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« Reply #200 on: September 15, 2019, 06:29:30 PM »
Anecdote:  a friend of mine and her husband drive down to Florida to visit her mother once or twice a year, a trip she describes as just at the limit of what they can comfortably do in one day.  “If it took any longer, we’d fly.”


If the purpose of a lower highway speed limit is to save energy, my first thought of course is that driving an EV would save much more energy, at any speed, compared to the energy wasted in heat and friction between all the parts of an ICE vehicle.

But even in ICE transportation, much energy would be saved by using Driver Assistance technology — active cruise control, for instance, which maintains a chosen following distance — rather than inconstant, impatient human control.  A benefit most often cited by users of Tesla Autopilot is how much less stress they feel during a trip (even when they didn’t think driving was very stressful before), and how much more rested they are afterward, by letting the car do the driving.  Lanes restricted to emergency vehicles would not be used enough, and would just make other lanes more crowded.  But a lane with mandated ADAS, which only could go as fast as traffic allowed, might make sense.  Like with what happened with HOV lanes, drivers could select cars allowing them to use this potentially faster, less congested, and no doubt more polite option. Even if they don’t care about saving energy. 8)

And yes, this would be a step toward the days of full self driving.
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« Reply #201 on: September 15, 2019, 06:43:12 PM »
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Why not take a bus?
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« Reply #202 on: September 15, 2019, 07:05:11 PM »
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Why not take a bus?
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Because there’s none where I live, and buses don’t go to all destinations.

Edit:  Well, there are school buses, but stealing one of those for a personal cross-country trip would be frowned upon. ;)
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« Reply #203 on: September 15, 2019, 07:48:59 PM »
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Why not take a bus?
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Because there’s none where I live, and buses don’t go to all destinations.
That sounds like something that a few dollars could change.
When Trailways was a thing they had express service between major destinations that included a card table, sandwiches and drinks, pillows, a blanket and a stewardess - all at the same price as a Greyhound.
Imagine what could be done if the government tossed in a few bucks!


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« Reply #204 on: September 15, 2019, 08:01:22 PM »
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Speed limits set only five miles per hour below engineering recommendations produce a statistically significant decrease in total, fatal and injury crashes, and property-damage-only crashes, according to a group of Penn State researchers.

"If (however) you lower the speed limit by 10, 15, 25 miles per hour, or more, drivers stop paying attention," said Vikash Gayah, assistant professor of civil engineering. "We found there was an increase in fatal and injury crashes at locations with posted speed limits set 10 miles per hour or more below engineering recommendations."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181212135021.htm

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« Reply #205 on: September 15, 2019, 09:54:32 PM »
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Why not take a bus?
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Because there’s none where I live, and buses don’t go to all destinations.
That sounds like something that a few dollars could change.
When Trailways was a thing they had express service between major destinations that included a card table, sandwiches and drinks, pillows, a blanket and a stewardess - all at the same price as a Greyhound.
Imagine what could be done if the government tossed in a few bucks!

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This is a very poor, rural area.  Much of the population lacks the money for adequate food or clothing, let alone bus tickets.  The county struggles to simply keep emergency services funded.  Even if buses were available, there would be next to no demand, and no money to support them.  Makes no sense.
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« Reply #206 on: September 16, 2019, 05:18:23 AM »
GM strike: 50K employees off the job at midnite

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/09/14/auto-s15.html

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« Reply #207 on: September 18, 2019, 11:26:15 AM »
  Air pollution particles found on foetal side of placentas – study

Research finds black carbon breathed by mothers can cross into unborn children

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/17/air-pollution-particles-found-on-foetal-side-of-placentas-study
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Air pollution particles have been found on the foetal side of placentas, indicating that unborn babies are directly exposed to the black carbon produced by motor traffic and fuel burning.

The research is the first study to show the placental barrier can be penetrated by particles breathed in by the mother. It found thousands of the tiny particles per cubic millimetre of tissue in every placenta analysed.

Damage to foetuses has lifelong consequences and Prof Tim Nawrot at Hasselt University in Belgium, who led the study, said: “This is the most vulnerable period of life. All the organ systems are in development.

A comprehensive global review concluded that air pollution may be damaging every organ and virtually every cell in the human body. Nanoparticles have also been found to cross the blood-brain barrier and billions have been found in the hearts of young city dwellers.

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While the advise in the article is to avoid busy roads etc...
The best advise should be to take away the cause and not fight the effect: In other words: Don't use personal cars.

While ICE's have the toxic exhaust fumes, both the ICE and EV shed nano-particles, microplastics from tyre wear. Remember this next time you drive past a pregnant woman, past children or a school.
Please, it is an emergency!

edit: Leave your car home for a day or more and use public transport, if available (maybe you need to walk or cycle a bit to the stop).
It's a start. In rural parts you might have interesting conversations :) . Shared transport yeah
« Last Edit: September 18, 2019, 04:34:41 PM by nanning »
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« Reply #208 on: September 18, 2019, 04:45:39 PM »
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While ICE's have the toxic exhaust fumes, both the ICE and EV shed nano-particles, microplastics from tyre wear. Remember this next time you drive past a pregnant woman, past children or a school.
Please, it is an emergency!

edit: Leave your car home for a day or more and use public transport, if available (maybe you need to walk or cycle a bit to the stop).

So, spend more time traveling, on the side of the road, breathing in even more gas and tyre particles, even deeper than usual because of your increased heart and respiratory rate, without the benefit of a vehicle’s air filtration system?

Or does everyone walking and cycling wear gas masks?

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Edit:  the Tesla HEPA filter system “Bioweapon Defense Mode” cleans pollutants from the surrounding  outside air, as well as providing clean-room quality air inside the vehicle.
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The plot below shows the subsequent evolution in pollution levels inside the vehicle and inside the bubble. In less than two minutes, the HEPA filtration system had scrubbed the air in Model X, bringing pollution levels from an extremely dangerous 1,000 µg/m3 to levels so low as to be undetectable (below the noise floor) by our instruments, allowing us to remove our gas masks and breathe fresh air while sitting inside a bubble of pollution.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/putting-tesla-hepa-filter-and-bioweapon-defense-mode-to-the-test
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Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« Reply #209 on: September 18, 2019, 05:53:29 PM »
We need to REMOVE THE CAUSE. Not treat the effect as something natural.
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« Reply #210 on: September 18, 2019, 06:14:30 PM »
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If the HEPA filter does all that's claimed, why are so many complaining of the terrible odors from Tesla ACs? Shouldn't any decent air filter be capable of removing odors?
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« Reply #211 on: September 18, 2019, 06:50:41 PM »
Gnihihihi, anyone else thinking of Seinfeld now?
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« Reply #212 on: September 18, 2019, 08:45:46 PM »
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If the HEPA filter does all that's claimed, why are so many complaining of the terrible odors from Tesla ACs? Shouldn't any decent air filter be capable of removing odors?
Terry

Owners report solving this problem the same way that works for all other “decent” cars:  parking the car and setting the heat on full for an hour or two to eliminate mold and bacteria that accumulates in any humid system (not necessarily in the filter).
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« Reply #213 on: September 18, 2019, 08:55:17 PM »
We need to REMOVE THE CAUSE. Not treat the effect as something natural.

Because I drive fewer miles than average, I only need to replace my car tires every 5 years so.  How often do you replace your bike tires?  I need to buy new walking shoes every year or two because the soles wear out.  Let’s count those causes, too!

The Tesla HEPA system might just be removing more pollutants from the environment than the car emits.  We can’t afford the time for “natural” solutions to fix the situation we’ve gotten ourselves into — if they even can.
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« Reply #214 on: September 18, 2019, 10:58:14 PM »
Sig
If the HEPA filter does all that's claimed, why are so many complaining of the terrible odors from Tesla ACs? Shouldn't any decent air filter be capable of removing odors?
Terry

Owners report solving this problem the same way that works for all other “decent” cars:  parking the car and setting the heat on full for an hour or two to eliminate mold and bacteria that accumulates in any humid system (not necessarily in the filter).


How strange. I do did drive an excessive number of miles, some I'm sure in "decent"? cars, and I never encountered a similar problem. You don't suppose the engineers could have missed something as rudimentary as providing adequate drainage for the condensate that builds on all AC evaporators do you?


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« Reply #215 on: September 18, 2019, 11:00:14 PM »
The tire/asphalt dust issue is an externality, just like CO2 from the exhaust.  Typically externalities are addressed by penalties and taxation. Unfortunately, the car lobbies have captured the regulators.

So as usual, the rich will fix the problem for themselves, will breathe clean and filtered air, the poor will suffer and die.

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« Reply #216 on: September 18, 2019, 11:46:52 PM »
^^
Pass the Oxygen Jeeves. Yes, the one in the silver chalice. Then scuttle back to your hovel, and make sure you seal the airlock behind you.
Damn servant class these days - they act as if it was their air!
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« Reply #217 on: September 19, 2019, 09:28:12 AM »
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« Reply #218 on: October 01, 2019, 07:12:16 PM »
UPS Gets FAA Nod for Widespread Drone Deliveries
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ups-gets-faa-nod-for-widespread-drone-deliveries-11569939601
http://www.uasmagazine.com/articles/2072/ups-flight-forward-gains-faa-approval-to-launch-drone-airline
https://techxplore.com/news/2019-10-ups-drone-airline.html

UPS subsidiary UPS Flight Forward Inc. today announced it has received the U.S. government’s first full Part 135 Standard certification to operate a drone airline. United Parcel Service Inc. said it received the first-of-its-kind federal approval to start setting up a fleet of unmanned aircraft to deliver health supplies and eventually consumer packages potentially throughout the U.S.

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) awarded UPS Flight Forward a Part 135 Standard certification on Friday. The UPS subsidiary immediately launched the first drone delivery flight by any company under Part 135 Standard at WakeMed’s hospital campus in Raleigh, N.C. That flight, using a Matternet M2 quadcopter, was flown under a government exemption allowing for a beyond visual line of sight (BVLOS) operation, also a first in the U.S. for a regular revenue-generating delivery.

The FAA’s Part 135 Standard certification has no limits on the size or scope of operations. It is the highest level of certification, one that no other company has attained. UPS Flight Forward’s certificate permits the company to fly an unlimited number of drones with an unlimited number of remote operators in command. This enables UPS to scale its operations to meet customer demand. Part 135 Standard also permits the drone and cargo to exceed 55 pounds and fly at night, previous restrictions governing earlier UPS flights.

Even before getting the airline designation, UPS Flight Forward, as the subsidiary is called, has operated more than 1,000 flights at Wake Forest University's medical center in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Going forward, UPS Flight Forward says it has a long-term plan with several milestones:

- Expansion of the UPS Flight Forward delivery service to new hospitals and medical campuses around the country;
- Rapid build-out of ground-based, detect-and-avoid technologies to verify drone safety while enabling future service expansion;
- Construction of a centralized operations control center;
- Regular and frequent BVLOS drone flights;
- Partnerships with additional drone manufacturers to build new drones with varying cargo capacities; and
- Adding new services outside of the healthcare industry, including the transport of special commodities and other regulated goods.

UPS believes the earliest commercially viable uses of drones will be for same-day deliveries, for augmenting truck-borne deliveries in rural areas, and for larger drones that could carry cargo of up to a ton from one rural area to another. Price said the latter idea is still years away.


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« Reply #219 on: October 11, 2019, 09:06:09 PM »
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Spectrum News NY1 (@NY1) 10/10/19, 6:30 AM
A traffic warning sign on Vanderbilt Ave. in #Brooklyn has been flashing anti-car messages over the past month. A company contracted by @MTA who operates it says the lock is changed and the sign is reprogrammed every day but it keeps getting hacked. 
https://twitter.com/ny1/status/1182241941385334784
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« Reply #220 on: November 16, 2019, 12:57:37 PM »
^^
In your face! Thanks Sig, I love it :)
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« Reply #221 on: November 17, 2019, 04:27:37 AM »
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SimCity is often deployed in an educational context, integrated in some higher-ed and K-12 curricula. And it’s by far the most visible “face” of urban planning. Copies of SimCity were preloaded on computers bound for India during the One Laptop Per Child program, a techno-optimistic initiative to solve rural education deficits by giving every child a computer. An educational version of SimCity called SimCityEDU leads children through a series of challenges like planning school bus routes, “increasing jobs,” or reducing air pollution. 

But only certain kinds of cities are possible in SimCity and its successors. The city of your dreams must be car-centric, modernist, and usually grid-based. Vehicles in SimCity conveniently don’t emit pollution, or even need parking: When cars reach their destinations they simply disappear.

The disappearing cars of the simulated city are a way to make the game more accessible by preventing eternal gridlock. But they also elide many of the most heated debates in real-life urban planning. Parking spaces are battlegrounds, and drivers fight for them against more bike or pedestrian-friendly infrastructure. Students playing the base game or the educational version of SimCity are presented with an environment where cars are neutral, unproblematic, and essential, rather than a deliberate policy choice.

Other elements of SimCity are more troubling. Worker sims have no permanent homes. They cycle endlessly between whatever businesses or dwellings have available slots. Homeless sims are created when a house becomes “abandoned” due to falling property values. These sims lose their identity, gender, and “citizenship” within the game. They wander aimlessly between public spaces and abandoned buildings, eating garbage on their way. They cannot be helped, only removed through stringent trash collection and bus depots out of town. Race, social mobility, real estate speculation, and community aren’t simulated at all. Omissions like this aren’t just matters of design. Their absence from the game is a statement of its own.
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« Reply #222 on: November 23, 2019, 05:54:40 PM »
Here’s an important issue that isn’t talked about all that much: How first responders should interact with self-driving cars.



“To put the car in manual mode, you must call Waymo.”???
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« Reply #223 on: November 23, 2019, 08:06:12 PM »
Here’s an important issue that isn’t talked about all that much: How first responders should interact with self-driving cars.

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“To put the car in manual mode, you must call Waymo.”???

I’ve seen an ad for a car (can’t remember which one) where the car was deactivated remotely after a request by law enforcement, in a case of theft and a high-speed chase.  This should certainly be a required feature to protect against rogue or damaged self-driving cars, as well.  Although you may be out of luck if the car is in a tunnel or otherwise out of radio contact.
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« Reply #225 on: November 24, 2019, 11:29:51 AM »
How long before your car locks it's doors & transports its passengers to the nearest (privatized) jail? Will we be informed when this "feature" is activated - probably by an over the air software "upgrade".
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« Reply #226 on: November 24, 2019, 04:14:02 PM »
Good thinking there Terry :)
Self driving cars are robots without Asimov's laws.
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How long before your car locks it's doors & transports its passengers to the nearest (privatized) jail? Will we be informed when this "feature" is activated - probably by an over the air software "upgrade". 

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« Reply #228 on: November 25, 2019, 12:29:40 AM »

Thanks nanning.

Having cars that may be compelled to imprison they're occupants, and deliver them to an alternative location may bring up a Law that AFAIK Asimov never addressed.


Law (n) - A Robot must always obey its operator except when it's controlled by X.


Who, or what is the mysterious 'X'


Is 'X' the head of the UN?


Is 'X' the head of the national government that 'O' the Operator resides in, is a citizen of, that the AI vehicle is operating in, that the vehicle was manufactured in, that the vehicle was originally sold in. that the vehicle was most recently sold in, that the manufacturer incorporated in;
that the lessor is (one of the above with), that the lessee is (one of the above with), that the cab company (when applicable - is one of the above), that the loan holder (when applicable - is one of the above)?


Is 'X' the head of the local, regional, state, or federal security force?


Is 'X' a General in times of declared or undeclared war?


Is 'X' a coalition of friends and relatives acting on behalf of the operator?


Is 'X' a parent or responsible adult acting on behalf of an under-age operator or passenger?


Is 'X' a truant officer concerned about the education of an operator or passenger?


Is 'X' a fire compliance officer concerned with the safety of the community?


Could some of 'X's prerogatives be purchased by retailers, restaurants or innkeepers?


Would an 'X' be required to leave evidence of his interference?


How would multiple micro managing "Xs" resolve their conflicting mandates in a timely manner?


Who is financially or criminally responsible for mini 'X's decisions?


Must every owner, operator, passenger be informed of 'X's actions before, during, or after the intervention.


I think I could ask these questions until Musk's Flying RoasterRoadster becomes a commodity, and still not scratch the surface of the questions that need be addressed before an autonomous, but connected, vehicle is allowed to wander about in the wild, where it might interact with civilians who have never even been asked if they consent to AIs in their midst.


Musk's OTA alteration of charging protocol during hurricanes and fires demonstrate that 'X' is presently in his hands for the majority of the semi-autonomous fleet. The braking systems were also altered OTA. These are hands legally required to have twitter messages vetted by a member of the bar, but his ability to interact with vehicles as they are being driven is unchecked.


Uber, Waymo and every other purveyor of even semi-autonomous vehicles has retained at the very least a portion of 'X's powers. Again let me emphasize that this is with no oversight from representative government officials, little understanding or consent from the owner/operators, and absolutely no consent by or even a conversation with the public.


Two Democratic Senators demanded last week that Tesla end it's assisted driving program until such time as their questions had been addressed. After the next election the Democrats are expected to at the least gain some Federal power. Possibly with Democrats in charge this laissez-faire period will be brought to an end, some of the Senators questions will be answered, and possibly even some of my questions will be considered.


It's not acceptable to have a unelected, unappointed, unvetted persons having the master control over vehicles that I, and mine are forced to interact with.


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« Reply #229 on: November 25, 2019, 09:53:39 AM »
Who should decide who and when autonomous vehicles kill?


Should a car always protect its occupants, or might the lives of children in a crosswalk take precedence?
Should killing the fewest take president over saving the operators family?
Will a prospective purchaser buy a vehicle that will commit Hari Kari with him inside, rather than killing a deer, a cow, a child, or a cop.
Should an owner be allowed to alter these settings? Without AI he'd be making these decisions.


Can an autonomous vehicle speed if the operator is in a hurry - even if others lives will be put at risk?
Will people buy vehicles that won't allow them to violate speeding laws?
In the interest of the greater good should a vehicle report it's driver for violations?
Are there certain crimes that an AI vehicle must report, other times when it must participate in directed criminal behavior?


If fully autonomous vehicles were ready for us today, how many decades will it be before we are ready for them?
We've yet to have a discussion about how AIs can be integrated into our societys.
Will rules that work in Europe be forced onto AIs in India? In Qatar?
Will each vehicle moving between jurisdictions require software compatibility for each region? Hardware and sensor compatibility too?
Should manufacturers be making these decisions? Owners, Cab Companies,or Passengers. What rights do others using the road have, who will be their advocate? Can one city ban autonomous vehicles, even as another bans self driving on her streets. What of the rights of those who have invested in either technology?


When I drove my Japanese manufactured Toyota into Ontario there were no problems until new registration was required. At that time hardware needed to be upgraded from Nevada specifications to Ontario specs.
Will time frames such as these, where vehicles from various regions are allowed to mix for months work for AI vehicles, or will each require an upgradechanges that take effect immediately on crossing the line. These changes are potentially far greater than the headlight controls and brakes upgrades that Ontario required.


Senators are already demanding that systems approaching autonomy be pulled from the nation's roads. Europe apparently has already acted, citing safety concerns rather than misrepresentations.


I think a pause is called for, at least until regulations are in place.
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Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« Reply #230 on: November 27, 2019, 05:14:47 PM »
Cars rule! :o >:(

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« Reply #231 on: November 27, 2019, 08:49:22 PM »
Car-free housing development in Arizona
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A new housing development has broken ground in Tempe, Arizona, which won’t allow residents’ personal cars to be driven or parked on site, Curbedreports [via the Wall Street Journal]. It will be finished next year. Or, as Culdesac puts it, “1,000 residents, 0 private cars.”

Culdesac Tempe, a 1,000-person rental development, will instead use the space that would have been set aside for residents’ parking for retail, a food hall, green space, and other features.

The development is next to a light rail that connects to downtown and Arizona State University, and the developer was able to negotiate its way out of the required parking spots by prioritizing other, more green-friendly transportation options like ride shares, scooters and bikes.

If the development is successful, Culdesac will be looking to bring the concept to other US cities.
https://electrek.co/2019/11/27/egeb-epa-deregulation-chemical-plant-explosion-port-neches/
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« Reply #232 on: November 28, 2019, 11:08:05 AM »
Car-free housing development in Arizona
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A new housing development has broken ground in Tempe, Arizona, which won’t allow residents’ personal cars to be driven or parked on site, Curbedreports [via the Wall Street Journal]. It will be finished next year. Or, as Culdesac puts it, “1,000 residents, 0 private cars.”

Culdesac Tempe, a 1,000-person rental development, will instead use the space that would have been set aside for residents’ parking for retail, a food hall, green space, and other features.

The development is next to a light rail that connects to downtown and Arizona State University, and the developer was able to negotiate its way out of the required parking spots by prioritizing other, more green-friendly transportation options like ride shares, scooters and bikes.

If the development is successful, Culdesac will be looking to bring the concept to other US cities.
https://electrek.co/2019/11/27/egeb-epa-deregulation-chemical-plant-explosion-port-neches/


There was a similar, but slightly larger development in California ~50 yrs ago. Had a private lake & was well stocked with golf carts. Largely inhabited by retirees eager to leave school taxes behind them. The homes were privately owned, not leased & they must have used Norco's fire and police services. They were tied to Norco's sewer & water system but somehow avoided the majority of their municipal restrictions and regulations.


It was surrounded by pine trees which blocked the view & had gated access from a county highway ~ a mile to the west. I was in there once, though I can't imagine why. Very small homes on tiny lots, but well sited around the lake and nicely landscaped. A smallish pub and general store were the only businesses other than a real estate office. I suppose everyone was retired or commuted to LA.


Parking was in the unpaved, unsheltered desert & a second fence and gate kept the vehicles well back from the homes. Golf carts were used as private transportation from there.


They finally extended I-60 north of Corona and the development was paved over by 4 lanes of traffic & an interchange. No idea what they did with the lake.


I don't recall the name, but it wasn't "Paradise". ???
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« Reply #233 on: November 29, 2019, 06:56:26 PM »
So who pays the price for the ICE auto makers failing to get a grip on moving to EVs?

The workers, of course. But, being Germany, the workers can't be just thrown onto the street.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/29/daimler-to-axe-at-least-10000-jobs-worldwide
Daimler to axe at least 10,000 jobs worldwide
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Daimler has announced plans to cut at least 10,000 jobs worldwide in the latest sign of stress in the German automotive industry as it invests billions in electric cars.

Daimler, which owns Mercedes-Benz and also makes lorries, vans and buses, said on Friday it planned to cut thousands of jobs by the end of 2022, but later made it clear the toll would be higher.

“The total number worldwide will be in the five-digits,” the personnel chief, Wilfried Porth, told journalists. The company will cut one in 10 of its managers worldwide.

Mercedes-Benz, the maker of premium and luxury cars, outlined plans to save €1bn in staff costs this month, and union bosses suggested 1,100 jobs could go.

Daimler’s move is the latest sign of the massive disruption facing the German car industry as it makes the historic move away from producing cars with internal combustion engines towards battery electric vehicles. At the same time, profitable diesel sales have slumped after emissions cheating scandals, and the runaway growth of sales in China has stopped.

Battery electric cars are crucial to meet EU regulations coming into force in January that promise to impose fines potentially running into billions of euros on carmakers which do not reduce average carbon dioxide emissions below 95g per kilometre.

Volkswagen’s Audi on Tuesday said it would cut up to 9,500 jobs at its German factories by 2025 to save €6bn. In March, the Volkswagen brand said it planned to make 7,000 job cuts, to save €5.9bn and allow it to hire more staff to work on digital technology. BMW reportedly plans to cut as many as 6,000 jobs in Germany by 2022.

Daimler, made profits of €7.6bn last year,
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« Reply #234 on: November 29, 2019, 08:00:59 PM »
So who pays the price for the ICE auto makers failing to get a grip on moving to EVs?

The workers, of course. But, being Germany, the workers can't be just thrown onto the street.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/29/daimler-to-axe-at-least-10000-jobs-worldwide
Daimler to axe at least 10,000 jobs worldwide
Mercedes-Benz owner aims to slash €1bn from wage bill in drive towards to electric cars

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I usually post these things under Electric Cars as part of the transition to EVs (with Neven’s blessing).
But here’s more:

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Tom Randall (@tsrandall) 11/14/19, 10:33 AM
Daimler's new CEO is cutting $1.4 billion in jobs and capping investment as he warns of a painful transition to electric and autonomous cars. Even 20 new hybrid or electric models in the next 2 years only puts them "within reach" of new EU pollution limits   bloomberg.com/news/articles/…

ValueAnalyst (@ValueAnalyst1) 11/14/19, 10:48 AM
Daimler may go bust before Giga Berlin reaches scale.
https://twitter.com/valueanalyst1/status/1195005546438500365

“Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler has discreetly warned financial analysts that CO2 compliance costs and market headwinds for next year would be much larger than previously thought and asked them to reduce their earnings estimates for the automaker by billions of euros.”
Daimler dampens profit expectations ahead of new CEO's investor presentation
    Automotive News:  https://t.co/oup58yOeCC

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ValueAnalyst (@ValueAnalyst1) 5/19/19, 3:01 PM
U.S. Sales of @MercedesBenz crashing across the board.

"We are going to see models go away within the next 12 months," said one dealer who attended the closed-door meeting and asked not to be identified. "Within the next 90 days, we might see some of those announcements."
@Daimler
https://twitter.com/valueanalyst1/status/1130186857684381697
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« Reply #235 on: November 30, 2019, 10:08:05 AM »
Europe 'Takes one for the boys', while America turns its back on her commitments.


Do the unemployed blame America, the EU, their government, or immigrants competing for work?
Some French reacted badly to modest fuel tax increases. Can Germany afford enough circuses to placate her idled workers?


I don't see any way for this to end well. - and this is the beginning, not the end.
It's both too little too late, and too much too soon.
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