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« Reply #400 on: March 28, 2020, 03:40:18 AM »
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Vital Vegas (@VitalVegas) 3/27/20, 2:35 PM
In brighter news, the Las Vegas Convention Center expansion has hit two new milestones, including start of a second tunnel for @elonmusk's underground transportation system.
https://twitter.com/vitalvegas/status/1243607706553860097

Las Vegas Convention Center Expansion Hits Major Milestones
https://vitalvegas.com/las-vegas-convention-center-expansion-hits-major-milestones/

The photo below was probably taken a few weeks ago.  Large bins of dirt are being brought up from that section of the dig.
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« Reply #401 on: May 14, 2020, 06:02:47 PM »
“The Loop is an ‘amenity’ for the convention center, not a public transportation option.”

Elon Musk’s Boring Company finishes digging Las Vegas tunnels
May 14, 2020
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Elon Musk’s Boring Company has completed digging a second tunnel underneath the Las Vegas Convention Center, marking the end of the first phase of the $52.5 million project to build a “people-mover” system to shuttle visitors from one side of the venue to the other. The first of the two tunnels was finished in February.

Workers will now turn their attention to completing the above-ground passenger stations on either end of the tunnels, as well as a third underground station in the middle of the system. The people-mover, which is being formally called the Convention Center Loop, is still scheduled to open to the public in January 2021 in time for the next Consumer Electronics Show — if CES happens, that is.
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Hill also said that the project has so far not been affected by the novel coronavirus pandemic. But if the 2021 Consumer Electronics show is canceled or delayed, Hill said the LVCVA and The Boring Company will wait until the next available trade show to open the Loop up to the public. (Though he says there “might be a car or two available if necessary” to move “employees of LVCVA from one end of the campus” in the meantime.) ...
https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/14/21257849/elon-musk-boring-company-las-vegas-tunnel-finished-digging
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« Reply #402 on: June 05, 2020, 05:53:21 PM »
The TBM is already there, so....

Elon Musk’s Boring Company applies to extend Las Vegas Loop to the Strip
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Last month, The Boring Company announced that it completed the excavation of both tunnels for the [LV Convention Center] project.

They are now seeking approval to move beyond the convention center and connect to a first casino: Encore At Wynn.

Clark County Commissioner Richard “Tick” L. Segerblom made the announcement and shared this image of the planned expansion: [Image below.]

Wynn’s hotel and casino is the closest hotel on the strip to the convention center.
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[The Convention Center system] is going to be owned and operated by the convention center, but Musk has always had the ambition to expand it to the Las Vegas Strip and even the airport, which would also increase the value of the convention center’s own Loop.

Musk recently said that The Boring Company would expand to the rest of Vegas, and he wasn’t kidding. ...
https://electrek.co/2020/06/05/elon-musk-boring-company-applies-to-extend-las-vegas-loop-to-strip/
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« Reply #403 on: June 05, 2020, 06:10:08 PM »
“They are the leading edge in underground technologies. They are very rapid and very inexpensive compared to other routes.”

Ontario, California.  May 28, 2020
Elon Musk’s Boring Co. proposes tunnel to Ontario airport [ONT] as alternative to light-rail
The project would use Teslas traveling underground from Rancho Cucamonga to ONT
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Elon Musk’s The Boring Co. proposes digging a 2.8-mile underground tunnel linking Rancho Cucamonga with Ontario International Airport as an alternative to extending a light-rail system from Pomona, San Bernardino County transportation officials said.

The sub-surface people-mover project would be the first of its kind in San Bernardino County and could replace stalled plans to construct an above-ground extension of the L Line (formerly Gold Line) light-rail that currently ends in Los Angeles County. Other projects on a preliminary list of alternatives to the L Line include a zero-emission train from a Metrolink Station off the San Bernardino Line or a connection from the Riverside Metrolink Line, which has a stop south of Ontario airport.

At $60 million, the proposed tunnel from Rancho to ONT would cost considerably less than the $1- to $1.5-billion light-rail extension from Pomona and could be built in three to four years rather than the 10 years it would take to bring the L Line to the airport, according to the San Bernardino County Transportation Authority.

Musk’s Hawthorne-based company sent an unsolicited proposal to the SBCTA sometime in April or early May, the agency said. In mid-May, the SBCTA Transit Committee warmly embraced the project. The committee also voted unanimously to place a $3 million study of ONT rail access alternatives on hold, so the staff could flesh out Musk’s proposal and move it forward.

The SBCTA governing board will take up the item at its regular meeting June 3, said Otis Greer, spokesman. The committee will hear more details in August or September.

“This is a really compelling idea that we need to seriously look at,” Ray Wolfe, SBCTA executive director, said at the May 14 committee meeting, the first time Musk’s ONT tunnel system was publicly discussed.
“I am very confident this is something we should do,” Wolfe told the committee, made up of local mayors.
“I absolutely support this,” said Ontario City Councilman Alan Wapner, a committee member who is president of the Ontario International Airport Authority.

The proposal for ONT, known as a transportation loop, would involve a narrow tunnel that would transport passengers from the San Bernardino Metrolink train line at a new loop station to be built at the Day Creek flood control channel to Terminal 2 at ONT and back.

Passengers would get into modified Tesla Model X electric vehicles that would drop 35 feet underground into the tunnel. Cars at first would be operated by drivers, but plans are to use autonomous vehicles that can travel at more than 100 mph.
The ride would take about two to three minutes, county officials said.

Wolfe said The Boring Co. would operate the system. Other routes could include boring tunnels under either Archibald Avenue or Haven Avenue, he said. “We are exploring other options to give us easy access to the airport property,” he said.

The capacity of a loop system is 4,000 vehicles/hour at 155 mph, according to The Boring Co. website. This is not to be confused with the Hyperloop, also proposed by Musk, that would move people 600 mph in a vacuum-sealed tube. ...
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/28/elon-musks-boring-co-proposes-tunnel-to-ontario-airport-as-alternative-to-light-rail/
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« Reply #404 on: June 05, 2020, 07:34:32 PM »
Ontario, CA airport tunnel update:  The June 3 vote was unanimous to proceed.

Elon Musk-backed tunnel to Ontario airport gets go-ahead
San Bernardino County transportation officials drop study of light-rail expansion
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By a unanimous vote, the San Bernardino County Transportation Authority’s Board of Directors supported the idea, directing staff to flesh out the proposal and postpone a $3 million study of other airport-rail connections.
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“I think it is a great way to inexpensively improve transportation corridors,” said 1st District Supervisor Robert Lovingood, an SBCTA board member, shortly after the vote. He said he’d like to consider The Boring Co. for transportation needs in the high desert.
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Originally, the proposal called for specially designed Tesla cars. But Hagman said the company is working with Tesla to develop electric vans that can seat up to 12 people and their luggage, enlarging the capacity to 1,200 people per day, or 10 million-plus per year.

Known as the Ontario Airport Loop, the project has a cost range of between $45 million and $60 million, said Carrie Schindler, SBCTA director of transit and rail. That could jump to $75 million when adding an operations center, management services and paying operators prevailing wages, Schindler said.

At $60 million, the Loop would cost considerably less than the $1- to $1.5-billion light-rail extension from Pomona and could be built in three to four years rather than the 10 years it would take to extend the light-rail, according to the SBCTA.

“It is much more cost-effective,” Schindler said. “I do anticipate the need for outside funding but at a reduced level” as compared to building surface projects.

Hagman said the agency could use the $40 million or so set aside for the Gold Line extension to build the  Loop, with grant monies from state, federal or the South Coast Air Quality Management District making up the difference. ...
https://www.dailynews.com/2020/06/03/elon-musk-backed-tunnel-to-ontario-airport-gets-go-ahead/
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« Reply #405 on: June 05, 2020, 07:40:11 PM »
Assuming one tunnel in each direction, 4000 vehicles per hour is more than one every second. And at a crazy speed to boot. How are they loaded? How is their multiplexing into the stream working? Synchronized braking? Offloading? Color me very skeptical about the feasibility of it all.
Or maybe it's 4000 persons per hour??
I hope the SBCTA makes its decisions based on real world throughput rather than pie in the sky. Certainly $60M is way cheaper than $1B and needs to be looked at seriously, but the comparison should include how many real people can travel the loop, and at what ticket price.

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« Reply #406 on: June 05, 2020, 07:43:10 PM »
Having read the update, suddenly things are much different.

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enlarging the capacity to 1,200 people per day, or 10 million-plus per year.
Something in the math here is seriously wrong. But 1200 people per day is not a replacement for light rail.

Could they have meant 1200 per hour?

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« Reply #407 on: June 05, 2020, 07:48:29 PM »
Having read the update, suddenly things are much different.

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enlarging the capacity to 1,200 people per day, or 10 million-plus per year.
Something in the math here is seriously wrong. But 1200 people per day is not a replacement for light rail.

Could they have meant 1200 per hour?

Yes, 1,200 people per day seems wrong.  1,200 people per hour (100 vehicles per hour) seems like a viable capacity.
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« Reply #408 on: June 05, 2020, 07:57:33 PM »
TBC’s FAQ says:
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What is the ridership capacity of Loop?
Loop is targeting 4,000 vehicles/hour at 155mph (250km/h) for each Main Artery Tunnel.
https://www.boringcompany.com/faq

So this would seem to mean multiple stations (or multiple lines from a BIG station) feeding one tunnel.
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« Reply #409 on: June 05, 2020, 08:41:55 PM »
So these vehicles merge at sub-second intervals from multiple feeders into the main artery, and then travel at 250 km/h with a 60m distance between each other. Whatever could go wrong? I shudder at the thought.
Meanwhile, real life dictates much lower rates. Hopefully it's really 1200 per hour and not per day, or the project is a total waste of time.

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« Reply #410 on: June 05, 2020, 09:43:16 PM »
So these vehicles merge at sub-second intervals from multiple feeders into the main artery, and then travel at 250 km/h with a 60m distance between each other. Whatever could go wrong? I shudder at the thought.
Meanwhile, real life dictates much lower rates. Hopefully it's really 1200 per hour and not per day, or the project is a total waste of time.

We’ll see autonomous truck caravans on highways, first, at slower speeds (and higher weights), contending with mistake-prone human drivers and poor-maintenanced vehicles in their surroundings.

A one-lane tunnel is easy in comparison:  all the vehicles would have sensors, and be communicating to each other and to the mothership.  With drivers, at first.  These short tunnels will never see that top speed.

Spacecraft have maneuvered to dock with the International Space Station for 20 years, while both are traveling at 17,500 mph.  No major mishaps yet.


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P.S.:  Difficult to believe the county commissioners would vote unanimously to drop all other projects (and spend the $40 million they set aside for rail) for a system that would only move 1,200 people per day.  Easy to believe that’s just a typo.
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« Reply #411 on: June 13, 2020, 02:07:32 AM »
Las Vegas tunnel extensions are in the works.  The LVCC project is “85% finished.”

“This is a great step to take this from the Convention Center campus out into the community. We’re talking to resorts throughout the community. It’s more than two that want to do this. These are the first two that make sense.”

Elon Musk has two Las Vegas casinos asking for Boring Company tunnels
Jun 12, 2020
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Wynn Las Vegas and the under-construction Resorts World Las Vegas announced today they are seeking Clark County approval for projects linking to the Convention Center transit system, which is expected to be finished early next year.
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Earlier this month, Wynn and Elon Musk’s Boring Company submitted a land-use application to the county for the project’s design, officials said.


The $52.5 million Convention Center tunneling project, part of a $980 million campus expansion, is expected to be complete by January. As of June 1, the total project was 85% finished, LVCVA officials said.


Pending approval from the county, construction on the tunnel extension to Resorts World could begin sometime later this year, officials said. Resorts World is scheduled to open next summer.

Hill said the greater vision for the underground transportation system is to eventually have stops at McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium and downtown Las Vegas.


Hill said LVCVA officials have been in contact in recent days with downtown Las Vegas casino operators about possibly expanding the underground system there.

One obstacle for a tunnel system that would take riders to additional stops along the Strip is a noncompete clause with the Las Vegas Monorail for the area in operates within the resort corridor.

An exception to the agreement is transportation systems that carry passengers from point to point without a stop, Hill said.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/12/21285741/elon-musk-boring-company-las-vegas-wynn-encore-resorts-world-casinos


Wynn, Resorts World plan tunnels to link to Las Vegas Convention Center
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The projects differ from the Convention Center Loop in that those rides won’t be free. Steve Hill, the president and CEO of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority, told CNN that each trip would cost between $3 and $5. That’s either at or slightly cheaper than the cost of a ticket for the Las Vegas Monorail — which connects the LVCC to a number of hotels and casinos that line the Las Vegas Strip but doesn’t reach the Wynn, the Encore, or Resorts World.

The new tunnels would also have to be financed by the companies, as opposed to the $52.5 million Convention Center Loop, which was paid for by the Convention and Visitors Authority. Both Wynn Resorts and Resorts World say that they’re still negotiating the terms of their agreements with The Boring Company, according to the proposals filed with Clark County. …
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jun/09/wynn-resorts-world-plan-tunnels-to-link-to-las-veg/
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« Reply #412 on: June 16, 2020, 02:41:17 AM »
Las Vegas airport to downtown would be huge.
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Vital Vegas (@VitalVegas) 6/15/20, 6:35 PM
Per well-placed sources, @elonmusk's Boring Company is confident it will expand underground transportation system to include tunnels between airport and downtown Las Vegas, in addition to proposed stops at Wynn and Resorts World.
https://twitter.com/vitalvegas/status/1272659094290104320

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 6/15/20, 7:30 PM

Looking likely

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1272672762046197760
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« Reply #413 on: June 23, 2020, 08:31:00 PM »
Las Vegas airport to downtown would be huge.

Actually the tunnels are smaller! It is very innovative.
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« Reply #414 on: June 26, 2020, 07:12:26 PM »
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« Reply #415 on: July 07, 2020, 10:25:14 PM »
Gigafactory?  So boring.  TBC is considering a “Dig-A-Factory” competition.

Not-a-Boring Competition — The Boring Company
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The Boring Company’s goal is to build the tunnel infrastructure necessary to enable fast, safe, and comfortable transportation, including Loop and Hyperloop. To feasibly build a large network of tunnels, one must first rapidly innovate to increase tunneling speed and reduce tunneling costs.

This competition challenges teams to come up with tunneling solutions and answer the question, “Can you beat the snail?”. The Boring Company is gauging interest from everyone (students, companies, hobbyists, etc.) from around the world to design, build, and race their own tunneling solution at The Boring Company’s Dig-a-Factory in the first Not-a-Boring Competition in Spring 2021.

Teams will compete to bore a 30-meter tunnel with a cross-sectional area of 0.2 square meters (equivalent to a circle with a 0.5-meter diameter).  Winning categories will include:
   ◦   Fastest to complete tunnel
   ◦   Fastest to complete tunnel and a driving surface (we will drive a Tesla remote controlled car through the tunnel)
   ◦   Most accurate guidance system – how far away is the tunnel from its target?

I’m Interested!
We are currently gauging interest for the Not-a-Boring Competition. If you are interested in participating in the Competition, please complete the form below. ...
https://www.boringcompany.com/competition
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« Reply #416 on: July 07, 2020, 11:56:33 PM »
fake company. 10x faker than the next fakest competition
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« Reply #417 on: July 08, 2020, 12:37:43 PM »
So these vehicles merge at sub-second intervals from multiple feeders into the main artery, and then travel at 250 km/h with a 60m distance between each other. Whatever could go wrong? I shudder at the thought.
Meanwhile, real life dictates much lower rates. Hopefully it's really 1200 per hour and not per day, or the project is a total waste of time.
Let's assume 4000 vehicles/hour is the whole system, meaning 2000/h per direction. This is 1.8 seconds between vehicles moving at 250 km/h or 70 m/s. 126 meters between vehicles moving 70 m/s does not give much room for error.

This may be doable in theory but is the system really able to handle sustained volumes in such speed and interval? How to efficiently on and offload so many cars? Just like a rifle can shoot 700 shots / minute but there is only 30 rounds in the magazine.

How much is 4000 vehicles/h? With full 5 persons per vehicle the theoretical max capacity is 20000 people/h or 10000 one way. This is a bit more than light rail, and appr. 10% of an efficient metro line.

On the plus side TBC doesn't really need stations which are the most expensive part of an underground rail line. It's also flexible for the passengers if they can continue to their final destinations.

The downside is extremely expensive rolling stock. And then there is the underlying physical fact that it is just awfully expensive, energy- space- and moneywise, to move a handful of people in a 1 ton metal shell.

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« Reply #418 on: July 08, 2020, 09:30:33 PM »
Let's assume 4000 vehicles/hour is the whole system, meaning 2000/h per direction. This is 1.8 seconds between vehicles moving at 250 km/h or 70 m/s. 126 meters between vehicles moving 70 m/s does not give much room for error.

This may be doable in theory but is the system really able to handle sustained volumes in such speed and interval? How to efficiently on and offload so many cars? Just like a rifle can shoot 700 shots / minute but there is only 30 rounds in the magazine.

No need to assume.
From the TBC FAQ:
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Loop is targeting 4,000 vehicles/hour at 155mph (250km/h) for each Main Artery Tunnel.  If a second tunnel is added below the first, this value doubles. 

(Emphasis mine.)  A “practically unlimited” number of branch tunnels, entrances, exits and stations will feed the main tunnel:
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Unlike a subway, there is no practical upper limit to the number of stations that can be built along the tunnel route, as stations can be as small as two parking spaces.

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The electric vehicles descend into a "spur" or side tunnel before quickly merging into a Main Artery Tunnel. Since stations require such a small footprint, they can be easily integrated in busy city-centers, parking garages, and residential communities. The high density of stations will help reduce congestion by distributing traffic across many access points and by providing more convenient entry and exit locations. At the same time, larger stations can be built to increase ridership capacity to a specific central location.

There is also no practical upper limit on the number of layers of tunnels, allowing the Loop system itself to always have capacity available to service each station.


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How much is 4000 vehicles/h? With full 5 persons per vehicle the theoretical max capacity is 20000 people/h or 10000 one way. This is a bit more than light rail, and appr. 10% of an efficient metro line.

On the plus side TBC doesn't really need stations which are the most expensive part of an underground rail line. It's also flexible for the passengers if they can continue to their final destinations.

More from the FAQ:
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How is Loop different from a subway?

Loop is an “express” public transportation system and more resembles an underground highway than a subway system.  Through the use of a Main Artery Tunnel with side tunnels for entry/exit, passengers travel directly to their final destination without stopping.

As an example, if a train-line had 100 stops, the train would typically stop at each one, so the trip from Stop 1 to Stop 100 would be long.  For Loop, passengers would travel directly from Stop 1 to Stop 100 without stopping at the intermediate stations. 

Equivalently, a Loop vehicle’s average speed is close to its maximum speed, while a train’s average speed is much less than its maximum speed.  A subway car might be capable of traveling 65 mph, but its average speed might be 20 mph, decreasing further as more intermediate stations are added.

Additionally, autonomous electric vehicles are generally faster than conventional subway cars (150 mph vs. 65 mph), and, because of Loop’s architecture of high-quantity, small-footprint stations, Loop can get passengers physically closer to their final desired destination.
https://www.boringcompany.com/faq

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The downside is extremely expensive rolling stock. And then there is the underlying physical fact that it is just awfully expensive, energy- space- and moneywise, to move a handful of people in a 1 ton metal shell.

Compare the efficiency of a big heavy rail car when it carries only a handful of passengers, or is even empty, but must maintain its schedule.  Needing to waste energy coming to a full stop at each passenger’s station, then start up again.  More noise pollution, as well as oil and grease deposits from the equipment.

In the age of COVID, consider the benefits of traveling in smaller groups, being enclosed for a shorter time, plus the ability to disinfect each car quickly and automatically between rides, on a side track.  The Loop’s flexible scheduling and smaller stations means fewer people crowded together waiting to board a train at one specified time.  Fewer passengers exiting and entering through the same limited door-space.

“Passenger throughput” is but one measurement of many needed to judge a Loop’s worth.

Edit: 
Forgot to mention that weather like snow, freezing rain, flooding, or heat high enough to warp metal rails will not stop a Loop, while it can bring trains to a standstill.
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« Reply #419 on: July 09, 2020, 06:20:27 AM »
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Unlike a subway, there is no practical upper limit to the number of stations that can be built along the tunnel route, as stations can be as small as two parking spaces.

I believe this refers to the station's footprint above ground, not to the actual station itself.

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The electric vehicles descend into a "spur" or side tunnel before quickly merging into a Main Artery Tunnel. Since stations require such a small footprint, they can be easily integrated in busy city-centers, parking garages, and residential communities.

I do wonder how the vehicles merge from these stations into the 250 km/h main artery, and what is the length and angle of "spur" tunnel required. I hope passengers won't need a g-suit.
Assuming 10 seconds to reach 250 km/h at constant acceleration, the track length is ~350m.

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« Reply #420 on: July 09, 2020, 12:09:46 PM »
Entry points for the vehicles could be two vehicles wide but exit points will need stacking capability to handle ground side congestion.

This will need something, the most obvious is space but I could envision something like a paternoster lift,  two, side by side, could possibly provide the required buffer.

Otherwise you could find yourself going many stops past your desired stop without an available exit.

The deeper it is, the faster you can join as accelerating whilst falling is optimal although pulling out would have to be longer.

There are benefits and drawbacks on the energy use for personal vehicles. For instance it removes a whole raft of ground side infrastructure which spends most of its time virtually empty. As in everything, there needs to be a balance and neither solution is 100% viable.
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« Reply #421 on: July 09, 2020, 04:01:15 PM »
Entry points for the vehicles could be two vehicles wide but exit points will need stacking capability to handle ground side congestion.
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Remember, the central computer knows where every car is going.  A group of cars can be slowed as needed, and the moment of entry onto the main tunnel can be calculated and timed so it gets the car to its destination with minimal congestion or delay.

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I do wonder how the vehicles merge from these stations into the 250 km/h main artery, and what is the length and angle of "spur" tunnel required. I hope passengers won't need a g-suit.
Assuming 10 seconds to reach 250 km/h at constant acceleration, the track length is ~350m.
Simple: create the required buffer zone by slowing, or speeding up, the approaching cars slightly, or delaying nearby traffic’s entry into the tunnel for a few seconds to facilitate a merge into the flow.

Besides, “Tesla does not make slow cars.” ;) Although we don’t want to see passengers pasted against the rear window, fitting into traffic should not be a problem.  Side tunnels and branches serving many “stations” at lower speed will feed into the main tunnel.
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« Reply #422 on: August 06, 2020, 02:59:46 PM »
Las Vegas tunnel project clears last major hurdle for expansion
Aug 5 2020
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On Wednesday, county officials unanimously approved designs for two additional tunnels connecting hotels with the Las Vegas Convention Center, clearing the way for Musk’s Boring Co. to expand its first commercial underground transportation system.

Approval form the Clark County commission is one of the last hurdles to a proposed expansion of a Boring Co. project burrowing underneath the convention center, which was largely finished in May but has yet to open for rides. One of the hotels connecting to the Loop, Resorts World, said it expects construction on the expansion to begin by the end of this year, Scott Sibella, president of Resorts World Las Vegas, said in an emailed statement.

In May, Musk tweeted that Boring Co. would “also connect Vegas hotels & airport.” Airport officials have held introductory conversations with the Boring Co. in recent weeks, according to Chris Jones, a spokesman for McCarran International Airport.

With the coronavirus pandemic curbing travel, including to Las Vegas, Boring Co. and its hotel partners may benefit from some extra time to get their projects ready. Boring Co. has said it’s on track to finish the Vegas convention center Loop by January, in time for the massive Consumer Electronics Show, though conference organizers said last week that the event will be held exclusively online. A Boring Co. Loop to Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles is still mired in the city’s environmental review process and missed a deadline for opening this year that had been set by the baseball team’s financial chief. ...
https://fortune.com/2020/08/05/elon-musk-las-vegas-tunnel-project-expansion/
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Re: The Boring Company
« Reply #423 on: August 09, 2020, 03:56:54 AM »
Elon Musk has a secret Boring Company station between LA to Vegas in the works
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Elon Musk’s Boring Company appears to have something brewing in between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, and it could have to deal with the company’s plans to link the two cities with a tunnel.

Photos showed a Boring Company machine, along with large tents set up in the middle of the desert in Adelanto, California. The presence of machinery and storage tents hints toward the possibility that the Boring Company could be gearing up for the prospective link between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/boring-company-station-adelanto-lv-la-connection/
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Re: The Boring Company
« Reply #424 on: August 19, 2020, 11:23:51 PM »
A long Twitter thread by Nafnlaus on The Boring Company as a public transportation company:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1295317060877266945.html

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1/Recently, there's been another surge of "Elon Musk is Trying to Kill Public Transit" on Twitter (thanks, @doctorow!). Pointing out that Musk *literally runs a public transit company* (@boringcompany) just brings us to the "volumes are too low, so it can't work" line.

[...]

Getting the picture? Public is not about "how many people you can fit onto a train at once"; it's about how much money you have to spend...
... per unit passenger capacity (we'll set aside all issues of comfort and convenience for now). Which means that *you cannot eliminate departure rates, how direct routes are, and construction costs from the picture*; they're an integral part.

So how what about Boring Company?
First off, Boring Company is Personal Rapid Transit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_rapid_transit

While this is normally focused on for comfort and convenience, it's also about capacity: everyone goes directly to their destination; nobody heads in the wrong direction.

Secondly, it's focused on *radical* cost reductions for tunneling, particular to its design elements.

[...]

Is TBC "there" already? Of course not; it takes years to decades to radically transform any given type of...
... technology.