bullet points.  I just fail to see what connection you are trying to make in your last comment. 

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« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2021, 09:20:38 PM »
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“I don’t want to be an alarmist,” Beirich said, “but I worry about a mass casualty event at the inauguration.”

In general, Beirich said, whatever Trump’s actions may be in the future, “I don’t see how you can embolden and energize this many people, in what has become an anti-democratic movement, without creating a strong possibility of violence.”

I think we need to be asking for further help from Canada and maybe some other allies.

And as the Trumpists focus on DC and state capitols, Neo-Nazis are looking to take advantage of that mayhem to cause further chaos elsewhere:

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The 17 January date is one focus of protest organizing by Trumpists, with plans for armed protests at state capitols around the country. In the Parler Lifeboat channel on Monday, one Trump supporter responded to a post on the Gateway Pundit site urging people to stay away from the rallies with defiance, writing, “I urge you all to take up arms and show up.”

A subsequent “Million Militia March” planned for inauguration day in Washington DC – which will come at the tail end of three days of protest in the capital, was being pointed to by other accelerationist channels as an opportunity for escalating tension and violence far and wide, while law enforcement were preoccupied with events in Washington DC.

One channel posted an advertisement for a “Million Militia March” scheduled for 20 January in the capital, with the caption: “The Trumpists will be keeping DC and the military busy on the 20th as you can see.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/11/trump-supporters-rightwing-violent-protest

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« Reply #160 on: January 13, 2021, 04:02:40 PM »
Link Between Climate Scepticism and Support for Right-Wing Populists – Study
https://phys.org/news/2021-01-link-climate-scepticism-right-wing-populists.html

Clear evidence of a link between people supporting right-wing political parties and climate-change scepticism has been identified in a new study from the University of Oxford and the Leibniz Institute for the Social Sciences.

Based on survey data and tracking web browsing histories from more than 9,000 participants in six countries, including the UK and the US, the Oxford Internet Institute study finds several significant differences in attitudes towards climate change between supporters of populist parties and non-supporters. The study also highlights variations in the websites and content regularly used by supporters and those who do not support the parties.

The researchers found support for right-wing parties is strongly linked to scepticism on climate issues and opposition to climate-friendly policies. The study did not find a link between support for left-wing populist parties and climate change denial, but did observe respondents with less interest in political issues were more likely to be climate-change sceptics.

The study, "Is there a link between Climate Change Scepticism and Populism?" by Dr. Pu Yan, Professor Ralph Schroeder, and Sebastian Stier, is the first of its kind to test four hypotheses concerning political attitudes, climate activism, and online media diets and consumption, to see to what extent those variables have an impact on climate change scepticism.

The researchers also examined the media habits of supporters and non-supporters of populist parties, tracking over 150 million website visits over three months.

Key findings include:

- Supporters of left-wing and right-wing populist parties are more likely to visit news websites for climate change information than non-supporters of populist parties.

- Science related websites account for over a tenth (11%) of non-news domains visited by right-wing populist party supporters.

- Non-supporters of populist parties more likely to visit non-news website domains such as climate-related organisations websites

Professor Ralph Schroeder noted, "Our study shows that populists are highly interested in the politics of climate change. They seek a coherent worldview that bolsters their ideas about climate change and the science of climate change, so that it fits their overall political agenda.

Pu Yan et al. Is there a link between climate change scepticism and populism? An analysis of web tracking and survey data from Europe and the US, Information, Communication & Society (2021).
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369118X.2020.1864005
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Re: The Alt Right
« Reply #161 on: January 13, 2021, 04:11:41 PM »
“I don’t want to be an alarmist,” Beirich said, “but I worry about a mass casualty event at the inauguration.”



I think we need to be asking for further help from Canada and maybe some other allies.


Canadian here, we're not going to send troops into your nation.    This is something you guys need to fix.  Preferably without too much bloodshed.    If the violence escalates it'll grow into a civil war, no sane nation gets involved in another nation's civil war.    Sorry.

As far as the Alt-Right is concerned, I think the laws need to be enforced strictly.    They're far more dangerous, at this time, than any leftist group on this f'n planet.   Hell, they just attempted a coup d'etat in the USA, how much more of a threat do they have to prove themselves to be?

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« Reply #162 on: January 13, 2021, 04:15:14 PM »
Canadian here, we're not going to send troops into your nation.    This is something you guys need to fix.  Preferably without too much bloodshed.    If the violence escalates it'll grow into a civil war, no sane nation gets involved in another nation's civil war.    Sorry.

As far as the Alt-Right is concerned, I think the laws need to be enforced strictly.    They're far more dangerous, at this time, than any leftist group on this f'n planet.   Hell, they just attempted a coup d'etat in the USA, how much more of a threat do they have to prove themselves to be?

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« Reply #163 on: January 15, 2021, 11:37:22 PM »






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« Reply #164 on: January 16, 2021, 03:24:03 AM »
Leaked Parler Data Points to Users at Police Stations, U.S. Military Bases
https://gizmodo.com/leaked-parler-data-points-to-users-at-police-stations-1846059897

Location data gleaned from thousands of videos posted on the social network Parler and extracted in the days before Amazon restricted access to app this week, reveal its users included police officers around the U.S. and service members stationed on bases at home and abroad.

The presence on Parler of active military and police raises concerns, experts said, about their potential exposure to far-right conspiracy theories and extremist ideologies enabled by the platform’s practically nonexistent moderation and its stated openness to hate speech. Military officials have long considered infiltration and recruitment by white supremacist groups a threat. Groups that endorsed a wide range of racist beliefs appear to have been operating openly on Parler, the experts said, with the de facto permission of its owners. The FBI has likewise raised concerns over law enforcement agents adopting radical views and being recruited—viewing their access to secured buildings, elected officials, and other VIPs as a singular threat.

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The FBI Has Quietly Investigated White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/

White supremacists and other domestic extremists maintain an active presence in U.S. police departments and other law enforcement agencies. A striking reference to that conclusion, notable for its confidence and the policy prescriptions that accompany it, appears in a classified FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide from April 2015, obtained by The Intercept. The guide, which details the process by which the FBI enters individuals on a terrorism watchlist, the Known or Suspected Terrorist File, notes that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers,” and explains in some detail how bureau policies have been crafted to take this infiltration into account.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

https://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-SovereignCitizenIdeology.pdf
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« Reply #165 on: January 25, 2021, 02:51:54 PM »
I appreciated the guy dressed up like Esau, from the story of Jacob and Esau.

Capitol Riot ‘Caveman’ From Brooklyn Arrested After Outing Himself
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/capitol-riot-caveman-aaron-mostofsky-of-brooklyn-arrested.html

The Trump-supporting son of a Brooklyn judge who dressed like a caveman to storm the U.S. Capitol last week was arrested in New York on Tuesday, authorities said — and his big mouth did him in.

"Aaron Mostofsky was both filmed and photographed at the attempted coup, donning fur and a tactical vest with “POLICE” written across the chest. Yeshiva World posted videos that appear to show FBI agents outside a Flatbush residence this morning, carrying what seemed to be the same fur getup Mostofsky sported during the riot. Mostofsky’s father is Shlomo Mostofsky, a Kings County Supreme Court judge and a “prominent figure in the Orthodox Jewish community,” as the New York Post put it."
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« Reply #166 on: January 25, 2021, 03:00:23 PM »
 Breitbart News Network: Born In The USA, Conceived In Israel
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2015/11/17/breitbart-news-network-born-in-the-usa-conceived-in-israel/

"A lot of people don’t realize this but Breitbart News Network really got its start in Jerusalem. It was the summer of 2007, and Andrew had been invited to tour Israel as part of a media junket. I agreed to tag along as his lawyer and best friend. What neither of us knew at the time was that the trip would change our lives and give us the inspiration for Breitbart News Network."

I wonder where Matt Drudge of the Drudge report and Ezra Levant from Rebel Media got their inspiration.
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« Reply #167 on: January 25, 2021, 10:36:14 PM »
This is not exactly right. The two co-founders are both Americans, and it happened that they first discussed about it in Jerusalem, but excepted for the fact that they were in Israel, there is no other link with that country. I believe that Breitbart already hat the concept before leaving the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News

The way it is presented here could make people think that Israeli where involved in the conception.

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« Reply #168 on: Today at 12:03:19 AM »
Why would someone believe wiki over the source itself? Breitbart, Solov, and Drudge are all Jewish Americans, Levant is Jewish Canadian. It's a strange world in the alt-right.

Gavin Mcinnes, founder of the proud boys, is Canadian and worked for Ezra Levant. And then...
https://forward.com/news/455608/theres-a-proud-boys-chapter-in-israel-stand-by-debate-trump/
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« Reply #169 on: Today at 05:20:48 AM »


"Artist Matt Furie, creator of the comic character Pepe the Frog, begins an uphill battle to take back his iconic cartoon image from those who used it for their own purposes."

When reading "own purposes", understand that means derogatory, sexist, racist, white nationalist, pro-hitler purposes.
Was an interesting documentary. Good luck to the original creator.
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« Reply #170 on: Today at 07:01:10 AM »
I don't understand how some people can link political non religious actions with a specific religion. We are not talking of the crusades, but of Political Propaganda. I find it very chocking.
I hope nobody thinks that religion could be a vaccine against being an a......