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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3800 on: June 10, 2024, 02:14:16 PM »
Elon says they are stripping the tiles off Ship 5 and putting on tiles twice as thick.  The other front flap got pretty overheated but the rear flaps appeared to be acceptable.

About a month for the next launch.  Also he intends to catch the booster.

V2 ship, apparently, is not compatible with Launch Tower 1.  So the new launch tower will be needed for V2 ships then tower 2 will need to be modified.  Probably new chopsticks ship QD and booster QD.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3801 on: June 10, 2024, 08:14:55 PM »
Elon Musk on Next Starship Launch:
 
"The next Starship Launch hopefully in about a month. We're going to replace the whole heat shield on the ship. The new tile is about twice as strong as the old ones."
SpaceX also wants to put an ablative secondary structure (protective layer) behind the tiles so that if a tile cracks or becomes loose it won't cook the rocket.
➡️ pic.twitter.com/557vceHC69  44 sec.  With captions, while playing the video game.

Source: https://x.com/cyb3rgam3r420/status/1799935298803208282 [the live stream link]

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“The SpaceX Starship tiles appear to use studs to fasten tile. The rear of the tiles may have holes for some adhesive or threads with inserts. Underneath the tiles is the insulation (white) required to isolate the super-cold propellant in the tanks. All this will see temperature swings – super-cold on the stainless-steel side when the propellant is loaded, super-hot on the black tile side when returning from orbit. Besides contraction and expansion, everything will flex and bend from launch, flight, and return forces. So, all the insulation and tile must be allowed to move too. To top it off, hot gas on re-entry likes smooth surfaces, so any transitions create unique design challenges.”
 
Credit: Kuhiria on reddit. 
6/10/24, https://x.com/basicallyholden/status/1800186566008279151
 
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/hzEk15EzB0  photo below: heat tiles/layers/studs

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Elon delighted his supporters today with an over 5 hour long livestream that went until about 10:45pm CT. He was testing Starlink's use with X live game streaming (Diablo) on his account @cyb3rgam3r420
Elon shared that he had a hotdog for lunch and took his kids to the monster truck expo as they love monstertrucks!

STARSHIP
Elon Musk answered questions during a gaming livestream about Starship, Tesla, Optimus, and X deboosting. …
 
"next launch with new heat tiles (2x strong) will likely launch in 1 month"
 
SpaceX aims for full heat shield reusability, which has never been done before.

He said we need around 10 million tons of cargo along with a million people on Mars to be self-sustaining.
 
"We'll be able to make the tower withstand 1000s of landings. "

"We've gone from utterly insane to merely late!"
 
"We are aiming for a first Starship launch end of 2025 from out of Florida."

Elon said SpaceX will release some flappy rocket merch to honor launch 4, and he cannot believe that rocket did so well despite having a damaged flap.

Elon explained how he's working with UC Berkeley to bring up a huge space telescope to space.
 
"We are aiming for trips to Mars to be 2 to 4 months long."
 
"We'll have Boring machines on the Moon and on Mars."

"Every 2 years, we'll try to get thousands of ships to Mars"

 
"We are not going to do a Tesla phone."

 
So how did the testing of Starlink's use with X live game streaming go? SUCCESS! The stream was flawless.  Great job by Elon and his Starlink team and X game streaming team.
 
I saw some great ppl in the chat too, such as @BigImpactHumans  @S3XYstarship @StephMHalbrook and @ProximaCB55 @truth_zeeker and @CSI_Starbase  @paranoidream @FreebornAmanda and " and over 140K live viewers! Wow! We loved this conversation along with the game stream, epic cool.
6/10/24, 12:09 AM https://x.com/gailalfaratx/status/1800017359232512142

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ELON IN 2010: FULLY REUSABLE ROCKET NEEDED TO MAKE LIFE MULTI-PLANETARY
"The really big breakthrough, the fundamental invention that's needed to make life multi-planetary, is a fully reusable orbit-class rocket system.
The Space Shuttle is partly reusable, but the main tank is thrown away every time, and even the parts that are supposed to be reusable are so difficult to reuse or refurbish that the Space Shuttle costs about four times as much per flight as an equivalent expendable vehicle.
There have been many attempts to build a reusable rocket system, but they have always been canceled once they discovered that success was not one of the possible outcomes.
But this is fundamentally something that has to be solved if life's got to become multi-planetary.
At SpaceX, we're hoping to make some progress in that direction."
 
Source: Elon Musk lecture at Yale University. October 14, 2010.
➡️ pic.twitter.com/Aqdib29tpi 

Elon Musk
Sorry it’s taken so long to make it happen, but we’re super close now
6/8/24, 11:13 PM  https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1799640950752641233

 
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< What is the demand/business case for multiple human rated capsules once the ISS ends its service?   Seeing some conflicting info, love to hear it from space twitter

Eric Berger
Theoretically there are commercial space stations coming online circa 2030. It would be good to have competition for Dragon. But this seems unlikely given that Boeing will probably not continue past its ISS missions nor be able to match Dragon on price.
6/8/24, 9:12 PM  https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1799610415887884372
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Starliner is the only realistic competitor. Dreamchaser is likely never happening for crew. Europe won’t move ahead any time soon. Maybe India will emerge with a commercial Leo service. We’ll see. Long term, Starship probably swamps them all but that’s 10+ years away.
6/8/24, 9:14 PM. https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1799611036238315576
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3802 on: June 11, 2024, 11:20:12 PM »
2-4 months is a high energy transit.  Tells us a lot about how much fuel they will need to get there and also to stop at the other end.
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« Reply #3803 on: June 12, 2024, 02:54:21 AM »
2-4 months is a high energy transit.  Tells us a lot about how much fuel they will need to get there and also to stop at the other end.
Today’s ΔV rule book limitations will need to be completely rewritten when SpaceX gets in-space “refilling” solved.
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« Reply #3804 on: June 12, 2024, 02:57:29 AM »
Everyday Astronaut
Curious how the orbital launch tower held up after launch? So was I! I took some of our footage and watched the chopsticks move after the launch (into a practice catch position?). @elonmusk talked about upgrades to the arms in our tour that will hopefully come out next week!
➡️ pic.twitter.com/xYfFg8wUVB  1 min. Launch. Switch to 8x, chopsticks closing

Elon Musk
No major damage
6/11/24, 2:33 PM. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1800597113635545184

 
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I'd love to know if there were similar symptoms on any of the other 3 flaps. Given #SpaceX are now completely replacing the heat shield on the Flight 5 Starship, would love to know how the other flaps held.
The controlled landing after this was nuts! 🤯
Any hints @elonmusk?
➡️ pic.twitter.com/SUE2hyiCt2  3 sec: That vid of the flap melting.

Elon Musk
Left flap also got very hot, but was less damaged.
Rear flaps seemed to be ok, based on their control authority, but probably lost some tiles.

6/10/24, https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1800129599273406820
 
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NSF update vid
Looking Ahead To The Next Starship Flight ALREADY | Starbase Update - YouTube
21 min. June 10. 


Clip: the deluge system also started up again about 7 min into flight, about the time the booster would be landing. Further prep for booster catch?
Ship 30 & Booster 12 for next flight
Rings seen that should be for the 8th flight!
Tank farm 1.0 will be expanded and become part of pad 2.0, rather than a separate system for the other tower.

 
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Eric Berger
If there is any hope at all for Artemis III to happen in 2026, Starship needs to fly this challenging mission in the next nine months.
 
The test will entail a lot of technology, including docking mechanisms, navigation sensors, quick disconnects, and more.
 
As NASA watches Starship closely, here’s what the agency wants to see next
Eric Berger - 6/11/2024
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Few people were happier with the successful outcome of last week's test flight of SpaceX's Starship launch system than a NASA engineer named Catherine Koerner.

In remarks after the spaceflight, Koerner praised the "incredible" video of the Starship rocket and its Super Heavy booster returning to Earth, with each making a soft landing. "That was very promising, and a very, very successful engineering test," she added, speaking at a meeting of the Space Studies Board.

A former flight director, Koerner now manages development of the "exploration systems" that will support the Artemis missions for NASA—a hugely influential position within the space agency. This includes the Space Launch System rocket, NASA's Orion spacecraft, spacesuits, and the Starship vehicle that will land on the Moon.

In recent months, NASA officials like Koerner have been grappling with the reality that not all of this hardware is likely to be ready for the planned September 2026 launch date for the Artemis III mission. In particular, the agency is concerned about Starship's readiness as a "Human Landing System." While SpaceX is pressing forward rapidly with a test campaign, there is still a lot of work to be done to get the vehicle down to the lunar surface and safely back into lunar orbit.

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For these reasons, as Ars previously reported, NASA and SpaceX are planning for the possibility of modifying the Artemis III mission. Instead of landing on the Moon, a crew would launch in the Orion spacecraft and rendezvous with Starship in low-Earth orbit. This would essentially be a repeat of the Apollo 9 mission, buying down risk and providing a meaningful stepping stone between Artemis missions.

Officially, NASA maintains that the agency will fly a crewed lunar landing, the Artemis III mission, in September 2026. But almost no one in the space community regards that launch date as more than aspirational. Some of my best sources have put the most likely range of dates for such a mission from 2028 to 2032. A modified Artemis III mission, in low-Earth orbit, would therefore bridge a gap between Artemis II and an eventual landing….
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/as-nasa-watches-starship-closely-heres-what-the-agency-wants-to-see-next/
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3805 on: June 12, 2024, 02:58:48 AM »
yes, the magnificent elon is rewriting the laws of physics. all hail the white paper.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3806 on: June 12, 2024, 03:00:55 AM »
Zack Golden @CSI_Starbase
—- 🚨 Starship Environmental Impact Statement for LC39A
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Some notable mentions from this document include:

Vehicle Design
-35 Engines On Superheavy and 9 Engines on Starship

Expected Launch Cadence
-Up to 44 launches per year from Starship at 39A with landings permitted both at the pad and on drone ships.

Pad Infrastructure
-A separate Catch Tower which is located further to the south from the existing Integration Tower.


*I think this may be to allow them to catch the Booster and Ship on separate towers. The alternative would be to catch the ship while the booster is on the pad. This may be to reduce risk of damage to the booster.

Natural Gas Pre-Treatment and Liquefaction System
- This is great because it means there will likely be a Natural gas pipeline feeding this location and will drastically reduce traffic to and from the launch site.
35 Engines on the Booster & 9 Engines on the Ship

Air Separation Plant
- Similar to the Natural Gas facility, they will also have the ability to produce Liquid Oxygen and Nitrogen on site.

Deluge System
- Up to 1 million Gallons of Water is expected to be used during launch operations. For perspective, this is nearly 2.5 times larger than the current deluge system at Starbase

🔗 https://www.faa.gov/media/80626

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Some additional thoughts on the catch tower because I already know a lot of you are going to bring up my past quotes: "Catch only towers ain't a real thing"

Second Stage vehicles will not always immediately return to the launch site after deploying payloads. They may remain in orbit for days/weeks/months before they return .

ex: Tanker variants may offload propellant into orbital depots and then return to the Launch pad, refuel, and launch again on the same booster.

In the case of Starlink launches, after landing the ships will need return to the payload integration facility. The same booster may end up remaining at the pad, waiting for another ship to be stacked on top. Therefore, it makes sense that SpaceX may want a secondary landing zone for these situations.

Theoretically a second stage vehicle can return hours before another another ship is scheduled to launch. This is not something we should expect to see happen at Starbase.
6/11/24, https://x.com/csi_starbase/status/1800618501943501124
 
< I would hazard a guess it's to enable RTLS abort modes for Starship
ZG: Thats a really good point
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3807 on: June 12, 2024, 03:45:06 PM »
yes, the magnificent elon is rewriting the laws of physics. all hail the white paper.

“In fact, all space missions whether robotic or crewed, historical or planned, have been designed with constraints that are not relevant to Starship.”

Starship is Still Not Understood
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/starship-is-still-not-understood/
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3808 on: June 13, 2024, 12:01:39 AM »
BREAKING Great news: 
 
The FAA is not requiring SpaceX conduct a mishap investigation of Starship's 4th flight test
6/12/24, 5:41 PM. https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1801006816794435767

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The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities.

Thus, the biggest reason for most Starship flight delays will not be a factor for Test Flight 4.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3809 on: June 13, 2024, 01:28:38 AM »
BREAKING
Disturbing comms from the ISS.  It sounds like one of the astronauts may have experienced decompression sickness, and is being treated for it.

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@NASASpaceflight
Something is going on with the ISS, as heard over the loop in the NSF forum Expedition 71 live update thread:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59517.msg2600421#msg2600421

Ref: [NASA Live feed] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPTD2gnZFUw&feature=youtu.be

Some very odd, and disturbing, audio just aired on the ISS Youtube feed.  A flight surgeon for SpaceX? (she referenced being on the way to MCC-X but was stuck in traffic) was talking to someone about getting the "Commander" into his suit, putting an oxygen mask with 100% oxygen, and talking about hyperbaric exposure. 

"She stated the Commander's outlook was "doubtful." She believed the conversation was privatized, obviously it was not, and finished by passing contact info for a hospital in Spain.

Whoever she was talking to was not heard and I verified the exchange was in fact on the ISS feed by reloading the page and starting it from scratch and heard the conversation continue."
6/12/24, 7:07 PM https://x.com/nasaspaceflight/status/1801028546703306765
 
 < heard dcs hits over comms. decompression sickness

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This almost sounds like someone has contracted ' the bends (?) on-orbit with a possible [hyperbaric] treatment, and hearing that the prognosis for CDR is tenuous at best . Will continue to monitor but nothing official ( yet) from anyone.
6/12/24, 7:19 PM https://x.com/genejm29/status/1801031702388555928
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3810 on: June 13, 2024, 01:35:48 AM »
They are preparing for tomorrow’s EVA
 
Astronauts Work Final Spacewalk Preps and Genetic Sequencing – Space Station
June 12
The Expedition 71 crew is in final preparations for a science and maintenance spacewalk set to begin Thursday morning. The two astronauts on NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test spent their day aboard the International Space Station performing genetic sequencing and orbital plumbing.

NASA astronauts Tracy C. Dyson and Matthew Dominick are in their final day of preparations for a spacewalk planned to start at 8 a.m. EDT on Thursday. …

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2024/06/12/astronauts-work-final-spacewalk-preps-and-genetic-sequencing/
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3811 on: June 13, 2024, 01:43:29 AM »
Chris Bergin - NSF @NASASpaceflight
Best case is a drill that should never have made it on to the loop. That's what I'm hoping for.
6/12/24, 7:31 PM

Jonathan McDowell @planet4589
Yeah, that was my first thought too
6/12/24, 7:33 PM
 
Eric Berger @SciGuySpace
Not sure why a participant in the drill would be stuck in LA traffic though.
6/12/24, 7:38 PM https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1801036481806348447

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Possibly an unscheduled drill, so it would involve “real life” scenarios for the responders?

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Yes, that looks to be the case:

Lindsey Eady
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Heard from ISS MCC - it was a Sim that accidentally got picked up on the A2G loops and media grabbed it.
6/12/24, 7:31 PM  https://x.com/mslindsey42/status/1801034649797353850

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Abhi Tripathi
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Just a general reminder that is hopefully irrelevant today: The Dragon Ops team has extensive training in how to get a sick or injured astronaut back down to Earth as quickly and safely as possible throughout all times of the mission profile accounting for the gamut of Earth environmental conditions.
6/12/24, 7:44 PM. https://x.com/spaceabhi/status/1801038012475982277


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Eric Berger
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I can confirm with 100 percent confidence that there is no emergency on board the International Space Station. It was a sim not involving the crew.
6/12/24, 7:53 PM. https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1801040197296996782

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Update

International Space Station
@Space_Station
There is no emergency situation going on aboard the International Space Station. At approximately 5:28 p.m. CDT, audio was aired on the NASA livestream from a simulation audio channel on the ground indicating a crew member was experiencing effects related to decompression sickness (DCS). This audio was inadvertently misrouted from an ongoing simulation where crew members and ground teams train for various scenarios in space and is not related to a real emergency. The International Space Station crew members were in their sleep period at the time. All remain healthy and safe, and tomorrow’s spacewalk will start at 8 a.m. EDT as planned.
6/12/24, 8:05 PM  https://x.com/space_station/status/1801043194253127963


SpaceX
@SpaceX
This was only a test. The crew training in Hawthorne is safe and healthy as is the Dragon spacecraft docked to the @Space_Station
6/12/24, 8:37 PM https://x.com/spacex/status/1801051148054667644
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3812 on: June 13, 2024, 02:04:39 AM »
Gav Cornwell
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Given the news wave from the last 45 minutes that is now being reported as a simulation not involving the ISS crew, several people have asked about emergency recovery of astronauts. For NASA commercial crew missions my understanding is that this would fall to a detachment of the First Air Force. The official wording from the USAF is:

1st Air Force, Detachment 3 is responsible for coordinating astronaut rescue and recovery, contingency landing site support, payload security, medical support, coordination of airlift/sealift for contingency operations, as well as other support services required in the event of a spacecraft emergency.

Additional details on the operation of Det 3 (when it was part of Space Launch Delta 45) can be read in great detail here: https://www.patrick.spaceforce.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2036661/45th-og-detachment-3-making-sure-an-astronauts-worst-day-isnt-their-last-day/

The arrangement is different for private Dragon flights, contractors such as Operator Solutions fulfill this role.

If a Dragon capsule needs to return to Earth in an emergency scenario, SpaceX recovery ships would be too slow to reach the capsule before a splashdown - which could occur anywhere on Earth on the ISS track.

Photo Credit: USAF - https://www.flickr.com/photos/us-pacific-command/49945444338/my
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6/12/24, 7:59 PM https://x.com/spaceoffshore/status/1801041790264348866
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3813 on: June 13, 2024, 02:56:57 PM »
🤔
 
NASA Astronauts Tracy C. Dyson and Matt Dominick were suiting up for an EVA today (pic below ⬇️  from pic.twitter.com/fQkjuQhrR1 at 7:36am ET) but it was called off due to a “suit discomfort issue.”
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/PyS2Q3JTgw  30 sec. Statement on NASA Livestream.

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Due to a spacesuit discomfort issue, today's spacewalk with @NASA_Astronauts Tracy C. Dyson and Matt Dominick at the @Space_Station will not be proceeding as scheduled. Visit our blog for updates as they become available: blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/ 
6/13/24, 8:15 AM  https://x.com/nasa/status/1801226823222612297

One interesting part of the EVA is that they will be swabbing locations on the outside of the station, taking “biological samples.”
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3814 on: June 15, 2024, 02:49:34 AM »
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NASA is delaying the return of the Starliner spacecraft four days from orbit for … reasons.
6/14/24, 8:57 AM  https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1801599731589910707
 
"We are continuing to understand the capabilities of Starliner to prepare for the long-term goal of having it perform a six-month docked mission at the space station," said Steve Stich, manager of NASA's Commercial Crew Program. "The crew will perform additional hatch operations to better understand its handling, repeat some 'safe haven' testing and assess piloting using the forward window.”
 
Starliner CFT: Plans are in place to hot-fire 7 of the Starliner's 8 aft-facing thrusters (1 failed jet remains off line) while the capsule is still docked to the station "to evaluate thruster performance for the remainder of the mission" and to assess "how the spacecraft will perform during future operational missions after being docked to the space station for 6 months;" NASA also says the crew will carry out additional hatch operations "to better understand its handling, repeat some ‘safe haven’ testing and assess piloting using the forward window.”
6/14/24, 8:55 AM  https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1801599292181713193

NASA plans to hold a news briefing to discuss the Starliner's flight status, weather, etc., at 12pm EDT (1400 UTC) on June 18

Boeing and NASA delay Starliner astronaut return to June 22, nearly doubling mission length to test spacecraft
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… Before the launch, a single leak in Calypso’s helium propulsion system was identified. The leak was deemed to be stable and not a threat to the capsule’s safety, so the launch moved forward and was successful in delivering Starliner to the ISS.
 
However, since docking with the ISS, the spacecraft has sprung four additional helium leaks. NASA earlier this week wrote that Calypso “has plenty of margin to support the return trip” based on the current rate of the five leaks, with 10 times the needed capacity of helium in its tanks.
 
The agency also noted that Starliner would “repeat some ‘safe haven’ testing,” but did not explain why that was necessary. A safe haven test is when astronauts on the ISS use a spacecraft for shelter during an emergency. NASA said “the spacecraft remains cleared for crew emergency return scenarios within the flight rules,” referencing the possible scenario of an unexpected evacuation of the astronauts off the ISS. …
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/14/boeing-and-nasa-delay-starliner-astronaut-return-to-june-22.html
 
“and checking the cabin air temperature…”. Let me guess:  With additional crew members aboard Starliner during the safe haven exercise, the cabin overheated.  Again.

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Boeing’s Starliner has a fifth helium leak, which NASA disclosed in a blog post and identified after the spacecraft docked with the ISS. But the agency said engineers’ evaluation found there is “plenty of margin” in the spacecraft’s helium supply based on current leak rates. – NASA
 
NASA, Boeing Progress on Testing Starliner with Crew at Space Station
June 10, 2024
https://blogs.nasa.gov/boeing-crew-flight-test/2024/06/10/nasa-boeing-progress-on-testing-starliner-with-crew-at-space-station/

Calypso is now set to land at 6:26am EDT (10:26 UTC) on June 22 in the southwest US desert

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Today, June 14, is Flag Day in the US.  So this is a great time to remember the U.S.A. flag that flew up to the ISS on the first Space Shuttle flight, returned to Earth on the same flight, then returned to the ISS on the Space Shuttle’s last flight, to wait for years until the next American spacecraft to launch astronauts from American soil. 

   Flag Day – One Small Flag’s Incredible Journey
   https://www.nasa.gov/learning-resources/flag-day-one-small-flags-incredible-journey/
   This article is for students grades 5-8.  But has some good photos.

For a while, it was uncertain which spacecraft would fly crew to the ISS first, Boeing Starliner or SpaceX Dragon.  But SpaceX “captured the flag” in May 2020 with its crewed Dragon Demo-2 flight.  (Doug Hurley flew on the last shuttle mission, as well as Demo-2!)  Because Starliner was delayed, even though the SpaceX flight had been originally contracted as only a 14-day test, astronauts Doug Hurley and Bob Behnken trained for additional tasks and EVAs that NASA considered urgent, and the Dragon crew completed an extended mission of 62 days. 

For Starliner, NASA had originally planned a months-long crew test flight, figuring Boeing would easily finish their spacecraft and that newcomer SpaceX would likely stumble.  Indeed, both companies had setbacks, (a Dragon exploded during propellant testing, due to a titanium valve problem unknown to the industry at the time) but while SpaceX’s Demo-1 uncrewed flight to the ISS in early 2019 had gone well, Starliner’s uncrewed Orbital Test Flight (#1) in December 2019 was an embarrassing near-catastrophe because the spacecraft’s Mission Elapsed Timer was off by 11 hours.  In January 2020, SpaceX performed an amazing in-flight abort test with Falcon 9 and Dragon* (a test Boeing chose to not do), and then launched Bob & Doug in May 2020 for the the win.

* Dragon’s In-Flight Abort Test, Jan 19, 2020
Just after launch, at the point of Maximum Dynamic Pressure on the vehicle (the toughest time for an abort to happen), Dragon’s software had been configured to command the Falcon 9 to abort and release the Dragon.  The rocket quickly becomes aerodynamically unstable and explodes, but the Dragon is already safely away.  Great views from on-board Dragon as the parachutes are deployed for splashdown.
 
NASA short version:
➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mu5Ydz34oVc&feature=youtu.be
10 min
 
NASA long version (more explanation):
➡️  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ARIZnaMXTEU&feature=youtu.be
31 min

—-
And for chuckles, here’s Boeing's Starliner uncrewed OFT-1 Launch toward the International Space Station from Dec 20, 2019
➡️  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PIDytLL734A&feature=youtu.be
2 hours.
Launch is about 1h4min into the video.
Spacecraft separation 1h19m.  Which is where things start to go sideways (literally). The Orbital Insertion Burn is supposed to happen 15 min later. 
At 1h33m you can see Starliner’s attitude thrusters firing like crazy on the left side of the big display in the control room, when they show it.  Starliner is pointing the wrong way…
⬇️ At 1h43m I took the screen shot below of a rather upset Flight Dynamics Officer. 😂

Follow the subsequent drama from back in the day in this thread starting here:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2582.msg241495.html#msg241495.
 
NASA determined that the flight’s many failures constituted a “High Visibility Close Call” and so began an investigation of Starliner’s hardware, software, testing methodology and Boeing culture in general, finding some 70 issues that needed to be resolved before future flights — including a do-over of the uncrewed Orbital Flight Test, which did not occur until May 2022. That flight also experienced problems, but at least managed to make it up to the ISS and back OK.

So we see from today’s Crew Flight Test, Boeing Starliner continues its run of problem-plagued missions.

⬇️ The Flag, on an ISS hatch; Demo-2;  FiDO: WTF?!?!
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« Reply #3815 on: June 15, 2024, 10:11:23 AM »
Boeing Starliner

Ever get the feeling that things are looking a bit dodgy?

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« Reply #3816 on: June 15, 2024, 05:17:52 PM »
Boeing Starliner

Ever get the feeling that things are looking a bit dodgy?

When Eric Berger posted his poll for Starliner Launch: Go/NoGo
 
(See: https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2582.msg402337.html#msg402337),
 
I thought the odds were about 50/50.  But I decided the most likely scenario was that they would push through any problems and launch —- and then regret it. 
 
Not that I think delaying the launch would have improved the outcome….
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« Reply #3817 on: June 15, 2024, 05:43:20 PM »
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« Reply #3818 on: June 15, 2024, 08:42:43 PM »
( i didn't see this back in the day...)

Experience the thrill of a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch from the cockpit of an F-22 soaring over NASA’s Kennedy Space Center and the iconic Vehicle Assembly Building.



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« Reply #3819 on: June 17, 2024, 12:00:02 AM »
—- International Space Station
The next spacewalk at the International Space Station will be Monday, June 24, followed by another on Tuesday, July 2, after Thursday's spacewalk did not proceed due to a spacesuit discomfort issue. More: go.nasa.gov/3KJBtfk 
6/13/24, https://x.com/space_station/status/1801404819846140241
< Is that like a wardrobe malfunction?
➡️ pic.twitter.com/o3PyYUnowx  pic of the suited-up astros from more comfortable days
 
Michael Sheetz
I asked NASA what "spacesuit discomfort issue" means in context of today's postponed EVA, and whether it was specific to one or both spacesuits/astronauts.
Agency statement: "NASA is unable to provide additional details due to the crew member’s personal privacy."
6/13/24, https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1801407279452860667

NASA Provides Updated U.S. Spacewalk Dates
June 13, 2024
The June 24 spacewalk will focus on radio frequency group hardware removal, while the content of the July 2 spacewalk is under evaluation and will be shared as available. The crew members on the station are healthy, and spacesuits are functioning as expected.
https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2024/06/13/nasa-provides-updated-u-s-spacewalk-dates/

 
—- Starliner
Matthew Dominick
Timelapse video of aurora streaming behind Starliner taken from a Dragon window with Butch and Suni in the window of Starliner. Their flashlights light up the cabin.
0.5 second interval, f 1.4, 6400 ISO, 1/4 second exposure, 24mm lens.
30 sec.  ➡️ pic.twitter.com/gZuxYZu0Af 
   —-
Look carefully, and maybe pause the video to see Butch and Suni‘s faces in the cabin window. We were trying to get the lighting on their faces right to catch a view of them from the Dragon.
6/16/24, 12:23 PM https://x.com/dominickmatthew/status/1802376550257455255

===
A CNBC primer on the journey of Boeing's Starliner to launching NASA astronauts:
 
Why It Took Boeing A Decade To Launch NASA Astronauts On Starliner - YouTube
➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s4QX2H-3GI&feature=youtu.be
14 min jun 10 2024

——
Quote
Scott Manley
I was wondering whether the tablets that were used on Starliner would be iPads like everyone else, or Android....
 
They're windows tablets.
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/orx7cI1JUP  15 sec Clip from the Starliner tour, showing the tablets.
SM: Incidently, according to Sunita, the docking camera is displayed on the tablet, rather than the built in glass cockpit.
I won't be surprised if they used existing avionics that can't easily integrate camera views alongside normal displays.
 
> Never open Windows in space!
 
< Android still dominates the world.
SM: Linux dominates the world, android runs on top of Linux
6/8/24, https://x.com/djsnm/status/1799644806446256152

 
—- SpaceX - Falcon 9
Quote
Gav Cornwell @SpaceOffshore
Checking in with the SpaceX recovery fleet for clues, it looks like the Starlink 10-2 mission is standing down and the next mission from SLC-40 will be SES-24.
JRTI droneship appears to be heading to the expected LZ for SES and Doug looks to be returning to Port Canaveral.
6/15/24, 9:24 AM  https://x.com/spaceoffshore/status/1801969013045498278
➡️ pic.twitter.com/hvumvZqLxm  Tracker map

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Kiko Dontchev
Tough week dealing with production challenges and then a rare scrub at engine startup yesterday on [Starlink group] 10-2. Unfortunately there is a real issue so we need to go inspect the hardware in detail on this vehicle. Rocket will get set to the side and we’ll pivot to SES as the rocket and payload are ready to rock. Painful, but safety and reliability are the priority.
 
This will be the first week we’ve gone without a Falcon Launch in a long time. Unplanned downtime due to weather or unexpected issues happens, it’s how we respond that matters. The Launch business takes grit and when things go wrong, our true form comes to life.
 
Bring it on!!!
6/15/24, 9:55 AM. https://x.com/turkeybeaver/status/1801976838895313177
 
——
rykllan
#SpaceX's #Falcon9 & #FalconHeavy flightworthy boosters overview as of Jun 15, 2024
6/15/24, ➡️ https://x.com/_rykllan/status/1802031863264944459
Thread, with other infographics, including the ones below.  ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

—- Starship
Starship Gazer
The 4 corner columns of the Starbase Launch Tower 2 foundation level have been placed!
6/15/24, 9:02 AM  https://x.com/starshipgazer/status/1801963482083942547
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/aawhZvl2BJ  6/15/24

—-
Marcus House
Incredible New SpaceX Starship Flight 4 Info, and Great News from the FAA! - YouTube
22 min. Jun 15. Great review. Details re tiles being removed/replaced on the next ship.


—-
Everyday Astronaut
Part 1 of 2 w/ @elonmusk at Starbase will likely be over an hour long & will be your first look inside Starfactory! Waiting on approval, but it’ll hopefully come out by next week🤞As always, supporters will get 1st look to help catch any errors before it goes public!
6/12/24, https://x.com/erdayastronaut/status/1800928718615195926
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« Reply #3820 on: June 17, 2024, 03:53:27 PM »
i seriously doubt humans will ever 'go back' to the moon.
spacex obviously needs to hire some german nazis to run the program as this isn't working.

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« Reply #3821 on: June 17, 2024, 09:17:27 PM »
The FAA ✈️
Are you interested in the future of @SpaceX operations and the environmental impact? Join the FAA’s virtual meeting today at 6 PM ETbit.ly/3wuhKgc 
6/17/24, 10:00 AM  https://x.com/faanews/status/1802702886733746298
pic.twitter.com/BIBt9z6h24  Stack pic

 
—- Elon says Starship test flight 5 aiming for late July with a Booster catch attempt.
➡️ pic.twitter.com/aymueWIuRL  1 min.  Render: Mechazilla catching Starship 🤩
 
Elon Musk
Aiming to try this in late July!
6/15/24, 12:19 PM  https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1802013136494727637
 
 
——-
The new 2X stronger heat shield tiles and the new secondary ablative layer are currently being applied to Starship 30 in preparation for test flight 5. Let's Go!
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/6pqSFLlLP3  6/17/24 Two closeup pics.  One below.
 
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/FcmanWgiE6 Starship 30 - June 16, 2024

➡️ pic.twitter.com/BWeOxqfGNM  1 min.  Wall sections are slid into place between the tower columns, and The Biggest Crane Yet is assembled in the background.  (The sections for Tower 2 are larger/heavier/more fully assembled than the ones were for the first tower.)

 
—- Starlink will soon be offering a Mini “backpack-size” dish that incorporates wifi within it.
It will cost about half as much as the current dish, and will be available on an “as needed” subscription, making it a handy backup when your landline or cable internet goes out.
 
“Starlink Mini to 'change the world', will cost half as much and offer up to 100Mbps”
Article on 𝕏.
6/17/24,  ➡️ https://x.com/techau/status/1802620624269152559
 
28.9x24.8 cm (11.4″ x 9.8″)
The router supports 2.4 and 5 GHz
23ms latency. 100Mbps.
From: https://x.com/olegkutkov/status/1802635761071603885

Elon Musk comments:
- It’s awesome. Will have massive demand in lower income parts of the world.
6/16/24, https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1802529829826523209
 
- About half the price of the standard dish to buy and monthly subscription, but you can still watch multiple 4k video streams simultaneously!
 
- Rolls out to select areas in a few months.
 
< The latency results is what is crazy! This is faster than some terrestrial Internet providers.
- Yes, better ping than many cable Internet connections
 
- I just set it up right now and am writing this post through space.
Took less than 5 mins. Easily carried in a backpack.
This product will change the world.
6/17/24, 1:03 AM  https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1802567759835844838

 
—- Other Recent Headlines
Quote
Apple expanding satellite messaging service, saying its iOS 18 will add iMessage and SMS texting in addition to its previous Emergency SOS service. – Via Satellite

DOD plans to buy more than 100 of SpaceX’s Starshield satellites, which the U.S. military will own and control. – SpaceNews

Spire and European groups developing air traffic surveillance service, with a plan to use satellites to help broadcast aircraft data in real time. – Spire

Redwire to provide Roll-Out Solar Array (ROSA) wings for Thales’ satellites, specifically the company’s coming line of GEO telecom “Space Inspire” satellites. – Redwire …
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/13/investing-in-space-virgin-galactic-enters-spaceflight-hiatus.html

 
—- Vast signs cargo services agreement with Europe-based TEC (The Exploration Company), for a 2028 mission to Vast’s second planned Haven private space station.
 
Vast signs with The Exploration Company for second Haven space station cargo services
https://www.vastspace.com/updates/vast-signs-with-the-exploration-company-for-second-haven-space-station-cargo-services

Vast is building Haven-1, the world’s first private space station slated to launch no earlier than August 2025. Vast is developing their future Haven space station to serve NASA’s Commercial LEO Destinations (CLD) program. Vast’s long term goal is to build low-cost artificial gravity crewed stations so people can live and work in space for long periods of time without the adverse effects of zero-gravity. 
‍
www.vastspace.com

 
—- Stoke Space ignites its ambitious main engine for the first time
"This industry is going toward full reusability. To me, that is the inevitable end state."
Eric Berger - 6/11/2024
Quote
"Data point one is that the engine is still there."

… full-flow, stage-combustion technology…

The company intends for the two-stage Nova rocket to be fully reusable, with both stages returning to Earth.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/stoke-space-ignites-its-ambitious-main-engine-for-the-first-time/

 
—- Virgin Galactic has ceased flying its only space plane. Now what?
This is a bold bet on the future, but it's by no means a certain one.
Eric Berger - 6/10/2024
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On Saturday, the VSS Unity space plane made its final flight, carrying four passengers to an altitude of 54.4 miles (87.5 km) above the New Mexico desert. The spacecraft will now be retired after just seven commercial space flights, all made within the last year.

Although the flight was characterized by its chief executive Michael Colglazier as a "celebratory moment" for Virgin Galactic, the company now finds itself at a crossroads.

After an impressive but brief flurry of spaceflight activity—seven human spaceflights in a year, even to suborbital space, is unprecedented for a private company—Virgin Galactic will now be grounded again for at least two years. That's because Colglazier and Virgin Galactic are betting it all on the development of a future "Delta class" of spaceships modeled on VSS Unity. …
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/virgin-galactic-has-ceased-flying-its-only-space-plane-now-what/

 
—- M/V Harvey Stone, apparently a recovery ship for Blue Origin, seen at Port Canaveral
 
➡️ 6/5/24, https://x.com/spaceoffshore/status/1798410794322763810
 
➡️ 6/7/24, https://x.com/spaceoffshore/status/1799109259033985236
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« Reply #3822 on: June 18, 2024, 01:33:44 AM »
SpaceX
Targeting tomorrow for two Falcon 9 launches from Florida and California → spacex.com/launches
6/17/24, 6:07 PM. https://x.com/spacex/status/1802825422549418305
  —
Up first, Falcon 9 will launch the @SES_Satellites ASTRA 1P mission from Space Launch Complex 40 in Florida → http://spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=astra1p
 
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/2SmzZi0s0R  The satellite in an open fairing.
 
Quote
June 18 Falcon 9 • Astra 1P
Launch time: Window 5:35-8:24 p.m. EDT (2135-0024 UTC)
Launch site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida
A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch Astra 1P, a wide-beam satellite, into geostationary Earth orbit for Luxembourg-based SES. The Ku-band satellite, also known as SES-24, will operate at the 19.2° East position. It’s designed to provide television transmission services for about 119 million homes across Europe, specifically in France, Germany and Spain. Following stage separation, the Falcon 9 first stage booster will land on the droneship, ‘Just Read the Instructions.’
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

   —-
Later that night, Falcon 9 will launch 20 @Starlink satellites to orbit from California → https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=sl-9-1
 
Quote
June 18/19 Falcon 9 • Starlink 9-1
Launch time: Window opens at 8 p.m. PDT (11 p.m. EDT, 0300 UTC)
Launch site: SLC-4E, Vandenberg Space Force Base, California
A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch a batch of Starlink V2 Mini satellites to low Earth orbit. More than eight minutes after liftoff, the first stage booster will land on the droneship, ‘Of Course I Still Love You.’ Delayed from June 13.
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

 
—- Starliner Landing Team Rehearsal
Quote
NASA HQ PHOTO
.@NASA and @BoeingSpace teams held a Mission Dress Rehearsal overnight in New Mexico to prepare for the return of #Starliner. More 📷: flic.kr/s/aHBqjBoSpk
 
6/16/24, https://x.com/nasahqphoto/status/1802433997525360762
 
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/qr1xOxjMbQ Distant photo
 
⬇️  Close-up, from the flickr account.

A Dress Rehearsal using a Starliner-shaped balloon.  Covered with another balloon….  (Probably an attempt to keep the temperature from soaring inside the capsule in the desert heat.)
 
But I’d much rather see them practicing the opening of the actual hatch, since they struggled with that in earlier tests, and it’s rather more important now that there will be actual crew inside….
 
At least if they can land as scheduled (at night), the desert heat should be less intense.

Calypso is now set to land at 6:26am EDT (10:26 UTC) on June 22
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« Reply #3823 on: June 18, 2024, 09:30:15 PM »
—- ISS EVAs
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US EVA-90: NASA says Tracy Dyson and Mike Barratt will carry out the rescheduled EVA-90 on June 24; Dyson and Matt Dominick initially attempted the spacewalk on June 13, but the excursion was called off due to a "spacewalk discomfort issue;" no details were provided in today's announcement and Dominick's name was not mentioned.
   —-
US EVA-90: The goals of the spacewalk remain the same, i.e., retrieval of an S-band radio and antenna assembly and collection of samples from the station's hull to find out if microbes have managed to get outside and survive in the harsh space environment;

a second EVA is planned for July 2 to replace a gyro assembly, to relocate an antenna needed by commercial crew ships and to inspect the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer in preparation for a future upgrade; the astronauts for that EVA have not yet been named.
6/18/24, 11:56 AM https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1803094484068049171

 
From today’s news briefing:
 
They already had a suit prepared for Mike, so decided to go with that EVA next.  Will investigate/address Matt’s issue (whatever it was) via a longer pre-EVA suit check next time. Also, have decided to reduce from a planned 3 EVAs to 2, due to Starliner schedule change and shortage of water oxygen for the suits until Cygnus brings up more this summer.  Starliner undock takes priority over EVAs.

NASA-Boeing CFT Status Teleconference - YouTube
12pm tue jun 18. 1h34m
➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXDedBlyBI&feature=youtu.be

Starliner CFT: Boeing's Starliner capsule will remain docked to the International Space Station an additional four days, returning to Earth with a pre-dawn landing at White Sands, New Mexico, on June 26 to close out an extended 20-day test flight, the first with astronauts aboard.
Undocking is targeted for 10:10pm EDT (0210 UTC) on June 25, setting up a pre-dawn landing at 4:51am ET on June 26
6/18/24, 12:24 PM  https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1803101399984566456
2:51am Mountain Time.  At White Sands.

My Notes:
They are using the additional days for more tests….
Starliner return possibilities occur every four days.  This is dependent on:  the ISS orbit track; the “fixed position” of their landing sites in the SW US;  Starliner’s ability to maneuver left or right by only about 50 miles;  wind conditions;  and the need for a backup opportunity between 24 or 36 hours later in case of a wave-off.

“Just spent this 90 min briefing discussing Starliner problems”, yet they still feel the vehicle is safe for the return trip.  Will do all the testing they can while docked to the ISS, in conditions they can’t replicate on the ground.  Since the Service Module is jettisoned and burns up during reentry, they don’t get it back to examine those thrusters and valves.  They’ll do more testing on the ground;  they theorize that different types/amounts of thruster firings during flight may cause the various problems they’ve seen.  One remedy might be to design a “less aggressive” ISS rendezvous profile for Starliner.

They won’t say yet if these problems might delay Starliner certification past the tentative early 2025 date for the Starliner-1 operational flight. Right now, they’re working hard on the existing problems.  Gave the teams off last weekend (Father’s Day).

Why did it take so long for Butch and Suni to open the hatch and enter the space station?
It’s a hatch.  It’s free-floating. You want to be careful.  Starliner hatch-opening includes inspection, covering, stowing. “Nothing wrong, just great to see them floating through the hatch for the first time.”

Why do the safe haven test again?  Repeating because “there was a glitch when powering up electrical system for the first time.”  A problem when connecting the batteries to electrical bus.  So we adjusted procedures.
{They did the whole test over for that?}

 
—- Starlink News
Elon Musk
 
Starlink just achieved a new internal median latency record of 28ms yesterday!
Great work by the engineering and operations teams.
6/2/24, https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1797282250574184587
 
—-
• 700+ Aircraft committed with Starlink
• 180+ Aircraft flying globally with Starlink
• 90,000+ flight hours
• 52,000+ flights
• 350 MBPS average download speeds
• 59 ms average latency worldwide
6/3/24, https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1797715843662643648
 
Elon Musk: Median latency for Starlink Internet in the US will get below 20ms

—-
Quote
Starlink
Starlink is available in Sierra Leone! 🛰️🇸🇱❤️ → starlink.com/map?country=SL
6/11/24, https://x.com/starlink/status/1800601843376279871
  —-
This marks the 100th country, territory or other market around the world where Starlink’s high-speed, low-latency internet is available
6/11/24, https://x.com/starlink/status/1800603222861889965
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/BiGHAmXgwv  15 sec animated world map adds countries starting 2020
Africa, middle east, greenland are “coming soon”

—-
Quote
Michael Nicolls
Quite a month for @Starlink thanks to Falcon’s accelerating launch pace!
+ 11 launches
+ 221 Ku satellites – over 20 Tbps of fronthaul capacity
+ 26 direct to cell satellites – over 8% of the sats needed for initial direct-to-cell service
6/1/24, https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1796875064413204847
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/pwUj8kdWUj  Graph

 
—- < Will Vulcan be able to lift a crewed Dream Chaser to LEO?
Quote
Tory Bruno
 
Of course.  And so can Atlas.  Starliner is not being carried all the way to LEO by Atlas because NASA asked us not to.  The suborbital trajectory was designed to maximize Crew safety.  This eliminates even the possibility that an anomaly could place the capsule in an orbit from which it could neither de-orbit, nor raise to ISS, even if its own propulsion were not working.  It also eliminates any locations along the Atlas flight profile where g-loads would preclude a safe capsule abort separation in the event of a LV anomaly.
6/4/24, https://x.com/torybruno/status/1797950044135374995
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« Reply #3824 on: June 19, 2024, 03:29:02 PM »
The @SES_Satellites ASTRA 1P mission was scrubbed yesterday due to wind.  But today’s forecast is even worse, so it’s understandable that they tried.
 
Still, sometimes the weather gods provide a brief opening….  Today’s attempt is set for 5:35 PM EDT.

Space TFRs
… there is a 60% chance of launch constraints due to a moisture increase with showers. This worsens the likelihood of a launch attempt, as safe conditions become less favorable. pic.twitter.com/wcEfr2CcJC   
6/18/24, 9:30 PM. https://x.com/spacetfrs/status/1803238805119336587

 
—- Starliner
Quote
Spaceflight Now
 
16/ Lammers says no later than June 24, they will bring the flight control team back in to power up the vehicle and load cargo. The spacecraft "will essentially be idling, waiting for undocking day." About three hours prior to departure, they'll close the hatch and do some leak checks.
 
Here's a brief overview of the undock and landing process:
6/18/24, 12:41 PM. https://x.com/spaceflightnow/status/1803105766888325288
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/3WjGGcGSPj   2 min. After undock, Starliner will do a flyaround of the ISS, taking high-def photos as it moves to a position below the station. Then deorbit and land.
 
The narrated animation shows the bits that come off Starliner during EDL (which is the reason the recovery team must stay 4km away from the landing site):
 
Service Module (~40 min before landing)
Two Small Parachutes, drag the Forward heat shield away from Starliner (to begin parachute deploy sequence, ~ 4.5 min before touchdown)
Seconds later, Drogue parachutes
3:30 before landing, main parachutes (3)deployment. (“Bucket handle” at the top of the capsule releases to level out the spacecraft. 😯 )
Base heat shield separates at about 3,000 feet up (allowing air bags to inflate with nitrogen ~30 sec later)
 
(Per a previous briefing, Butch/Suni activate the chute detachment themselves after touchdown and shut down the spacecraft.  Then communicate with recovery team via satphone. [A Starlink antenna was seen with the team during prior tests….])

Doug Hurley has joked that while waiting for the Dragon recovery team to do their thing after the Demo-2 splashdown, he was “prank calling” people to test out the satphone kept in Dragon for emergencies.  The spacecraft’s regular comms worked fine.

 
—- Almost 1% of Australia's entire population uses SpaceX's Starlink. 
6/19/24, https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1803305015341175211
 
< Neil Bolton @NeilBoltonRSPL
It’s a no-brainer here - internet in remote areas in Australia is challenging. Even non-remote - I live 13kms from Parliament House and Starlink is the only reliable option. I turned it on three years ago and haven’t touched it since.
  
 
—- Starship / Starbase
 
Genna Hammer
06.17.2024 - Close up of tiles being placed on ship 30
#starship #starbase #spacex
6/18/24, 12:51 PM. https://x.com/genna_hammer/status/1803108375632154755
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/HDW9wmlfPo  2 min major zoom.

 
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Sheriff Eric Garza
 
From the Cameron County Judge's Office: SpaceX's latest economic stats reveal significant investments in Cameron County. SpaceX's vision, including the ambitious Starship spacecraft project, has driven major economic growth in recent years.
6/18/24, 11:38 AM https://x.com/sheriffgarza/status/1803089804768223543
⬇️ ➡️ pic.twitter.com/HS9OxGGZFR  Infographic below. Textpic of a letter at the link.
 
“Cameron County has always prioritized and supported the development of critical infrastructure, and as such is the only county in the United States with six (6) modes of transportation; seaport, air, road, rail, pipeline and space.”

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Abhi Tripathi @SpaceAbhi
A few thoughts from me in this article by @wapodavenport
6/18/24, https://x.com/spaceabhi/status/1803155059901079975
 
New heroes of spaceflight: Not the astronauts but the software nerds
Christian Davenport
A revolution in spacecraft technology means today’s in-flight problem solvers tend to be more ‘Geeks on Call’ than ‘Right Stuff.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/06/11/space-heroes-software-engineer/
 
Gift link, if needed: https://wapo.st/3VysjHs  For a limited time.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3825 on: June 19, 2024, 10:06:28 PM »
     NOPE.
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Due to ongoing unfavorable weather at the launch and recovery sites, now targeting Thursday, June 20 for Falcon 9’s launch of the @SES_Satellites ASTRA 1P mission from Florida. The ~3-hour window opens at 5:35 p.m. ET → spacex.com/launches
6/19/24, 2:10 PM https://x.com/spacex/status/1803490501628498334


—- US Rural internet program that dumped Starlink has not connected a single home three years after enactment
 
Americans still waiting on Biden broadband plan; rural high-speed internet stuck in Dems’ red tape
“The program is really a 2025, 2026 shovels-in-the-ground project.”
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Residents in rural America are eager to access high-speed internet under a $42.5 billion federal modernization program, but not a single home or business has been connected to new broadband networks nearly three years after President Biden signed the funding into law, and no project will break ground until sometime next year.
 
Lawmakers and internet companies blame the slow rollout on burdensome requirements for obtaining the funds, including climate change mandates, preferences for hiring union workers and the requirement that eligible companies prioritize the employment of “justice-impacted” people with criminal records to install broadband equipment.

The slow pace of funding allocation and compliance will push the project start dates for modernizing rural internet access to 2025 and 2026, according to a timeline officials outlined in a House budget hearing. …
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jun/18/bidens-425-billion-rural-high-speed-internet-plan-/

FCC commissioner hits Biden admin for $42 billion in unspent high speed internet funds
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. . . Last Friday, in a post on X, Carr said the holdup is due to a "partisan political agenda" that says includes, "climate change mandates, tech biases, DEI requirements, favoring government-run networks + more."
 
The Republican commissioner further blasted the Biden administration over the Democrat majority at the FCC's move in 2022 to revoke the $800 million awarded to Elon Musk's Starlink under the Trump administration, which he says would have brought high-speed internet service to 642,000 rural locations.
 
“Here, we've got $42 billion, and we've got no shovels in the ground – nobody connected at all." …
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/fcc-commissioner-hits-out-biden-admin-status-high-speed-internet-projects

 
—- NSF is in New Zealand for Rocket Lab’s 50th launch.
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Peter Beck
50th launch next week - we’re on track to reach 50 faster than any commercially developed rocket in history.
⬇️  pic.twitter.com/i0sjhGaah8
6/12/24, 8:53 PM  https://x.com/peter_j_beck/status/1801055359211065589
 
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We’ve shown up in force for @RocketLab’s 50th launch here in New Zealand. Max (@_mgde_), Brendan (@brendan_gully) and I are not messing around. #NoTimeToulouse  ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/taKuW9kJFY 
6/19/24, 4:03 AM  https://x.com/thejackbeyer/status/1803337775510688221
 
< How much was all of that
JB: Too much. Just the baggage fees to get my portion of it all here was hundreds of dollars. Worth it.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3826 on: June 20, 2024, 07:39:25 PM »
Rocket Lab’s livestream is up.

Rocket Lab - 'No Time Toulouse' Launch - YouTube



Jack Beyer @thejackbeyer
Electron stands ready to launch its 50th mission tonight from Mahia, New Zealand. Here are some images from remote camera setup. Once again my deepest thanks to @RocketLab for the opportunity to document this milestone launch. #NoTimeToulouse
6/20/24, 12:40 PM https://x.com/thejackbeyer/status/1803830241774989649
➡️ pic.twitter.com/WloeJDlZjo  rocket pics

Eric Berger
⁦‪@SciGuySpace‬⁩
With today's flight, Rocket Lab will set the record for shortest time between a private company's first and 50th orbital launch. It also will continue its record-breaking pace of awesome mission names.
6/20/24, 1:38 PM https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1803844862262878509
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3827 on: June 22, 2024, 03:02:10 AM »
Eric Berger:
Friday night news dump!
—- NASA is delaying the return of Starliner to some time in July to study more data from the spacecraft’s propulsion system.
 
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William Harwood
Starliner CFT: No new problems have surfaced since the June 26 date was announced eight days earlier, and Starliner commander Butch Wilmore and Sunita Williams are still cleared to undock and fly home at anytime if a station malfunction or other issue crops up that requires a quick exit; as such, they are not "stranded" in space
 —-
Starliner CFT: The helium leakage and the thrusters in question are located in the Starliner's service module, which will be jettisoned to burn up in the atmosphere during re-entry; given that engineers will not be able to examine the actual hardware, managers want to give them as much time as possible to complete a thorough data review/assessment
6/21/24, 8:12 PM https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1804306405995725073
 
Christian Davenport:
"We'll land when we're ready" is the new "We'll fly when we're ready."
6/21/24, https://x.com/wapodavenport/status/1804318927205359619

NASA, Boeing Adjust Timeline for Starliner Return
https://blogs.nasa.gov/boeing-crew-flight-test/2024/06/21/nasa-boeing-adjust-timeline-for-starliner-return/
 
 
—- Rocket Lab’s 50th launch a success
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/tCxRPsRQ0H 
 
Tim Fernholz
As @RocketLab's Electron sets a new record for the fastest commercial rocket to reach 50 launches, I spoke to @Peter_J_Beck about how his company won the small launch race—and how they'll compete with SpaceX.
6/20/24, 3:27 PM  https://x.com/timfernholz/status/1803872358937272402
 
Nifty Fifty: How Rocket Lab’s Electron Set A New Speed Record
By Tim Fernholz June 20, 2024
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On our way to the next fifty Electron launches, when do you think we’ll see our first reuse?
 
Candidly…the most important thing is to not interrupt the production team with new things and just keep the production rate of Electron where it needs to be to support the manifest best this year. [Electron reuse] is not that important to the business on a margin standpoint, or at this point, even from a technology standpoint. The reusability team and the recovery team are 100% directed and focused on other things, mainly Neutron, of course. …
https://payloadspace.com/nifty-fifty-how-rocket-labs-electron-set-a-new-speed-record/
 
Abhi Tripathi @SpaceAbhi
This is the right strategic decision. Work on Electron is an opportunity cost drag. In space hardware companies, don't waste disproportionate time/people on dead end products even if you have customers that love that dead end product and are throwing money at you.
6/21/24, https://x.com/spaceabhi/status/1804246476291461139

 
—- BREAKING: U.S. telecom giant Comcast has signed a first of its kind deal with SpaceX’s Starlink — to provide satellite-based connectivity to business customers in regions with limited network access, they announced today.
Comcast has 2.5M business customers for broadband in U.S.
6/21/24, 2:30 PM https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1804220425305526716
 
Comcast, Starlink sign deal to provide satellite-based connectivity to businesses
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The deal is the first of its kind between a network operator and a satellite network to provide space-based connectivity to enterprise customers.
The move further cements Starlink’s lead in satellite-based communication networks, ahead of emerging competition from Amazon.com’s Kuiper and Viasat, among others. …
https://wincountry.com/2024/06/21/comcast-starlink-sign-deal-to-provide-satellite-based-connectivity-to-businesses/

 
—- Starship
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06.20.2024 - Writing on the Wall
Close up of ship 30 after tiles for this section have mostly been placed. Shorthand, markups, and words can be seen all over, most near visible anomalies. Reading their writing is a highlight in the building process
#spacex #starship #starbase
6/21/24, https://x.com/genna_hammer/status/1804079149079789610
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/ngzspaUxAV  4 pics

 
—- SpaceX applied yesterday for a communications permit for Starship's next flight.
As expected, SpaceX leaves the possibility for this mission to feature a booster catch. However... there's more information regarding Ship updates attached to this that's very interesting.

6/21/24
Thread: https://x.com/alexphysics13/status/1804152603833450815
 Or:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1804152603833450815.html

Also:
Moving into the Thirties: What's New on Starship 30?
https://ringwatchers.com/article/s30-updates

—-
Ryan Hansen Space
It appears that #SpaceX will be using the #SuperHeavy14.1 test article at the launch site to verify the systems needed for catching Super Heavy Boosters are ready ahead of #Starship Flight 5 which is slated to include a Booster catch attempt.
6/21/24, https://x.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1804238533085044971
⬇️  pic.twitter.com/QrEin1cf4Q  Sharp render of chopsticks and booster top, from above.
 
Pic of the real things:
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/xYduf7qXng

Ryan Hansen Space has a sharp render animation showing how the inner rails of the chopsticks and pistons for cushioning could catch the booster, allowing the landing rails to take the load and slow its fall.
➡️ pic.twitter.com/ZKvjnTiZ0V   25 sec.
 
6/21/24, https://x.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1804292588981149820
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3828 on: June 22, 2024, 03:51:09 AM »
Eric Berger
Here's my story on the latest (of several) delays to the return of Boeing's Starliner spacecraft.
 
NASA indefinitely delays return of Starliner to review propulsion data
You can check out any time you like —
Eric Berger - 6/21/2024, 9:27 PM
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In an update released late Friday evening, NASA said it was "adjusting" the date of the Starliner spacecraft's return to Earth from June 26 to an unspecified time in July.

The announcement followed two days of long meetings to review the readiness of the spacecraft, developed by Boeing, to fly NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams to Earth. According to sources these meetings included high-level participation from senior leaders at the agency, including associate administrator Jim Free.

Just a few days ago, on Tuesday, officials from NASA and Boeing set a return date to Earth for June 26. But that was before a series of meetings on Thursday and Friday during which mission managers were to review findings about two significant issues with the Starliner spacecraft: five separate leaks in the helium system that pressurizes Starliner's propulsion system and the failure of five of the vehicle's 28 reaction-control system thrusters as Starliner approached the station.

The NASA update did not provide any information about deliberations during these meetings, but it is clear that the agency's leaders were not able to get comfortable with all contingencies that Wilmore and Williams might encounter during a return flight to Earth, including safely undocking from the space station, maneuvering away, performing a de-orbit burn, separating the crew capsule from the service module, and then flying through the planet's atmosphere before landing under parachutes in a New Mexico desert.


However, this vehicle is only rated for a 45-day stay at the space station, and that clock began ticking on June 6. Moreover, it is not optimal that NASA feels the need to continue delaying the vehicle to get comfortable with its performance on the return journey to Earth. During a pair of news conferences since Starliner docked to the station officials have downplayed the overall seriousness of these issues—repeatedly saying Starliner is cleared to come home "in case of an emergency." But they have yet to fully explain why they are not yet comfortable with releasing Starliner to fly back to Earth under normal circumstances.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/

< “Hi Elon, NASA here. Could you do us a solid and pick up our guys please?”
 
> … The only path to “success” for the managers involved is to do everything possible to limp this thing home with the crew on board, with as few additional public embarrassments as possible. It makes perfect sense that they are going through the data with a fine-tooth comb. …
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« Reply #3829 on: June 23, 2024, 12:27:33 AM »
This cuck keeps bootlicking Musk after being demoted from Moon Astronaut to being again a plebeian Youtuber. Amazing.


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« Reply #3830 on: June 23, 2024, 02:21:07 AM »
—- Starliner
Christian Davenport
"We'll land when we're ready" is the new "We'll fly when we're ready."
6/21/24, https://x.com/wapodavenport/status/1804318927205359619

Loren Grush
Waiting for a Starliner landing date is the new waiting for a Starliner launch date
6/21/24, https://x.com/lorengrush/status/1804309554181628298
 
 
—- Polaris Dawn
 
< We are getting very close to the Polaris Dawn launch, NET July 12th. Are you still targeting July 12th?
 
Jared Isaacman
It won't be too long after the NET date. We will provide updates soon but we are getting really close.  All major joint sims are complete. We have final suit ATP tests this week in the chamber, then refresher sims right before entering quarantine. It is bittersweet, we spent 2+ years training together and that is about to end.
6/22/24, https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1804542451065008313

 
—- Video: Tim Dodd tours Starbase with Elon Musk, the day before Flight 4
Everyday Astronaut
Join @elonmusk for a tour inside @SpaceX's Starbase and the brand new Starfactory. This video was shot the day before Flight 4, on June 5th, 2024. Part 2 comes out next week!  pic.twitter.com/0YsIYelGq5 
6/22/24, https://x.com/erdayastronaut/status/1804530882528661588

First Look Inside SpaceX's Starfactory w/ Elon Musk - YouTube

 
64 min.  Lots of nerdy details.  (Lil X and other kids are running around and trying to interrupt, for the first few minutes. Don’t despair.)

Some notes:
Long term goal:  1,000 ships a year.  Maybe not all here.  This factory is capable of 100 a year.  A ship every three days.

Currently making 200 Falcon upper stages a year. Probably more than that next year. That was unbelievable not long ago. 
 
We’re at maybe V1.6, 1.7 of Starship today.  Still testing, working out the details.  But no one has ever built a fully reusable orbital rocket before, so we are in uncharted territory.  To be a true spacefaring civilization, we need full and rapidly reusable rockets.
I call it rapidly reusable reliable rockets.  There is no point in an expendable rocket. 

If you can do 200 tons reusable, you can do double that expendable.  400 tons.

Toughest remaining problem is a rapidly reusable orbital heat shield.  No one’s ever built one before. Shuttle was close, but it took months, and thousands of people, to refurbish.  Goal for the rest of this year is to get through the high heating so the heat shield survives.

Heat shield. Have booster come back and be caught by the tower.  And ship come back and be caught by the tower.  Those are the three big things we need to happen.  That’s what’s needed for full reusability.  THE PAYLOAD FOR THIS YEAR IS DATA.  Not satellites. 

Nosecone, black with with spots or tags.  EM: we’re checking each tile, making sure it’s well-seated and not cracked. We’re continuing to iterate on the mounting point. 99% of the time it works well. Need to determine if the 1% is due to a cracked tile, or another problem.  It’s a snap-on. You pretty much have to break the tile to pull it off. That’s meant to go on and stay on.

Hundreds of changes after each flight.  At the detail level, thousands for each flight. That’s hardware, across booster/ship/engines.  There’s also software changes, of course.  But a very small change can be a big deal. Tim: and then fly two months later!

Understand: we’re still in testing. Early tests were learning how to work with stainless steel and liquid methane. And using the first Full Flow Staged Combustion Engine as the engine.
 
All a lot of people saw was a flight: did it land or not land — but we were trying to figure out:  how do we work with steel? How do we work with methane as a fuel? And a total new engine architecture.  New flaps. Need very powerful actuators for the flaps. It’s like an airplane moving its wings.
 
We use Tesla motors to actuate the grid fins.  And the flaps on the ship.
We try not to use hydraulics.  It’s all electric actuation.  The engines are also gimbaled electrically. I think there’s actually no hydraulics in the vehicle, except some very tiny little part.  There’s pneumatics. (Tim: yeah, valves and stuff)

And all the engine-to-vehicle interactions are very complicated.  You don’t see all that when you fire an engine on the test stand.  Whole different interactions in flight than when you are testing on the ground.
Tim: different orientation, different G-forces. Zero-G.
EM: there’s no test stand that can test a rocket at 17,000 miles an hour doing 6 G’s, in every different orientation. So you do as much as you can on the ground, then you gotta fly it.  You use simulations, but a lot of things are missing from reality in simulations.

There’s a bunch of engines down there. (Screencap ⬇️ ). Each one is the most advanced rocket engine ever made. FFSC engine.

This version of the engines look “much cleaner than they used to” — hardly anything visible above the bell — and these are not V3.
We eliminated a bunch of welded and bolted joints.  Especially want to get rid of the bolts.  Bolts, flanges and seals are hell. Especially if they are hot.
The next gen raptor is a bit difficult to service, because there are parts that don’t have a flange any more, it’s just welded shut. If you need to change a part, you have to literally cut it open. Tim: swap the engine?  EM: no, we can cut it open. (Laughs.).
I mean, you can see a lot of flanges here.  Flange, Flange, Flange, Flange. Beast level flanges.

Turning a corner — Tim: “Holy crap, it just keeps going”.  Now with air conditioning. EM: “There’s more behind that wall.”

Orbital Refilling will be docking to ourselves.  That’s much easier than docking to the space station, and we do that a lot.
Tim:  Orbital fuel depot?  EM: to go to the moon, may not need one. Send a ship up, send tankers immediately.  And your boil-off rate will not be too bad.  Can’t use atmosphere to brake on the Moon. Don’t need flaps or heat shield. Need very little thrust. But you do need pretty big landing legs. So in case one leg lands on a boulder and one lands on a crater, you don’t want to tip over.

⬇️ Second image:  Header tank (for landing), surrounded by COPVs.  “Gotta pressurize the header tank with something, and the engine’s not on.”
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Awesome. Such tall piles of metal for nothing.

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—- ISS EVA scrubbed
Jeff Foust
NASA confirms today's ISS spacewalk has been called off after some kind of water leak in the airlock. Two scrubbed spacewalks in a row for NASA on ISS.

William Harwood
@cbs_spacenews
US EVA-90: With the Quest airlock down to vacuum and the outer hatch open, Dyson and Barratt switched their spacesuits to battery power ~845am EDT (1245 UTC) but a moment later, Dyson reported "water everywhere," apparently coming from an airlock fitting; the astronauts have reconnected their suits to station power; not yet clear what the problem is but today's spacewalk has been called off
6/24/24, 8:52 AM https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1805222521458876727

US EVA-90: NASA's spacewalk commentator in mission control at the Johnson Space Center: "The spacewalk for today has been cancelled due to a spacesuit cooling unit water loop leak that began right after the suits were put on internal battery power. The crew is now moving back into the (inner) airlock and closing that EV hatch. Then they will begin the repressurization process" 
 
US EVA-90: Dyson and Barratt are still in the outer section of the Quest airlock; the outer hatch has been closed and both astronauts are now re-connected to space station power, air and water; that stopped the water leakage from Dyson's suit; the crew does not appear to be in any danger; engineers are troubleshooting; Dyson tells mission control "it's a little snowy in here, but not as bad as it was. ... I have ice on my gloves still and on my helmet a little bit" 
 
US EVA-90: Dyson and Barratt are still in the outer section of the Quest airlock; the outer hatch has been closed and both astronauts are now re-connected to space station power, air and water; that stopped the water leakage from Dyson's suit; the crew does not appear to be in any danger; engineers are troubleshooting; Dyson tells mission control "it's a little snowy in here, but not as bad as it was. ... I have ice on my gloves still and on my helmet a little bit"

   —-
NASA tells Mike he now holds the record for the shortest EVA — although the other record for the shortest “complete EVA” still stands.

 
NASA wants the astronauts assisting with the airlock and suit procedures to check how much water has been lost from the station’s suit cooling system, and to use towels to wipe down the suits and the airlock. 
 
{Maybe Cygnus will need to bring up more water on its next flight, as well as the oxygen as noted above….}
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