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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #850 on: December 08, 2019, 04:49:58 PM »
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They are all servants of concentrated wealth, and that's why they need to be smoked out, and measures need to be taken to deconcentrate wealth. Only Sanders offers a glimpse of hope of accomplishing that. Nobody comes even close to offering that glimpse.

Only Sanders?  All our eggs in one basket?  No other candidate can be considered acceptable?

I think most voters are more motivated by fear (of losing what they now have) than aspirations for a better society.  Whether Sanders' plans represent risk to middle-class Americans or not, I think his candidacy is profoundly vulnerable to highly-effective fear mongering by monied interests.

Meanwhile America (and the now many other nations headed by Trump-like leaders) are on an express train to devastation, tyranny, and vast suffering.  Stopping that express train must be the first step in the emergency, and this is politically achievable.  Virtually any of the candidates would act to halt that express train.  But if we bet all-or-nothing on a candidate who is vulnerable to scaremongering, we might well lose it all.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #851 on: December 08, 2019, 06:06:59 PM »
No other candidate can be considered acceptable?

For things to change you need someone as a president who understands the problems in the first place.

Only Bernie has shown to be consistently on the right side of history.

Literally any other candidate has been on the wrong side way too often and can't be trusted to do the right thing.

And, you also need a huge grassroots supporting the issues. Only Bernie has that.

So yes, there is only one candidate acceptable!
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #852 on: December 08, 2019, 06:45:31 PM »
What BK says...

Only Sanders?  All our eggs in one basket?  No other candidate can be considered acceptable?

Unfortunately, this is the case. No other candidate is acceptable.

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Meanwhile America (and the now many other nations headed by Trump-like leaders) are on an express train to devastation, tyranny, and vast suffering.  Stopping that express train must be the first step in the emergency, and this is politically achievable.  Virtually any of the candidates would act to halt that express train.  But if we bet all-or-nothing on a candidate who is vulnerable to scaremongering, we might well lose it all.

You act as if the emergency started on the day Trump took office. The emergency started long before that, and Trump is the outcome. He is a symptom of a larger problem called neoliberalism. None of the candidates, except perhaps for a few, will do anything to stop the express train of neoliberalism. Either because they are unaware, or because they only care about their ambitions.

If you elect any of these candidates, and if they manage to beat Trump (big if), they will try to re-establish the pre-Trump status quo, which resulted in Trump. This will only set the stage for something far worse than Trump.

So, your proposed solution to stop the express train, will only turn it into a military-grade Maglev train. It is all-or-nothing, and incrementalism is nothing. Sanders is the only acceptable candidate. That doesn't mean he is perfect and that once he is in office everything will change and become better, but it's the only viable option.

If you cannot or refuse to understand this, I would really appreciate it if you'd go look for a forum where your kind of thinking is considered smart/wise.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #853 on: December 08, 2019, 07:53:42 PM »
Should we start a new thread, maybe titled "Who will be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?" Is the Elections 2020 USA thread a better place for polling discussion?

The opinions of forum members are interesting, but will have no impact on the election. I'd prefer to discuss what is actually happening.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #854 on: December 09, 2019, 07:55:58 PM »
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Pete Buttigieg Says 'No' When Asked If He Thinks Getting Money Out Of Politics Includes Ending Closed-Door Fundraisers With Billionaires

Link >> https://www.newsweek.com/pete-buttigieg-money-politics-billionaire-fundraisers-1476189
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #855 on: December 09, 2019, 09:15:46 PM »
Biden is corrupt, just like Trump is.
Haha... Paradigmatic. Don't you see any differences or nuances between those two? Putting Biden and Trump into one box? Seriously? You won't better the world with simplistic either-or black-white logic. Trumputin propaganda logic, as I explained before. Strictly following the tertium-non-datur and Western simplifications of negation and nonnegation etc. is not always a sign of intelligence and rigorous analysis - More often than not it is a symptom of the ego's refusal to have a serious look at things and processes outside the logician's head.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #856 on: December 09, 2019, 09:42:49 PM »
Here is for everyone's convenience sake, a commonly used corruption-o-meter:

Does it smell like corruption? => Corruption
Is it only a little bit of corruption? => Corruption
Is it corruption? => Corruption
Is it rampant corruption? => Corruption

See, not too hard to understand, right? You are welcome!
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