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Who is your Preferred Choice today to be the Democratic Party Presidential Nominee

Hillary Clinton (Officially Not Running 4th March 2019)
0 (0%)
Joe Biden (Former VP if he runs)
1 (2.7%)
Sen. Bernie Sanders
13 (35.1%)
Sen. Kamala Harris
6 (16.2%)
Sen. Elizabeth Warren
4 (10.8%)
Beto O'Rourke (Official run 14/03)
1 (2.7%)
Sen. Cory Booker
1 (2.7%)
Sen. Amy Klobuchar
2 (5.4%)
Michael Bloomberg (Former Mayor if he runs)
0 (0%)
Sen. Sherrod Brown (if he runs)
0 (0%)
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
1 (2.7%)
Julian Castro (Former Sec.)
0 (0%)
Mayor Pete Buttigieg
1 (2.7%)
Rep. John Delaney
0 (0%)
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
0 (0%)
Another Candidate
2 (5.4%)
"Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!"
2 (5.4%)
Governor Jay Inslee
3 (8.1%)
Gov. John Hickenlooper
0 (0%)
Andrew Yang
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 35

Voting closes: December 31, 2019, 06:43:04 AM

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Who is your Preferred Choice today to be the Democratic Party Presidential Nominee in 2020?

Not who you think will win it, but who you want to win it.

This is a Pre-Primary Poll which closes on 31st Dec 2019.

You can change your Vote at any time.

Non-Americans are encouraged to cast your Vote too.


Current RCP Polling
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Wiki 2020 Democratic Party Presidential Primaries information to date
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2019, 10:04:35 AM »
Bernie for President!

Warren as the vice.

That's my personal dream team.

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2019, 12:27:23 PM »
Go Pete, go!

I'd love to see him take a victory over You-Know-Who.

Young, has a good beard...

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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2019, 01:19:33 PM »
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" - on this forum.
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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2019, 02:19:34 PM »
Bernie, the only one who can and will make a big change about climate change.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2019, 02:40:06 PM »
I agree with Rhett.

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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2019, 03:13:17 AM »
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" - on this forum.

and

I agree with Rhett.

Good point. I have added another Choice to the list.

This will help make the Poll more reflective of overall ASIF views if people chose to use it.

Any other suggestions let me know.
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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2019, 09:51:08 AM »
I was with Bernie in 2016 and am with him for 2020.

His policies, across the board, align with my own opinions about justice.
Economically, politically and environmentally.

Knowing what we got with Trump, maybe we all realize that :

« Last Edit: February 24, 2019, 10:00:23 AM by Rob Dekker »
This is our planet. This is our time.
Let's not waste either.

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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2019, 04:53:21 AM »
Leader Board Combining the Two Polls to date 24th February

Total Votes 34

1) Bernie Sanders    13 Votes 38%

2) Kamala Harris      4 Votes 12%
2) Elizabeth Warren  4 Votes 12%

3) Tulsi Gabbard      3 Votes  9%

             Their Votes equal 71%

You irrepsonsible bunch of radicals you are.
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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2019, 05:55:41 PM »
Currently, I'd vote for Sanders first and Gabbard second. Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like.

Being Californian and witnessing Harris for several yeas, I won't vote for her. She's an opportunist/corporate Dem in progressive clothing, no question about it.

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2019, 02:46:48 AM »
Currently, I'd vote for Sanders first and Gabbard second. Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like.

Being Californian and witnessing Harris for several yeas, I won't vote for her. She's an opportunist/corporate Dem in progressive clothing, no question about it.

Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like?

I'd check the record if I were you. She has repeatedly cleared that up and apologised.

Barack Obama (and Hillary Clinton too) was elected multiple times not supporting Gay marriage and outright being against it - they changed their minds on that.

But Gabbard has gone much further than either of those tow did. She means it, they did not.
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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2019, 06:00:31 PM »
Currently, I'd vote for Sanders first and Gabbard second. Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like.

Being Californian and witnessing Harris for several yeas, I won't vote for her. She's an opportunist/corporate Dem in progressive clothing, no question about it.

Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like?

I'd check the record if I were you. She has repeatedly cleared that up and apologised.

Barack Obama (and Hillary Clinton too) was elected multiple times not supporting Gay marriage and outright being against it - they changed their minds on that.

But Gabbard has gone much further than either of those tow did. She means it, they did not.
Yes, she has apologized. Who knows what's in her heart.

Honestly, all the dem candidates have things I don't like, primarily around gun control as a tenet of electability--a very restrictive policy platform that has much better root cause solutions that would actually reduce all violence and that don't erode an enumerated right (rather not get too far into the weeds on this since I know it's a minority opinion on this board and isn't central to any of the discussions here). But those root cause solutions actually require real work to bring up the poor and provide equal access, something Republicans will never acknowledge and Corporate Dems won't address either.

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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2019, 06:28:02 PM »
Currently, I'd vote for Sanders first and Gabbard second. Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like.

Being Californian and witnessing Harris for several yeas, I won't vote for her. She's an opportunist/corporate Dem in progressive clothing, no question about it.

Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like?

I'd check the record if I were you. She has repeatedly cleared that up and apologised.

Barack Obama (and Hillary Clinton too) was elected multiple times not supporting Gay marriage and outright being against it - they changed their minds on that.

But Gabbard has gone much further than either of those tow did. She means it, they did not.
Yes, she has apologized. Who knows what's in her heart.

Honestly, all the dem candidates have things I don't like, primarily around gun control as a tenet of electability--a very restrictive policy platform that has much better root cause solutions that would actually reduce all violence and that don't erode an enumerated right (rather not get too far into the weeds on this since I know it's a minority opinion on this board and isn't central to any of the discussions here). But those root cause solutions actually require real work to bring up the poor and provide equal access, something Republicans will never acknowledge and Corporate Dems won't address either.

Yes, the parties have become quite restrictive in what their respective candidates are allowed to support.  Very few people align with either party on all issues, why should the candidates?

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2019, 06:45:42 PM »
Very few people align with either party on all issues, why should the candidates?

Most of the Dem candidates are right in line with the DNC platform. Sanders, less so. I suppose at this point in time, I expect some outside of the box thinking by those running and create some policy that will advance goals of: environmental quality, affordable health care and education, a functioning mental health and social support system and protection of rights. Instead, we get the same policy of incrementalism on those issues topped with a whopping serving of gun control as the most pressing thing in the US. It just isn't. The Green New Deal is about the best breath of fresh air I've seen in my lifetime and the establishment Dems are doing their best to erode it.

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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2019, 12:11:15 AM »
Longer discussions are best had on this thread

Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2200.0.html
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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2019, 01:41:52 AM »

Most of the Dem candidates are right in line with the DNC platform.

That is too bad.  I would like to some fresh, independent ideas.

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Re: Poll for the Democratic Party's Nomination for U.S. President in 2020
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2019, 02:57:16 AM »
Leader Board Combining the Two Polls to date 24th February

Total Votes 34

1) Bernie Sanders    13 Votes 38%

2) Kamala Harris      4 Votes 12%
2) Elizabeth Warren  4 Votes 12%

3) Tulsi Gabbard      3 Votes  9%

             Their Votes equal 71%

You irresponsible bunch of radicals you are.

I'll do this less often as the months go on .. but fwiw now 27-02

Combined results - Total Votes 41

Top Three
Bernie - 16 - 39%
Harris - 6 - 15%
Warren - 5 - 12%

Their Votes equal 66%

In national polling Joe Biden is still up around 30%

I think this race is going to be more interesting and more dramatic than 2008 or 2016 (gut feel)

Only 350 Days to the 2020 New Hampshire Democratic presidential primary

Only 616 Days to the Election Day :)
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2019, 06:00:18 PM »
Political Forecast - Election Predictions

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2019, 12:27:51 AM »
Political Forecast - Election Predictions


Thanks that was fascinating insights.

Here's the link to the source info
https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2019, 03:00:01 PM »
Political Forecast - Election Predictions


Thanks that was fascinating insights.

Here's the link to the source info
https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

I tend to agree.  If Biden runs, he will be the front runner and likely nominee.  He probably has the best chance of winning too.

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Leader Board Combining the Two Polls to date 24th February

Total Votes 34

1) Bernie Sanders    13 Votes 38%

2) Kamala Harris      4 Votes 12%
2) Elizabeth Warren  4 Votes 12%

3) Tulsi Gabbard      3 Votes  9%

             Their Votes equal 71%


I'll do this less often as the months go on .. but fwiw now 27-02

Combined results - Total Votes 41

Top Three
Bernie - 16 - 39%
Harris - 6 - 15%
Warren - 5 - 12%

Their Votes equal 66%


Only slight changes to 1st March 2019

Combined results - Total Votes 44

Top Three
Bernie - 16 - 36%
Harris  -  7 - 16% 
Warren - 6 - 14%

Their Votes equal 66% 

[note: the main poll is not totalling the # of votes correctly]
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RCP polling by State - Trump versus XYZ
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

Latest 2020 General Election Polls

Thursday, February 28
Race/Topic   (Click to Sort)    Poll    Results    Spread
Texas: Trump vs. Biden    Quinnipiac    Trump 47, Biden 46    Trump +1
Texas: Trump vs. Sanders    Quinnipiac    Trump 47, Sanders 45    Trump +2
Texas: Trump vs. Harris    Quinnipiac    Trump 48, Harris 41    Trump +7
Texas: Trump vs. Warren    Quinnipiac    Trump 48, Warren 41    Trump +7
Texas: Trump vs. O'Rourke    Quinnipiac    Trump 47, O'Rourke 46    Trump +1
Texas: Trump vs. Castro    Quinnipiac    Trump 46, Castro 41    Trump +5


Saturday, February 23
Race/Topic   (Click to Sort)    Poll    Results    Spread
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Biden    Emerson    Biden 55, Trump 45    Biden +10
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Sanders    Emerson    Sanders 55, Trump 45    Sanders +10
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Harris    Emerson    Harris 52, Trump 48    Harris +4
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Warren    Emerson    Warren 52, Trump 48    Warren +4
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Booker    Emerson    Booker 51, Trump 49    Booker +2
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Sanders vs. Schultz    Emerson    Sanders 48, Trump 42, Schultz 10    Sanders +6
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Warren vs. Schultz    Emerson    Trump 45, Warren 44, Schultz 12    Trump +1
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As shown in that Morning Consult video above - https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

If Joe Biden runs he will suck Primary Votes from Bernie, but more so from the other candidates. (iirc)

If Biden eventually does not run, or runs and then quits maybe 90% of his Voter support will swing in behind Bernie Sanders and not the others.

I suspect the current Polling has Biden dribbling at the mouth in anticipation ... however, we do not know what he will do. My guess is he will announce later in the year, late summer?, if his polling stays high like this without a campaign running. 

I also suspect that if Biden wins the Primary, then Bernie will not care in the least he lost - so long as Biden beats Trump will be enough to satisfy Sanders. Whatever happens between now and then the activity and support generated by Bernie will have a positive effect on the Democratic Party Policy for 2020 as well upon Joe Biden himself. Because if he does not "openly and seriously" back in the things that all the others in the race support he risks losing to Trump big time. imo.

There is however another aspect to this unfolding. Should Biden win the primary and the general election as President, then the establishment Democratic party wins - and the people of America lose... and any real hope for something near the GND goes up in smoke and so goes the Planet.  BAU and more Predator Capitalism will reign supreme across the empire.

Sure my Bias is showing, it's merely my opinion though. But I do have a good track record with such longer term forecasts and implications therefrom.
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Daily Kos independent visitor Poll
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/5/1839795/-Test-2-W-Poll

23210 votes - Who is your preferred candidate for President?

Bernie Sanders  70%
Andrew Yang 12%
Tulsi Gabbard 6%

Harris 3%
Warren 2%
Joe Biden 1%
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Daily Kos independent visitor Poll
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/5/1839795/-Test-2-W-Poll

23210 votes - Who is your preferred candidate for President?

Bernie Sanders  70%
Andrew Yang 12%
Tulsi Gabbard 6%

Harris 3%
Warren 2%
Joe Biden 1%


Well there's a realistic poll ;D 8)

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I honestly don't know. I look at each name and think either "not him/her" and "who"s that?"

To those backing Bernie: I kind of like him, but do you not see his age as an obstacle? The oldest ever elected president was Reagan, who was 73 at the time of his second election. Bernie will be 78 in September. 

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What do you think is the max age and why, Paddy?

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It's not that I think there should be a specific cut off, but being of an age at which more than half of American men would already be dead would seem distinctly disadvantageous, both for campaigning (the Republicans came up with a lot of bs about Hillary's health, and she was a lot younger) and for doing the job itself.

Sanders and Biden are just a tad too old to inspire the confidence of swing voters etc. Sanders even looked a bit too old at the time of the *last* primaries, and he's not getting any younger.

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Thank you for your answer Paddy. Allow me to debunk that.

It's not that I think there should be a specific cut off

Good, he fits this criterium.  ;)

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but being of an age at which more than half of American men would already be dead

There are younger presidents died younger, and there are Americans being older.

He seems healthy, so this is pretty arbitrary.

In most societies, it is assumed an older person is wiser and more experienced. I can't see how this shouldn't also be a consideration for the most important job in the world.

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would seem distinctly disadvantageous, both for campaigning

There is a huge grassroots army out there helping. I do not worry about that at all.

More than 1 million volunteers, the many small donations, word to mouth this is gonna be big!

Also, damn, he is a really good campaigner. Did he campaign his ass off for Hillary, or not?

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(the Republicans came up with a lot of bs about Hillary's health, and she was a lot younger)

Idk man, the GOP smear machine will find smears no matter what. The Democratic candidate ought to wins with their agenda.

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swing voters

To quote AOC here: " But he does!"


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I sure wish he was younger, but nobody's perfect.

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Our policy failed, we need to bend the knee.

Why there needs to be a candidate from the "radical left".

Neoliberal Policy Architect: Whoops!



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Thank you for your answer Paddy.

You're welcome - thank you too!

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He seems healthy, so this is pretty arbitrary.

In most societies, it is assumed an older person is wiser and more experienced. I can't see how this shouldn't also be a consideration for the most important job in the world.

It's also noted in most workplaces that performqnce drops with age. Athletes in most disciplines peak by 30, surgeons about age 40, and most people retire around age 60 or 65. Many who try to stay on later still end up being unproductive and often a bit of a problem for their colleagues.  Past 80, he's going to be accruing health problems pretty quickly however perky he looks at 77, as entropy inevitably takes its toll.

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would seem distinctly disadvantageous, both for campaigning

There is a huge grassroots army out there helping. I do not worry about that at all.

More than 1 million volunteers, the many small donations, word to mouth this is gonna be big!

Also, damn, he is a really good campaigner. Did he campaign his ass off for Hillary, or not?


Was. Was a good campaigner. And Hillary still didn't win, of course.

He's going to be slower now than he was then, physically and mentally. When Dems have won in the last few decades, it's been with candidates who were young, charismatic and energetic (Barrack Obama, Bill Clinton).  They need someone who can do now what they did then, and no 78 year old on earth would fit that bill.

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Noam Chomsky at age 91 is still Americas brightest thinker. The mind tends to grow with age unless you are mentally unhealthy like the acting president* indeed is.

Bernie is not candidating for being an athlete so i don't really get your point.

We have to agree to strongly disagree Paddy. ;)

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Noam Chomsky at age 91 is still Americas brightest thinker. The mind tends to grow with age unless you are mentally unhealthy like the acting president* indeed is.

On the contrary, cognitive decline is part of the normal aging process https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4906299, even if you're lucky enough to avoid dementia, stroke, head injury or brain mets.

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Bernie is not candidating for being an athlete so i don't really get your point.

It wasn't the best point, I'll confess... but the truth is that general physical decline begins in early adulthood.

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We have to agree to strongly disagree Paddy. ;)

Maybe so.  But just out of curioaity: how old would a candidate need to be before you had second thoughts on thst basis? 85? 90?

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It's the agenda that counts for me entirely Paddy. I don't have an age limit, i have an issue limit. :)

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Mahathir the PM of Malaysia recently won a critical election there in a broad coalition of parties - the goal was to topple the Party he used to be head of that party / govt and retired long ago but it had become badly corrupt and criminal.

He was 92 years old. But ran openly saying he would turn over the PM job to the 2IC who at the time was stuck in jail on false convictions - that's how corrupt the govt had become - reminds me of the US actually.

Can you imagine what some one who is matured, very wise, experienced, and honourable and confident in his own judgment would find out about the goings on behind the scenes of the US Govt he if was elected to be President. The big question is would he even say a word about it? Could he find a team of officials who would honestly tell him the truth and have the very same values and principles as he does? this is a useful question to ask and be sceptical of in the future.  None of the others have or done anything about it.
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Currently, I'd vote for Sanders first and Gabbard second. Gabbard has some anti LGBTQ baggage that I don't like.
Beto O’Rourke has stated he's running. He's moved to first place for me based on his statements surrounding the urgency of climate change. 12 years to get it done. Sanders is now second.

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Tamino on Why you need to support Jay Inslee, even though you’d rather choose another candidate
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So I suggest you throw your support 100% behind the candidate who I don’t think can get the nomination. Jay Inslee.

What??? Why would I suggest you not only support, but vigourously support the guy I think won’t even get the nomination? Let me tell you.



If you love Bernie, keep Jay in the race so when the bitch-slaps come, the only ones left standing are Jay and Bernie. If you love Elizabeth, give her the bitch-slap she desperately needs, not just to get the nomination and the presidency, but to do right by us when she does.

Whoever gets the democratic nomination, needs to hear Jay Inslee’s voice loud and clear, right on their heels.

Tamino usually makes sense.
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So, it's either a strong candidate with good climate action or a candidate with great climate action but less popular.

Also, it's either seeing Bernie win the primaries or seeing Kamela* win because the vote was split between Jay and Bernie.

*maybe Beto even...!?

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Tamino usually makes sense.  (?)

So Tamino still believes the illusion that whoever wins the Democrat primary and the US Presidency will actually make a difference to the global climate crisis and the GHG emissions of the USA into the future. Gosh they might even be able to roll out a Green New Deal ... wow.

Seriously?

There's one born every minute.
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Eh, with a democratic congress they may make some difference. Obama was a bit hamstrung.

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A little difference is better than nothing. It's not as if there are other alternatives that will make a big difference.

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A little difference is better than nothing. It's not as if there are other alternatives that will make a big difference.

Imagine some
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Eh, with a democratic congress they may make some difference. Obama was a bit hamstrung.

Really?  He had two years of total control, and focused on an economic stimulus package and the affordable care act. 

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Poll total 32 votes.

Sen. Bernie Sanders = 11 (34.4%)

Versus anyone but Bernie

Harris, Warren, O'Rourke, Booker, Klobuchar = 14  (43.7%)

My current prediction is the real Primaries will come down to Biden vs Bernie

When I expect the establishment and the media will do the same things to Bernie they did in 2016 and he will not make it. The 5 above will endorse Biden of course once they drop out. Therefore no real change in the Democratic Party and more fuel for the coming protests, riots and social breakdowns in the years ahead.
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Bernie Sanders Frontrunner Wisconsin Democratic Primary Poll Emerson March 2019


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I've added Andrew Yang to the list.
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