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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1650 on: April 20, 2020, 06:15:07 PM »
How Norway Convinced Drivers To Switch To Electric Cars
Nearly half of new cars sold in Norway are electric. Here’s how the country got miles ahead of the rest of the world.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/norway-drivers-electric-cars_n_5e94ac91c5b6f0317322b939

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GM opposition to cleaner California standards is costing it, poll suggests
April 20, 2020
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In the battle between California and the Trump Administration over the state's right to set its own stricter emissions standards, General Motors sided with the President.

That decision may be costing GM, according to a new poll.

The majority of GM owners surveyed—regardless of party affiliation—oppose the automaker's stance on tougher California emissions standards, according to the poll, which was conducted by Matt George Associates for the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS).

Of the 1,000 owners surveyed, 51% who initially said they would "definitely purchase" another GM vehicle in the future changed their minds after learning of the automaker's stance on California emissions standards, according to the UCS. In addition, 76% of respondents said their opinion of the automaker would improve if GM reversed its position and supported stronger regulations.

GM's opposition to stronger California standards caused its favorability to decrease from 93% to 44%, according to the UCS. The sentiment seemed to cross party lines, with 82% of Republicans and 93% of Democrats surveyed saying GM should support stronger emissions standards and measures to improve gas mileage.

Other factors played into respondents' dimmer view of GM, Matt George, who conducted the survey, noted. These include closing of a Lordstown, Ohio, factory (which was subsequently bought by a local startup aiming to build electric pickup trucks) and lack of progress in producing cleaner cars, which respondents viewed as violating GM's 2009 bailout agreement. …
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127860_gm-opposition-to-cleaner-california-standards-is-costing-it-poll-suggests

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Alvin Foo (@alvinfoo) 4/18/20, 12:08 AM
#China #Auto Sales Q1 2020, painful for all except @teslacn. #Tesla should be [listed] behind Volvo having sold about 18k cars, the only car maker with positive growth! 2020 will surely be a nightmare year for the Auto Industry.
https://twitter.com/alvinfoo/status/1251361968939659265
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(Tesla China’s Sales: 2,620 in January, 3,900 in February, 10,160 in March.)
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-tsla-srecord-sales-march-2020-china/
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« Reply #1651 on: April 25, 2020, 02:12:38 PM »
North American automaker production plants with reopenings currently scheduled for early May:
FCA
Honda
Hyundai
Nissan
Subaru
Tesla
Toyota/Lexus
Volvo

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https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2020/03/coronavirus-when-each-automaker-will-restart-us-production.html
Updated April 16

From April 16:
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In A dozen Ford workers at a Michigan factory are trying out wristbands that vibrate when employees come within six feet of each another, Bloomberg reported Wednesday. ...

Earlier in April, GM told Reuters that it has adapted measures taken in Amazon warehouses, such as temperature screening to detect fevers.

Ford and the United Auto Workers union are planning thermal-imaging scans as well. Among other safety procedures, Ford also plans daily health surveys at factories where it's now producing ventilators and respirators to help hospitals battle the coronavirus.

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Europe, Toyota, Volkswagen, Renault, Hyundai and Volvo have opened or are gearing to restart production.

On Thursday, Germany announced moves to ease its coronavirus lockdown starting May 4. German car dealerships will be allowed to reopen, after the restrictions pushed many to the brink.
https://www.investors.com/news/auto-industry-gm-ford-fiat-chrysler-reopening-car-plants-how-when/
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1652 on: April 25, 2020, 04:44:20 PM »
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Viv (@flcnhvy) 4/23/20, 1:52 PM
So apparently @Audi copy pasted info on European EV incentives from Tesla’s website ... and forgot to remove the part about S3X supporting CCS charging ;D
Appears to be fixed now, but the internet never forgets haha
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« Reply #1653 on: April 25, 2020, 05:11:01 PM »
Byton Update:
Byton furloughs hundreds of workers with unknown impact on production timeline
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The downturn in the economy due to the pandemic is wreaking havoc with the auto industry. The impacts are particularly hard on start-ups trying to launch their first vehicles. Byton, the Chinese EV-maker, this week put hundreds of employees from its Santa Clara facility on furlough, following earlier reductions in China. ...
https://electrek.co/2020/04/21/exclusive-byton-furloughs-hundreds-of-workers-with-unknown-impact-on-production-timeline/

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Automotive News (@Automotive_News) 4/21/20, 12:48 PM
PSA seeks to avoid state aid to keep FCA merger on track
https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/psa-seeks-avoid-state-aid-keep-fca-merger-track
 
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Ford might delay Mustang Mach-E launch, will update as production restarts
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Ford previously said that production is going to begin in late 2020, and the first deliveries are expected in Europe and the US in October.

However, like many other automakers, Ford might see delays due to the current coronavirus pandemic.

In Norway, which is expected to be one of the first markets to get the Mustang Mach-E, Ford has informed reservation holders that they have delayed the launch of the Mach-E configurator to “June/July” and deliveries to November….

To be fair, Ford is far from being alone in this situation. Rivian will likely push the first deliveries of its electric vehicles into 2021, and Lordstown just announced the same for its electric pickup truck. …
https://electrek.co/2020/04/24/ford-delay-mustang-mach-e-launch-production-restart/

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(The next powerful sporty hatchback version of the Ford Focus RS hinged on development of a new hybrid powertrain that would lower Ford’s fleet emissions rather than raising them.  Seems like what they need is a BEV….)

Ford Officially Pulls The Plug On New Focus RS
April 20, 2020
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The reports were true: Ford will not launch a new fourth-generation Focus RS as development was deemed too expensive for today’s market conditions.

Ford Motor has officially confirmed the news, saying that the cost of developing a new Focus RS can’t be justified by the model’s low-volume nature.

“As a result of pan-European emissions standards, increased CO2 taxation and the high cost of developing an RS with some form of electrification for a relatively low volume of vehicles, we are not planning another RS version of the Focus,” Ford told us in their statement. …
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/04/ford-officially-pulls-the-plug-on-new-focus-rs/
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« Reply #1654 on: April 26, 2020, 09:33:55 PM »
VW CEO Herbert Diess, in a company webcast, points to Tesla as the company to beat.

VW Recognizes Tesla's Superior Software Competence
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“What bothers me the most is the ability to work with help systems,” said VW CEO Herbert Diess in VW’s internal webcast. “500,000 Tesla function as a neural network that continuously collects data and offers customers a new driving experience every 14 days with improved features,” he said, and also acknowledged: “No other car manufacturer can do this today.”

[today, in fact, about 1 million Tesla cars collect data ]

Diess demanded that the newly-created VW car software development team “implement the Tesla catch-up plan”. The integration of high-performance software into new models poses VW with much more complex tasks than, for example, electrifying a fleet of vehicles. Tesla’s access to the keyless vehicle, combining multiple functions on one screen and a smaller design were well received. “Customers like it,” said Diess. “It is clear that VW will follow suit at these points,” he continued.

Regarding the valuation of VW in the international capital markets, Diess presented to its top managers a chart that showed Tesla's rating two times higher than that of VW. “And this despite our valuable brands such as Porsche, Audi, VW, Bentley and others,” he said. In order to catch Tesla, “We still have a long way to go,” said Diess.
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/vw-confirms-teslas-superior-software-expertise

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Electric Mustang; no more Maven; updates from Polestar, Lordstown, and Lucid: The Week in Reverse
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And the Karma Revero GTE circles back toward its once-maybe rival, the Tesla Model S, by dropping the gasoline range extender and potentially offering up to 400 miles of all-electric range. Would it make this Fisker concoction more competitive today?

Finally, hydrogen fuel-cell technology is undergoing a big shift—to larger trucks and commercial applications. And there was no better illustration of that than Daimler’s move this week to commit (jointly with Volvo) to a $1.2 billion fuel-cell venture for commercial trucks while also suspending fuel-cell R&D for passenger cars. Yup, that means discontinuing the F-Cell, which never arrived in the U.S.


One other thing that wasn’t as surprising: GM is shutting down Maven, its car-sharing and mobility unit. Was it a casualty of the gig economy amid coronavirus, a muddled mix of good ideas, or a victim of changing priorities at GM? All signs point to some of each.

Jay Leno, for reasons unknown, opted not to air his 2008 drive of the original Tesla Roadster and interview with Elon Musk. It’s a gem.
[See below.]
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127956_electric-mustang-no-more-maven-updates-from-polestar-lordstown-and-lucid-the-week-in-reverse

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« Reply #1655 on: April 27, 2020, 05:32:58 PM »
Automotive Stocks Gear Up To Fight COVID-19
April 27, 2020
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Major automotive and auto component manufacturers have seen their stock prices decline by an average of over -30% year-to-date, due to the Coronavirus pandemic. While General Motors stock is down by about -41% year-to-date, Ford is down by -47%. However, Tesla has bucked the trend, rising 68%. The health crisis has meant people really don’t need to drive much right now, and not many are buying new cars either. Irrespective of what local and country governments prescribe or guide, we don’t believe this is likely to change in a hurry. Discretionary spending is likely to drop as the economy slips into a recession, impacting auto sales.

Performance Summary
Our Automobile portfolio of 10 stocks including Ford, General Motors, Tesla, Navistar, Harley DavidsonHOG, Advance Wabco, and Lear, shows an average decline of about -2% in the last five trading days (through April 23) compared with a -1.5% decline in the S&P 500 over the same period. Year-to-date, the portfolio is down by about -21% (or over -30% excluding Tesla), compared to about -14% for the S&P 500. Harley Davidson and Ford were the worst performers, posting declines of about -50% and -47% respectively year-to-date. On the other hand, Tesla has soared 68% year-to-date while Wabco Holdings, an auto components manufacturer, has seen its stock remain relatively flat. Overall, there is a significant variance and summarized on the dashboard Autos Fight COVID-19

The Ripple Effects On Other Industries
Lower auto sales will have ripple effects across other industries. For one, commodities such as Steel and aluminum demand will suffer. For instance, the transport industry accounted for about 32% of aluminum demand in 2019. Similarly, the recovery of crude oil prices, which have declined sharply this year could also be slow, given that transportation demand accounts for as much as 69% of total oil consumption in the United States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2020/04/27/automotive-stocks-gear-up-to-fight-covid-19/
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« Reply #1656 on: April 30, 2020, 07:22:20 PM »
Ford and Lincoln cancel Rivian-powered electric vehicle due to the pandemic
April 28, 2020
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Ford and its luxury brand Lincoln have canceled an all-electric SUV that was going to be powered by technology provided by EV startup Rivian, the companies told Automotive News on Tuesday.

Rivian recently announced that it’s pushing back the release of its first two vehicles — an all-electric pickup truck and SUV — to early 2021 because of the pandemic.
https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/4/28/21240212/ford-lincoln-cancel-rivian-suv-ev-coronavirus-pandemic-investment

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Shares of General Motors were trading lower on Thursday, as investors braced for grim April auto sales results and digested a report that GM could be dragged into an ongoing federal investigation of the United Auto Workers (UAW) labor union.

Ford Motor Company reported earnings on Tuesday after the market closed. They were as expected (a net loss of $2 billion), but it was the company's guidance that raised eyebrows, and may be weighing on GM's stock today. Ford expects an adjusted operating loss of at least $5 billion in the current quarter.

[A]nalysts expect April to be the worst month for U.S. auto sales in 30 years. Analysts at Edmunds are forecasting that just 633,260 new cars and trucks will have been sold in the U.S. in April, which would be a decline of 52.5% from April 2019. Edmunds said that would be the lowest-volume month for U.S. auto sales since at least 1990.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/30/why-general-motors-stock-is-down-today.aspx

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Tasha Keeney (@TashaARK) 4/29/20, 1:44 PM
A few telling news pieces over the past week in autos. Some thoughts: 1) Ford nixed its project with Rivian.  I think we will only see more of this - traditional autos may shut down innovation efforts to focus on the core business when its on fire.
https://twitter.com/tashaark/status/1255553486433013761
2) Daimler increased credit reserves in anticipation of higher customer default rates. finance.yahoo.com/news/daimler-s… This is likely not a short term phenomenon- when autonomous taxis come, many people may no longer need personal cars. In that case, auto loans would only look worse.
3) NXP said that anecdotally some customers are buying cars for the first time to avoid mass transit over health concerns. seekingalpha.com/article/434064… After the crisis subsides we could see more of this and more ridehailing. I can think of only one car with bio-defense mode...
4/ But on a more serious note, short haul flights clock in at 55 cents per mile. An autonomous taxi could price profitably at 25 cents per mile. This spells longer term trouble for flights.
5/ This is the common theme - some of the health crisis impacts may seem short term, but are actually just the start of more permanent disruptions we will likely see from innovation.

Bradd Libby (@bradd_libby) 4/29/20, 1:51 PM
 My reading of this press release is Volvo is doing the opposite: they are nixing some core job positions to focus on electrification, autonomy and shared mobility models. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to Ford and Volvo as a result
media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/m…
< Remember Volvo is a Chinese co and the Chinese govt wants electrification. I believe they will make the transition.
Ford on the other hand is looking at bankruptcy and then what? Maybe Rivian will end up buying Ford. :-)

John Beans (@john_beans) 4/29/20, 5:29 PM
GMs annual report was just grim.
They are being backed into a “trucks and financing” corner. Bad/backward progress in labor relations, China market, EV introductions. At least the slide is (relatively) slow.
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« Reply #1657 on: April 30, 2020, 08:32:58 PM »
Tesla’s pooling deal with Fiat-Chrysler is proving to be a killer combo in Europe
April 29, 2020
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New data from the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) shows that the pooling deal between Tesla and Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles is proving to be a strong force, as the two companies recently made up for 39% of the total electric vehicles registered in Europe.

According to the ICCT, the FCA-Tesla duo made up for nearly 2 of every five electric vehicles sold in Europe during the first quarter of 2020. The next closest competitor was Volvo, which shared 22% of the market with their electric cars. BMW was third with 14%.

“This is the result of a strong uptake of Tesla battery-electric vehicle sales, with a tenfold increase in deliveries in markets such as the UK, while at the same time sales of the Fiat brand combustion engine vehicles were cut in half compared to the previous month,” an ICCT Fact Sheet said.
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While other manufacturers like Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, and BMW continue to maintain high sales numbers through their lineup of petrol-powered sedans, the Tesla Model 3 has competed with these companies head-on. Figures from JATO Dynamics suggest that the Model 3 was the third most popular car, regardless of power source, in Europe in December 2019.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fca-europe-q1-sales-results

No mention that any changes in the European emission rules are anticipated.
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« Reply #1658 on: May 02, 2020, 09:47:39 PM »
“In their French tolling data studies, Gustav Eiffel University found that 80 times per day on average, two trucks of the same fleet pass the same toll gate within a minute on one another: a promising figure supporting within-fleet platooning.”

U.S. States Are Allowing Automated Follower Truck Platooning While The Swedes May Lead In Europe
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  As a quick review: truck platooning refers to safe close following (drafting) to improve fuel economy (4% for leader, 10% for follower) via “connected braking” between trucks enabled by vehicle-to-vehicle communications (DSRC). Current commercial platooning systems are designed to operate only on multi-lane, divided, limited access highways because that’s where the large number of users are operating.

First generation truck platooning, which has been making steady progress for some time, is poised for commercial launch. For Peloton Technology’s PlatoonPro product, the lead driver drives normally, supported by best-in-class active safety systems. The follow driver steers, monitors the road, and responds as needed to other traffic (for instance, making lane changes to allow traffic to merge onto the highway), but has feet off the pedals. This is an SAE Level 1 system. Drivers make the final call about if and when to platoon, and both drivers must agree to platoon. Both drivers are responsible for the safe operation of their vehicles. While Peloton’s initial system supports two-truck platooning, others in the industry have discussed platoons of three or more trucks. So far this is just talk, no product announcements of this sort have been made by OEMs or startups.

In second generation “automated following” platooning systems, the follow truck operates at SAE Level 4 while the lead truck is driven normally. The follow truck Operational Design Domain is tightly defined, encompassing the lead truck and any activity in the inter-vehicle gap. The lead truck driver is supported by ADAS systems including Forward Collision Avoidance and Mitigation. Fuel savings combine with enhanced driver productivity in the lead truck and labor savings in the follower truck to greatly enhance return-on-investment.

Commercial System Development
Both the vehicle industry and startups have been active in platooning to date. OEMs Daimler, Volvo, MAN, and Scania have deployed on-road prototypes. …

Trucking in the U.S. and Europe: Different Worlds
Many on both sides of the Atlantic don't realize that speeds, lanes, operations, and fleet sizes differ markedly between Europe and the U.S.

During S4P event panel discussions, many agreed that in Sweden “fuel savings alone” is not enough justification for an initial platooning system, pointing to the need for automated following. Why do they say this? In Europe, trucks are speed limited to 80 kph (50 mph). In the U.S., for the vast majority of highway miles truckers can travel at the same speeds as cars. Aerodynamic drag on trucks goes up with speed, meaning trucks in the U.S. are typically running at higher speeds by 20% or more compared to European operations. This is key — the higher the speed, the greater the platooning fuel economy benefit. That’s not all: because trucks must travel in the rightmost lane in Europe (with temporary exceptions for passing), this limitation in maneuvering further limits fuel savings potential there. On safety, Europe is way ahead of the U.S. Automated Emergency Braking has been required on all new heavy trucks sold in Europe since 2015.

In the U.S. the top ten fleets by size together comprise about 160,000 trucks. The top two fleets, FedEx and UPS, together have over 50,000 trucks. In contrast, the European trucking industry is highly fragmented and most fleets are small. Girteka Logistics, one of Europe’s largest trucking companies, has only 7,000 trucks. With smaller fleets in Europe, it’s more difficult to envision platooning until equipped trucks are ubiquitous.

Coming Soon
Any day now, the USDOT Federal Highway Administration is expected to announce one or more teams selected to conduct a Field Operational Test of first generation truck platooning as part of their Platooning Early Deployment Assessment project. Extensive data will be collected to assess impacts on safety, traffic flow, fleet operations, drivers, and infrastructure, among other factors.  Trucks are likely to be on the roads sometime next year.

The EU-wide version of S4P for inter-brand platooning is the ENSEMBLE project, which has been running since 2018 and finishes next year. ENSEMBLE is planning a multi-truck platooning demo this fall to show inter-operability across seven truck brands. Close cooperation between S4P and ENSEMBLE will ensure results go forward into the larger European telecommunications domain, where there is significant momentum to set an inter-vehicle data protocol standard for platooning, at least at the EU level. It’s not clear however if or when providers would be required to adhere to the standard.

Outlook
What can be concluded from this multiverse of activity? Clearly, platooning development is happening in many forms in many places. Fuel economy improvements are a definitive benefit in the U.S. and countries with similar trucking operations, like Australia. For the longer term the key motivator is the driver shortage, but road capacity, safety improvements, and vehicle efficiency are in play as well.

The European public and EU Member States place a premium on sustainability. Platooning contributes strongly here by reducing energy use and emissions. Even in a zero emission future with electric trucks, platooning still helps by extending range: less wind resistance means longer battery life. …
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbishop1/2020/05/02/us-states-are-allowing-automated-follower-truck-platooning-while-the-swedes-may-lead-in-europe/
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« Reply #1659 on: May 05, 2020, 06:05:17 AM »
Electric Cars Remain a Priority As China Recovers From Outbreak
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/04/electric-cars-take-the-spotlight-in-chinas-post-coronavirus-stimulus-plans.html

China announced policies designed to help new energy vehicles after the virus outbreak showed signs of being under control. New energy vehicle subsidies and tax policies that were due to expire in 2020 have been extended to 2022.

Experts said that China’s support of the new energy vehicle market is a long-term strategy for Beijing.

From January to March, the production of new energy vehicles fell more than 60% annually and sales dropped more than 56% as China battled the virus.
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« Reply #1660 on: May 05, 2020, 08:33:57 PM »
Climate in German auto sector slumps ahead of crunch Merkel meeting
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BERLIN (Reuters) - The business climate in Germany’s auto sector suffered its biggest slump and hit its lowest level in April since 1991, when the Ifo economic institute began collecting data post-reunification, a survey showed on Monday.

The news came ahead of a conference call that Chancellor Angela Merkel will hold with representatives of the German auto industry on Tuesday to discuss the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on production and sales.

Ahead of Tuesday’s meeting with Merkel, Volkswagen and Daimler have urged the government to help boost demand for cars.
The pandemic hammered first-quarter profits and forced both carmakers to drop their outlooks for the year.

Volkswagen restarted production at its Wolfsburg factory in Germany last week, the latest of a fleet of European carmakers to take advantage of eased coronavirus lockdown rules to resume manufacturing. …
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-autos-idUSKBN22G0VP

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Fiat Chrysler plunges to loss, to reopen U.S. plants on May 18
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MILAN (Reuters) - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) plunged to a first-quarter loss of $1.8 billion and warned of a “significant” loss this quarter, even as it prepares to reopen its most profitable North American truck plants on May 18 as coronavirus lockdowns ease.

The Italian-American company, which has struck a binding merger deal with France’s PSA Group (PEUP.PA) to create the world’s fourth largest carmaker, said on Tuesday that work on the tie-up was “progressing incredibly well.”

On a conference call, Chief Executive Michael Manley said “the terms of the deal have not changed” and FCA (FCHA.MI) (FCAU.N) remained “committed to completing the transaction by the end of this year or early 2021.”

FCA has begun reopening plants in China and Europe, and said most of its North American ones were expected to reopen on May 18.

In the United States, UAW president Rory Gamble responded to the planned restart by saying automakers must “implement and follow the guidelines” for worker safety that the union had worked out with them. The union had objected to automakers’ original plans to reopen in early May. …
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fca-results/fiat-chrysler-plunges-to-loss-to-reopen-u-s-plants-on-may-18-idUSKBN22H1CL

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He trots out all the typical anti-EV arguments: too expensive, not practical, money-losing, and no demand.
New Honda Canada CEO dismisses electric vehicles as a ‘political agenda’
https://electrek.co/2020/04/30/new-honda-canada-ceo-dismisses-electric-vehicles-as-a-political-agenda/

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BYD Enters European EV Car Market Starting With Tang SUV in Norway
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BYD announced today that soon it will enter the European electric car market. At first, for kind of a trial, BYD will launch its all-electric Tang SUV (the second-generation from 2019) in Norway in 2020.

The prices are not yet known, but they might be very competitive. The base version in China starts at 259,900 juan (after subsidies), which is €33,754/€36,800.

With 82.8 kWh, the Tang 600 can go up to 520 km (323 miles) NEDC or probably up to 400 km (250 miles) in the real world. We assume that the all-wheel-drive version 600D will also be available. … All-electric commercial vehicles, including vans, distribution trucks and yard tractors will follow. …
https://insideevs.com/news/419889/byd-enters-european-ev-car-market-norway/amp/

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Volkswagen planning to launch a new brand focused on EV's priced less than €20,000
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As Volkswagen plans to be making a million EV's a year by 2023 and to do this it will need to bring the price down to attract a wider audience. The world is going electric and at the moment most of these electric are high range and high cost, however to attract ICE buyers, cheaper city cars will be needed and this is exactly where Volkswagen group is looking.

In line with BMW using Mini as their cheap electric city car, the VW group is looking to launch a new brand which will focus on small and inexpensive city cars whose prices are all sub €20,000. To achieve this it is taking the already established MEB EV platform it is using for Audi, Volkswagen, Seat and Skoda. They are planning to highly modify the platform and shorten it to about 13 feet in length.

Today Automotive News spoke on the subject and reports that "Adapting the architecture for small city cars in a cost-efficient way is proving to be challenging because of the need to strip out a third of the costs compared with the ID.3." They also spoke to sources about the other issue with smaller cars which is safety, "Engineers have looked at everything from smaller electric motors to different battery module configurations to give the small EVs the high standard of crash protection that will be expected by customers." …
https://drivetribe.com/p/volkswagen-planning-to-launch-a-e2aFDozMQZ6_v6FZeZTZLQ

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Utilities should charge electric delivery trucks as a new rate class, take other cost-cutting steps: Amazon-led alliance
Ceres report predicts upfront costs of many EVs below those of internal combustion engine vehicles by 2030

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Delivery giants Amazon.com, DHL and others are urging utilities, regulators and policy-makers to make the private sector’s transition to electric-vehicle fleets faster, easier and more affordable.

A report issued Tuesday from their Corporate Electric Vehicle Alliance argues that EV technologies are producing lower costs, greater range and faster charging, but inconsistencies remain that are slowing the conversion promoted by Amazon and other companies, many with significant renewable-energy pledges in recent months.

Among them, Amazon has said it is working toward using 100% renewable energy by 2030, including through an order of 100,000 electric delivery vans from a Midwest company, Rivian, which the online retailer took a $440 million stake in.

“Amazon’s order of 100,000 new electric delivery vehicles from Rivian, the largest order ever of electric delivery vehicles, will have a significant impact in reducing our carbon footprint and help us on our path to net-zero [emissions] by 2040,” said Ross Rachey, director, Global Fleet & Products, Amazon Logistics, in a release as part of the EV report.
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« Reply #1661 on: May 05, 2020, 09:57:47 PM »
Diesel cars decline on UK roads but diesel-pickup sales jump in the US
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It appears that the UK hit peak diesel last year and is not looking back. The RAC Foundation reported that there were 12.4 million diesel cars on UK roads in 2018, but that number fell to below 12.3 million last year. Meanwhile, in Q1 2020, the Diesel Technology Forum (DTM) said there was a rise in diesel sales this year, mostly among pickup trucks. …
https://electrek.co/2020/05/04/diesel-cars-decline-on-uk-roads-but-diesel-pickup-sales-jump-in-the-us/

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London firms partner to convert 1,000 storage units to EV charging hubs
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The plight of urban dwellers who have no assigned parking spaces is emerging as the next big roadblock to faster EV adoption. In London, an estimated 78% of households have no private parking spaces, and Mayor Sadiq Khan has set a target of deploying 50,000 charging points in the city by 2025.

With encouragement from local government, companies are coming up with creative ways to get large numbers of charging points into service quickly—for example, a startup called char.gy is installing chargers in lamp posts.

The latest outside-the-box idea comes from a couple of companies that want to unlock the potential of what the Brits call “lock-up garages” (we Yanks tend to call them “self-storage units” or “mini-warehouses”) by turning them into local charging hubs.

InfraTech Property Solutions (IPS) manages hundreds of lock-up sites around London. SSE Enterprise provides various energy and communication solutions, including EVSE. The two firms have formed a partnership to build smart charging sites called Digital Community Hubs (DCHs), which will combine rapid charging with 5G and Edge computing technology. According to the companies, a typical DCH will consist of 10-20 fast charging bays, with solar panels, battery storage and coffee service for waiting drivers. IPS will provide the real estate, and SSE Enterprise will design and operate the EV charging infrastructure.
https://chargedevs.com/newswire/london-firms-partner-to-convert-1000-storage-units-to-ev-charging-hubs/
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« Reply #1662 on: May 07, 2020, 02:11:39 PM »
Interesting Sono Motors blog entry on the integration of solar cells in the Sion exterior. This sounds very promising:

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« Reply #1663 on: May 07, 2020, 02:25:26 PM »
The Sion is such an amazing car. I really hope they succeed.

Solar cars are the future!

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Norway’s April EV Market Share Jumps To 70%, Strongest Growth In 2 Years
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April saw clean transport pioneer Norway’s market share of plug-in electric vehicles jump to 70%, sharply up from 50% a year ago. This is the biggest year-on-year climb that we have seen in two years. Popular plug-in models in April included the Audi e-tron, VW e-Golf, and Nissan LEAF. The overall auto market saw a 34% drop in volume.
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Tesla did not make shipment of the popular Model 3 from California to Norway in April.
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« Reply #1665 on: May 09, 2020, 09:31:13 PM »
It’s easier to disinfect a car than a driver or passengers.

This pandemic shows demand for autonomous vehicles could be larger than expected - Axios
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Self-driving cars are the kind of speculative, cash-gobbling experiment that typically gets axed at a time like this. But if anything, this pandemic has shown the demand for autonomous vehicles could be larger than expected.

Why it matters: People are re-examining their personal transportation options to maximize social distancing while discovering they can get almost anything they need delivered quickly to their home — two trends that could radically change the future of transportation.

1. People might shun public transportation, but they still need to get around.
   •   More than 20% of respondents who regularly use buses, subways and trains said they would stop doing so, and 28% said they would use them less often, according to an IBM study of consumer behavior.
   •   Not everyone has that option. People who don't own a car or can't walk to a grocery store "are taking some personal risk getting on a bus or a subway," says Waymo CEO John Krafcik.
   •   Waymo's self-driving minivans, which will resume testing Monday in Phoenix, could offer an alternative, he says.

2. Widespread use of personal cars isn't practical in cities.
   •   17% of people surveyed said they plan to use ride-sharing less often, and 1 in 4 said they plan to use their personal vehicle exclusively from now on, IBM's study found.
   •   "Mobility cannot be satisfied with owning a car, especially in urban areas," says Mobileye's Shashua.
   •   For city dwellers, that means shared AV fleets will likely be part of the solution.

3. Building trust in shared AVs requires a new dimension in safety: hygiene.
   •   Consumers want to know their self-driving car won't crash, or give them a potentially deadly virus.
   •   Look for companies to employ innovations like UV lights to regularly disinfect vehicles and to promote cleanliness as a way to help passengers feel safe, writes Reilly Brennan, a partner at Trucks Venture Capital, in a recent blog post.

4. Autonomous delivery is ready to take off.
   •   A 30% surge in e-commerce since early March, plus the growing popularity of "contactless" delivery for everything from groceries and pizza to new vehicles underscores the potential for robot delivery services.
   •   Some companies are already dabbling in autonomous delivery during the pandemic. In San Francisco, some Cruise test vehicles are making deliveries for food pantries; in Las Vegas, Aptiv's test vehicles are delivering meals for Lyft.
The bottom line: Creating a self-driving service involves more than building a safe vehicle. It has to deliver value to consumers. The pandemic might be a catalyst for adoption.
https://www.axios.com/self-driving-cars-after-coronavirus-698803d9-94e5-4b8b-8bd0-c4b4a9b250c3.html


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“Every fleet with electric commercial vehicles will benefit from mobile fast charging,” said Lightning Systems CEO Tim Reeser. “Uptime is the name of the game for fleets. While operators will schedule vehicle duties to include depot-based charging, there’s always the chance that a vehicle will need a top-up at another location or en route. There is also often the need for DC fast charging at locations or times that may not already be permitted for fast chargers or where demand rates would prohibit fast charging direct from the grid. Lightning Mobile fulfills all these needs.”
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« Reply #1666 on: May 10, 2020, 08:27:11 AM »
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I hope this will not be the outcome of the pandemic. When the virus is under control public transport should be brought back to normal, though hopefully many more people will work from home and traffic loads should be reduced.
Regarding driverless cars, certainly a taxi with no driver would have been quite popular nowadays while taxis were nearly grounded, another nail in the coffin of this difficult job that many people find themselves stuck in after their previous career has gone bust, or to make ends meet.

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« Reply #1667 on: May 10, 2020, 04:55:06 PM »
We are already socially distanced from nature.
We are now to be socially distanced from each other - perhaps for a long time.

Our streets will be full of autonomous hardware & software while we sit in a room with some holograms to give us an enhanced illusion of space.

And the driverless car or drone will say "have a nice day" as it dumps the next box of goodies at our door.

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« Reply #1668 on: May 10, 2020, 09:52:24 PM »
As the repercussions of this catastrophe roll on public transport will be in minimal mode for a long time.  Potentially until there is a vaccene.  Meaning many private firms are likely to go under without significant government support.

At the same time any people who are moving to home working are less likely to use public transport and more likely to use their own transport.

When you have invested in season tickets for public transport for travel to work, you are naturally more likely to use it for many other things as it is a "free" trip as such.  As soon as the season ticket goes away, the price of ad hoc public transport use rises dramatically, pushing people into their own vehicles.

The outcome of this pandemic is going to keep research grants alive for decades as they map out the ramifications.

Governments who pass laws forcing companies to offer work from home may damage public transport infrastructure even more.

As this plays out, I will keep that in mind.
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« Reply #1669 on: May 14, 2020, 09:43:25 PM »
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Tesla Supercharger usage by region
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1261009993588862976

Besides the lockdown effects, it’s easy to see the spikes in North American usage last Nov and Dec for traditional US Thanksgiving and Christmas travel.
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« Reply #1670 on: May 20, 2020, 12:46:01 AM »
While oil prices are low now, many marginal, expensive, oil producers like the Canadian tar sands, US shale frackers and Brazilian deep offshore fields are being shut down.  When demand returns, oil will be expensive because many of these fields will have been damaged by the shutdown.  This will accelerate the transition to electric vehicles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-data-esg-autos/past-its-peak-battered-oil-demand-faces-threat-from-electric-vehicles-idUSKBN22V1HY

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Past its peak? Battered oil demand faces threat from electric vehicles
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LONDON (Reuters) - Oil companies may be facing uncertainty as the coronavirus pandemic triggers a collapse in demand for their products, but auto makers are betting the crisis will help accelerate an electric future.

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Looking ahead, cuts in capital spending forced upon energy companies as their revenues crumble could tighten supply enough to cause a spike in oil prices, making electric vehicles more attractive just as automakers ramp up production, analysts say.

“We think this will lead to a tipping point, accelerating the switch to electric vehicles in many more countries around 2023-24,”
Per Magnus Nysveen, senior partner at Rystad Energy, a consultancy in Oslo, told Reuters.

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“All the growth in transportation is being eaten by electricity,” said Harry Benham, chairman of Ember-Climate, a British energy transition think-tank. “Oil and gas companies have got no ability to defeat electricity as a transport fuel.”

PEAK OIL DEMAND?

With fuel for road transport accounting for about half of all oil demand, the possibility of a faster-than-expected switch to EVs in the wake of the pandemic is one of the main reasons some forecasts for a peak have been brought forward.

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Though as yet a minority view, some believe the pandemic is reshaping patterns of work, aviation and commuting so profoundly that oil demand might never return to 2019 levels - a potential boost to hopes of avoiding the worst impacts of climate change.

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« Reply #1671 on: May 20, 2020, 11:14:30 AM »
So peak oil demand will lead to a spike in prices that will help grow EVs and bring about peak oil demand. Logical.
One must face realities. Should there be a spike in oil prices, investments will come roaring back. Oil's demise will not come from a lack of supply. And EV growth could slow because of low oil prices, though I hope not.

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« Reply #1672 on: May 20, 2020, 02:57:32 PM »
The European Commission is set to promote a shift to electric vehicles as part of greening the economic recovery plan.

“Massive support for the automotive industry will put significant debt on future generations. That support must respect our youth’s expectations on climate change and for a healthier and cleaner future.”
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 *ELECTRIC CARS SET TO GET BOOST IN EUROPE’S GREEN RECOVERY PLAN - BBG
*#EU CONSIDERS VAT EXEMPTION FOR ZERO-EMISSION CARS
https://twitter.com/c_barraud/status/1262761982983204864

< The last line. VAT ( sales tax) is between 18 and 25% within the EU. In ireland it’s 23%, and we have VRT of 14% on TOP of 10% import tax so your average EV coming from outside EU, costs up to 40% more than the US. This is HUGE.
<< Hoping for something to the cybertruck. Pickups has 20-22% import tax in EU, plus then 25% VAT here in Sweden. That could lead to a really high price. Add strengthening of the dollar in last years.
< If it’s made in GigaBerlin then it’ll have no taxes... if this goes ahead. Mind *blown*
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Negative equity on trade-ins jumps to record, Edmunds says
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Consumers are upside down on trade-ins like never before, Edmunds said. A record percentage of trade-ins last month were worth less than what was owed, the company said in a statement, and the gap was the widest it's ever been.

The data shows that 44 percent of new-vehicle sales with a trade-in had negative equity in April, up from 33 percent in April 2019. The average amount owed on upside-down loans also hit a record high of $5,571 in April, compared with $5,036 a year earlier, according to the statement.

The recent drop in used-vehicle values has tipped the scale for many consumers, said Ivan Drury, Edmunds senior manager of insights.
"People who were at breakeven or slightly positive could now be staring at negative equity unknowingly," he told Automotive News in an email.

Consumers who purchase a car now, though, could potentially save thousands of dollars over the life of their loan because of generous discounts from automakers and lower interest rates.

The average interest rate for loans involving trade-ins with a carried-over balance dropped to 4.7 percent in April from 7.3 percent a year earlier. …
  (paywall) https://www.autonews.com/finance-insurance/negative-equity-trade-ins-jumps-record-edmunds-says

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“The finance arms of U.S. automakers including General Motors & Ford Motor may face multi-billion-dollar losses linked to the dramatic drop in used-vehicle prices, JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts have said.” bloomberg.com/news/articles/… $TSLA
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Coincidence? @Ford
https://twitter.com/valueanalyst1/status/1262817512841981954

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Imagine Tesla’s total debt was 10x of its market cap or $1.5 TRILLION.
That’s @Ford today.
$TSLA #TeslaKillerCemetery $F
https://twitter.com/valueanalyst1/status/1260608297742282753
- When $F collapses in six months, demand for #Cybertruck will multiply

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The automaker was in trouble before the pandemic. Now it faces $2.8 billion in steep cuts to survive. ...

GM Wants To Be At 'Total Production' By Mid-June
On Monday, the rest of the North American auto industry will slowly begin production again. Supplier companies already got started this week. And while Ford and Fiat Chrysler haven't made similar commitments, GM executives think plants will be back to their pre-pandemic operating levels by June 15.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/33442/the-ax-is-about-to-fall-on-nissan


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Huge, beautiful; 600-mile range — and would have cost $182,000 to make.
Dyson unveils its $500 million electric car that was cancelled
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Ford briefly halts output at 2 factories after workers test positive dlvr.it/RX3BbN 
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Tesla's U.S. sales were really strong last quarter.
#FindTheTeslaBubble
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« Reply #1675 on: May 21, 2020, 10:08:04 PM »
First Lexus EV comes with 1 million-km warranty for its air-cooled battery
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…the crossover’s air-cooled 54.3-kilowatt-hour battery will come with a 10-year, 1 million-kilometer (621,000-mile) warranty. The Lexus UX300e joins the Nissan Leaf as one of the few EVs with air-cooled batteries, which are considered not as robust.

Nissan uses a passive system, while Lexus’s approach is active, essentially extending the cabin AC and heating system to the battery pack.

The electric UX has a range rating of 400 km (248 miles) on the NEDC cycle. The charging capacity is 6.6 kW for AC, with a 50 kW capacity for a DC quick charger.

The Lexus UX300e sells for the equivalent of about $54,000 in China. In Europe, the price is expected to start at about $45,000. The all-electric Lexus will be introduced in Japan in 2021.
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Lucid unveils its fleet of ‘beta’ Air prototype electric cars
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In April, Lucid aimed to unveil the production version of the Lucid Air at the New York Auto show, but it was canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic. The company plans to still unveil the production version later this year and bring it to the market by the end of the year.

He said that the Lucid Air is going to be equipped with a more than 900V system, will have up to 400 miles of real-world range, and more. The first version of the car, which might be called Dream Edition based on the new teaser, is expected to cost over $100,000 and have up to 1,000hp.

The preparations for the start of production have shown progress in Arizona with the site starting to look like a factory, but it is still unclear if Lucid can still bring the Air to production on its 2020 timeline.
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2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV cues a shift to over-the-air updates
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When it arrives late this year, the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV will be one of the first mass-produced vehicles on the market to offer over-the-air (OTA) firmware updates from the start.

The first mass-produced vehicle not from Tesla, that is. …
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128123_2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-suv-cues-a-shift-to-over-the-air-updates

“Some [OTA updates] will be completed almost instantly, while others will take about two minutes.”
Two minutes?  Either these are extremely minor updates, or customers are leaving themselves open for unexpected problems.  After major OTA updates, Teslas remain non-operational for 45 minutes or so while the computer checks all the car’s systems, including HVAC, fans, lights, horn, etc.
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« Reply #1676 on: May 22, 2020, 01:18:22 AM »
Yet another article on EVs accelerating peak oil demand.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-EV-Boom-Could-Accelerate-Peak-Oil-Demand.html

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The EV Boom Could Accelerate Peak Oil Demand
By Tsvetana Paraskova - May 21, 2020

The COVID-19 pandemic has dramatically changed the short-term outlook for global vehicle manufacturing industry and sales, including sales of electric vehicles (EVs).

But policy actions to support decarbonization and lower-emission transportation in the post-virus world could accelerate the energy transition and displace larger volumes of oil demand for road transport to the point of bringing peak oil demand closer than previously anticipated.

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Despite the high uncertainty regarding the current state of the car market, all auto manufacturers are sticking to their EV plans and ambitions to boost the offerings of EVs significantly in the coming decade.

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While all car sales are set to drop this year, EV sales will fall by a lower percentage than conventional car sales, according to the new Long-Term Electric Vehicle Outlook published by research company BloombergNEF (BNEF) this week.

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Nevertheless, long-term EV sales prospects are still bright. EV sales are set to increase from 1.7 million in 2020 to 8.5 million in 2025 and 54 million in 2040, BNEF said. The share of EVs of global new car sales is set to jump to 58 percent in 2040 from just 2.7 percent in 2020.

The key drivers of wider EV adoption will be continuously falling battery pack prices, compelling new EV models, and policy pressure for decarbonization in many countries, according to BNEF.

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« Reply #1677 on: May 22, 2020, 02:03:44 AM »
New electric cars 2020: What’s coming and when?
Every debut and new model due to arrive over the next twelve months, all in one place


A large number of EV models coming to Europe in the next 12 months.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-electric-cars-2020-2021

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« Reply #1678 on: May 22, 2020, 11:30:48 AM »


“Some [OTA updates] will be completed almost instantly, while others will take about two minutes.”
Two minutes?  Either these are extremely minor updates, or customers are leaving themselves open for unexpected problems.  After major OTA updates, Teslas remain non-operational for 45 minutes or so while the computer checks all the car’s systems, including HVAC, fans, lights, horn, etc.

Why should that be a problem? Tesla is taking a VERY relaxed approach to updates. It seems that they decided that the customers don't mind if the car needs an update and cannot be used for 20 - 40 minutes. And I think this is actually true. However all other OEMs don't have this relaxed attitude and would like to avoid that that the car is not usable 'at all costs' - this is literally the case as most OEMs use larger memories on the micro controller to get faster OTA times. They actually double the memory on the micro to download the new code into the spare memory and than they can switch to the new application in an instance.

Also there could be a difference with the update policy as such. Tesla releases a complete package which includes the code for the different controller. Other OEMs might use a more sequential approach. This could means that there will be just an update for the ABS system while everything else stays the same. An I don't see a problem with this approach as such.

And when reading the Tesla forums, there are enough bugs in the Tesla software which re-appear with updates....


With the programming speed of the micro controller memory in the range of Mbytes/s two minutes can download a huge application into the micro controller. Usually the applications are a lot smaller.

So from my point of view - and I'm working in this field - the Tesla approach with the updates and that those take 20 - 40 minutes is NOT based on any technical requirement, but is more based on the fact that they wanted to safe money on the required memory sizes. But don't get me wrong, I think this is a good decision, as I don't mind an update now and then during the night!


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« Reply #1679 on: May 24, 2020, 04:05:50 AM »
New electric cars 2020: What’s coming and when?
Every debut and new model due to arrive over the next twelve months, all in one place


A large number of EV models coming to Europe in the next 12 months.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-electric-cars-2020-2021

This is quite an extensive list, but the details are outdated.  For example, it says the Tesla Model Y isn’t due in the U.S. until Autumn 2020, but they are actually being delivered now.
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« Reply #1680 on: May 26, 2020, 01:53:51 PM »
Army Converts Heat Into Electricity to Power Autonomous Robots for Months
https://www.hackster.io/news/u-s-army-aims-for-a-world-first-with-a-stirling-engine-to-harvest-heat-and-drive-an-autonomous-car-f186549b3f41

https://www.army.mil/article/235022

ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND, Md. -- An energy-efficient generator intended to power private residences could power autonomous military vehicles for months, according to Army researchers.

A team of scientists and engineers from the U.S. Army Combat Capabilities Development Command's Army Research Laboratory focused on accelerating Army modernization. The tests are part of work began almost two years ago in support of the Department of Energy's Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy initiative to evaluate the Stirling cycle generator, which is known for its high-efficiency, virtually silent, long life and low emissions.

Justin Shumaker, the lab's lead researcher on the project, said he believes this is the first time a Stirling generator of this scale has been used for propulsion on an autonomous ground vehicle -- a tough task for a generator originally designed to generate electricity and provide heat for homes, he said.

"In order for a Stirling engine to operate, there needs to be a temperature difference between the hot and cold ends," Shumaker said. "The cooling loop removes heat from the cold end to keep it cold." The researchers designed and manufactured several new technologies to use this generator for propulsion. The first was a DC-DC power converter that efficiently transforms electrical power from the Stirling generator set to the vehicle's electrical bus.

They also modified a Clearpath Robotics Warthog, a large all-terrain unmanned ground vehicle capable of traveling on land and in water, leaving only the original chassis and wheels intact.


The test vehicle is based on a Warthog chassis and wheelbase

The team then designed a new battery using lithium-titanate cells and a battery management system, which is required to ensure the batteries are safe to use.

Shumaker said they also designed a cooling loop for the new equipment.

"This all has to be done in a way that integrates well with the vehicle, is reliable, has enough headroom to operate on very hot days and uses very little electricity for the pumps and fans," he said. There are many mechanical, electrical and software elements required to integrate a Stirling generator set into a hybrid electric vehicle for propulsion.

... "It's more likely to see this generator used as a feasibility study and identify ways to improve it and scale it up," Shumaker said. "What we learn from evaluating this genset will inform ways to improve the genset for a future Army system, whether for propulsion or as a stationary generator." Shumaker said he hopes there will be an opportunity to fund a next-generation version of this technology and "focus on aspects that involve making it lighter and more cost effective because the efficiency is already very good."

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« Reply #1681 on: May 27, 2020, 05:42:41 PM »
In the old days, before the pandemîc, it was considered unsafe to ride in a vehicle that was being towed.  Nowdays, it’s considered too risky for passengers to ride in the towtruck cab.  Welcome to the movie world of riding a vehicle on a flatbed.

What Happens When Your Tesla Needs A Tow During A Pandemic?
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/05/20/what-happens-when-your-tesla-needs-a-tow-during-a-pandemic/

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Lordstown Motors Chief Says New Factory Could 600,000 Electric Vehicles A Year
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Lordstown Motors is using the manufacturing delay caused by the coronavirus to reconfigure the Lordstown assembly plant it bought from General Motors last year to build its Endurance electric pickups trucks. It expects to manufacture 30 pre-production trucks before the end of this year.

CEO Steve Burns, who previously founded Workhorse, says he expects to build 20,000 electric trucks in 2021 and will hire 600 workers to make that possible, but that is just the tip of his ambitions. The Lordstown factory could build 400,000 cars a year at its peak, but Burns tells the Detroit Free Press that because electric vehicles have many fewer parts and components, it should be possible to build 600,000 electric trucks and SUVs there a year. ...
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/05/25/lordstown-motors-chief-says-new-factory-could-600000-electric-vehicles-a-year/
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May 27, 2020
U.S. states sue Trump administration over fuel efficiency rollback
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A group of 23 U.S. states and the District of Columbia filed a lawsuit on Wednesday challenging a Trump administration decision to weaken Obama-era fuel efficiency standards.

In March, the Trump administration issued final rules requiring 1.5% annual increases in vehicle fuel efficiency through 2026 - far weaker than the 5% increases in the discarded rules set under former President Barack Obama. But the Trump administration also abandoned its August 2018 proposal to freeze requirements at 2020 levels through 2026.

Last week, a trade group representing General Motors Co (GM.N), Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCAU.N), Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) and others sided with the Trump administration on its plan and opposed a legal challenge to further weaken the requirements.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel called the rule a “gift to the fossil fuel industry” that would harm the state, home to Detroit’s Big Three automakers, because it would reduce automotive-related employment by 4%. …
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-autos-emissions-idUSKBN2332UT

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DETROIT (Reuters) - In the week since U.S. auto factories reopened after coronavirus lockdowns, workers at all three Detroit automakers have tested positive for COVID-19 but only Ford Motor Co has temporarily closed plants.

The U.S. auto industry reopened many plants last week after a two-month shutdown due to the global pandemic. To ensure safety during the outbreak, companies imposed new safety measures, including screening employees, use of face masks and social distancing.

Ford paused production at its Claycomo, Missouri, plant for an hour on Tuesday after a worker tested positive. Work resumed at the plant, which builds the F-150 pickup truck and Transit van, without workers being sent home following a deep cleaning, Ford spokeswoman Kelli Felker said Wednesday. …
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-autos-plants-idUSKBN2332H8

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NIO Earnings Show China’s EV Market Is Rebounding. That’s Good for Tesla.
The Chinese electric-vehicle maker saw demand rebound from China’s Covid-19 economic slump in April.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/nio-stock-earnings-china-electric-vehicles-deliveries-covid-19-5159067264

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Who's ready for Battery Day? ;D #These8AreNotReady 
https://twitter.com/teslaphx/status/1264581893367820289
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« Reply #1683 on: June 03, 2020, 06:18:39 PM »
Wide-ranging and non-confrontational.  I’ll leave the other adjectives up to you. ;)

Interview: Nikola Motor CEO Trevor Milton (06.02.20)
      Rob Maurer, June 3, 2020
Nikola Motor’s CEO and founder, Trevor Milton, joins Rob Maurer to discuss Nikola Corporation’s merger with VectoIQ (VTIQ), Nikola’s strategies, production roadmap, hydrogen vs. battery storage, battery breakthroughs, competition, and Nikola’s lawsuit against Tesla.
0:00 VTIQ / NKLA Nikola merger

4:35 NKLA valuation

9:50 Nikola production roadmap

16:48 Hydrogen vs. batteries

19:53 Hydrogen well-to-wheel efficiency

24:35 Hydrogen storage vs. battery storage

28:52 Hydrogen station costs

30:28 Nikola’s battery technology and alleged battery breakthrough

36:23 Nikola’s service strategy
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40:57 Nikola’s short and medium term constraints

44:38 Nikola’s lawsuit against Tesla

53:40 The end of diesel and legacy automakers

56:38 Hydrogen and battery powered aviation

Audio only:  techcastdaily.com/2020/06/03/interview-nikola-motor-ceo-trevor-milton-06-02-20/

Interview: Nikola Motor CEO Trevor Milton (Tesla Daily) (VTIQ, NKLA) - YouTube

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U.S. court: Individual counties can sue VW over diesel emissions; financial implications 'staggering'
Potential penalties from just these two counties could be $11.2 billion a year
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https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/02/volkswagen-county-lawsuits-over-diesel-emissions/
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« Reply #1685 on: June 04, 2020, 08:41:07 PM »
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The German Government Coalition agreed tonight on a €130bn stimulus package to support the economy in the crisis.
A part of the €50bn future investment will go into BEV and charging infrastructure.  ICE/Diesel are excluded.
https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1268306897758642176
- That are good news and I expect the measures to have a strong positive impact on the economy while they put pressure on German Automakers to develop and manufacture better and more BEVs. The financial pressure on incumbents increases.
- VAT is reduced from 19% down to 16% starting July 1st until end of 2020. That translates into a vehicle tax reduction of 3%
- As the tax reduction takes effect July 1st we can expect extremely poor vehicle sales in June.

Alex (@alex_avoigt) 6/3/20, 6:54 PM
The German Government DOUBLES the BEV incentive
A BEV that costs up to €40k gets now €6k from the Government + €3k from the Automaker = €9k incentive
On top a 3% VAT reduction applies
Battery Manufacturers are included in a incentive program as well (hint: Tesla)
https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1268315212807131142
< The base Model has to be below 40k to qualify for 6k incentive. Model 3 SR+ is below 40k, so all Model3 variants get 6k!
Alex: The only change Tesla does need to do is to adjust the 19% VAT in the shown price down to 16%. That will happen July 1st.
The rest remains the same

< Wow, no subsidies for ICE at all? The lobbying of the legacy automakers failed? That would be an amazing development.
Alex: Yes they failed but still get a 3% VAT reduction.  The SPD party was against ICE incentives opposing the CDU/CSU.  It's been likely traded in against some other incentives e.g. for families.
< But Tesla will also get the 3% VAT reduction. And I assume Tesla can also claim a decent chunk of the BEV/Charging stimulus with Giga Berlin and the Tesla Berlin Research Centre.
Alex:  Yes to 3% VAT.  Tesla will be likely able to get funds for Battery Production in GF Berlin but not for R&D Berlin


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Germany stated that it obliges all gas stations in the country to offer charging for electric vehicles to stimulate demand for cars that reduce the negative impact on the environment.

According to Reuters, this statement was made as part of a large-scale economic recovery plan of 130 billion euros ($146.26 billion) to increase demand for electric cars, which is hampered by consumer concerns about charging.

Step-by-step taxes are also part of this plan to impose a fine on the ownership of large polluting combustion-engined sports utility vehicles.
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/germany-government-forces-all-gas-stations-to-provide-ev-charging
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« Reply #1686 on: June 05, 2020, 10:33:06 PM »
Germany doesn't have an oil extraction industry to care about, and looks like the elites have belatedly woken up to the need to get the German car manufacturers into the EV space asap before they become irrelevant. Goes with the 2020 EU28 regulations on car GHG emissions forcing manufacturers into the EV space.

And in the US the subsidies go to .... oil and gas, airlines, and financial and real estate manipulators, while the state continues to cut regulations to make it easier for the oil and gas industry and for the car manufacturers to stay with ICEs longer.

So the US will have Tesla and the Chinese and the EU (Germany and France) will still have many major-league car manufacturers. And probably Tesla more and more dependent on foreign sales (and manufacturing). The US will remain exceptional ... in its reliance on ICE vehicles and the global irrelevance of its other major car manufacturers.

This is called "standing up to China"?, more like intentionally breaking your own leg before a race.

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« Reply #1687 on: June 07, 2020, 06:07:58 PM »
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Herbert Diess
"We have to cut R&D, Investing and Fix costs significantly versus the plan"
"Net liquidity will be reduced until at least July because of low demand"
"Not all VW Brands will have a positive annual result"
VW is now in a financial crisis cutting cost everywhere
https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1269400568889511937

According to the Management meeting the Automobilwoche reported from VW validates to eliminate entire Models.
This is bad and the sudden cost cutting shows that they are surprised about the demand weakness.
wiwo.de/unternehmen/in…
https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1269403443933962240

Link to German article at the link.

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EV News Daily (at [home]) (@EVNewsDaily) 6/6/20, 9:01 AM
On the @InsideEVs podcast yesterday one of the listeners said I was surely exaggerating for effect when I recounted how Toyota UK have discouraged plug-in cars to flog soft hybrids, with their ‘sad plugs’ campaign.

Wish I was. Their anti-plug marketing continues to baffle me  :-\
https://twitter.com/evnewsdaily/status/1269253085844705283
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« Reply #1688 on: June 07, 2020, 06:48:49 PM »
UK TV advertising is heavily for non plug in hybrid right now. Can't see why myself but it is the story they are selling.
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« Reply #1689 on: June 07, 2020, 07:53:17 PM »
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VW ID.X SOFTWARE
From someone I trust :
“VW code and systems are among the worst I've EVER seen”
“the software appears to be written by a classroom of drunken sleep-deprived 4th graders”
“unbelievable this level of work passed code review”
“needs a scrap and rewrite”
 :(
https://twitter.com/jpr007/status/1269188327174860802

Alex (@alex_avoigt) 6/6/20, 8:09 AM

I heard almost the same from a trusted source a few months ago.
VW seems to try to make a bad code working instead of throwing it in the bin accepting a delay and make it right from start.
   That does not sound promising for the ID.3 launch
https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1269240054507077634 /size]

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Alex: Another positive in the German crisis fund is that ICE vehicles will be taxed based on CO2 emission, IOW a highly pollution vehicle cost you more.
That was before not always the case.
BEV are free of taxes for 10 years. This is granted until 2025 & extended now to 2030
https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1268527879249375232

Alex:The simple fact that the German Auto Industry is very disappointed about not having gotten the requested incentive for ICE is prove of claim that they do not believe in their own BEV program.
This is sad and revealing.

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Captain Hype (@Captn_Hype) 6/5/20, 1:20 AM
#eUp sold out - delivery for ordering now: next year
#eGolf: no more ordering possible
#ID3: Stuck in S/W Production hell

#VW is TRAPPED

https://twitter.com/captn_hype/status/1268774748907020292

Alex: Most German Automakers can't deliver BEVs and if its just the high end vehicles and nothing for the mass market.
The Tesla Model 3 is the best option and I expect strong numbers for the SR+ in July and onwards.
 

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German Auto industry has 440,000 mainly ICE vehicles in parking lots waiting and 50% reduced vehicle sales in May alone.
bild.de/auto/service/s…
https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1268866607473983489
Article in German at the link.

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 In France, the incentive has been increased to 7 000 € for cars less than 45k in an attempt to boost the sales due to the current crisis. It was 6000€ before. Source: demarches.interieur.gouv.fr/particuliers/b…
https://twitter.com/milhooz/status/1269194132158918657
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« Reply #1690 on: June 08, 2020, 11:38:24 AM »
Yep the software situation is pretty dire

https://www.eenewsautomotive.com/news/reports-volkswagen-struggles-software-problems-id3#

But it appears to be more than just software.

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Company insiders quoted by the paper consider this an understatement. “It’s no longer a laughing matter,” they write. The car is far from being ready for the market, according to the source. Another source is also of the opinion that the company is “not even close to an industrial production process at ID.3”. VW CEO Diess will definitely have a few cars to show this summer, “but we’ll tinker them by hand so that something is there”. This has nothing to do with series production.

Reported at the end of March.

https://www.electrive.com/2020/03/26/volkswagen-id-3-still-suffering-from-software-issues/

The recent shuffling of management seems to have calmed the situation, but the carefully controlled news seems to point to a new vehicle with little more capability than a standard ICE.

Time will tell as they say.  For my twopenneth worth, the UK NHS set out a goal of a covid tracing app in May.  Testing proved it wasn't ready.  Now they are looking at the apple and Google apps.  The NHS suck at software projects and always have.  It is beginning to look like VW  is finding that they were really good at programming ASICs for vertical apps but suck at writing full software systems.  I mean it is not as if a software OS ecosystem is difficult to write and ship in quality is it? Or so, it would seem, VW thought.

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« Reply #1691 on: June 08, 2020, 08:31:32 PM »
Demand for gas-guzzling SUVs surges in China as electric car sales plummet

I was worried about this, hopefully not a replay of the 1990s big move to trucks, SUVs and minivans with the collapse in oil prices in that decade. Looks like there may still be a high elasticity for the demand for big ICE cars with respect to oil prices.

At least they are selling a lot more electric buses .....

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BYD, in a monthly sales update to the Hong Kong stock exchange on Friday, revealed sales of battery electric vehicles (Bevs) last month had almost halved on the figure reported a year earlier while the number of conventional-fuel SUVs had more than quadrupled by the same comparison.

The Chinese carmaker stated 8,278 Bevs were sold in May, compared to 15,312 in May last year. The twin impact of the Covid-19 crisis and the rise of Bevs combined to reduce the sales of plug-in-hybrid (Phev) models to an even greater extent, with the May figures falling, year-on-year, from 8,031 to just 2,323 last month.

BYD added it sold 635 electric buses last month, compared to just 196 a year earlier but total EV sales more than halved, from 119,082 units in May 2019 to just 46,512 last month.

By contrast, 20,496 of BYD’s conventional vehicles were sold last month, up from 12,021 a year earlier. The number of conventional SUVs sold in the monthly figures rose from 3,440 in May last year to 15,887 last month.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/06/08/demand-for-gas-guzzling-suvs-surges-in-china-as-electric-car-sales-plummet/

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« Reply #1692 on: June 10, 2020, 06:20:55 PM »
Electric Truck news

Pickup truck, US:
Lordstown Motors updates on Ohio factory, will reveal Endurance electric truck in June
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Lordstown last month reported that it had finalized an agreement with Slovenia’s Elaphe for in-wheel motors—likely the trucks’ most distinctive engineering feature, to be assembled alongside the trucks in Ohio.

On-site development for the assembly process is starting, and it’s working on preparing for paint and stamping, and retooling the plant for its vehicle body.

The company is “currently finalizing the prototype vehicle battery” and has chosen the integrator and started engineering the equipment line, and it aims to have, for the battery, “a semi-automated line for pre-production at the plant later this year,” Burns said. … 
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128430_lordstown-motors-updates-on-ohio-factory-will-reveal-endurance-electric-truck-june

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Leaked email from Elon he confirmed is real via Twitter:
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"It's time to go all out and bring the Tesla Semi to volume production. It's been in limited production so far, which has allowed us to improve many aspects of the design.

Production of the battery and powertrain would take place at Giga Nevada, with most of the other work probably occurring in other states.

Jerome and I are excited to work with you to bring this amazing product to market!
Elon"
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/rumor-tesla-semi-trucks-now-ready-for-volume-production

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Nikola Corporation is celebrating its recent merger with with VectoIQ Acquisition (which provided cash via investors and hedge funds buying shares of the combined company at a discounted price).
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/03/done-deal-vectoiqs-merger-with-nikola-motor-has-cl.aspx

But in the recent interview (posted above: https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2686.msg267068.html#msg267068 ) Nikola’s chief admitted his lack of knowledge (including financial aspects); the company’s dependence on outside companies for tech; seven extremely diverse products in its promised lineup; and some rather distorted perceptions of hydrogen versus batteries for storage.

Just days ago, Nikola terminated an agreement that was to see Ryder exclusively support Nikola’s hydrogen electric semi trucks.
https://www.trucknews.com/equipment/nikola-ryder-terminate-exclusive-partnership/1003141210/

Nikola claims it has “over 14,000 pre-order reservations for the trucks, representing more than $10 billion in potential sales.”
    > > But:
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ALEX  (@ajtourville) 6/2/20, 4:30 PM
I just pre-ordered me some 20 Nikola Trucks
$0 reservation, what a bargain!!
https://twitter.com/ajtourville/status/1267916606031699970
[At the link, image of Alex’s “Semi Truck Reservations” confirmation screen]
ALEX:  Takes 1 minute to create a bogus account with zero verification... you only need a functioning e-mail address and you can reserve as many trucks as you want

< [map of promised H2 stations]
ALEX:  Number of hydrogen stations: 1,200
Cost to build: $20 billion
Cost to operate: $15 billion per year
Ready to go: when pigs fly
[Text image:  “Initial build out of ~1200 station equivalents will be developed to serve this section of the market (based on 210 trucks per 8000kg station)” ]
- According to Nikola documents, these trucks won't begin manufacturing before 2023

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Ford battery F-150 pickup
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..., in a presentation to analysts this morning, Ford COO Jim Farley confirmed that the company will bring its promised battery-electric F-150 pickup to market within 24 months. An all-new F-150, to be offered in both internal-combustion and hybrid-electric versions, is expected late this year.

Farley's announcement threw a damper (or should have) on the bold statements from Nikola chairman Trevor Milton in recent days. Milton has said that Nikola will show its own electric pickup, called the Badger, at an event later this month, and that the company's goal is to outsell the F-150.

Will Nikola's Badger outsell Ford's F-150? Not anytime soon: For starters, it's just a concept right now. ...
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/10/why-nikola-stock-is-down-today.aspx
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« Reply #1693 on: June 13, 2020, 03:13:37 PM »
…   The recent shuffling of management….

Importantly, to VW watchers:
Herbert Diess is out as CEO of the VW brand, although he is still the group chief executive.  Volkswagen said that would give Diess “more leeway to run the rest of the company, which includes brands such as Audi, Bentley, Skoda, Lamborghini and Porsche.”  He will be replaced by Ralf Brandstaetter, who is “one of the company’s most experienced managers.”

Volkswagen replaces Herbert Diess as CEO of VW brand
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… Diess is trying to get the company’s powerful labor leaders, who control nine of the 19 seats on the supervisory board, to agree to painful cost cuts.
The savings are designed to help pay for a 34 billion euro ($38 billion) investment in electric and autonomous cars and 50 billion euros for EV battery procurement.
Diess also came under pressure after Volkswagen was forced to halt sales of its newest VW Golf model because of software glitches at a time when the company is preparing to mass produce VW’s ID.3 electric car.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/volkswagen-replaces-herbert-diess-as-ceo-of-vw-brand.html

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Germany's carmakers face a 'toxic mix' of challenges as they emerge from coronavirus crisis
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"We will certainly see a decline in this industry for a couple of reasons. Many car makers cannot use their full capacities because many international supply chains are headily disrupted or public health restrictions still apply to factories. Car dealers had to close for many weeks during the shutdown. And consumers fearing unemployment and income cuts delay purchases. This is a toxic mix for carmakers."

Berlin-based auto analyst Matthias Schmidt told CNBC that "the market was heading for a slow year – and (was) even on a downward cyclical trajectory before corona hit, with the German passenger car market seeing year-on-year falls in both January and February of 7.3 and 10.8 percent respectively," he said.


Nonetheless, carmakers could also take advantage of the crisis by using it to implement job cuts as the industry accelerates moves towards streamlining production and focusing on a new era of making electric vehicles.

"Manufacturers could even use this Covid climate situation to make much-required job cuts and become more efficient using the pandemic as the perfect excuse to get around powerful unions prepared to fight tooth and nail for their members," Schmidt said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/11/germanys-car-industry-faces-big-challenges-after-coronavirus.html
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« Reply #1694 on: June 14, 2020, 09:25:53 PM »
I love this article!  (A software background could be the reason. ;) )

There Will Be Blood — Peter Mertens, Former Head of Audi R&D: “We All Did Sleep”
June 13th, 2020 by Alex Voigt
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… A few hundred chips are now separately managing a complex network in your vehicle if you drive a vehicle from one of these automakers, but it’s not coordinated or centralized. Thousands of suppliers are involved, partly working together and partly independent. What all have in common is that all systems are working just in their own little box and do not communicate with a central computer….


The attempt of the Volkswagen Group to centralize 10,000 IT resources in a new organization to solve the software problems of the ID.3, which 100 — or maybe even 50 — good software engineers could solve, is a testimony to not understanding software.


Managers who in their entire life have never written one single line of code nor understand it at all decide on vehicle software that determines the largest share of their profits. In the software industry, 80-90% margin is not unusual, while the auto industry is used to just a few percent. People who do not even know the basic current software languages nor what it means for success, or what good or bad code is, are deciding the big issues. They will not even understand the problem if a software engineer tries to explain it to them. They don’t understand the challenge, and with that are far away from solving it. …
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/06/13/there-will-be-blood-peter-mertens-former-head-of-audi-rd-we-all-did-sleep/amp/
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1695 on: June 14, 2020, 10:08:29 PM »
Re discussion on fuel efficiency for transport under coal thread .
From the EPA fueleconomy web site.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml

EVs are 60% to 73% efficient, depending upon drive cycle. However, if the energy recaptured from regenerative braking is counted (i.e., recounted when it is re-used), EVs are 77% to 100% efficient.

Only about 12%–30% of the energy from the fuel you put in a conventional vehicle is used to move it down the road, depending on the drive cycle.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1696 on: June 15, 2020, 03:45:09 PM »
The discussion in the Coal thread was around by how much generation would have to increase to replace petrol and diesel in the UK.

It’s a significant issue:
Vehicles with low utilisation can act as a buffer, absorbing excess renewable generation
But if the increase required is greater than the grid capacity it will be constrained without reinforcement

Note:
In the UK most trucks (heavy goods vehicles) use diesel
We drive at higher speeds - 60mph on A roads, 70 on motorways
Electric motors have similar efficiency over a wide range of speeds, IC engines have a peak operating point
UK Gallons are 4.5 litres
British cars are equipped with steering wheels

This thread is for cars, so commenting on the TD/EV comparison above, I have to challenge the assertion “EVs are 77% to 100% efficient”
Moving through the air there will be parasitic drag losses which cannot be recovered. There is a V^2 term in the drag equation, so doubling speed increases the energy required by x4 to cover the same distance. No way you get 100%. The batteries would never need charging.

The comparison is for predominately low speed Urban stop-start driving. EVs have the advantages there – the motor stays in it’s broad efficient range and has regen
The better IC engine cars are 50-60mpg (WLTP city), say 1.2 miles per kWH
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1697 on: June 15, 2020, 05:44:37 PM »
When driving downhill including regenerative braking allows for periods of energy production rather than consumption. That is were they get up to 100%. Its a bit deceptive but more than possible.


One Electric mining truck drives up the hill empty and down the hill full. They actually have to drain the battery from time to time. Only possible when surface mining an entire mountain but I guess it beats burning diesel to do it. I don't think you can even assign a percentage to that. Infinite percent? IDK

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1698 on: June 15, 2020, 07:22:46 PM »
One way to compare the efficiency of EVs vs ICEVs is the MPG/MPGe rating by EPA. According to Wikipedia, the average MPG rating of vehicles sold in US in 2017 was 24.9. Most of the vehicles on the road today are much older and probably were less efficient when new and are even less efficient now due to wear and tear. So something closer to 20 MPG might be the average efficiency of ICEVs on the road today.

Tesla Model 3 SR+ has MPGe rating of 141. Tesla Model X LR, a large SUV with the largest battery on the market today, is rated 96 MPGe. Most other (non-Tesla) EVs are less efficient today but other manufactures have to improve their efficiency if they want to compete with Tesla. Trucks are obviously less efficient, but I would still expect the average EV efficiency to be somewhere around the 80-90 MPGe range when all US vehicles were replaced with EVs.

So EVs would be about a factor 4 more efficient than the vehicles on the road today.

What about UK (and Europe in general)? The vehicle fleet today is certainly much more efficient than in US, but EVs would be more efficient too due to the smaller vehicle size. Moreover, UK probably has proportionately more city driving and less highway driving than US, which benefits EVs. So I would not be surprised if the efficiency factor is somewhere around 4 in the UK too.

I think that matches Gero's estimates pretty well.

Finally, the transition to EVs won't happen overnight. Only about 5% of vehicles on the road are replaced each year. So I can't see EVs putting a big strain on the grid, especially when they can actually support the grid through V2G.

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #1699 on: June 16, 2020, 02:22:30 AM »
EV Milestone:
Tesla Model S now first ever electric vehicle to receive EPA range rating above 400 miles!
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1272678634952617985

Model S Long Range Plus: Building the First 400-Mile Electric Vehicle
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Starting today, all North American Model S Long Range Plus vehicles have an official EPA-rated range of 402 miles, representing a nearly 20% increase in range when compared to a 2019 Model S 100D with the same battery pack design.
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Here’s what’s new:

Significant Mass Reduction …
New “Tempest” Aero Wheels and Tires …
Increased Drive Unit Efficiency …
Maximizing Regenerative Braking …
Continued Investment in Supercharging …
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/model-s-long-range-plus-building-first-400-mile-electric-vehicle?redirect=no


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