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« Reply #350 on: March 29, 2019, 08:03:19 AM »
I hope that Cenk Uygur will now also have a conversation with black, leftist Venezuelans, and that Rob Dekker will post the link here.

Well, I'm not sure why being "black" and being "leftist" would make any difference, but here is the reality of the Venezuelan people (regardless of skin color or political orientation) that are at least NOT "well to do".

Cenk may want to interview them just like TRT did :



These people are living on $2/day in Colombia, but still won't go back to Venezuela, since at least their kids can eat in Colombia.

And Cenk may want to interview these people from a barrio in Caracas, who protested the Maduro policies on Jan 23 this year, and then had to face FAES afterwards.
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/01/27/meet-faes-the-bolivarian-police-death-squads-leading-repression-against-protesters/



The UN estimates 40 protesters where killed, 850 detained.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-un/more-than-40-dead-850-detained-in-venezuela-violence-u-n-says-idUSKCN1PN16Y

That is how the voice of the poor is being handled by the Maduro regime.
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« Reply #351 on: March 29, 2019, 08:27:59 AM »
You're also nuts if you think sociopaths like Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, Booker, Biden, Clintons, Obama and the other neoliberal Corporatist Republicans-lite think that.

Even Harris is not good enough for you ?

Seriously, Neven, you need to chill out.

A LOT.
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« Reply #352 on: March 29, 2019, 09:21:14 AM »
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Well, I'm not sure why being "black" and being "leftist" would make any difference,

Yes, it would, as class and race are huge factors in the Venezuelan dynamic.

There are more poor people in the US than the total population of Venezuela, prison rates in the US are the world's highest, with almost 25% of the global prison population being incarcerated in American prisons, surveillance of Americans by their own government is unparalleled, and so on. But of course, Rob only wants to talk about what the mainstream media feeds him.

And so Rob supports Guaido (and Pompeo, Bolton, Trump and all the other neocon loonies who want oil, weapons sales and crushing 'socialism') and a regime change, that at least half the Venezuelan people is against. Very democratic. Could it be that you dislike dictators so much, because there's a little dictator inside of you? For more insight, I can recommend Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians.
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« Reply #353 on: March 29, 2019, 10:13:49 AM »
Of course, if you want people to have it better in Venezuela, you need to protest US sanctions, not support neoliberal stooges like Guaido. And maybe not manipulate oil prices with your repressive dictatorial buddies in Saudi Arabia.

Because, of course, it's all about the oil. That's why mainstream media supports Trump's neocon regime change policies, in turn instigating Rob's selective and politically motivated indignation.
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« Reply #354 on: March 30, 2019, 05:34:51 AM »
 Venezuela's Comptroller General says opposition lawmaker Juan Guaido has been barred from holding public office for fifteen years, as authorities investigate irregularities with his personal finances.

Also mentions the "sniper attack" on the hydro plant by "opposition terrorists" that caused the fires outages.


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« Reply #355 on: March 30, 2019, 05:45:25 AM »
The presence of Russian troops and military equipment in Venezuela makes regime-change military intervention to topple the Maduro government unlikely and furthermore, President Maduro is genuinely popular, Daniel McAdams of the Ron Paul Institute tells News.Views.Hughes. He says that opposition leader Juan Guaido and his faction misled the Trump administration about the ease with which he could be installed as president.



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« Reply #356 on: March 30, 2019, 06:17:07 AM »
Venezuelan refugees now number 3.4 million; humanitarian implications massive, UN warns

https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/02/1033361

Venezuelan refugees now number 3.4 million ? How so?

from the article:
 
Since 2014, over 390,000 asylum claims have been lodged by Venezuelans – close to 60 per cent (232,000) happened in 2018 alone.

To complement these efforts, a humanitarian Regional Refugee and Migrant Response Plan was launched last December, targeting 2.2 million vulnerable Venezuelans and 500,000 people in host communities across 16 countries.


390K asylum claims nor 500K in host countries does not equal 3.4 million refugees.

The UN refugee agency (UNHCR) and the UN migration agency (IOM) issued statements based on data from national immigration authorities and other sources, showing that, on average, in 2018, 5,000 people left Venezuela every day in search of protection or a better life.

= 1.8 million in 2018 ?

Who are those "other sources" and how accurate are those "immigration authorities"?

When Trump was crying about the Caravans heading to the US border I do not recall any mention of a MAJOR source being from Venezuela?
 
The vast majority of them – 2.7 million – are hosted in countries of Latin America and the Caribbean.

Where is the other claimed 700,000 refugees? 

In fact where is this 2.7 / 3.4 million "refugees" given only 390K have registered as such since 2014!!!

These numbers do not add up, and nor are the discrepancies explained by the UN or anyone else.

eg where are the UN Refugee camps inside Columbia supposedly needing to house over 1 million poor impoverished out of work Venezuelan  Refugees?

Why do we not see any pictures of these masses of people in desperate need of Humanitarian aid from the UN in 2017, or 2018 nor in 2019? 

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« Reply #357 on: March 30, 2019, 07:34:54 AM »
Of course, if you want people to have it better in Venezuela, you need to protest US sanctions...

The Maduro regime and its military depend on the oil dollars to stay in power and suppress the Venezuelan people (see for example FAES above).

By protesting the US sanctions you are thus promoting the authoritarian Maduro regime and its suppressive policies. Don't you understand that, Neven ?

What helps the people of Venezuela is international humanitarian aid.

Luckily that has now be allowed in :

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/americas/red-cross-venezuela-aid.html

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In scale and ambition, the relief effort could become an “operation very similar to what is happening in Syria,” said Francesco Rocca, the president of the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, to reporters in Caracas on Friday. “It obviously will not and cannot solve the country’s problems, but it’s a necessary step to save lives.”

Mr. Maduro had repeatedly denied that the country needed help, even as the economy hurtled toward collapse. The crisis has led to an explosion of malnutrition and infant mortality, a resurgence of nearly eradicated diseases and the biggest refugee crisis in South America, as hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans fled.
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« Reply #358 on: March 30, 2019, 07:59:30 AM »
Of course, if you want people to have it better in Venezuela, you need to protest US sanctions...

The Maduro regime and its military depend on the oil dollars to stay in power and suppress the Venezuelan people (see for example FAES above).  Don't you understand that, Neven ?

What helps the people of Venezuela is international humanitarian aid.

Finally that has now be allowed in :

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/americas/red-cross-venezuela-aid.html

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In scale and ambition, the relief effort could become an “operation very similar to what is happening in Syria,” said Francesco Rocca, the president of the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, to reporters in Caracas on Friday. “It obviously will not and cannot solve the country’s problems, but it’s a necessary step to save lives.”

Mr. Maduro had repeatedly denied that the country needed help, even as the economy hurtled toward collapse. The crisis has led to an explosion of malnutrition and infant mortality, a resurgence of nearly eradicated diseases and the biggest refugee crisis in South America, as hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans fled.
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« Reply #359 on: March 30, 2019, 08:18:01 AM »
But of course, Rob only wants to talk about what the mainstream media feeds him.

The sources I presented : TRT (a Turkish News Agency) and Caracas Chronicles (a crowd funded independent Venezuelan news agency) are anything but "mainstream media".

I'm sorry that the facts presented don't match with your world view.
You can now choose to ignore these facts, or adjust your world view.
Your call.
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« Reply #360 on: March 30, 2019, 09:11:09 AM »
Also mentions the "sniper attack" on the hydro plant by "opposition terrorists" that caused the fires outages.

Before the US was involved, it were :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47492624
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"animals such as rats, mice, snakes, cats, squirrels" getting into the hydroelectric system's substations - before adding that "of course iguanas are included".

Then when the US declared its sanctions against the Maduro regime, it was :

https://www.cybersecurity-insiders.com/venezuela-power-outage-caused-by-us-cyber-attack/
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The populace in Venezuela is reigning under a power blackout which is suspected to have been caused by hackers backed by US Intelligence. Well, President Nicholas Maduro said so and added in his statement that his government has enough evidence to prove his claims.

Off course no evidence of US involvement was ever presented, but sure. Whatever.

Then it was the opposition switching on all their appliances :

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/americas/venezuela-blackout-restored-intl/index.html
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The Information Minister used to the press conference to accuse supporters of the opposition leader, and Venezuela's self-declared interim president, Juan Guaido, of trying to bring down the electrical grid by plugging in all their appliances.

And now it is a "sniper attack" on the hydro plant by "opposition terrorists".

OK. So you can't take responsibility for mis-management of your electric grid.
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« Reply #361 on: March 30, 2019, 09:37:41 AM »
That is how the voice of the poor is being handled by the Maduro regime.

Talk about desperate for "bad" examples. Any confirmation of those numbers since January when it supposedly happened?

This is what a real protest against a President looks like .....

About one million people took to the streets of Algiers on Friday to demand the resignation of President Abdelaziz Bouteflika, Reuters reported, citing police officers at the scene. This has been the biggest demonstration since unrest erupted six weeks ago. Earlier reports said that Algerian police used tear gas and water cannon to try to disperse demonstrators, days after the army called for Bouteflika’s removal to end weeks of political crisis. The protests, which erupted on February 22, have been largely peaceful but have put pressure on the military to stabilize the North African country.


Get back to us when Quaido can pull an anti-Maduro crowd of 1 million versus the 500, 1000, or occasional 10,000 crowd.

I wish Neven didn't "cull" so many of your posts Rob. People should have the right to see the real quality of your 'character' and 'moral' compass imho.

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« Reply #362 on: March 30, 2019, 09:42:09 AM »
    Gen. @vladimirpadrino: The FANB has a historic role & opportunity to protect the Venezuelan people from violence conducted by Maduro’s ‘colectivos’, to avoid further bowing to Cuba, & to protect the Constitutional order from Maduro’s usurpation of democracy. Do the right thing.
    — John Bolton (@AmbJohnBolton) March 28, 2019

"Mr. Bolton, I tell you that we are doing the right thing," Padrino responded in a televised address. "Doing the right thing is doing what's written in the constitution... Doing the right thing is respecting the will of the people."

Padrino does not seem interested in Bolton's love letters, however, denouncing Guaido as "a self-proclaimed outlaw."

"We, the soldiers of the Motherland, do not accept the president imposed in the shadow of dark interests,"
he said.

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« Reply #363 on: March 30, 2019, 06:16:47 PM »

I wish Neven didn't "cull" so many of your posts Rob. People should have the right to see the real quality of your 'character' and 'moral' compass imho.

Yeah and you could add your address too, Rob, so that he or she can send the Thought Police

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« Reply #364 on: March 30, 2019, 10:59:48 PM »
"thought police" , that old phurphy is used when facts fail to impress .... ROFL

 Haiti opposition calls for renewed street protests against US-backed president
Published time: 30 Mar, 2019 07:30
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Mass protests in Haiti may renew after leading opposition groups united over the common goal of ousting President Jovenel Moise, whose government the protesters accuse of corruption. Earlier, at least 26 people were killed and dozens injured amid clashes between activists and security forces.

The protests first erupted in February after a court report accused senior officials of misappropriating billions of dollars in aid received from Venezuela. Haiti is also suffering from a deteriorating economy and a lack of security, with gang violence on the rise.

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« Reply #365 on: March 30, 2019, 11:19:10 PM »
Haiti is also suffering from a deteriorating economy and a lack of security, with gang violence on the rise.

But no oil, and so we don't care.
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« Reply #366 on: March 31, 2019, 05:19:37 AM »
Where would you prefer to be living?

In Gaza, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Haiti, Mozambique or Venezuela?

 the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, reports. “From September to December 2018, an estimated 1.78 million people... were severely food insecure in the country.” Those problems are now exacerbated by the storm. The United Nations World Food Programme has classified the situation in Mozambique as its highest-level emergency.

And that brings us back to cholera spreading in Beira.

“Malnutrition and cholera are interconnected,” Jamie McGoldrick, the UN humanitarian coordinator for Yemen told the Washington Post. “Weakened and hungry people are more likely to contract cholera and cholera is more likely to flourish in places where malnutrition exists.”

Or, pontificating from San Francisco while driving around in your brand new Tesla Model S saving the world from Climate Change?

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« Reply #367 on: March 31, 2019, 06:01:31 AM »
US is manufacturing a crisis in Venezuela so that there is chaos and 'needed' intervention
Eva Bartlett is a freelance journalist and rights activist with extensive experience in the Gaza Strip and Syria. Her writings can be found on her blog, In Gaza.

Long detailed article with videos
Intro
 Venezuela is America's current target for mass destabilization in the hope of installing a puppet government.

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    Yesterday in Petare, largest barrio in Latin America (& one of poorest in Caracas), I saw not-starving ppl purchasing similar vegs, plus meats, walking like normal ppl, not like a "crisis".

    Media is lying about a humanitarian crisis.

    Same media that doesn't care about Yemen. pic.twitter.com/Rz3e6bp46q
    — Eva Bartlett (@EvaKBartlett) March 28, 2019
https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett/status/1111409230043439111?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Clearly, the goal of such attacks is to create so much suffering and frustration among the public that there is chaos, and a “needed” US intervention. The chaos has not happened, the people have refused it.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/455081-manufactured-crisis-venezuela-us-intervention/



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« Reply #368 on: March 31, 2019, 06:42:16 AM »
I want to read you a tweet from Debbie Wasserman-Schultz

Our viewers may know Debbie Wasserman
Schultz, she was the Democrats former
DNC chair that helped rig the primary for
Hillary Clinton and stole it from Bernie
Sanders. So she cheated Bernie Sanders
out of what could have been a primary
victory during the 2016 elections but she
is still in Congress of course these people
you know they never get demoted they
always get promoted.

Here is Debbie Wasserman Schultz's
tweet regarding Venezuela and I quote

"Russian military officials arrived in
Venezuela this weekend. Today my Bill
"The Russia - Venezuelan Threat Mitigation
Act" goes to the House floor requiring a
State Department threat assessment of
Russian influence in Venezuela
."

Alexander that Bill did pass and Abby
Martin who's an excellent journalist she
responded to Debbie Wasserman
Schultz's tweet and this is her reply:

"Weird to be concerned about Russian
influence in Venezuela at the same time
you're trying to install a blood-thirsty
coup there!"





"So the U.S. is once again applying its
double standards and is engaging in
some absolutely surreal disinformation,
which I have to say I find so bizarre
that I struggle to believe that anybody
can possibly believe it or take it seriously."
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« Reply #369 on: March 31, 2019, 07:52:08 AM »
Arson in Venezuela? Forests, bush land near cities, power grid and plants, refineries, pipelines.

The S300s missile defence system didn't just arrive. They have been there since 2013 apparently but only recently being deployed in response to US aggression, terrorist activities, and military threats.
 

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« Reply #370 on: March 31, 2019, 08:35:11 AM »
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Our viewers may know Debbie Wasserman
Schultz, she was the Democrats former
DNC chair that helped rig the primary for
Hillary Clinton and stole it from Bernie
Sanders. So she cheated Bernie Sanders
out of what could have been a primary
victory during the 2016 elections but she
is still in Congress of course these people
you know they never get demoted they
always get promoted.

Here is Debbie Wasserman Schultz's
tweet regarding Venezuela and I quote

"Russian military officials arrived in
Venezuela this weekend. Today my Bill
"The Russia - Venezuelan Threat Mitigation
Act" goes to the House floor requiring a
State Department threat assessment of
Russian influence in Venezuela
."

Alexander that Bill did pass and Abby
Martin who's an excellent journalist she
responded to Debbie Wasserman
Schultz's tweet and this is her reply:

"Weird to be concerned about Russian
influence in Venezuela at the same time
you're trying to install a blood-thirsty
coup there!"


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"So the U.S. is once again applying its
double standards and is engaging in
some absolutely surreal disinformation,
which I have to say I find so bizarre
that I struggle to believe that anybody
can possibly believe it or take it seriously
."

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"Let's assume that there are no Turkish
troops in Venezuela
, why are we even talking
about the possibility somebody's doing
it, might it be the Turks themselves?
Quite possibly I mean it's an extraordinary
thing.

But I mean first of all that maybe Turkish troops
there, I don't know that there are not, but
even if they are not the very fact that people
are talking about this possibility is extraordinary.

And as I said remember what an important
country is a turkey is to the NATO system.
I mean not only is it is it got the second biggest
military in NATO I'm not saying it's the second
most powerful military in NATO but it is the
second biggest but it is a pivotal power
that the United States needs as an ally
in order to project power into the Middle East
and into the Black Sea and Balkan areas if
the U.S. really were to lose turkey if it really
were to lose Turkey, if Turkey were really to
go over completely to the side of the Eurasian
powers of Russia and China then the entire
American position in the Eastern
Mediterranean and in the Middle East
would be in very serious jeopardy, with
the Russian fleet able to sail from
Sevastopol into the eastern Mediterranean
unhindered. That frankly is going to change
the whole dynamics in that whole area."
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« Reply #371 on: April 01, 2019, 06:43:18 AM »
Here is a report from Jan 2019 :

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Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday raised the minimum wage by 300 percent to 18,000 bolivars per month

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-wage/venezuelas-maduro-hikes-minimum-wage-300-percent-idUSKCN1P82E2

Now, 12 seconds into that Eva Bartlett video, we see that a hot dog costs 10,000 bolivars.

In other words, if you make minimum wage in Venezuela, you can almost buy two hot dogs per month.

That's the crisis in Venezuela that the whole world is talking about and only Russia and its useful idiots in the west (like Lurk and Eva Bartlett) is trying very hard to deny.
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« Reply #372 on: April 01, 2019, 06:51:01 AM »
Here is a report from Jan 2019 :

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Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday raised the minimum wage by 300 percent to 18,000 bolivars per month

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-wage/venezuelas-maduro-hikes-minimum-wage-300-percent-idUSKCN1P82E2

Now, 19 seconds into that Eva Bartlett video, we see that a jumbo hot dog costs 10,000 bolivars.

In other words, if you make minimum wage in Venezuela, you can almost buy two jumbo hot dogs per month.

That's ONE crisis in Venezuela that Russia and its useful idiots in the west (like Lurk and Eva Bartlett) are trying very hard to deny.
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« Reply #373 on: April 01, 2019, 08:15:03 AM »
Here is a report from Jan 2019 :

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Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday raised the minimum wage by 300 percent to 18,000 bolivars per month

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-wage/venezuelas-maduro-hikes-minimum-wage-300-percent-idUSKCN1P82E2

Now, 19 seconds into that Eva Bartlett video, we see that a jumbo hot dog costs 10,000 bolivars.

In other words, if you make minimum wage in Venezuela, you cannot even buy two jumbo hot dogs per month.

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« Reply #374 on: April 01, 2019, 09:57:53 AM »
Here is a report from Jan 2019 :

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Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday raised the minimum wage by 300 percent to 18,000 bolivars per month

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-wage/venezuelas-maduro-hikes-minimum-wage-300-percent-idUSKCN1P82E2

Now, 19 seconds into that Eva Bartlett video, we see that a jumbo hot dog costs 10,000 bolivars.

In other words, if you make minimum wage in Venezuela, you can almost buy two jumbo hot dogs per month.

That's ONE crisis in Venezuela that Russia and its useful idiots in the west (like Lurk and Eva Bartlett) are trying very hard to deny.
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« Reply #375 on: April 01, 2019, 11:09:32 AM »
That's all fine and dandy, Rob. We all know what hyperinflation is and that many countries around the world have suffered from it, are suffering from it and will be suffering from it, especially if they are dependent on a resource with high price volatility, and are subject to illegal, crippling sanctions.

Stop being pro-Guaido or other crony capitalist stooges, stop rooting for undemocratic regime change (together with Pompeo, Bolton, Abrams, Trump, Wasserman-Schultz and the other psychopaths), protest the sanctions and call for cooperation with Venezuela to help them become less dependent on oil. I know you think neoliberalism is the best way forward, and so socialism must be fought at every turn, but that mindset is what brings you Trump, and much worse in the near future.

And stick with Venezuela from now on, make it your project. Don't switch to something else or some other 'dictator', as soon as the establishment media tells you to. The enemy is Us, not Them.
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« Reply #376 on: April 02, 2019, 05:30:17 AM »
Neven, I'm not pro-Guaido. I'm just against Maduro and his policies, and I want to see free elections in Venezuela.

Just like 50+ governments of democratic countries do.

And so should you.

Venezuela has been robbed blind, the country turned into a repressive dictatorship, the treasury looted, the economy tanked, revenue stolen, and the perpetrators are not even hard to find.

Here is one :

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A former national treasurer of Venezuela who lives in a 9,000-square-foot Wellington estate has admitted he received more than $1 billion in bribes to allow other business leaders to raid the nation’s coffers, pushing the country into financial chaos, according to federal court papers released Tuesday.

Alejandro Andrade, 54, who has been a player in Wellington’s equestrian scene since moving into the gated Palm Beach Point community in 2012, has pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy in connection with a global money-laundering scheme that devastated the once-wealthy nation, according to federal court records unsealed Tuesday.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20181120/alejandro-andrade-feds-unseal-indictment-that-implicates-wellington-based-show-horse-owner

Why on Earth you are still defining this guy Maduro and attacking me for doing simple fact-checks is beyond me.
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« Reply #377 on: April 02, 2019, 05:37:37 AM »
Neven, I'm not pro-Guaido. I'm just against Maduro and his corrupt government, and I want to see free elections in Venezuela.

Just like 50+ governments of democratic countries do.

And so should you.

Under Chavez and later Maduro, Venezuela has been robbed blind, the country turned into a repressive dictatorship, the treasury looted, the economy tanked, revenue stolen, and the perpetrators are not even hard to find.

Here is one :



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A former national treasurer of Venezuela who lives in a 9,000-square-foot Wellington estate has admitted he received more than $1 billion in bribes to allow other business leaders to raid the nation’s coffers, pushing the country into financial chaos, according to federal court papers released Tuesday.

Alejandro Andrade, 54, who has been a player in Wellington’s equestrian scene since moving into the gated Palm Beach Point community in 2012, has pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy in connection with a global money-laundering scheme that devastated the once-wealthy nation, according to federal court records unsealed Tuesday.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20181120/alejandro-andrade-feds-unseal-indictment-that-implicates-wellington-based-show-horse-owner

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« Reply #378 on: April 02, 2019, 06:29:54 AM »
Neven, I'm not pro-Guaido. I'm just against Maduro and his corrupt and repressive government, and I want to see free elections in Venezuela.

Just like Bernie said :

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What’s going on in Venezuela is terrible.
The economy is a disaster.
People are living in hunger and in fear.
I strongly believe there has to be an international and humanitarian effort
to improve lives for the people.
I think the evidence is clear that the last election in Venezuela was not a free and fair election,
and under international supervision, I want to see a free and fair election.

And just like 50+ governments of democratic countries do. Including even Japan.

And so should you.

Under Chavez and later Maduro, Venezuela has been robbed blind, the country turned into a repressive dictatorship, the treasury looted, the economy tanked, revenue stolen, and the perpetrators are not even hard to find.

Here is one :



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A former national treasurer of Venezuela who lives in a 9,000-square-foot Wellington estate has admitted he received more than $1 billion in bribes to allow other business leaders to raid the nation’s coffers, pushing the country into financial chaos, according to federal court papers released Tuesday.

Alejandro Andrade, 54, who has been a player in Wellington’s equestrian scene since moving into the gated Palm Beach Point community in 2012, has pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy in connection with a global money-laundering scheme that devastated the once-wealthy nation, according to federal court records unsealed Tuesday.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20181120/alejandro-andrade-feds-unseal-indictment-that-implicates-wellington-based-show-horse-owner

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« Reply #379 on: April 02, 2019, 08:37:39 AM »
Neven, I'm not pro-Guaido. I'm just against Maduro and his corrupt and repressive government, and I want to see free elections in Venezuela.

Just like Bernie said :

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What’s going on in Venezuela is terrible.
The economy is a disaster.
People are living in hunger and in fear.
I strongly believe there has to be an international and humanitarian effort
to improve lives for the people.
I think the evidence is clear that the last election in Venezuela was not a free and fair election,
and under international supervision, I want to see a free and fair election.

And just like 50+ governments of democratic countries do. Including even Japan.

And so should you.

Under Chavez and later Maduro, Venezuela has been robbed blind, the country turned into a repressive dictatorship, the treasury looted, the economy tanked, revenue stolen, and the perpetrators are not even hard to find.

Here is one :



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A former national treasurer of Venezuela who lives in a 9,000-square-foot Wellington estate has admitted he received more than $1 billion in bribes to allow other business leaders to raid the nation’s coffers, pushing the country into financial chaos, according to federal court papers released Tuesday.

Alejandro Andrade, 54, who has been a player in Wellington’s equestrian scene since moving into the gated Palm Beach Point community in 2012, has pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy in connection with a global money-laundering scheme that devastated the once-wealthy nation, according to federal court records unsealed Tuesday.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20181120/alejandro-andrade-feds-unseal-indictment-that-implicates-wellington-based-show-horse-owner

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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« Reply #381 on: April 02, 2019, 10:05:52 PM »
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Under Chavez and later Maduro, Venezuela has been robbed blind, the country turned into a repressive dictatorship, the treasury looted, the economy tanked, revenue stolen, and the perpetrators are not even hard to find.

Just like those crazy Democrats are trying to do, with the take-over by commies like Bernie and AOC!

How weird it must be to sound just like Trump:



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« Reply #382 on: April 03, 2019, 04:33:15 AM »
Thank you for posting that RealNews link.

I don't agree with all the statements they make, but overall they come to the same conclusion I made :

The problem in Venezuela was caused by mismanagement of the economy, specifically over-spending and corruption.

Venezuelans cannot afford food, because the economy is in the tank, there is hyperinflation because Venezuela has NO income, and the Maduro regime is printing worthless paper as salaries to the people.

The country is BANKRUPT (Maduro is selling even the gold from the central bank, and who know how much he keeps for himself), and the political system is now a dictatorship.

And that's why 3 million Venezuelans left the country.
And the UN estimates another 2 million are to come this year.
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« Reply #383 on: April 03, 2019, 08:51:53 AM »
I'm glad that the Real News correctly points out that the sanctions are NOT the cause of the economic crisis (check 11:00 into the video).

As for the root cause, although they use much more convoluted words, they actually confirm what I posted earlier :

Chavez over-spend, and got the country into debt.
Corruption took out much of the nation's income.

Now under Maduro, Venezuelans cannot afford food, because the economy is in the tank, there is hyperinflation because Venezuela has NO income, and the Maduro regime is printing worthless paper as salaries to the people.

The country is BANKRUPT (Maduro is selling even the gold from the central bank, and who know how much he keeps for himself), and the political system is now a dictatorship.

And that's why 3 million Venezuelans left the country.
And the UN estimates another 2 million are to come this year.
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« Reply #384 on: April 03, 2019, 09:38:12 AM »
That RealNews segment confirms what I mentioned before :
That the CAUSE of the Venezuelan crisis is NOT the sanctions.
It's over-spending, mis-management and corruption during the Chavez and Maduro regimes.

Neven, I'm with Bernie and with his statement :

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What’s going on in Venezuela is terrible.
The economy is a disaster.
People are living in hunger and in fear.
I strongly believe there has to be an international and humanitarian effort
to improve lives for the people.
I think the evidence is clear that the last election in Venezuela was not a free and fair election,
and under international supervision, I want to see a free and fair election.

Seriously, by going BEYOND that statement, you are DESTROYING whatever credibility the left wing progressive movement has in the US.

Not just that, you are also prolonging the suffering of the Venezuelan people under a repressive dictatorship.
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« Reply #385 on: April 04, 2019, 06:32:34 AM »
Remember the Maine: Hearst had nuttn on these guys

"Joanna Hausmann, a comedian who posts highly viewed articles on Venezuela on YouTube, delivered a five minute, thirteen second opinion piece at the Times Monday in which she claims that the country's leader, President Nicolas Maduro, is a dictator and that the American left are his patsies. "

"What the video and the Times did not reveal is that Hausmann's father, Harvard University economics professor Ricardo Hausmann, currently serves as  Guaidó's envoy to the Inter-American Development Bank (IADB)."

What ? no babies being thrown outta incubators ? they're slipping.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/04/02/weak-journalism-nyt-fails-disclose-op-ed-writers-close-family-ties-venezuelan

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« Reply #386 on: April 04, 2019, 09:07:16 AM »
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Under Chavez and later Maduro, Venezuela has been robbed blind, the country turned into a repressive dictatorship, the treasury looted, the economy tanked, revenue stolen, and the perpetrators are not even hard to find.

Just like those crazy Democrats are trying to do, with the take-over by commies like Bernie and AOC!

How weird it must be to sound just like Trump:



Yes, I may sound like Trump, because in this particular case he is right.
Venezuela is in crisis.

Any attempt to shuv this under the rug is counterproductive.
It just plays into the hands of Trump.

Let me explain :
Trump says that Venezuela failed and it failed because it is 'socialist'.
And at the same time he promotes this message that Bernie is 'socialist'.

This is an obvious attempt to link Bernie (the most popular Democratic candidate at this point) to the failed state of Venezuela.

You, and Max Blumenthal, and Jimmy Dore, and Eva Bartlett, and to some extent Real News as well fell right into Trump's trap : You are trying to :

1) Deny that there is a crisis in Venezuela, and
2) If there is a crisis, that it is caused by the US and its sanctions.

Both are verifiably FALSE, and make you look stupid in the general public.

<snip, no McCarthyism, thanks; N.>

Also, the crisis is going to get worse as long as Maduro is in power, since Venezuela is broke and it's oil production (income) has collapsed.

So your argument will only get weaker over time.

If it's your intent to terminate Bernie and AOC and anyone else with a progressive agenda, then please go ahead, and proceed with what you are doing, promoting Dore et al. linking Venezuela to 'socialism' and denying the problems or blaming the US.

But if you are serious that Bernie is your top pick, then LISTEN to what he said :

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What’s going on in Venezuela is terrible.
The economy is a disaster.
People are living in hunger and in fear.
I strongly believe there has to be an international and humanitarian effort
to improve lives for the people.
I think the evidence is clear that the last election in Venezuela was not a free and fair election,
and under international supervision, I want to see a free and fair election.

and then DON'T go beyond that :

Don't blame the US for Venezuela's trouble.
Don't deny that the economy is a disaster.
Don't deny that people are living in hunger and in fear
Don't deny that there needs to be an international and humanitarian effort to improve the lives of the people
Don't deny that the last elections were NOT free and fair.
And most of all :

DEMAND FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS IN VENEZUELA !!!

Just like 50+ other countries, INCLUDING Japan, and the Spanish (socialist) government who stated  correctly that what's going on in Venezuela is the OPPOSITE of 'socialism'.

Please, clear your mind, stop hating the US so much, stop denying the FACTS and WORK WITH ME.
I'm the biggest Bernie fan you will ever find !

<snip, no smears, please; N.>
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« Reply #387 on: April 04, 2019, 09:42:26 AM »
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Yes, I may sound like Trump, because in this particular case he is right.
Venezuela is in crisis.

There are dozens of countries around the world that are in crisis, some of them because of US foreign policy. In fact, you could argue that the US itself is in a huge crisis. It is an oligarchy with tens of millions of uninsured, poor people, the largest penal colony in the world, widespread corruption, engaged in war crimes all around the world on a daily basis. And it is run by a pre-fascist game show host.

But you focus on Venezuela because you are the corporate media's Pavlov dog, and now you side with the pre-fascist game show host, who is 'right' because he wants a) a better oil deal with Venezuela by b) replacing the evil socialists with neoliberal sociopaths.

Your indignation is arbitrary, because all this is about, is oil and socialism. Where are your hundreds of comments on Yemen or Congo?

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Any attempt to shuv this under the rug is counterproductive.
It just plays into the hands of Trump.

Let me explain :
Trump says that Venezuela failed and it failed because it is 'socialist'.
And at the same time he promotes this message that Bernie is 'socialist'.

This is an obvious attempt to link Bernie (the most popular Democratic candidate at this point) to the failed state of Venezuela.

And so your proposal is to throw the Venezuelan people under the bus, or at least that 50% of the people (at least) who don't want to replace Chavismo with your crony capitalism. By squeezing them with illegal sanctions and covert regime change operations.

Have you ever read a history book? Don't you see where this is going? In the 70s you'd be rooting for Pinochet.

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1) Deny that there is a crisis in Venezuela, and
2) If there is a crisis, that it is caused by the US and its sanctions.

Nobody is denying that there's a crisis in Venezuela, but it's blown out of all proportions by establishment media to manufacture consent. And yes, the US sanctions are a big part of it.

Do you know what manufacturing consent is? You're an active part of that, and that is why I restrict your commenting on this forum.

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But if you are serious that Bernie is your top pick, then LISTEN to what he said :

First of all, not everything Bernie says, is gospel truth (especially if it's not about the US crisis). Second, what Bernie does wrong here, is play right into the narrative the warmongers want to establish, just like Iraq and the WMDs. In itself there is nothing wrong with what he said, but he should make clear in the first place that the US should not engage in covert or overt regime change operations/wars, and that it's important that the sanctions are cancelled asap, and that Venezuela should be helped to cut its dependency on oil (also because of AGW).

There's no such nuance in your comments, Rob. Even if you're not aware of it, you're a neoliberal/neocon warmonger who has absolute faith in the meritocracy because you identify with 'smart' people with an education (like you yourself are), and as soon as Sanders becomes a threat to neoliberalism, you will cut him loose and throw him under the bus, like the poor, black people of Venezuela. Because subconsciously, the reason you are so actively and zealously promoting the status quo, is that you want to protect your lifestyle.

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« Reply #388 on: April 04, 2019, 09:52:23 AM »
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Yes, I may sound like Trump, because in this particular case he is right.
Venezuela is in crisis.

There are dozens of countries around the world that are in crisis, some of them because of US foreign policy. In fact, you could argue that the US itself is in a huge crisis. It is an oligarchy with tens of millions of uninsured, poor people, the largest penal colony in the world, widespread corruption, engaged in war crimes all around the world on a daily basis. And it is run by a pre-fascist game show host.

But you focus on Venezuela because you are the corporate media's Pavlov dog, and now you side with the pre-fascist game show host, who is 'right' because he wants a) a better oil deal with Venezuela by b) replacing the evil socialists with neoliberal sociopaths.

Your indignation is arbitrary, because all this is about, is oil and socialism. Where are your hundreds of comments on Yemen or Congo?

Neven, you really don't get it ?
You are being led into a trap :

A trap set by Trump to link Venezuela to 'socialism' and 'socialism' to Bernie, in an attempt to discredit Bernie as a presidential candidate.

You are walking right into Trump's trap, and in your rage and anger against the US, you don't even notice the people that SHOW IT TO YOU (like me, right now) !

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Any attempt to shuv this under the rug is counterproductive.
It just plays into the hands of Trump.

Let me explain :
Trump says that Venezuela failed and it failed because it is 'socialist'.
And at the same time he promotes this message that Bernie is 'socialist'.

This is an obvious attempt to link Bernie (the most popular Democratic candidate at this point) to the failed state of Venezuela.

And so your proposal is to throw the Venezuelan people under the bus, or at least that 50% of the people (at least) who don't want to replace Chavismo with your crony capitalism. By squeezing them with illegal sanctions and covert regime change operations.

Where did you get the 50 % from ?
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« Reply #389 on: April 04, 2019, 10:31:33 AM »
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1) Deny that there is a crisis in Venezuela, and
2) If there is a crisis, that it is caused by the US and its sanctions.

Nobody is denying that there's a crisis in Venezuela, ...

Lurk's post of Eva Bartlett's piece above literally says : "I don't see a 'crisis' in Caracas".
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« Reply #390 on: April 04, 2019, 10:34:44 AM »
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Yes, I may sound like Trump, because in this particular case he is right.
Venezuela is in crisis.

There are dozens of countries around the world that are in crisis, some of them because of US foreign policy.

Name one with more than 1 million percent inflation.
Or name one that is selling the gold from their central bank.

And name one who got there because of US foreign policy.
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« Reply #391 on: April 04, 2019, 10:43:17 AM »
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But if you are serious that Bernie is your top pick, then LISTEN to what he said :

First of all, not everything Bernie says, is gospel truth (especially if it's not about the US crisis). Second, what Bernie does wrong here, is play right into the narrative the warmongers want to establish, just like Iraq and the WMDs. In itself there is nothing wrong with what he said, but he should make clear in the first place that the US should not engage in covert or overt regime change operations/wars, and that it's important that the sanctions are cancelled asap, and that Venezuela should be helped to cut its dependency on oil (also because of AGW).

If he got Venezuela wrong, why is Bernie your top pick for president of the US, Neven ?
Wouldn't Tulsi Gabbard be a better choice for you ?
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« Reply #392 on: April 04, 2019, 10:48:17 AM »
Even if you're not aware of it, you're a neoliberal/neocon warmonger who has absolute faith in the meritocracy because you identify with 'smart' people with an education (like you yourself are), and as soon as Sanders becomes a threat to neoliberalism, you will cut him loose and throw him under the bus, like the poor, black people of Venezuela. Because subconsciously, the reason you are so actively and zealously promoting the status quo, is that you want to protect your lifestyle.

OK, I guess. If you say so.
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« Reply #393 on: April 04, 2019, 12:13:13 PM »
Lurk's post of Eva Bartlett's piece above literally says : "I don't see a 'crisis' in Caracas".

Yes, and a certain David Viner once said that kids in the UK would never see snow again. He represents all scientists, and hence AGW is a hoax.

You go dig for one quote by one person, and then you smear a whole group. You engage in the same tactics as climate risk deniers.

And even then, she says 'Caracas', which isn't all of 'Venezuela'.

Name one with more than 1 million percent inflation.
Or name one that is selling the gold from their central bank.

And name one who got there because of US foreign policy.

No two countries are the same. I can name you one with more than 1 million dead people because of US foreign policy. I can name you another one that is completely devastated because of US meddling. And I'm sure that in the past there have been other countries in the past with more than 1 million percent of inflation, selling its gold, more or less enhanced by illegal sanctions.

The point is: The media doesn't make a fuss about those other countries, except when it's about regime change that serves US corporate interests. And you only care when the media tells you to.

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If he got Venezuela wrong, why is Bernie your top pick for president of the US, Neven ?
Wouldn't Tulsi Gabbard be a better choice for you ?

Bernie doesn't get Venezuela wrong (stop twisting words like a climate risk denier), he frames it the wrong way, playing into the hands of those who are trying to establish a narrative that manufactures consent, so they can go make money off of other people's misery. Bernie needs to frame it in a different way, by emphasizing that Trump/Pompeo/Bolton/Abrams/Rob Dekker need to stop meddling, that the illegal US sanctions need to be lifted asap, and that only then is there a need for open and fair elections (they aren't fair because of the sanctions) and a way forward where the US and Venezuela work together to decrease Venezuela's dependency on AGW-inducing oil.

What happened to 'resist Trump at every turn'? First you help him with Russiagate, now you help him with his corporate warmongering, so the neoliberal stooges can pump oil more efficiently and put the profits in their own pockets (hence no better than the corrupt system now in place). You're no better than a Putin puppet, Rob.

No, actually, you are better.
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« Reply #394 on: April 04, 2019, 08:46:58 PM »
China denies reports of troops in VZ:

 https://www.rt.com/news/455469-china-refutes-military-venezuela/

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« Reply #395 on: April 05, 2019, 07:25:16 AM »
Lurk's post of Eva Bartlett's piece above literally says : "I don't see a 'crisis' in Caracas".

Yes, and a certain David Viner once said that kids in the UK would never see snow again. He represents all scientists, and hence AGW is a hoax.

You go dig for one quote by one person, and then you smear a whole group. You engage in the same tactics as climate risk deniers.

And even then, she says 'Caracas', which isn't all of 'Venezuela'.

Thank you for comparing Eva Bartlett's piece to David Viner's statement.
Because both were wrong.

Let's take the second one I mentioned : Max Blumenthal.

Here is his piece :



"A lot of meat", "we have a lot of meat", "a whole isle". etc etc.

Same at Bartlett : My number 1) Deny that there is a crisis.
and here and there a hint of my number 2) If there is a crisis, it's caused by the US.

Seriously, Neven. You are betting on the wrong horse.

And you are giving "progressives" a really, really bad name.

And you are hurting Bernie too.

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Bernie needs to frame it in a different way, by emphasizing that Trump/Pompeo/Bolton/Abrams/Rob Dekker need to stop meddling, that the illegal US sanctions need to be lifted asap, and that only then is there a need for open and fair elections (they aren't fair because of the sanctions) and a way forward where the US and Venezuela work together to decrease Venezuela's dependency on AGW-inducing oil.

No matter what you want Bernie to do, let me assure you that he knows what he is doing.
He will NOT object against the sanctions, nor deny (as your "friends" do) the severity of the crisis in Venezuela. Heck even your other favorite : Tulsi Gabbard, does not even object against the sanctions either.

You understand why, right, Neven ?

I am simply promoting Bernie's position, and if you are serious about Bernie as a president, PLEASE stop supporting these extremists on the left, stop beating on me with ad hominem attacks, and stop denying the FACTS about Venezuela.

Face it : Venezuela is BROKE, Neven. And caused by their OWN policies.
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« Reply #396 on: April 05, 2019, 07:54:33 AM »
Lurk's post of Eva Bartlett's piece above literally says : "I don't see a 'crisis' in Caracas".

Yes, and a certain David Viner once said that kids in the UK would never see snow again. He represents all scientists, and hence AGW is a hoax.

You go dig for one quote by one person, and then you smear a whole group. You engage in the same tactics as climate risk deniers.

And even then, she says 'Caracas', which isn't all of 'Venezuela'.

Thank you for comparing Eva Bartlett's piece to David Viner's statement.
Because both were wrong.

Let's take the second one I mentioned : Max Blumenthal.

Here is his piece :



"A lot of meat", "we have a lot of meat", "a whole isle". etc etc.

Same at Bartlett : My number 1) Deny that there is a crisis.
and here and there a hint of my number 2) If there is a crisis, it's caused by the US.

Should I go on ? Because The Real News is guilty too.

Seriously, Neven. You are betting on the wrong horse.

And you are giving "progressives" a really, really bad name.

And you are hurting Bernie too.

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Bernie needs to frame it in a different way, by emphasizing that Trump/Pompeo/Bolton/Abrams/Rob Dekker need to stop meddling, that the illegal US sanctions need to be lifted asap, and that only then is there a need for open and fair elections (they aren't fair because of the sanctions) and a way forward where the US and Venezuela work together to decrease Venezuela's dependency on AGW-inducing oil.

No matter what you want Bernie to do, let me assure you that he knows what he is doing.
He will NOT object against the sanctions, nor deny (as your "friends" do) the severity of the crisis in Venezuela. Heck even your other favorite : Tulsi Gabbard, does not even object against the sanctions either.

You understand why, right, Neven ?

I am simply promoting Bernie's position, and if you are serious about Bernie as a president, PLEASE stop supporting these extremists on the left, stop beating on me with ad hominem attacks, and stop denying the FACTS about Venezuela.

Face it : Venezuela is BROKE, Neven. And caused by their OWN policies.
This is our planet. This is our time.
Let's not waste either.

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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« Reply #397 on: April 05, 2019, 09:17:36 AM »
Thank you for comparing Eva Bartlett's piece to David Viner's statement.
Because both were wrong.

Thank you for admitting that you then use that to smear whomever it is you want to smear, just like a climate risk denier.

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Let's take the second one I mentioned : Max Blumenthal.

Here is his piece :



"A lot of meat", "we have a lot of meat", "a whole isle". etc etc.

Same at Bartlett : My number 1) Deny that there is a crisis.
and here and there a hint of my number 2) If there is a crisis, it's caused by the US.

Ah, so mainstream media hasn't been exaggerating the crisis, implying that people are starving because there is no food?

And yes, if there's a crisis, it has certainly been made worse by the US, because it serves US corporate interests, and those interests want Venezuela's oil. And they want to destroy socialism because it isn't good for their bottom line (ie squeezing people out).

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Seriously, Neven. You are betting on the wrong horse.

I'm not betting on any horse. The point is: You are trying to force me to bet because you are a compulsive gambler yourself.

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And you are giving "progressives" a really, really bad name.

And you are hurting Bernie too.

You are concern trolling.

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No matter what you want Bernie to do, let me assure you that he knows what he is doing.

Yes, he probably knows that there are many people like you out there, and he needs your votes.

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He will NOT object against the sanctions, nor deny (as your "friends" do) the severity of the crisis in Venezuela. Heck even your other favorite : Tulsi Gabbard, does not even object against the sanctions either.

You understand why, right, Neven ?

Yes, because the USA is a sick country, a force for evil.

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Face it : Venezuela is BROKE, Neven. And caused by their OWN policies.

Yes, and the point is: Many countries are, but that gets zero attention. This gets so much attention because of oil and socialism. And you play right into it.

You remind me of this line of poetry:

While the worst
Are full of passionate intensity
Il faut comparer, comparer, comparer, et cultiver notre jardin

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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« Reply #398 on: April 05, 2019, 09:41:17 AM »
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He will NOT object against the sanctions, nor deny (as your "friends" do) the severity of the crisis in Venezuela. Heck even your other favorite : Tulsi Gabbard, does not even object against the sanctions either.

You understand why, right, Neven ?

Yes, because the USA is a sick country, a force for evil.

Ah. Of course.

Sorry, Neven, I tried to talk sense into you, with FACTS and all, but to no avail.

I'm going to leave you with your anger and hatred of the US now.

Have fun with it.
This is our planet. This is our time.
Let's not waste either.

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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« Reply #399 on: April 08, 2019, 04:27:57 AM »
Here's one of Venezuela's possible futures - becoming like Libya in the years form now. It depends.

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Pentagon orders troops to leave Libya which it helped destabilize, laments ‘security conditions’
Published time: 7 Apr, 2019

Washington, following Hillary Clinton's 'sage advice'  played a significant critical role in turning Libya from a rather stable nation into a chaotic free-for-all battle zone of death and destruction.

But now the Pentagon says it is too dangerous for American troops to stay on the ground. Poor buggers, they are not safe! OMG.

The US Africa Command announced Sunday that it was pulling out a small contingent, which was deployed in Libya a few years ago to assist airstrikes against forces loyal to the terrorist group Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS).

The move came in response to the latest escalation of violence in the country. “We will continue to monitor conditions on the ground and assess the feasibility for renewed US military presence, as appropriate,” said Nate Herring, an AFRICOM spokesman

IMHO for the safety of the whole world, the US Military presence must be constrained by Force within US Territory alone - like what happened to Japan from 1945, it needs a new Constitution that makes aggressive military action in other nations Unconstitutional and therefore Illegal by Law. :) 

At the moment there are two main competing governments in Libya, one recognized by the UN and based in the capital Tripoli and another one in the eastern city of Tobruk.

DOH~!!!

https://www.rt.com/news/455788-us-troops-leave-libya/

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There are two main competing forces in Libya at the moment: a rather defunct, UN-recognized government in the capital Tripoli and its allied militias, and a rival parliament in Tobruk, supported by Haftar’s forces, who control most of the country.

Their military commander ordered his troops to move on the capital in an “anti-terrorist” operation last week, forcing Tripoli to mobilize their own forces.

“We have made clear that we oppose the military offensive by Khalifa Haftar’s forces and urge the immediate halt to these military operations against the Libyan capital. Forces should return to status quo ante positions,” Pompeo’s statement read.

    US "deeply concerned about fighting near Tripoli," says @SecPompeo in a statement about the situation in #Libya. pic.twitter.com/b649KOFCTm
    — Steve Herman (@W7VOA) April 8, 2019

Libya remains a fractured land, with no centralized power, ever since the ‘humanitarian’ NATO intervention and airstrike campaign in 2011 decimated the country’s military and helped armed rebels assassinate strongman Muammar Gaddafi.

DOH~!!! Who could have known it would end up like this? 

Anyone with the intelligence level of a cockroach would have!

https://www.rt.com/news/455829-us-demands-haftar-halt-libya/

Far too many Americans, and especially those in powerful positions, are murderous warmongering psychos!

Those who support them and cheer for them are lower on life's scale than cockroaches.  ;D

Not too bad this overview by Jimmy



The choice is simple. Empire or Death?

But, in 2019, “a political solution is the only way to unify the country and provide a plan for security, stability, and prosperity for all Libyans,” the US State Department believes in all earnest, while urging all involved parties to urgently de-escalate the situation.

Pompeo’s plea comes as the Pentagon pulled its remaining small contingent out of Libya, saying it was too dangerous for American troops to stay on the ground.

Oh no, but that is not the way to go in Venezuela see, get the troops out of Libya and then redeploy them to destroying Venezuela instead - such is the "brilliance" of American lies and their insanities!
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