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« Reply #400 on: April 08, 2019, 04:35:53 AM »
Here's one of Venezuela's possible futures - becoming like Libya in the years form now. It depends.

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Pentagon orders troops to leave Libya which it helped destabilize, laments ‘security conditions’
Published time: 7 Apr, 2019

Washington, following Hillary Clinton's 'sage advice'  played a significant critical role in turning Libya from a rather stable nation into a chaotic free-for-all battle zone of death and destruction.

But now the Pentagon says it is too dangerous for American troops to stay on the ground. Poor buggers, they are not safe! OMG.

The US Africa Command announced Sunday that it was pulling out a small contingent, which was deployed in Libya a few years ago to assist airstrikes against forces loyal to the terrorist group Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS).

The move came in response to the latest escalation of violence in the country. “We will continue to monitor conditions on the ground and assess the feasibility for renewed US military presence, as appropriate,” said Nate Herring, an AFRICOM spokesman

IMHO for the safety of the whole world, the US Military presence must be constrained by Force within US Territory alone - like what happened to Japan from 1945, it needs a new Constitution that makes aggressive military action in other nations Unconstitutional and therefore Illegal by Law. :) 

At the moment there are two main competing governments in Libya, one recognized by the UN and based in the capital Tripoli and another one in the eastern city of Tobruk.

DOH~!!!

https://www.rt.com/news/455788-us-troops-leave-libya/

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There are two main competing forces in Libya at the moment: a rather defunct, UN-recognized government in the capital Tripoli and its allied militias, and a rival parliament in Tobruk, supported by Haftar’s forces, who control most of the country.

Their military commander ordered his troops to move on the capital in an “anti-terrorist” operation last week, forcing Tripoli to mobilize their own forces.

“We have made clear that we oppose the military offensive by Khalifa Haftar’s forces and urge the immediate halt to these military operations against the Libyan capital. Forces should return to status quo ante positions,” Pompeo’s statement read.

    US "deeply concerned about fighting near Tripoli," says @SecPompeo in a statement about the situation in #Libya. pic.twitter.com/b649KOFCTm
    — Steve Herman (@W7VOA) April 8, 2019

Libya remains a fractured land, with no centralized power, ever since the ‘humanitarian’ NATO intervention and airstrike campaign in 2011 decimated the country’s military and helped armed rebels assassinate strongman Muammar Gaddafi.

DOH~!!! Who could have known it would end up like this? 

Anyone with the intelligence level of a cockroach would have!

https://www.rt.com/news/455829-us-demands-haftar-halt-libya/

Far too many Americans, and especially those in powerful positions, are murderous warmongering psychos!

Those who support them and cheer for them are lower on life's scale than cockroaches.  ;D

Not too bad this overview by Jimmy



The choice is simple. The Empire dies or more and more Death?

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But, in 2019, “a political solution is the only way to unify the country and provide a plan for security, stability, and prosperity for all Libyans,” the US State Department believes in all earnest, while urging all involved parties to urgently de-escalate the situation.

Pompeo’s plea comes as the Pentagon pulled its remaining small contingent out of Libya, saying it was too dangerous for American troops to stay on the ground.

Oh no, but that is not the way to go in Venezuela see, get the troops out of Libya and then redeploy them to destroying Venezuela instead - such is the "brilliance" of American lies and their insanities!

Millions choose death! Rob is definitely towards the front of the line there. :D

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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« Reply #401 on: April 08, 2019, 05:46:24 AM »
Would repeating some refs help? (not likely, but anyway)

the NYTs op-ed propaganda element, did not disclose the relationships of one Joanna Hausmann, who is the daughter of Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank ...

Hausmann is a strongly biased IMF/Neoliberal 'think tank' operative with multiple degrees - you know the chigago economists who first used their skills when General Pinochet toppled the democratically elected government in Chile in 1975. (anything seem familiar? )

Director of the Center for International Development at Harvard University and a professor of economics at the Harvard Kennedy School. He has recently been appointed as Governor of Venezuela at the Inter-American Development Bank by Interim President Juan Guaidó.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/ricardo-hausmann-asks-why-growth-rates-are-converging-among-some-countries-and-diverging-among-others?barrier=accesspaylog

So Hausmann is a whilte jewish "venezuelan" who used to be a Minister in the extreme right wing Government that was toppled at the polls by Chafez
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Hausmann

When the "ruling junta" of ~200 white venezuelan wealthy families who had ruled the country for over 200 years was democratically voted out of office in 1998, the Hausmann family packed up and went to America to live permanently.   

The Hugo Chávez presidency

By the 1998 elections more than half the Venezuelan populace was below the poverty line, while annual inflation exceeded 30 percent and oil prices were in steep decline. The voters rejected the traditional political parties of Democratic Action and COPEI and elected Chávez as president.

At the same time, his coalition became the largest voting bloc in the legislature.

Chávez’s political platform promised to rid the country of corruption, help the poor, and reduce the power of elites.

The Elites, the Corrupt, the manipulative greedy power abusing Wealthy, were the ruling class just like the Ricardo Hausmann Family. "Govt. Policy" doesn't arise in a vacuum. :)

Chavez pledged to write a new constitution and remake Venezuelan democracy. In mid-1999 Venezuelans elected a constituent assembly dominated by pro-Chávez delegates, and voters soon approved a new constitution by referendum.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Venezuela/The-Hugo-Chavez-presidency

How to End Venezuela's Nightmare by Ricardo Hausmann - Project ...
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/ending-the-venezuelan-nightmare-by-ricardo-hausmann-2018-12

3 Dec 2018 ... Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank .....
Venezuela’s problems will not be solved without regime change. And that could – and should – happen after January 10, when the international community will no longer recognize the legitimacy of Nicolás Maduro's presidency.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/ending-the-venezuelan-nightmare-by-ricardo-hausmann-2018-12

The walnut doesn't fall far from the tree. Or is that getting way too personal?

When the Hausmanns are publicly backing in the Regime Change policies and actions of President Donald Trump, John Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams and Juan Qaido's elitist wealthy white race minority in Venezuela. :D


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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« Reply #403 on: April 08, 2019, 06:09:26 AM »
from the jimmy dore video above @ 23:45 mins

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... by the way, I think if you want to know
the truth about Venezuela I go right to
a food writer yeah. Boy uh white Hispanic
from the Miami area who's Pro-Regime
change in South America. What a fuckin'
shocker.

The complete denial of America's long
history of overthrowing countries that
won't give us their natural resources is
just funny to me.

And they keep contradicting themselves
and then this "dad" playing the sexism
card  - it's so great yeah. Anytime you
you call out the ruling class for who they
really are,
the war mongers, the only
thing they have left is the Hail Mary pass
of 'Identity Politics' hoping that there's
some sort of groundswell of #MeToo
jumps on you or whatever, even though
it was a woman that was  calling out his
daughter
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« Reply #404 on: April 08, 2019, 08:51:19 AM »
Here's one of Venezuela's possible futures - becoming like Libya in the years form now. It depends.

Yes, it does.

If Maduro will start shooting and killing protesters, just like Gaddafi did, then yeah. NATO will quite quickly kick in and Venezuela will turn into another Libya.

I still hope that Maduro will have a sense of rationale and will realize that it's time to go, and he will step down voluntarily for UN-supervised elections to be conducted.



Thousands of demonstrators protest against Maduro in Caracas on Saturday, April 8.
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« Reply #405 on: April 08, 2019, 09:02:25 AM »
There's no room for racism or classism in these matters that can lead to a good outcome. Peace must be born of Justice. Justice can only come by true Fraternity, in a broad sense of Brotherhood. Where my country is the world; and my fellow citizens are all humankind.

Enlightened souls have long been calling to remove the causes of War; all selfish seeking; all aggression by any nation upon the rights of others must cease. Peace can only come from the growth of wisdom, by enlightenment in the foundation principles of justice, love and truth.

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« Reply #406 on: April 08, 2019, 09:05:05 AM »
Here's one of Venezuela's possible futures - becoming like Libya in the years form now. It depends.

Yes, it does.

If Maduro will start shooting and killing protesters, just like Gaddafi did, then yeah. NATO will quite quickly kick in and Venezuela will turn into another Libya.

I still hope that Maduro will have a sense of rationale and will realize that it's time to go, and he will step down voluntarily for UN-supervised elections to be conducted.



Tens of thousands of demonstrators protest against Maduro in Caracas this weekend.





A change is gonna come !
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« Reply #407 on: April 08, 2019, 09:30:34 AM »
“Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage. Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere Aude! 'Have courage to use your own reason!'- that is the motto of enlightenment.”

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« Reply #408 on: April 08, 2019, 10:32:23 AM »
Here's one of Venezuela's possible futures - becoming like Libya in the years form now. It depends.

Yes, it does.

If Maduro will start shooting and killing protesters, just like Gaddafi did, then yeah. NATO will quite quickly kick in and Venezuela will turn into another Libya.

I still hope that Maduro will have a sense of rationale and will realize that it's time to go, and he will step down voluntarily for UN-supervised elections to be conducted.



Tens of thousands of demonstrators protest against Maduro in Caracas this weekend.



and more ...



A change is gonna come !
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« Reply #409 on: April 08, 2019, 01:40:13 PM »
A regime change is gonna come !

Fixed that for you.

I watched an interesting interview yesterday with someone who has spent many years in Venezuela and knows the country and its (poor) people well. This is part 2, which I found more interesting (quotes below):



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Charlie Hardy: At the same time, you don't, I don't see the demonstrations that much in favour of the government and there are massive demonstrations Maduro.
Greg Wilpert: As a matter of fact, they've been happening every Saturday, apparently. And we'll show some images of that.

Images that Rob Dekker won't show because they aren't reported by mainstream warmongering media, and thus aren't FACTS.

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Charlie Hardy: I saw more people on the streets of Chicago a few weeks ago, begging, in three minutes than I saw in the two months I was in Caracas. I heard someone on Fox News, Trish Regan, saying 'millions are starving' in Venezuela. You know, when I think of someone starving, I'm thinking of people in Africa or somewhere else, skin and bones on a bed, waiting to die. And I'm ready to say there's no one starving in Venezuela. I just cannot believe there is anyone starving. But it is a tough situation.

More poor people in the US than people in Venezuela, more beggars, more prisoners, more surveillance, more election fraud, but the mainstream warmongering media says that 'millions are starving in Venezuela because of a dictator', and so that's a FACT and regime change is gonna come!

Charlie Hardy then goes on to explain that this isn't just about oil and destroying socialism (the big threat to neoliberalism), but also about coltan. Apparently, there is 100 billion worth of coltan under Venezuela's soil. A privatisation is gonna come!

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Charlie Hardy: I think there's a book by Andrew McCabe, where president Trump says: The country we should go to war with, is Venezuela, they have oil.

Someone from the intelligence community has said this, and so it's a FACT, because all intelligence people are heroes and freedom fighters.

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Charlie Hardy: There is a quotation by president Trump that I like a lot. I have it written down, December 7th 2016, president-elect Donald Trump says in Fayetteville, North Carolina: 'We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about. This destructive cycle of interventions and chaos must finally come to an end.' Oh, that gave me so much hope. I mean, it's so.. 'destructive cycle of interventions and chaos must finally come to an end'. That was after he was elected.
Greg Wilpert: I think the operative phrase there is probably 'countries we know nothing about'. In the meantime, he found out about the oil, and about the coltan and all the other opportunities to make money. Of course, using as a pretext... I mean, the hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

There you have it, this is something that you can slap Trump around the ears with. 'Remember how Trump said he wasn't going to meddle and topple any longer? Well, here he is, pushing for regime change in Venezuela for oil and other resources.' Maybe someone like Bernie has said something like this along these lines. I don't know, Rob only posts FACTS.

It's a perfect way to resist Trump, but Rob prefers to help Trump, especially when it comes to violence. Bernie or anybody else, instead of playing into that narrative that pushes to manufacture consent for crippling illegal sanctions or military intervention, they must fight that narrative tooth and nail, and hang it around Trump's neck. They must call for an end to the sanctions and full cooperation with Venezuela to help it wean itself off of its dependence on oil (because that oil needs to stay in the ground and not be pumped out more efficiently by neoliberal privatisation that Rob is pushing for!). That's the way to effectively resist Trump.

The way Rob likes to see it, is the exact wrong way to go about it. But that's because Rob is told what to think by mainstream warmongering media.

The last 6-7 minutes is about the propaganda that is spewed out by mainstream warmongering media (army turning against Maduro, burning trucks, etc). Sorry, I meant FACTS, of course.
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« Reply #410 on: April 09, 2019, 07:02:09 AM »
A regime change is gonna come !

Fixed that for you.

I hope so. The Venezuelan people deserve a restoration of Democracy and freedom.

Tell me, Neven : If Maduro still is as popular as you pretend him to be, why doesn't he allow free, UN supervised elections, just like what Bernie is asking for ?

It's not like they are not asking for it :

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« Reply #411 on: April 09, 2019, 07:17:48 AM »
Images that Rob Dekker won't show because they aren't reported by mainstream warmongering media, and thus aren't FACTS.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Do you actually believe that MSM does not report pro-Maduro rallies ?
And that they don't report these rallies because they are "war-mongering" ?
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« Reply #412 on: April 09, 2019, 07:46:19 AM »
I watched an interesting interview yesterday with someone who has spent many years in Venezuela and knows the country and its (poor) people well. This is part 2, which I found more interesting (quotes below):

OK. Here is an American guy who loves Chavez and cried when the man died.
He wrote a book about him.
Fine.

But PLEASE take anything this guy says about Venezuela with a grain of salt.

For example, at 2:00 he states that he believes that "nobody is starving in Venezuela".

OK. Do you believe him ?

Or do you believe that Venezuelan woman who now lives on $2/day in Columbia but won't go back to Venezuela because at least in Columbia her kids can eat :



Who to believe ?
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« Reply #413 on: April 09, 2019, 09:24:11 AM »
A regime change is gonna come !

Fixed that for you.

I hope so. The Venezuelan people deserve a restoration of Democracy and freedom.

Tell me, Neven : If Maduro still is as popular as you pretend him to be, why doesn't he allow free, UN supervised elections, just like what Bernie is asking for ?

It's not like they are not asking for it :


Looks a bit like Occupy Wall Street, doesn't it? Or the Gilets Jaunes. Any regime change in the US or France after that?
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« Reply #414 on: April 09, 2019, 09:25:59 AM »
Images that Rob Dekker won't show because they aren't reported by mainstream warmongering media, and thus aren't FACTS.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Do you actually believe that MSM does not report pro-Maduro rallies ?
And that they don't report these rallies because they are "war-mongering" ?

Yes. They are pushing the narrative to convince people like you (that are easily convinced) that it's time for yet another regime change, after all the other successful ones.
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« Reply #415 on: April 09, 2019, 09:29:28 AM »
Who to believe ?

Apparently, you have decided to believe Fox News saying that millions are starving in Venezuela.

And thanks for ignoring my other points, like you always do. Want me to post videos of poverty and starving people in the US? Or anywhere else around the world for that matter, that you don't care about in your nice little, neoliberal, meritocratic, privileged bubble.

When can we expect you to call for regime change in Iran? You're a bit late to the party. Here, let me blow the dog whistle for you: Dictator in Iran!
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« Reply #416 on: April 09, 2019, 09:42:55 AM »
Who to believe ?

Apparently, you have decided to believe Fox News saying that millions are starving in Venezuela.

Actually it was TRT who did that report.
That's a Turkish news agency.
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« Reply #417 on: April 09, 2019, 09:47:30 AM »
Images that Rob Dekker won't show because they aren't reported by mainstream warmongering media, and thus aren't FACTS.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Do you actually believe that MSM does not report pro-Maduro rallies ?
And that they don't report these rallies because they are "war-mongering" ?

Yes. They are pushing the narrative to convince people like you (that are easily convinced) that it's time for yet another regime change, after all the other successful ones.

Is that YES to the first question, or the second ? Or both ?
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« Reply #418 on: April 09, 2019, 10:09:38 AM »
A regime change is gonna come !

Fixed that for you.

I hope so. The Venezuelan people deserve a restoration of Democracy and freedom.

Tell me, Neven : If Maduro still is as popular as you pretend him to be, why doesn't he allow free, UN supervised elections, just like what Bernie is asking for ?

It's not like they are not asking for it :


Looks a bit like Occupy Wall Street, doesn't it? Or the Gilets Jaunes. Any regime change in the US or France after that?

Does it ?

Please post a similar picture from the US or France.

And then please explain why you support the Venezuelan government, but not the US or France.
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« Reply #419 on: April 09, 2019, 11:38:30 AM »
Actually it was TRT who did that report.
That's a Turkish news agency.

So, is TRT saying that millions are starving in Venezuela, and do you automatically believe that?

Is that YES to the first question, or the second ? Or both ?

Yes to both. I know, I know, now you are going to find one article or news report by a mainstream media outlet that acknowledges that there are pro-Maduro rallies as well (bam, FACT, eat that, Neven). But go ahead, and compare how much attention pro-Maduro rallies get in mainstream media vs pro-Guaido rallies.

For instance, here's a CNN article from March 11th mentioning that there are rallies both pro the one and the other, but no specifics, and almost the tnire article is about Guaido and ends with this:

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Pompeo posted a photo of Guaido's rally with the caption: "The people of #Venezuela have again responded to @jguaido's call to take to the streets in support of freedom and democracy.

Amazing... That sounds just like this from Rob Dekker: The Venezuelan people deserve a restoration of Democracy and freedom.

And then please explain why you support the Venezuelan government, but not the US or France.

I do not support the Venezuelan government per se. I'm against Trump and neoliberalism. Unlike you.

I await your analysis of mainstream media coverage with bated breath.
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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« Reply #420 on: April 09, 2019, 12:51:31 PM »
The Venezuelan people deserve a restoration of Democracy and freedom.

But why do they "deserve" that Rob?

It's their nation and they fucked it (apparently the US and the rest of the world had nothing to do with that), so surely they deserve a fucked up , impoverished country with no democracy, a violent fascist military junta, and an unelected president like they have in Qaido.

They've had multiple elections, UN supervised and not UN supervised and look what that got them - Chavez, a new really DEMOCRATIC Constitution, poverty cut in half, proper medical care for the poor, but the rich hated it. So now all there is is chaos and humanitarian crisis that looks like a rich persons banquet next to Yemen.

They got what they deserved, and more is coming their way!

Ms Hausmann might even return "home" with her Papa real soon to give free comedy routines to cheer them all up and maybe even raise money for charity there to help them buy their "freedom"?

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« Reply #421 on: April 09, 2019, 01:02:15 PM »
If you want free and fair elections, you first need to lift the sanctions. Because now, what you are effectively saying, is: Vote for neoliberal stooge, or we will tighten the sanctions. How is that for election manipulation?

Never mind all the social media manipulations that are most probably going on behind the scenes. If Russia and Cambridge Analytica can do it, so can the people who invented it (NSA, CIA, etc).

Speaking of social media manipulation, I checked who posted that Joanna Hausmann video in this thread. That person must feel pretty stupid now, and if not, it's more than a feeling.
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« Reply #422 on: April 09, 2019, 01:41:40 PM »
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Tell me, Neven : If Maduro still is as popular as you pretend him to be, why doesn't he allow free, UN supervised elections, just like what Bernie is asking for ?

HOw quickly Dilbert forgets that it was the OPPOSITION who demanded the UN not come and supervise the last free democratic elections, which they chose to Boycott.

If the Opposition was so SURE they were popular and good for the nation then why did they NOT run a proper Presidential Campaing and help get the UN ot supervise the process and alert the world if they were being corrupted?

I'll tell you, because Uncle Sam said don't worry about it, you will never win a free and fair elections there, so we need to bide our time. Once the sanctions impacts kick in then the OPPOSITION can put up an alternative President and when he gets POWER, suspends the Constitution because of the crisis there, then the next "elections" will be in the bag.

Of course Maduro barely won that last election .. so much for shooting yourself in the foot!!! Dumb and dumber that is. 

Unfortunately not only do Americans have pathetic memories about Free fair UN supervised elections regarding Venezuela - many are also quite dumb - so much in fact they think other people are just as dumb as they are. ;)

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« Reply #423 on: April 09, 2019, 01:43:07 PM »
PS in the bigger scheme of things, life on earth and all that, Venezuela does not even rate a mention these days in any of the worlds media. It's a page 10 story if that.


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« Reply #424 on: April 09, 2019, 01:53:29 PM »
 Bolsonaro says Brazil & US focus on creating ‘rift’ within Venezuelan army to oust Maduro
Published time: 9 Apr, 2019

“It is our intention and that of the Americans that there is a rift in the army, because it is they who still support Maduro. It is the armed forces that decide whether a country lives in a democracy or in a dictatorship,” Bolsonaro said, adding that he does not see any future for Venezuela in its present state.

“What you cannot do is to continue as you are,” he said.

In an interview on Monday, Bolsonaro appeared to say that he might single-handedly decide if Brazil needs to join a potential US-led military incursion against the Maduro government.

“What can Brazil do? Suppose there is a military invasion there [from the United States]. The decision will be mine, but I will listen to the National Defense Council and then the Parliament,” Bolsonaro pledged.

https://www.rt.com/news/455932-brazil-venezuela-rift-military/

What happened to all those free and fair democratic UN supervised elections then?

ROFL, oh they meant a Military Coup .. in sth amercia that is what free and fair democratic elections look like. Rob will be there handing out the How to Vote Cards while the Militias hold guns to the Voters heads.

Yay for Rob! :)

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« Reply #425 on: April 10, 2019, 09:13:06 AM »
It looks like many of our conversations diverge rather than converge to common understanding.
That's why it's hard to respond to every issue raised.

So let me respond only to what I feel are some core issues.

Actually it was TRT who did that report.
That's a Turkish news agency.

So, is TRT saying that millions are starving in Venezuela, and do you automatically believe that?

What I was referring to was that guy on The Real News who claimed that "NOBODY in Venezuela is starving".

TRT did a report on that and proved this guy wrong.

The 'millions' were added by you, when you mentioned that Fox News said that.
Fox News often makes shit up, but please post a link if you make a statement like that, since then we can check where they got the number from. And if they don't provide a source, we can prove that they make shit up.

That's how evidence-based reasoning works.
So please show a link to that Fox News article where they told you that millions were starving.

Furthermore, I showed earlier that the Bartlett report inadvertently suggests that minimum wage in Venezuela buys you two hot-dogs per month.

That's starvation level income.

I don't know how many people make minimum wage in Venezuela, but I would not be surprised if there are millions of them.

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Is that YES to the first question, or the second ? Or both ?

Yes to both. I know, I know, now you are going to find one article or news report by a mainstream media outlet that acknowledges that there are pro-Maduro rallies as well (bam, FACT, eat that, Neven). But go ahead, and compare how much attention pro-Maduro rallies get in mainstream media vs pro-Guaido rallies.

For instance, here's a CNN article from March 11th mentioning that there are rallies both pro the one and the other, but no specifics, and almost the tnire article is about Guaido and ends with this:

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Pompeo posted a photo of Guaido's rally with the caption: "The people of #Venezuela have again responded to @jguaido's call to take to the streets in support of freedom and democracy.


That CNN article is very well balanced.

Not only are the sections balanced, and they give relevant statements by all the relevant people,
they even posted BOTH a picture of Maduro at a pro-Maduro rally as well as a picture of Guaido at a pro-opposition rally.

That's the best example of "war mongering mainstream media" who are ignoring the pro-Maduro rallies you could come up with ?
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« Reply #426 on: April 10, 2019, 09:37:18 AM »
It looks like many of our conversations diverge rather than converge to common understanding.
That's why it's hard to respond to every issue raised.

So let me respond only to what I feel are some core issues.

<snip, those are not the core issues, those are examples of the propaganda used to further the war and oil machine's agenda; N.>

I spent considerable time on my response to your position.
And I responded to YOUR posts. And I talked about evidence-based reasoning.
So how can that be 'propaganda' ?

Why do you censor my posts, especially the good ones ?
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« Reply #427 on: April 10, 2019, 10:29:16 AM »
The core issues are:

1) There's an excessive focus on Venezuela because of resources and because 'socialism' needs to be annihilated.
2) Trump isn't resisted, he is helped. The biggest mistake that can be made, is acknowledge the narrative that is used to manufacture consent for chaos around the world that is highly profitable to a small group. That narrative needs to be fought tooth and nail.
3) If you want free and fair elections, you need to protest the crippling sanctions (if you're not already protesting them out of moral convictions). Venezuela is in trouble because, although oil profits have been used for social policies that have massively improved the lives of its population over the past two decades, they have failed at cutting their dependence on oil. They need to be helped with that, also for the sake of AGW.

These are the core issues.
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« Reply #428 on: April 10, 2019, 10:52:26 AM »
<snip, not interested in games; N.>

Not to mention Venezuela is THE OPPOSITE of socialism.

It's a dictatorship where a few privileged (especially the military) around the dictator take all the benefits, and the rest of the country is screwed.

Neven,  on this CORE issue, can you PLEASE understand that by stating that Venezuela has 'socialism' you are actively helping Trump and are actively working AGAINST Bernie Sanders ?
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« Reply #429 on: April 10, 2019, 11:16:02 AM »
The core issues are:
..
2) Trump isn't resisted, he is helped. The biggest mistake that can be made, is acknowledge the narrative that is used to manufacture consent for chaos around the world that is highly profitable to a small group. That narrative needs to be fought tooth and nail.

Yes, Trump is helped by stating that Venezuela is 'socialist'.

Venezuela is a failed state. Hyperinflation, economy in the tank, people starving, 3 million refugees, etc etc. And it will get worse now that the US decided to stop buying their oil.

ANY attempt to deny the immense crisis, or to state that Venezuela is a 'socialist' country is another handout to Trump.
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« Reply #430 on: April 10, 2019, 11:29:33 AM »
The core issues are:
..
3) If you want free and fair elections, you need to protest the crippling sanctions (if you're not already protesting them out of moral convictions). Venezuela is in trouble because, although oil profits have been used for social policies that have massively improved the lives of its population over the past two decades, they have failed at cutting their dependence on oil. They need to be helped with that, also for the sake of AGW.

Yes, Chavez' policies have significantly improved life for the poor in Venezuela.

The problem is that he spend it all.

He did not invest in the oil industry, and he did not save anything for a rainy day, like Norway did. In fact, he even borrowed money (from Russia and China mostly) to finance his policies, even while the price of oil went up.

So, then when Maduro came along, and the price of oil declined, the country dipped into deep debt and never recovered.

None of this has anything to do with the US, who was just buying Venezuelan oil until Jan 2019.

So now the US stopped buying Venezuelan oil.

That's it.

That's the "crippling" sanctions that Neven says we need to be "protesting them out of moral convictions" as a pre-condition before "free and fair elections" are even allowed.
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« Reply #431 on: April 10, 2019, 11:52:31 AM »
And besides all that there is the corruption :



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« Reply #432 on: April 10, 2019, 03:14:56 PM »
In the news these days are several countries in crisis. When will Donald Trump, Rob Dekker and co be bringing these people the Freedom and Democracy they deserve?

Sudan
Tunisia
Haiti
Ukraine
Israel
Syria
Yemen
Gabon
Afghanistan
Kashmir (east and west)
North Korea
Mozambique
Diego Garcia (people of)
Algeria
Libya
Morocco
Brazil
Ecuador
Columbia
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Guyana
Guatemala
Honduras
New Guinea
Zimbabwe
Somalia
South Sudan
Egypt
Central African Republic
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Chad
Guinea
Nigeria
and Palestine too!

or even Saudi Arabia?

Don't they deserve some freedom from tyranny and democracy too? :D

Gosh many of those countries even have extremely violent Islamists like ISIS Al Queda Terrorists running the place. 

Check out the better places 155-178 and maybe reconsider how "good" you got it. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index

oh yes, Venezuela is on a par with the Philippines ... so when will the US Empire's Regime Change and liberation invasion for Democracy be happening in Manilla?

Soon I hope!!! 
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In the news these days are several countries in crisis. When will Donald Trump, Rob Dekker and co be bringing these people the Freedom and Democracy they deserve?

Sudan
Tunisia
Haiti
Ukraine
Israel
Syria
Yemen
Gabon
Afghanistan
Kashmir (east and west)
North Korea
Mozambique
Diego Garcia (people of)
Algeria
Libya
Morocco
Brazil
Ecuador
Columbia
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Guyana
Guatemala
Honduras
New Guinea
Zimbabwe
Somalia
South Sudan
Egypt
Central African Republic
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Chad
Guinea
Nigeria
and Palestine too!

or even Saudi Arabia?

Don't they deserve some freedom from tyranny and democracy too? :D

Gosh many of those countries even have extremely violent Islamists like ISIS Al Queda Terrorists running the place. 

Check out the better places 155-178 and maybe reconsider how "good" you got it. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index

oh yes, Venezuela is on a par with the Philippines ... so when will the US Empire's Regime Change and liberation invasion for Democracy be happening in Manilla?

Soon I hope!!! 

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« Reply #434 on: April 10, 2019, 03:48:34 PM »
That's the "crippling" sanctions that Neven says we need to be "protesting them out of moral convictions" as a pre-condition before "free and fair elections" are even allowed.

Yes, and it makes perfect sense. I can't help it that your brain starts to malfunction as soon as you hear the 'dictator' dog whistle.

Rob, if the next step in your strategy is to fight Trump by saying Chavismo isn't socialist, you are going to be totally destroyed by Trump and Fox et al. I know you are a perfect reflection of mainstream, establishment, neoliberal thinking, but I sincerely hope this is your own idea and not something that Democrats are going to try, let alone Sanders.
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« Reply #435 on: April 10, 2019, 04:25:46 PM »
snipped

None of this has anything to do with the US, who was just buying Venezuelan oil until Jan 2019.

So now the US stopped buying Venezuelan oil.

That's it.

That's the "crippling" sanctions
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Did Rob really just say that? I think he did.

Awe, maybe he's only joking, trying to be funny and light-hearted about it all. ;)

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« Reply #436 on: April 10, 2019, 09:18:52 PM »
Re: Sanctions on VZ

fas has a writeup:

"Since 2006, U.S. officials have expressed concerns about Venezuela’s lack of cooperation on anti-terrorism efforts. Since then, the Secretary of State has made an annual determination that Venezuela is not “cooperating fully with United States anti-terrorism efforts”  the United States has prohibited all U.S. commercial arms sales and retransfers to Venezuela since 2006."

Now that's funny. World's foremost terrorist accuses Venezuela of terrorism.

"In 2008, the Treasury Department imposed sanctions (asset freezing and prohibitions on transactions) on two individuals and two travel agencies in Venezuela for providing financial support to the radical Lebanon-based Islamic Shiite group Hezbollah."

"Since then, the President has made an annual determination, pursuant to procedures set forth in the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, FY2003 (P.L. 107-228, §706; 22 U.S.C. 2291j), that Venezuela has failed demonstrably to adhere to its obligations under international narcotics agreements. President Trump made the most recent determination for FY2019 in September 2018, but also waived foreign aid restrictions for programs to support democracy promotion."

Great. We ought to see Sackler in jail soon ?

"economic sanctions on at least 22 individuals with connections to Venezuela and 27 companies by designating them as Specially Designated Narcotics Traffickers"

". Tier 3 countries are those whose governments do not fully comply with the minimum standards of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act ... they are subject to a variety of U.S. aid restrictions, which may be waived by the President for national interest reasons."

Minimum standards apparently allow rendition and Guantanamo.

" Congress enacted the Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014... the law requires the President to impose sanctions (asset blocking and visa restrictions) against those whom the President determines are responsible for significant acts of violence or serious human rights abuses associated with February 2014 protest"

"In March 2015, President Obama issued E.O. 13692 ... targets (for asset blocking and visa restrictions) those
involved in actions or policies undermining democratic processes or institutions; those involved in acts of violence or conduct constituting a serious human rights abuse; those taking actions that prohibit, limit, or penalize the exercise of freedom of expression or peaceful assembly; public corruption by senior Venezuelan officials; and any person determined to be a current or former leader of any entity engaged in any activity described above or a current or former official of the government of Venezuela."

"the Treasury Department has imposed financial sanctions on 80 Venezuelans pursuant to E.O. 13692."

"On January 8, 2019, pursuant to E.O. 13850, the Trump Administration sanctioned 7 individuals and 23 companies for involvement in a corruption scheme involving Venezuela’s currency exchange practices"

"On January 28, 2019, pursuant to E.O. 13850, the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated PdVSA as operating in the oil sector of the Venezuelan economy and Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin determined that the company was subject to U.S. sanctions. As a result, all property and interests in property of PdVSA subject to U.S. jurisdiction are blocked, and U.S. persons generally are prohibited from engaging in transactions with the company."

"In August 2017, President Trump issued E.O. 13808, which prohibits access to the U.S. ... prohibits access to US financial markets by the Venezuelan government, including PdVSA ... "

"In March 2018, President Trump issued E.O. 13827, which prohibits transactions involving the Venezuelan government’s issuance and use of digital currency, digital coin, or digital token."

"In May 2018, President Trump issued E.O. 13835, which prohibits transactions related to the purchase of Venezuelan debt, including accounts receivable, and to any debt owed to Venezuela pledged as collateral."

Read all about it:

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf

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« Reply #437 on: April 11, 2019, 04:52:59 AM »
OK, we are not getting anywhere with this discussion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, Neven, so please let it go through.

Best of luck pissing on the MSM and the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?


To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil.

You need to STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, and LISTEN to Venezuelans :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria and wants to help.

And Maduro (and you with your hatred of the MSM and the US) are in the way of helping Venezuela.
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« Reply #438 on: April 11, 2019, 07:23:32 AM »
OK, we are not getting anywhere with this discussion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, Neven, so please let it go through.

Best of luck pissing on the MSM and the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?

To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil. It's because Venezuela is fucked up.

Please STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP denying the crisis, and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, and LISTEN to Venezuelans :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria .

And with your hatred of the MSM and the US you are in the way of helping Venezuela.
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« Reply #439 on: April 11, 2019, 08:25:50 AM »
I sure I have posted that doc before in this in thread, part of the "educational" "history" posts

Re: Sanctions on VZ


No, no, no, no, no! They, CRS of Congress, have it all wrong.

Rob Dekker has it right.

No sanctions until the US stopped buying Venezuelan Oil in January 2019.

sheesh, like how dumb are those know-nothing dweebs! 
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Targeted Sanctions Related to Antidemocratic Actions, Human Rights Violations, and Corruption

In response to increasing repression in Venezuela, Congress enacted theVenezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014(P.L. 113-278;50 U.S.C. 1701note)in December 2014.

Among its provisions, the law requires the President to impose sanctions (asset blocking and visa restrictions) against those whom the President determines are responsible for significant acts of violence or serious human rights abuses associated with February 2014 protests or, more broadly, against anyone who has directed or ordered the arrest or prosecution of a person primarily because of the person’s legitimate exercise of freedom of expression or assembly.

In 2016, Congress extended the 2014 act through 2019 in P.L. 114-194.

In March 2015, President Obama issued E.O. 13692 to implement P.L. 113-278, and the Treasury Department issued regulations in July 2015 (31C.F.R. Part 591).

The E.O.targets (for asset blocking and visa restrictions)those involved in actions or policies undermining democratic processes or institutions; those involved in acts of violence or conduct constituting a serious human rights abuse; those taking actions that prohibit, limit, or penalize the exercise of freedom of expression or peaceful assembly; public corruption by senior Venezuelan officials; and any person determined to be a current or former leader of any entity engaged in any activity described above or a current or former official of the government of Venezuela.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf


All meaning - be they guilty or not!

Roberto Haussmann would fit the Bill easily! He's a former official of the Government of Venezuela at time of a lot of corruption and restrictions on people's basic human rights to "protest" or run in elections etc etc

All the while the USA under Bush, Obama and Trump kept on buying Venezuelan Oil like there was no tomorrow! That's how "bad of the bad" Venezuela was and is!

They didn't even close the CIA Station or the Safe houses, oops sorry I meant the US Embassy. :)
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« Reply #440 on: April 11, 2019, 08:43:27 AM »
I am sure I have posted that doc before in this in thread, part of the "educational" "history" posts. Which why I so question Rob's weird behaviour and commentary. And his reading research abilities. Anyway a timely reminder having this historical summary posted again. .

Re: Sanctions on VZ


No, no, no, no, no! They, CRS of Congress, have it all wrong.

Rob Dekker has it right.

No sanctions until the US stopped buying Venezuelan Oil in January 2019.

sheesh, like how dumb are those know-nothing dweebs! 
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Targeted Sanctions Related to Antidemocratic Actions, Human Rights Violations, and Corruption

In response to increasing repression in Venezuela, Congress enacted theVenezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014(P.L. 113-278;50 U.S.C. 1701note)in December 2014.

Among its provisions, the law requires the President to impose sanctions (asset blocking and visa restrictions) against those whom the President determines are responsible for significant acts of violence or serious human rights abuses associated with February 2014 protests or, more broadly, against anyone who has directed or ordered the arrest or prosecution of a person primarily because of the person’s legitimate exercise of freedom of expression or assembly.

In 2016, Congress extended the 2014 act through 2019 in P.L. 114-194.

In March 2015, President Obama issued E.O. 13692 to implement P.L. 113-278, and the Treasury Department issued regulations in July 2015 (31C.F.R. Part 591).

The E.O.targets (for asset blocking and visa restrictions)those involved in actions or policies undermining democratic processes or institutions; those involved in acts of violence or conduct constituting a serious human rights abuse; those taking actions that prohibit, limit, or penalize the exercise of freedom of expression or peaceful assembly; public corruption by senior Venezuelan officials; and any person determined to be a current or former leader of any entity engaged in any activity described above or a current or former official of the government of Venezuela.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf


All meaning - be they guilty or not!

Roberto Haussmann would fit the Bill easily! He's a former official of the Government of Venezuela at time of a lot of corruption and restrictions on people's basic human rights to "protest" or run in elections etc etc

All the while the USA under Bush, Obama and Trump kept on buying Venezuelan Oil like there was no tomorrow! That's how "bad of the bad" Venezuela was and is!

They didn't even close the CIA Station or the Safe houses, oops sorry I meant the US Embassy. :)

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« Reply #441 on: April 11, 2019, 09:02:09 AM »
Geez Lurk. Please pay attention. Sidd just gave an overview :

The only sanctions that matter substantially are the PdvSA sanctions from Jan 2019, which caused a sharp drop in the US buying Venezuelan oil.

Sanctions before that only affected particular Venezuelan individuals and US speculators in Venezuelan debt.
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« Reply #442 on: April 11, 2019, 09:02:34 AM »
OK, I keep on being attacked personally, and being moderated even for just reporting any facts that happen to contradict Neven's opinion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, and it's kind of a summary, so please Neven, let this one go through.

Best of luck pissing on the MSM and the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?

To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil. It's because Venezuela is fucked up.

So please STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP denying the crisis, and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, and LISTEN to Venezuelans :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria .

And with your hatred of the MSM and the US you are in the way of helping Venezuela.
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« Reply #443 on: April 11, 2019, 09:31:40 AM »
OK, I keep on being attacked personally, and being moderated even for just reporting any facts that happen to contradict Neven's opinion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, and it's kind of a summary, so please Neven, let this one go through.

Best of luck continuing your attacks on the MSM and against the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck to you trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?

To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil. It's because Venezuela is fucked up.

So please STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP denying the crisis, and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, start to LISTEN to Venezuelans, and open your heart :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria caused by Maduro.

And with your hatred of the MSM and the US you are in the way of helping Venezuela make a change for the better.
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« Reply #444 on: April 11, 2019, 10:22:37 AM »
There was one sentence that is worth replying to in Rob's last comment I removed:

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There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil. It's because Venezuela is fucked up.

The reason is that they need the votes of brainwashed people like you. I think you represent a large segment of the American population that thinks it's liberal/progressive, but has been brainwashed to be right-wing.

And you say they avoid talking about it, which might also mean they are not mindlessly repeating your FACTS, and you don't want to post what they're saying (just like you selectively quoted that letter by Ro Khanna).

Either way, whatever it is they say, they need to do it in a way that resists the warmongering regime change narrative and that resists Trump ('He said he didn't want any more meddling and toppling, and here he is talking about a military intervention in Venezuela! The troops are still in Syria and Afghanistan, which isn't what he promised, and his cabinet of war criminals like Pompeo and Bolton, would love nothing more than a hot war with Iran! Trump says he's an outsider, but he is part of the swamp, trying to make money off of workers and poor people, no matter if they're brown, black or white, foreign or American!').
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« Reply #445 on: April 11, 2019, 11:31:03 AM »
Venezuela is not as fucked up as Sudan

President Omar al-Bashir, who ruled Sudan for over 30 consecutive years, has been ousted from power after deadly clashes between protesters and security forces reached a climax this week, multiple reports say
https://www.rt.com/news/456192-sudan-military-president-ousted/

Where was America when they needed them the last 30 years of fucked-uped-ness?

Oh what's that? President gets ousted without US Sanctions or Regime Change invasions? Wow. That can't happen ... people solving their own internal problems without the genius of Trump, Bolton and Pompeo to held them. Jeezus what's the world coming to?

What will the USA be doing about all those "deaths" in clashes?


Caracas and the Red Cross have agreed to allow UN-sponsored humanitarian aid shipments into Venezuela, which has been grappling with shortages of medicine and basic supplies amid a severe economic crisis.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro announced on Wednesday that his government has been ironing out the details of a formal agreement with the International Committee of the Red Cross on how the aid will be distributed across Venezuela. The announcement was made after Maduro met with the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), Peter Maurer, in Caracas.
https://www.rt.com/news/456186-venezuela-aid-red-cross/


Venezuela wants to sell gold reserves to shore up economy devastated by US sanctions – reports 

 Venezuela has moved eight tons of gold from the central bank in an attempt to raise hard currency to help its cash-strapped economy hit by crippling US sanctions, according to government sources cited by Reuters.

There have been unconfirmed reports that the Venezuelan government has removed around 30 tons of gold from central bank vaults this year. Washington and the government’s opposition have accused Caracas of trying to sell national gold reserves abroad. The US has threatened sanctions against any company attempting to buy Venezuelan gold.

Venezuela, battling with economic turmoil fueled by rampant inflation, power blackouts and ensuing water shortages, has not been left without help since it plunged into the crisis. Maduro has noted the humanitarian assistance his country has been receiving from its long-time allies, such as China, Russia, Turkey and India, as well as the the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO).
https://www.rt.com/business/456114-venezuela-gold-sales-billion/

HOI! That's our Gold fella, keep your grubby hands off it - Sec Pompeo is overheard as saying

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« Reply #446 on: April 12, 2019, 10:10:44 PM »
Empire plays another card: World Bank to become "deeply involved" in Venezuela

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/world-bank-preparing-deeply-involved-venezuela-190411195030646.html

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« Reply #447 on: April 13, 2019, 06:20:22 AM »
Venezuelan ex-spy chief who defected to Guaido arrested on 2014 US drug trafficking warrant in Spain

The former chief of Venezuela's military intelligence – and the highest-ranking military officer to defect to the US-backed opposition – has been nabbed in Spain on a US warrant for allegedly trafficking tons of cocaine.

Hugo Carvajal was arrested by Spanish police in Madrid on Friday and faces extradition to the US, where he was indicted in 2014 for allegedly having "coordinated the transportation of approximately 5,600 kilograms of cocaine from Venezuela to Mexico." He will testify in a Saturday court appearance as to whether he wishes to fight the extradition, an official with Spain's National Court told the AP.

The Venezuelan ex-Major General, whose nickname "el Pollo" means "the Chicken," is accused of protecting a Colombian drug kingpin from arrest, allowing him to move about 5,600kg of cocaine in and out of Venezuela, and tipping him off to law enforcement activities.

Carvajal allegedly was not only paid off by the kingpin and other members of his organization, but also invested in some of the drug shipments. He is also accused of providing weapons to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

While Carvajal served as chief of military intelligence and counter-intelligence under former Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, he reportedly began to distance himself from Chavez's successor President Nicolas Maduro after returning to Venezuela in 2014 from Aruba, where he had been briefly detained on the same US warrant, facing extradition until Maduro threatened retaliation against the island.

Carvajal left Maduro's government in 2017, ostensibly in protest over Maduro's plans to form a constitutional assembly that would reduce the power of the opposition-controlled National Assembly, and declared his allegiance to opposition leader and self-appointed president Juan Guaido in February, blaming Maduro for the "disastrous reality" of Venezuela.

Last month, the president expelled Carvajal from the armed forces, accusing him of "acts of treason against the fatherland."

Since embracing the US-backed Guaido, Carvajal has called on other members of the Venezuelan military to join the opposition, warning them against becoming "collaborators" of a "dictatorial government that has plagued people with misery" and accusing military leaders of being pawns of Cuba.

He also gave a juicy interview with the New York Times, denouncing current and former members of Maduro's government as drug traffickers, FARC and Hezbollah collaborators, and journalist blackmailers while denying his own guilt on the many of the same charges.

https://www.rt.com/news/456382-venezuelan-military-arrested-spain-drugs/

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« Reply #448 on: April 13, 2019, 06:46:43 AM »
US sanctions 4 firms & 9 ships in ongoing Venezuela regime change push
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Nine oil tankers and four companies were placed on the US Treasury Department’s blacklist on Friday, as Washington sought to ratchet up sanctions on the government of Venezuela.

Three of the sanctioned companies – Jennifer Navigation, Lima Shipping, and Large Range Ltd. – are based in Liberia, while PB Tankers SPA is based in Italy.

Of the nine ships added to the blacklist, two are registered in Italy, four in Malta, two in Greece and one in Panama.

The US has already confiscated much of Venezuela’s gold and oil industry assets, seeking to effect regime change in Caracas and depose President Nicolas Maduro in favor of US-backed opposition leader Juan Guaido.

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Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and Histor
« Reply #449 on: April 13, 2019, 01:30:11 PM »
The core issues are:
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3) If you want free and fair elections, you need to protest the crippling sanctions (if you're not already protesting them out of moral convictions). Venezuela is in trouble because, although oil profits have been used for social policies that have massively improved the lives of its population over the past two decades, they have failed at cutting their dependence on oil. They need to be helped with that, also for the sake of AGW.


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Man, you live in a parallel universe. Oil profits for the advance of social policies in the last 20 years?
But you are not an idiot... are you being subsidized by some entity friendly to Maduro and don’t want to bite the hand that feeds you? And why the censoring to Rob Dekker and in this thread in “a forgotten corner of the galaxy”?

Well this is your platform from which, I must say, you speak with the sanctimonious and judgmental tone of the far left. When you condescend to us to speak about Arctic I listen, here I just know you are sooo far from truth.