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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #550 on: September 06, 2019, 08:26:32 PM »
Air-cooled, hybrid battery system... with regenerative braking.  So the solution is for everyone to make Priuses now?

Bosch seals car battery deal with China's CATL in hybrid drive
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r-bosch-catl-alliance/bosch-seals-car-battery-deal-with-chinas-catl-in-hybrid-drive-idUSKCN1VQ1KJ

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Asian cities turn to electric vehicles in anti-pollution drive
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Only seven Asian countries have transport emission reduction targets under the Paris Agreement on climate change, but many cities in the region are now taking action, said Madan Regmi, at the United Nations social agency for the Asia-Pacific (UNESCAP).

“Authorities are realizing that they can extend metro lines and convert to electric-powered buses that not only lower emissions, but also reduce congestion and improve air quality,” he said at a U.N. climate event in Bangkok.  “Cities are also adding infrastructure for walking and cycling, which are seen as key to improved liveability.”

The world’s 100 most polluted cities are largely in Asia - with India and China dominating, according to an air quality report published by Greenpeace this year.  Tackling the problem, Shenzhen in China’s southeast, said last year that its entire bus fleet of more than 16,000 buses had gone electric - the biggest such fleet in the world.

Beijing has also greatly improved its air quality by switching to clean energy vehicles, Regmi said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-asia-climatechange-transportation/asian-cities-turn-to-electric-vehicles-in-anti-pollution-drive-idUSKCN1VR0M3
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« Reply #551 on: September 06, 2019, 10:21:55 PM »
^^
Shenzhen, as well as having the world's largest E-bus fleet (>16,000) is also served by taxis, 99% of which are electric, Subways, Light-Rail, Medium Speed Rail & High Speed Rail. :)
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« Reply #552 on: September 07, 2019, 07:51:27 AM »
Will Germany's car industry survive? | DW Documentary


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« Reply #553 on: September 07, 2019, 12:52:51 PM »
Will Germany's car industry survive? | DW Documentary


Excellent documentary!  “The German auto industry is a victim of its own success.”
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« Reply #554 on: September 08, 2019, 08:47:24 PM »
Will Germany's car industry survive? | DW Documentary


Excellent documentary!  “The German auto industry is a victim of its own success.”

More and more the electric engine is looking like one of those discontinuous technological changes which destroys the competitive advantage of the incumbents (producing ICEs), while at the same time making those previous advantages into weights holding them down, and makes it much simpler for new entrants (the "ICE has 20000 parts, an EV 2000" point in the video was very telling). The next 5-10 years are going to be more eventful for the automobile industry than the last 50.

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« Reply #555 on: September 09, 2019, 12:37:17 AM »
Interesting 4 way face off.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-vs-toyota-supra-audi-e-tron-jaguar-i-pace-race-video/amp/

Looks like tha French translation of the Audi name might be a fit....
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« Reply #556 on: September 09, 2019, 05:30:13 PM »
This article, by an AP writer in Germany, takes the stance that, “it's not at all clear whether consumers are ready to buy“ EVs.
Volkswagen bets big on electric. Will consumers buy in?
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/volkswagen-bets-big-electric-consumers-buy-65482179

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Fully Charged reviews the electric Mini Cooper SE
With the government grant, starts at £24,400 — cheaper than the petrol version.  Both are made on same production line, so they say they will be able to shift production as needed.  BMW i3 motor.  144 miles WLTP.
https://electriccarsreport.com/2019/09/fully-charged-reviews-the-electric-mini-cooper-se/
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« Reply #557 on: September 09, 2019, 07:43:29 PM »
 ;D  :o  ::)

Ford study reveals 4 out of 10 Americans believe EVs are powered by gasoline
“Overall, Ford’s efforts at understanding the market’s pulse about EVs is admirable, and the findings of the study will hopefully guide the company in its strategy to roll out battery-electric vehicles like the F-150 EV in the near future.”
https://www.teslarati.com/ford-americans-think-tesla-ev-runs-on-gas-study/
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« Reply #558 on: September 09, 2019, 07:59:23 PM »
;D  :o  ::)

Ford study reveals 4 out of 10 Americans believe EVs are powered by gasoline
“Overall, Ford’s efforts at understanding the market’s pulse about EVs is admirable, and the findings of the study will hopefully guide the company in its strategy to roll out battery-electric vehicles like the F-150 EV in the near future.”
https://www.teslarati.com/ford-americans-think-tesla-ev-runs-on-gas-study/

Hmmm,

The PIACC study, on global literacy, compiles once every 10 years, exposes the fact that...

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Some 52% of all Americans (global literacy rate: 49%) have basic or below-basic reading skills.

And that:

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Most of them can sign forms, compare ticket prices for two events and look up shows in a TV guide. Most cannot find places on a map, calculate the cost of office supplies from a catalog and compare viewpoints in two editorials.

Which gives you a fairly large pool of people who can "learn about the world" from word of mouth...

One day, driving out of Scotland, we saw a bumper sticking on a car.

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If you can read this....

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« Reply #559 on: September 09, 2019, 08:14:44 PM »
Among all automakers, Ford might have the most difficulty enticing its customers to buy its EVs, since Ford truck owners may be the antithesis of today’s EV owners. ;)  If their truck’s price point is attractive, Ford may have more luck at the outset attracting customers from other brands, who have learned enough about electric trucks to know that’s what they want.

However, the fact that their “Mustang-inspired EV” is an *SUV*... does not inspire confidence that they know what they are doing. :-\
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #560 on: September 09, 2019, 11:39:53 PM »
The PIACC study, on global literacy, compiles once every 10 years, exposes the fact that...

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Some 52% of all Americans (global literacy rate: 49%) have basic or below-basic reading skills.

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Most of them can sign forms, compare ticket prices for two events and look up shows in a TV guide. Most cannot find places on a map, calculate the cost of office supplies from a catalog and compare viewpoints in two editorials.

Off-topic but what the hell.

Reading old American Novels is a good way of looking at US socual history.

It is hard to find novel with a social history element that does not praise the US Public School system as a foundation of American Progress. Tribute is often paid to the US University system that in its way did help poorer people up the education ladder.

But for a good many years that Public School system has been starved of resources. With Betty Devos in charge, things can only get worse....

https://www.foxnews.com/us/education-department-accepted-1-applications-for-student-loan-forgiveness-program
Education Department rejected 99 percent of applicants for student loan forgiveness program

Even Bloomberg news, some time ago, had an article about how US universities seemed to be forgetting their reason for existence - i.e. to be Institutions of Education, instead concentrating on making money.

Vox-Mundi posted somewhere on a Trump document on how the US would maintain world dominance through Science &Technology.

You need an education system for all in good shape for that.

How is it that the US seems to have lost its way so badly?
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #561 on: September 10, 2019, 02:42:48 AM »
VW ID.3 Electric Car Debuts With Range Of Up To 342 Miles [550km, but 305 miles/490km EPA.  Except it won’t be sold in the U.S.]
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Production of the zero-emission vehicle begins in November this year and Volkswagen is proudly announcing more than 30,000 examples have already been pre-ordered.
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What’s probably way more important for the regular customers, Volkswagen promises to keep the price for the entry-level version below €30,000 in Germany, which translates to roughly $33,300 at the current rates. That second figure doesn’t mean the manufacturer will sell the EV in the United States but the I.D. Crozz electric SUV that will follow should be available at this side of the pond. What a shame we won't be getting the EV hatch in America.
https://insideevs.com/news/369758/vw-id3-electric-car-debuts-range-342-miles/amp/

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Alter Viggo (@AlterViggo) 9/9/19, 2:35 PM
Anyone else feeling like the @VW ID.3 is going obliterate Leaf and Bolt sales, not @Tesla?
https://twitter.com/alterviggo/status/1171129956480557056
< Yes, and it will also kill BMW’s only BEV, the i3.
It sells OK in Germany, but they will see customers holding of for the ID.3.
They are back to square one and should have a serious board meeting tomorrow. Nah, skip that, it is hopeless, they are too late.
AV:  Yeah, BMW is in serious trouble. They're getting hit from multiple fronts.
AV: Range stats were released already.
WLTP ranges are 342, 261, 205 miles.
So best guess at EPA ranges are: 305, 233, 183 miles.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #562 on: September 10, 2019, 03:17:41 AM »
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MYMODL3 (@mymodl3) 9/8/19, 6:27 PM
My son texted me this photo yesterday. They are fighting back at every opportunity.
https://twitter.com/mymodl3/status/1170826039330656256
< They are about to get demolished. Every student I’ve taught since the Roadster was released wants a Tesla. Politics and marketing won’t matter.
MM3:  The lady I sold my last ICE to loved my old car and wondered why I was selling it. I showed her my Model 3 and we spent the morning in it. She said the Model3 was her dream car, but her husband worked for big oil and she didn’t dare buy one. We still talk and she “works” for us.
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« Reply #563 on: September 10, 2019, 04:15:55 AM »
Well Sig they only get one of those plates for the whole state and in California they aren't convincing anyone anyhow.

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« Reply #564 on: September 10, 2019, 05:38:27 PM »
More on the VW ID.3

It seems VW only reported the top end of the range in its press release.
Note the full WLTP range numbers AutoExpress reports:
45 kWh between 143 and 205 miles
58 kWh between 186 and 261 miles
77 kWh between 242 and 342 miles

The 30,000 reservation limit is explained:
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The ID.3 will be launched in a single, limited run “1st Edition” specification. It’ll feature a rear-mounted 201bhp electric motor and 58kWh battery pack, which Volkswagen says will provide a range of between 186 and 261 miles.  All 30,000 “1st Edition” ID.3 models have already been reserved, including those allocated for the UK. British buyers should expect to get their vehicles next summer, around the same time that the rest of the ID.3 line-up goes on sale.

But their stated goal is not completely reassuring:
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Volkswagen also guarantees that the ID.'s batteries will retain at least 70 per cent of their usable capacity for eight years or 160,000km (around 100,000 miles). Frank Blome, Head of Volkswagen's Centre of Excellence in Salzgitter said: “Our goal is to make sure the batteries last as long as the cars.”

New 2020 Volkswagen ID.3: electric car arrives at Frankfurt
The VW ID.3 arrives with a choice of three different battery sizes, with top spec models offering a range of between 242 and 342 miles
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/97043/new-2020-volkswagen-id3-electric-car-arrives-at-frankfurt
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #565 on: September 11, 2019, 03:54:51 PM »
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millennialgirlinamaterialworld (@1millennialgirl) 9/9/19, 10:37 PM
When I moved into my apt complex there were 0 teslas. Now there are 3. The electro revolution is happening.
https://twitter.com/1millennialgirl/status/1171251368717426689
Photo below.
- The landlord installs a new charger with every new Tesla that arrives. Come live in H-town!  [Houston, Texas]
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Onlyme (@Onlymehere9) 9/10/19, 2:36 AM
WHAT!!!!
APARTMENT!!!!
ELECTRIC CARS!!!
HOW CAN THAT BE??
it's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
https://twitter.com/onlymehere9/status/1171311453879623680

Note:  the state of Texas bars the sale of cars (i.e., Teslas) directly to consumers.

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Tesla Model 3 reportedly gets pedestrian noisemaker ahead of NHTSA mandate
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-pedestrian-noise-maker-sample-sounds/

(Seems less annoying than I feared it would be.  Sound activates below 19 mph.  Forward sound is mostly white noise; reverse sound is a more sci-fi-like whine.  It’s in all Tesla Model 3 manufactured after Sept 1.)

Listen to the Tesla Model 3’s forward sound in the clip below.
https://soundcloud.com/user-434403776/tesla-model-3-noise-emitter-forward-sound

And here’s the Tesla Model 3’s reverse sound.
https://soundcloud.com/user-434403776/tesla-model-3-noise-emitter-reverse-sound

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Financial Times (@FT) 9/9/19, 5:00 PM
Ford credit rating downgraded to junk by Moody’s on.ft.com/34yVwqM
https://twitter.com/ft/status/1171166447072108548

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Guys, not sure how to tell you this, but the new, all-electric #VW ID3 has an “Engine Start” button.
Take THAT, Porsche Taycan “Turbo”!

https://twitter.com/cpautoscribe/status/1171136044026269696
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Engines use thermal energy to run as in combustion or steam engine.
Motors use pneumatic, hydraulic, or electrical energy to run.
When discussing technology it is important to get the technical language correct.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #566 on: September 11, 2019, 04:11:34 PM »
Tesla Model 3 reportedly gets pedestrian noisemaker

This is why we can't have nice things.
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« Reply #567 on: September 11, 2019, 05:14:36 PM »
Tesla Model 3 reportedly gets pedestrian noisemaker

This is why we can't have nice things.

Let’s hope driver assistance technology continues to improve, and become more widespread, before they start requiring noisemakers at all speeds above 19mph. ;)
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« Reply #568 on: September 11, 2019, 05:27:12 PM »
For those with less than willing property owners, this article has some good information.

Apartment EV Charging & Ownership May Be Easier Than You Think
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So, what should you do if you live in an apartment and are unlucky enough to not have any EV charging stations within close proximity? Can you even own an electric car while living in an apartment? Of course. First, your best bet will be to open up a charging station map such as PlugShare or OpenChargeMap and find chargers in your immediate area, or near areas that you frequent.

Popular spots such as local malls and grocery stores often feature some form of EV charging for the general public. Having a conveniently placed charger in front of your favorite supermarket will allow you to charge your electric car while you do your weekly grocery shopping. Parking lots owned by the city, specifically those found in front of government buildings and parks, might also offer public charging stations. Additionally, you can check with your workplace for EV chargers and/or you can put a request in at your workplace as there are certain rebates available to companies for installing electric car chargers on their property.
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Some of the obstacles related to setting up apartment-based electric vehicle chargers were outlined in the 2015 report entitled, Electric Vehicle Charging in Apartment-Based Housing – Opportunities and Obstacles, which discussed the following three findings:

   1   Apartment property managers and site-based facility personnel do not understand the nuances of evaluating multiple issues and the systems on their properties for deploying electric vehicle system equipment (EVSE) projects. Further, they’re rarely asked to create business strategies and have limited authority to undertake projects. They’re generally providing information to higher levels of property management or owners.

   2   Apartment property owners aren’t investing in EVSE projects due to a lack of perceived demand by residents, incomplete project planning, unknown and potentially significant capital costs, complex ownership decision-making models, and most importantly, no realistic business model that fits with their existing business criteria. With little or no interest to invest in charging infrastructure improvements, there is even less interest in paying for the electrical, parking, and business assessments, as well as spending time on resident surveys required to plan and make decisions.

   3   Property improvement upgrades, building renovations, providing amenities for all residents, and capital maintenance expenditures take first precedence in annual budget decisions made by MUD (multi-unit dwelling) owners. Given these budget priorities, the availability of EVSE grants would significantly increase the likelihood of property owners undertaking electric vehicle infrastructure projects.

Thankfully, some states have sought to alleviate the stress of trying to set up electric car charging in apartment complexes through legislative action. Many states, including California, Colorado, Florida, and Oregon, prohibit “unreasonably” denying a tenant’s request to install an electric car charger. In addition, California recently released a helpful guidebook that goes through the steps of permitting and constructing an electric vehicle charging station. The book gives anyone reading it a detailed look at the typical steps required. While the book is almost 70 pages long, the basic steps can be summarized as follows: get permission, attain a permit, and connect the station to the electrical grid.
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https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/10/apartment-ev-charging-ownership-may-be-easier-than-you-think/
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« Reply #569 on: September 11, 2019, 06:58:05 PM »

< Electric engine is incorrect language usage.
Engines use thermal energy to run as in combustion or steam engine.
Motors use pneumatic, hydraulic, or electrical energy to run.
When discussing technology it is important to get the technical language correct.

The Oxford English dictionary disagrees with you.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/engine

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NOUN
1A machine with moving parts that converts power into motion.

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Synonyms
motor, mechanism, machine, power source, drive

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« Reply #570 on: September 11, 2019, 07:57:27 PM »

< Electric engine is incorrect language usage.
Engines use thermal energy to run as in combustion or steam engine.
Motors use pneumatic, hydraulic, or electrical energy to run.
When discussing technology it is important to get the technical language correct.

The Oxford English dictionary disagrees with you.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/engine

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NOUN
1A machine with moving parts that converts power into motion.

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Synonyms
motor, mechanism, machine, power source, drive

Lexico is powered by the Oxford English dictionary..

Oxford, Schmoxford.  Engineers would disagree, particularly in the U.S. ;)
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« Reply #571 on: September 12, 2019, 02:45:42 AM »
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Caught cheating! What’s our plan?
-keep cheating. Get caught
-keep cheating. Get caught
-make EVs
-thank Elon    [see:  https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2406.msg228117.html#msg228117 ]
-call for end of coal
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Christiaan Hetzner (@christiaanhtznr) 9/9/19, 2:01 PM
.@VWGroup CEO Herbert Diess calls on German government to end all coal-fired power generation, not just lignite coal, as soon as possible and wants to end #diesel‘s beneficial tax treatment to encourage other subsidies for EVs, like free charging for small cars. #IAA2019
https://twitter.com/christiaanhtznr/status/1171121519365414912

VW CEO Diess under fire for suggesting postponing nuclear exit in Germany
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VW CEO Herbert Diess has drawn heavy criticism for suggesting that Germany should first exit coal instead of nuclear power in order to protect the climate. Environment state secretary Jochen Flasbarth wrote on Twitter that Diess should focus on “a progressive transport policy and clean, climate-friendly cars for all budgets” instead of “coming out in favour of a retrogressive energy supply with nuclear power”
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/vw-ceo-diess-under-fire-suggesting-postponing-nuclear-exit-germany
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« Reply #572 on: September 12, 2019, 11:01:35 AM »
Oxford, Schmoxford.  Engineers would disagree, particularly in the U.S. ;)

I am not one of those who say "well American's don't really speak English do they?".

But sometimes is it sooooo tempting.   8)
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« Reply #573 on: September 12, 2019, 12:56:27 PM »
I am getting back into model rocketry after being in it in High School. Pedantic term for the “whoosher” is motor (no moving parts) but Estes, which manufactures most of them, calls them engines.
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« Reply #574 on: September 12, 2019, 04:35:29 PM »
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isn't human contemporary language deliciously unequivocal  :P ::)
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« Reply #575 on: September 12, 2019, 07:25:30 PM »
China Sees Decline In Electric Vehicle Sales For Second Consecutive Month

A bit of a hangover from the subsidy cuts at the end of June - down 16% year over year.

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China has reported a decline of 16 per cent in electric vehicle sales for the month of August. Last month the cumulative sales of all pure-electric, fuel-celled, and plugin hybrids vehicles stood at 85,000 units the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers, compared to 100,000+ vehicles sold during the same month in 2018. In addition to the decline in year-on-year (YoY) sales, China also registered month-on-month (MoM) drop of 4.7 per cent compared to the total EV sales in July 2019. This for the second straight month the EV sales have gone down in China, following the local government's decision scale back subsidies.

https://auto.ndtv.com/news/china-sees-decline-in-electric-vehicle-sales-for-second-consecutive-month-2100020

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« Reply #576 on: September 12, 2019, 08:50:04 PM »
If VW is breathing, it is cheating.
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Gerard Fianen (@gerardfianen) 9/12/19, 4:33 AM
IT DOES NOT STOP ..
Looks like there’s also cheating code in new VW Euro6 diesel cars.
Car detects if it is on a teststand and only then it will inject the required amount of AdBlue. During normal driving much less is being used.
https://twitter.com/gerardfianen/status/1172065803996409858

Via Google Translate:
Exhaust scandal
Other defeat devices at VW?
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Specifically, it is about the VW engine series EA 288, the successor of the engine EA 189, which was at the center of the first diesel scandal. The follow-up engine has been installed since 2012 in hundreds of thousands of diesel vehicles of the group - including the Golf, Tiguan or Passat. Also with different models of Audi, Skoda and Seat this engine is used.

In internal VW documents of the department of technical development of the end of 2015 is described in detail how the so-called "cycle detection" works on this engine. Under cycle recognition experts understand a software in the car, which recognizes whether an exhaust gas test is being carried out. Such a software was also installed on the vehicles of the first "diesel scandal".
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But in the VW internal technical description of the VW engine EA 288, which is the SWR , it says literally: "Use and detection of the [...] NEDC to trigger the switchover of the raw emission statement route-controlled." The acronym NEDC stands for "New European Driving Cycle" and is an exhaust gas test procedure in the EU that is carried out on a chassis dynamometer. ...
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« Reply #577 on: September 12, 2019, 09:06:51 PM »
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"We don't build cars for millionaires, we build cars for millions." — Michael Jost, Chief Strategist, @VWGroup
Oh really?!
VW is making it really hard to support them when they make asinine comments like this that take passive-aggressive potshots at @Tesla.
https://twitter.com/alterviggo/status/1171632890695651328
1/ Congratulations VW. You get to "build cars for millions" because you rested on your laurels for ten years while @Tesla blazed a trail showing demand for #EVs was real as long as you could design and build one that was as good or better than a gas or diesel car.
2/ Meanwhile, VW continued to rake in profits from ICE cars that criminally cheated emissions tests.
@Tesla had no criminal ICE platform to fund their EV program. Their only option was to sell to the wealthy early adopters, just like every other major technological revolution.
3/ And guess what? Now @Tesla *is* selling a car for "the millions" and it's still 6 years ahead of your glorified Golf that can't drive itself and which still might not convince people to buy it over it's ICE equivalent.
4/ And how many of your "millions" are going to buy a $185,000 lead brick sports car that appears it will have lower margins than Tesla's "people's car" that costs more than three times less?

     Porsche disrupts itself with Taycan
     https://www.autonews.com/sales/porsche-disrupts-itself-taycan
5/ I'm glad you're making an affordable and appealing EV, Jost. But please. Spare us the "we're better than you because we're cheaper" attitude. You wasted years and millions of tons of carbon.
Just put your head down and make #EVs.
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« Reply #578 on: September 13, 2019, 12:03:20 AM »



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Your link also notes that overall new vehicle sales are down. :)
The rapid buildout of China's HSR network & E-Buses in major urban areas is a huge step in the right direction. Shanghai is limiting all forms of personal vehicle ownership/ridership, and if this push is seen as successful it will be emulated in other Chinese Mega-Cities.
I've met any number of people that have never ventured more than 100 miles from where they were born. They never had need for a 2 ton beast that could cruise at 90MPH, but little else was available.
The once ubiquitous VW bugs weren't the best choice for cross country tours, but they were hard to beat for the kind of driving that most people did. Lower speeds, fewer seats, less trunk space, low operating costs, high mileage and high reliability.
We need a VW bug for this generation!
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« Reply #579 on: September 13, 2019, 01:27:56 AM »
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Just put your head down and make better #EVs than your ICE cars . /end
They do not want to build good mainstream electric cars  because if they do they destroy the decades and billions of dollars they have invested in ICE.

The euro manufactures  sell on the cachet of their halo cars look at how many crappy 318's you see with a M badge.
Compare the 3** styling to the abortion that is the model i3.
The i3 is a weird looking POS that appeals to no one who buys the mainstream BMW's so it does not eat into  their real market focus .
The upstart Tesla has made the BWM M/Audi RS and AMG's performance so last century .
Who is going to spend many thousands on a flash euro GT car when a four door yanky mass market sedan  comfortably and quietly beats you at the lights ?   In time the tech must be pushed down market or you lose the link between you halo products and the mass market ones so lose market share.

The euro brands  have to not only catch Tesla they must better them or die.
Good luck with that.

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« Reply #580 on: September 13, 2019, 06:34:12 AM »

 They do not want to build good mainstream electric cars because if they do they destroy the decades and billions of dollars they have invested in ICE.

Exactly! It's called the sunk cost fallacy and it's a real thing. It's omnipresent in the car industry in Germany.
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« Reply #581 on: September 14, 2019, 12:24:10 AM »
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New ad released from @VWGroup for the ID.3 with "Now You Can" as the tagline.
What do you think? Definitely aimed at the mainstream.
Not a single mention of nominal voltage or permanent magnet synchronous motors. The hardcore EV fans won't approve!  ;D
https://twitter.com/evnewsdaily/status/1171830836896944129
90-sec ad at the link.  “Up to 550 km on one charge” is only spec given.

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With faster growth, other states are starting to close the gap with CA in EV market share
1H 2019 (1H 2018)

CA 5.3% (3.2%)
DC 4.2% (1.3%)
OR 3.5% (1.2%)
WA 3.4% (2.2%)
HI 2.8% (1.5%)
CO 2.2% (0.9%)
MD 2.1% (0.6%)
AZ 2.0% (0.7%)
NV 2.0% (0.7%)
https://twitter.com/facts_tesla/status/1171884659510132736

Source:  Advanced Technology Vehicle Sales Dashboard | Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers
https://autoalliance.org/energy-environment/advanced-technology-vehicle-sales-dashboard/

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Any guesses on which state came in dead last for #EV market share?
The home of @GM and @Ford
The home of The Motor City
@nealboudette's home state of Michigan
#EVs were a paltry 0.09% of auto sales in the first half of 2019
https://twitter.com/facts_tesla/status/1171910676715134977
[Michigan forbids direct car sales such as Tesla.]

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Mercedes CEO praises rising diesel sales: ‘There is no rational reason today not to buy one’
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-rival-mercedes-ceo-growing-diesel-sales/

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1172408684476895232
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”Mattes has been president of the group for just over a year, after a career at BMW and Ford. His tenure was marked by a downturn in German car sales that started with the introduction of new emissions testing but has continued well into 2019.”

German auto lobby chief Mattes steps down in midst of Frankfurt show
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FRANKFURT -- Bernhard Mattes, the head of Germany's auto-lobby group VDA, resigned unexpectedly in the middle of the Frankfurt auto show, the showcase event the group hosts every two years.
Mattes will leave his post as president by the end of the year, the VDA said Thursday in a statement. The board said it received his resignation earlier in the day, providing no further details.
His exit comes at a time of transition for the Frankfurt event.
More than 30 brands, including Toyota, Volvo and Ferrari, skipped the show, and even giant BMW scaled back its presence.
Doubts have been raised about whether the show will retain its present format or even stay based in Frankfurt, after companies criticized it. Automakers are discussing a new concept that would place more emphasis on mobility concepts rather than new cars, a report said.
Meanwhile, climate protesters have stepped up criticism of the industry's track record on greenhouse gas emissions. ...
https://europe.autonews.com/move/german-auto-lobby-chief-mattes-steps-down-midst-frankfurt-show
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« Reply #582 on: September 14, 2019, 01:11:50 AM »
U.S.: V2G electric school buses in Virginia

”It probably helped that Virginia Democratic governor Ralph Northam was a pediatric neurologist, and so would have a better understanding than most policy makers about the health effects of diesel exhaust on children.”

Virginia saves our kids; becomes the catalyst for electric school buses
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... But now Virginia and utility Dominion Energy... will be buying a minimum of 1,050 V2G electric school buses over the next five years. That single purchase dwarfs all others, and will serve as the catalyst for a nationwide fleet conversion by bringing down the upfront cost of electric school buses. It will also hopefully shame the rest of the US into ceasing purchases of child-poisoning diesel school buses. But it doesn’t end there.

In addition to Dominion’s monster purchase, a group of organized mothers in Virginia’s Fairfax County is using this moment to get their school district to go all-in. And if they can do it, your school district definitely can, because as it happens, Fairfax County Public Schools operates the second-largest school bus fleet in the US, with 1,625 diesel school buses. Fairfax County’s fleet has more buses than Greyhound, and the school bus fleet is second only to New York City. The moms have organized to replace all of them with electrics by 2025. Assuming Fairfax only gets, say, 200 of the Dominion buses, then that’s about 2,475 all electric buses headed for Virginia. WDVM-TV has an interview with the group, Mothers Out Front Fairfax.

Dominion Energy says it will select the electric school bus maker(s) by the end of November 2019. It will be exciting to see the competition between IC Bus (a subsidiary of Navistar), Thomas (Daimler), Bluebird, and the pure-electric school bus maker, Lion Electric. ...
https://electrek.co/2019/09/13/virginia-saves-our-kids-becomes-the-catalyst-for-electric-school-buses/
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« Reply #583 on: September 14, 2019, 01:33:06 AM »
Another hydrogen fuel cell car smackdown

Tesla Model 3 vs Toyota Mirai fuel cell vehicle
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Like Elon Musk and the other Tesla founders, Mr. Martin has concluded that batteries represent the superior energy storage medium. “I’m quite confident that hydrogen is a dead end for cars,” Martin writes. “My reasons aren’t personal- they’re thermodynamic, and rather difficult to argue with.” (Note that he says “for cars,” leaving open the possibility that hydrogen could prove to be a viable technology for some vehicles - perhaps for long-haul trucking, an application in which the weight and volume of the fuel storage medium is of greater importance.)
https://evannex.com/blogs/news/tesla-model-3-vs-toyota-mirai-fuel-cell-vehicle
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« Reply #584 on: September 15, 2019, 10:00:29 PM »
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BREAKING: @UAW declares a strike against @GM for the first time since 2007.
Story coming to @Automotive_News
https://twitter.com/mikemartinez_an/status/1173246045050081280
The national strike will be effective at 11:59 p.m. tonight, according to a union spokesman. He said it was unclear if the two sides will continue talking until then.
"I would expect a strike at 11:59 p.m."

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There remained "significant differences between the parties on wages, health care benefits, temporary employees, job security and profit sharing," Terry Dittes, the union vice president leading the negotiating team, told membership in a letter late Saturday.

The company on Sunday issued a statement detailing its most recent offer, including 5,400 jobs and $7 billion in investment at its US plants during the life of the contract. It also promised wage or lump sum pay increases in all four years of the deal, an improved profit sharing formula and a signing bonus of $8,000 per member.

GM said it also offered "solutions" for the two assembly plants that are poised to be closed, one in Lordstown, Ohio, where work stopped earlier this year, and the Hamtramck plant in Detroit, which is scheduled to shut in early 2020. The company did not release details of what those solutions would be.
The UAW has vowed to win GM's agreement at the negotiating table to keep all or at least some of those plants operating.

A person familiar with GM's offer said it included a promise to build a new electric truck at Detroit Hamtramck, and to build new batteries for electric vehicles in Lordstown. That work wouldn't start immediately, so the plants would likely remain dark for some time. Work would start sometime in the next four years if the offer were accepted. ...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/business/uaw-gm-contract-strike/index.html
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« Reply #585 on: September 17, 2019, 04:59:56 PM »
The Shift to Electric Vehicles Propels a Strike Against GM
Like other automakers, General Motors is preparing for a mostly electric future. The catch is that building those cars requires a lot fewer workers.
https://www.wired.com/story/shift-electric-vehicles-strike-gm/

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- After drone strikes on Saudi Arabia Oil facilities, U.S. gas prices are expected to rise:
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that sucks lol
https://twitter.com/tesla_truth/status/1173505570730496001
California.  Image below.

David McLeod (@macrockets) 9/16/19, 6:29 AM
Saudi Oil troubles may cause a stampede into EV’s. Who knows where this will end if war breaks out with Iran.
Glad I have a Tesla. No lining up at Gas stations for me.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11513728

MadPolak  Spark (@konrad_bilinski) 9/16/19, 7:01 AM
This happens everyday at my local Costco, these people wait 45 minutes to save 3 cents a litre
https://twitter.com/konrad_bilinski/status/1173552490454929408
(Image at the link is old, but he insists cars line up like this every day.)
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« Reply #586 on: September 17, 2019, 05:04:10 PM »
China's electric vehicle companies have yet to prove themselves to investors
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BYD has warned its third-quarter profit will decrease by as much as 90%, while BAIC Blue Park said net income slumped 80% from a year earlier in the second quarter.
Still, BYD is set to outdo any domestic rivals in the long run and remains a long-term bullish bet as the industry slowdown intensifies competition and weeds out obsolete capacity, according to China Merchants Securities. BYD is in a better position to win more market share than its peers, given it already has almost a quarter of China’s electric-car market and a complete industry chain from lithium battery manufacturing to auto making, the brokerage said.
https://www.abacusnews.com/digital-life/chinas-electric-vehicle-companies-have-yet-prove-themselves-investors/article/3027498

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Germany's vehicle authority sets Audi ultimatum to remove illegal diesel software: Report
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Germany's motor vehicle authority (KBA) has told Volkswagen's premium brand Audi that it faces penalties for its failure to remove illegal software from diesel cars that can manipulate emissions levels, the Bild am Sonntag (BamS) newspaper reported.
BamS added that the KBA had told Audi in three letters that it had until 26 September to remove the software from thousands of diesel vehicles with V6 and V8 TDI engines or else face a fine of 25,000 euro for each car still carrying an illegal device.

The transport ministry said last year that the KBA watchdog had detected illicit emission-control software in some 127,000 Audi models with Euro-6 diesel engines, including 77,600 cars in Germany.

A spokesman for Audi said the carmaker was getting closer to upgrading the remaining 8% of the cars in question and that it would complete the mission by the KBA-set deadline.
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/auto-tech/germanys-car-watchdog-sets-audi-ultimatum-to-remove-illegal-diesel-software-report-7344761.html

That’s the EU-6 cars.  But:
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#Dieselgate: Word around the German automobile industry suggests Audi could be forced to buy back various EU4 diesels with emission defeat devices as they cannot be fixed (ie. made legal) with software updates alone.
https://twitter.com/gregkable/status/1173500666830102529

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It'll be hard to sell your diesel car in 10 years...
https://twitter.com/theelonmasked/status/1173272859394920448
 
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BEV Sales In Germany Doubled Again In August 2019
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The cumulative sales of plug-in electric cars in Germany exceed 250,000 in less than seven years (January 2013)
The excellent selling streak of EVs continues in Germany. In August, the total number of new passenger plug-in car registrations increased by 38% year-over-year to 8,121.
As was the case for several previous months, all-electric cars are more than doubling in sales, while the plug-in hybrids struggle to keep 2018 results:
   •   BEVs: 5,001 – up 104% at ≈1.6% market share
   •   PHEVs: 3,120 – down 9% at ≈1.0% market share
https://insideevs.com/news/370831/bev-sales-germany-august-2019/amp/

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Watch Porsche Taycan Roll Off The Production Line
https://insideevs.com/news/370984/porsche-production-taycan/

[~28 min of Taycan production lines.]
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« Reply #587 on: September 17, 2019, 05:07:48 PM »
The Concept Cars Gleam, but Executive Dread Clouds the Frankfurt Auto Show
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FRANKFURT — Car executives are paid to be optimists, but behind the pomp and salesmanship at the Frankfurt International Motor Show this week lurked an unmistakable sense of angst.

The talk among industry insiders at the show, one of the auto industry’s biggest events, reflected the existential threats that carmakers face.

The European and global auto markets are in decline. Carmakers are betting their futures on electric vehicles whose marketability is untested. Manufacturers are under intense public and regulatory pressure because of the role that vehicles play in climate change. The global trade war has disrupted supply chains.

Even auto shows are under threat. Many manufacturers scaled back their presence in Frankfurt this year or skipped the show altogether. Companies like Toyota and Fiat Chrysler decided the benefits didn’t justify the millions of euros it takes to put on a display.

“It’s an unprecedented situation we are in,” said Wolf-Henning Scheider, chief executive of ZF Friedrichshafen, a German transmission maker that has an extensive network of factories in the United States, Europe and China.

Volkswagen alone accounts for more than 1 percent of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide, according to the company’s own calculations.  This week Greenpeace activists stood on the roofs of S.U.V.s on display at the Frankfurt exhibition grounds with signs that chided, “Climate Killer.”

But no one knows yet whether these vehicles will be popular enough to justify the investment and allow carmakers to meet European Union fuel economy targets that take effect next year. Carmakers that fail to deliver average fuel economy of 57 miles per gallon face draconian fines.

The end of internal combustion is nigh
Regret is written on the faces of auto executives’ faces when they say it, but the age of the internal combustion engine is slowly coming to an end.

“One is amazed at what can still be achieved with the internal combustion engine,” said Markus Schäfer, the head of research and development at Daimler. He added, however: “Of course the main focus is on electrification.”

Mr. Schäfer told a small group of reporters that Mercedes did not plan to develop any more internal combustion engines after it finished the rollout of a new four-cylinder motor, which is underway. “That is the last,” he said.


The coming shakeout may be most brutal among suppliers, particularly smaller companies far down the industry food chain that supply specialized parts for combustion engines. ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/business/frankfurt-car-show.html
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« Reply #588 on: September 17, 2019, 10:23:46 PM »
Republicans historically have championed states’ rights over the federal government.  But there are some big fossil fuel donors talking here. (Also Obama legacy, and Democratic California, to injure whenever possible.)

EPA set to revoke California's authority to set vehicle standards
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Washington (CNN)The Environmental Protection Agency is preparing to revoke California's authority to set vehicle emission standards and could make the announcement as early as Wednesday, a source familiar with the plans tells CNN.

The source said the Trump administration will find the EPA previously acted unlawfully by granting the state a waiver from the Clean Air Act and allowing it to develop stricter standards than those of the federal government. About a dozen states have adopted California's standards.

California has historically been allowed to have stricter emission standards due to the state's unique geography and history of intense air pollution, highlighted by the thick smog that once blanketed Southern California. Revoking the Golden State's ability to set its own standards could stymie the downward trend in California's air pollution.

The state and Trump administration have clashed repeatedly including over environmental policy. Industry watchers feared that the Trump administration's plan to freeze federal emission standards, a rollback of tightened standards created by the Obama administration, could have led to two auto markets in the US, one subject to more restrictive California regulations and another linked to significantly less stringent federal standards.
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Talks between the Trump administration and the California Air Resources Board broke down earlier this year, and the White House announced it would move forward with replacing the Obama-era federal standards.

Faced with that, California regulators negotiated a voluntary standard with four major automakers. Those negotiations are now the subject of a Justice Department antitrust investigation.
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« Reply #589 on: September 18, 2019, 08:33:16 PM »
The Shift to Electric Vehicles Propels a Strike Against GM
https://www.wired.com/story/shift-electric-vehicles-strike-gm/
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When United Automobile Workers members walked off the job at 33 General Motors sites around the US on Sunday morning, perhaps the most … striking detail was that they only numbered 46,000. The last time the UAW’s GM workers went on strike, in 2007, they were 73,000 strong. And that was a fraction of the 259,000 US hourly production workers GM employed in 1991.

UAW membership has ticked upward in recent years, recovering from its post-financial-crisis nadir. Now it faces a new threat from the next great shift for the auto industry. The electric car may be great for the planet and glorious for drivers, but it’s no good for jobs.
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« Reply #590 on: September 18, 2019, 09:21:26 PM »
https://www.wired.com/story/shift-electric-vehicles-strike-gm/
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UAW membership has ticked upward in recent years, recovering from its post-financial-crisis nadir. Now it faces a new threat from the next great shift for the auto industry. The electric car may be great for the planet and glorious for drivers, but it’s no good for jobs.

The problem with EV's is that their production does not need the vast array of skilled labor required to make internal combustion engines and the related gasoline feeds, gear and clutch assemblies etc.This removes a huge amount of relatively skilled work in automobile plants AND within car maintenance facilities (e.g. car dealerships). Then on top of that there will be additional losses from the manufacturing "losers" - overall, given the scale of the car manufacturing and maintenance industry (plus all those gas stations and tanker drivers), will be a very disruptive change for the economies to deal with.

The UAW will end up trying to manage the continual decline of their numbers. One of my girlfriend's daughter was thinking of being a car mechanic and I told her that that was probably not a good occupation for her future given the advent of EV's.

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« Reply #591 on: September 18, 2019, 11:05:10 PM »
The shrinking of union jobs probably parallels the shrinkage of the middle class.
It's a damn shame.
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« Reply #592 on: September 19, 2019, 11:57:22 AM »
After VW, Daimler announced they would stop development on internal combustion engines. Shit's getting serious. :)

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Amazon will order 100,000 electric delivery vans from EV startup Rivian, Jeff Bezos says
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Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos said the company has placed an order for 100,000 electric delivery vans from Michigan-based startup Rivian. The announcement came during an event on Thursday in Washington, DC where Bezos unveiled Amazon’s sweeping plan to tackle climate change.

Bezos said he expects 100,000 Rivian vans to be on the road by 2024, according to USA Today reporter Nathan Bomey. The first vans will hit the road in 2021, with prototypes possibly arriving as soon as 2020. Minutes after Bezos’ announcement, Amazon senior vice president for operations Dave Clark tweeted a rendering of the vehicle. ...
https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/19/20873947/amazon-electric-delivery-van-rivian-jeff-bezos-order
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« Reply #595 on: September 19, 2019, 09:25:17 PM »
Daimler abandons internal combustion engine development to focus on EVs
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The implications of Daimler’s announcement are significant. The conglomerate, after all, includes long-haul truck maker Freightliner, which produces diesel-powered trucks. With this announcement in mind, it appears that Daimler is setting the stage for the eventual rollout of an all-electric truck, which could provide some healthy competition for companies such as Tesla, whose Semi is expected to enter production next year. With Freightliner breaching the market for electric trucks, the transportation sector’s transition towards electrification could very well see a boost.
https://www.teslarati.com/daimler-abandons-internal-combustion-engine-over-evs/

Elon Musk retweeted the article, writing:
”Electric is the future! Congratulations Daimler!!”
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1174751275637862400
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« Reply #596 on: September 20, 2019, 08:35:50 AM »
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I honestly don't understand this graphic. There are two answers, three results and the speedometer is showing what?

This is typical for this rag btw.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #597 on: September 20, 2019, 10:36:31 AM »
If you touch the speedometer you will see several texts in German depending on where you touched, this will give you the full solution to the mystery. My guess is the percentages are yes, no, and a mixed answer/maybe/don't know.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #598 on: September 20, 2019, 10:43:12 AM »
... which accounts for 73km/h. Makes sense now.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #599 on: September 20, 2019, 08:49:12 PM »
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I honestly don't understand this graphic. There are two answers, three results and the speedometer is showing what?

This is typical for this rag btw.

It would have made more sense to me if they had the progressive, pro-EV choice on the right, and the old pro-ICE choice on the left.  But I think they were trying to illustrate that the demand for ICE is slowing, not ‘full speed ahead’ like it would be if everybody chose the ‘EV Won’t Work, so keep ICE’ option.  I agree their art department could benefit from a course on, well, art.
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