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« on: July 11, 2019, 06:51:37 PM »
I have made a spreadsheet with this forum's daily statistics that includes several charts. I pulled the statistics from here. If Google Sheets gives your computer fits as it is so poorly coded, I will link to a download for an Excel chart copy of it later. (as I just discovered I cannot upload Excel spreadsheets)

What immediately struck me the most as I was assembling these statistics is that the activity level this summer is so much higher than what has come before. The activity (11-day averaged posts) has been at or near record highs for nearly 2 months! Also, that the number of posts being made is completely unrelated to the number of new topics started. In fact, the number of new topics seems to have only gone down since the beginning.

Other stats that aren't in the Statistics Center and don't change much daily:
Percentage of members who have made a post: 59.8%
Average number of posts by a member: 128
Median number of posts by a member: 1 (this one is surprisingly close to 2)

As this is my first topic, I searched far and wide for topics that could already be covering this but couldn't find one.

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2019, 07:07:13 PM »
Also, that the number of posts being made is completely unrelated to the number of new topics started. In fact, the number of new topics seems to have only gone down since the beginning.

I think this is quite logical. There is a thread for every general topic by now. The need to open new threads becomes smaller over time.

Thanks for doing this, Darvince. Great idea. :)

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2019, 07:18:05 PM »
(as I just discovered I cannot upload Excel spreadsheets)

Google sheets works fine until it doesn't. Stick to very basic formulae and no problem. Tried it on one of my spreadsheets once just to see the entire shambles and gobbledy-gook it made. "Another fine mess you've got me into, Google."

This might work -
do a "save as" .csv file type.
You can then attach the .csv file to a posting on the forum.

We will only get the data as numbers plus the alphanumeric fields, all the equations are lost. But a .csv file can be uploaded into loads of different programs.
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2019, 11:35:41 PM »
Cool stuff, Darvince! I think you may find a correlation with Arctic sea ice loss.  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2019, 11:54:43 AM »
That spike in topics. Must have been a disturbance in the force.  ::)
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2019, 04:43:28 PM »
A milestone about to happen:
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2019, 05:15:02 PM »
A milestone about to happen:

But what if I don't post any more comments?
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2019, 05:48:00 PM »
A milestone about to happen:

But what if I don't post any more comments?

Too late  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2019, 01:40:38 PM »
strange number of guests today .. something awry ? b.c.
2007 + 5 = 2012 + 4 = 2016 + 3 = 2019 ...

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2019, 07:54:04 PM »
Bit more then expected?
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2019, 08:21:30 PM »
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Most Online Today: 3995. Most Online Ever: 3995 (Today at 08:49:03 AM)

?! Some kind of publicity today? Or bots?

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2019, 08:24:05 PM »
Bit more then expected?
Very much so. I guess partly due to
- approaching the sea ice minimum,
- some like to look only occasionally - Sunday is a rest day for the workers?

But even so - a couple of weeks ago the max was 1951 online , now just shy of 4,000.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2019, 09:11:07 PM »
Someone must have mentioned the forum somewhere?
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2019, 09:26:16 PM »
No way. Has to be a mistake.
Total users 1645.
Currently online 3350 guests, 28 users. Either these are bots or some statistics error.

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2019, 09:30:46 PM »
Or bots?

I guess so.  Or maybe some bug in the forum software.  Those page views are a completely unreliable metric. 

See also the suspiciously high numbers during November and December 2018: apparently there were much more page views in the middle of the freezing season than at the peak of the 2018 melt season.  Seems nonsense to me.



https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=stats#stats

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2019, 09:33:29 PM »
Someone must have mentioned the forum somewhere?

Possibly a Reddit posting, about a month ago:
Arctic Sea Ice forum is getting interesting...
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/c2xzn6/arctic_sea_ice_forum_is_getting_interesting/

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2019, 10:37:13 PM »
The middle of freezing season 2018 had a point were the high arctic was warmer then some locations in w-europe. It was a logical point for attention.

This season is very interesting but mainly for ASI nerds (this nerd wonders how slow it will end we shall see eventually) no real reason to come here now en masse?
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2019, 11:18:18 PM »
I think it's some kind of error, it has happened before, but I have no idea what is causing it.
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2019, 03:58:48 AM »
It's probably coming from a referral on other website...
A VERY unusual thing on this forum is that, by design, we have NOT installed Google Analytics or any tracking cookies (yet?). So we just can't know where people come from, the bounce rate, and many other such things. This may change... or not!

Neven, what do you think about having some more stats / installing Analytics ? By my work as Privacy consultant I tend to avoid this, but well it's sooo ubiquitous... and, what are your views on this, dear members?
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2019, 06:06:21 AM »
Thanks for the question DM, and the very good job of mastering the dungeon.
I appreciate it that there are no tracking cookies etc. Both Ghostery and UblockOrigin reporting 0   :) :-*
Same as on wikipedia pages, so you/we are in good high quality company.

I am impressed by the quality and stability of this beautiful functional forumsoftware. And the open minds of the administrators :)

In my opinion,
the fact that (USAevil)analytics are ubiquitous in other places is no argument for installing it here.
I maybe overstepping my part, but: Is there a need?
There are disadvantages when using analytics and cookies, which you are likely aware of as a Privacy Consultant. :)

When I close my browser, all cookies are deleted and every morning I have to click click click click the cookie-questions away. It is what it is but I don't like it.

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2019, 06:13:35 AM »
i would advise against installing google analytics. i dont trust them. How about opensource standalone anaytic tools instead, like analog ?


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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2019, 04:21:56 PM »
Or we just keep ignoring it (zen  :P ).
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2019, 04:43:27 PM »
Just an observation.

On another forum I was posting a thread about AI, Robots, Cybersecurity, and Nuclear weapons for several months. It got about 50-150 views a day. Then one day it went to 1000, and then 1800-2000. I thought it was a bug also.

Then I did a generic Google search for military AI robots, and it turned out that that obscure thread in a backwater forum was #3 on the front page of search results, right behind Lockheed. When it slipped off the first page the views dropped.

Most people do not look beyond the first page of search results.

I think the ASIF has floated up to the first page for one search term or another. (... and it's not keyword: ASIF - unless your a bangladeshi pop singer)

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2019, 11:02:19 PM »
I have updated the sheet to the 21st of August, and additionally, attached is a .csv for anyone who wishes to try and find things out from the data.

In response to the discussion above, it seems to me that many 'strange' things that happen in forum statistics should be attributed to spambots crawling the web or attempting to post (or managing to post). They will leave their traces on the statistics even with their posts deleted, as well as for every page they view, which counts as one page view rather than one per unique visitor. So if a hypothetical spambot were to view every single topic on the forum, that would be about 3,000 views from just one bot!

It will be quite interesting to see what level of activity the forum shifts to as the melting season ends.

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2019, 11:57:33 PM »
I have Google Analytics installed for the ASIB and ASIG, but rarely watch the stats. It could be done for this Forum as well, but I personally don't need it.
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2019, 01:39:18 AM »
Re: "Google Analytics installed for the ASIB and ASIG"

I thought you were, but thanx anyway for the heads up. For the sufficently paranoid among us, i suggest blocking google/related domains while browsing those sites.

Altho goofacetwit and others are sneaky and use nonobvious domain names and IP addresses, so the privacy battle is uphill.

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2019, 02:05:18 PM »
Gosh, August has just smashed the 4M views mark  ;D .  Leading any other month by more than 1M.


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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2019, 06:15:55 AM »
Gosh, August has just smashed the 4M views mark  ;D .  Leading any other month by more than 1M.


THANK YOU, all posters and readers!

5,542,149 views on August 2019!!!

Wow!  ::)

And the Forum could reach 1 million views on the first 4 days of September (847,311 at 6:18 AM).
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2019, 12:05:23 AM »
And the Forum could reach 1 million views on the first 4 days of September (847,311 at 6:18 AM).
September 5th, 2019, 12:02:47 AM : 1,073,512 page views on September (the first 4 days).  ;)
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50% [NSIDC Extent] or
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-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2019, 06:54:10 AM »
And the Forum could reach 1 million views on the first 4 days of September (847,311 at 6:18 AM).
September 5th, 2019, 12:02:47 AM : 1,073,512 page views on September (the first 4 days).  ;)

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2019, 05:25:28 PM »
Gosh, August has just smashed the 4M views mark  ;D .  Leading any other month by more than 1M.


THANK YOU, all posters and readers!

5,542,149 views on August 2019!!!

Wow!  ::)

And the Forum could reach 1 million views on the first 4 days of September (847,311 at 6:18 AM).
I started making and posting my graphics on August 15. Can it be?
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2019, 11:05:30 PM »
Page Views since the Forum opened 99,471,396.

At the current level of activity 100 million mark will be passed in 2-3 days time.
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2019, 11:18:51 AM »
I started making and posting my graphics on August 15. Can it be?

The F in ASIF from now on stands for Freegrass.  ;)

Amazing stats these past few weeks and days...
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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2019, 11:32:33 AM »
I started making and posting my graphics on August 15. Can it be?

The F in ASIF from now on stands for Freegrass.  ;)

Amazing stats these past few weeks and days...
I'm not sure what to think right now... Are you joking, or are you serious? Are my graphics really boosting your stats? That would be quite cool... :) I'm happy to be making a positive contribution to the climate change fight! :)
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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2019, 11:39:49 AM »
I am joking. Your graphics are nice, but not to the point that all of the Internet comes here to see them.  :)

I still think it has to do with bots. But maybe it's real.
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« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2019, 11:59:28 AM »
I am joking. Your graphics are nice, but not to the point that all of the Internet comes here to see them.  :)

I still think it has to do with bots. But maybe it's real.
That's what I thought... But still! You don't have many new members. Just more page views. So maybe people are finding their way back to ASIF thanks to my graphics? They do get thousands of downloads every day...

Anyway... It's always good to see more traffic! Hopefully they're not bots... Congrats! :)
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2019, 12:06:05 PM »
There was a post on reddit last month that would've generated a ton of unique visitor clicks https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/ch25vp/when_will_the_arctic_go_ice_free/

link clicks are in the order of thousands times larger than the upvote count on reddit from personal experience

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« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2019, 01:15:36 PM »
Ah ok.  ;D
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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2019, 03:16:32 PM »
Freegrass,

it is the community feeling here that does it. It is not individuals or their smashing graphics that kills everything else on the Internet, nor people finding their way back to this site. It is a constant, overwhelming move of active citizens (sorry Neven to have lost that fine label to some silly sea-ice fragment) which constantly stand up locally as well as internationally to oppose all kinds of silly climate change fact denial.

Please don't overestimate your own skills, and please don't underestimate your own possibilities to influence the right kind of decision-makers through this site.

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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2019, 04:22:48 PM »
There was a post on reddit last month that would've generated a ton of unique visitor clicks https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/ch25vp/when_will_the_arctic_go_ice_free/

link clicks are in the order of thousands times larger than the upvote count on reddit from personal experience
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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2019, 10:01:49 AM »
Arghhhhh I wanted to grab a screen capture at 100M but I fall asleep...


This one will do!


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« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2019, 09:10:35 PM »
231733 or just a short nap.  :)

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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2019, 11:36:44 PM »
527,000 page views already today is a new record beating 511,000 of 23 Aug 2019.

Just another 200 days at that rate to reach 200 million page views  ;) :o ;D

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« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2019, 07:43:06 AM »
Sigmetnow broke 15k posts.

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« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2019, 05:59:43 PM »
Indeed he did! Thank you Sigmetnow for all your contributions (from me as a newbie) :)  :D
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« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2019, 06:34:52 AM »
Gosh, August has just smashed the 4M views mark  ;D .  Leading any other month by more than 1M.


THANK YOU, all posters and readers!

5,542,149 views on August 2019!!!

Wow!  ::)

And the Forum could reach 1 million views on the first 4 days of September (847,311 at 6:18 AM).

We have changed from the record of 5.54 million views in August to a record of more than 5.1 million views, on the first 14 days of September.
Wow!  ::)  x 2 !!!
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2019, 06:41:47 AM »
Not a lot of new sign-ups though.

How sure are we this page view count is not caused by bots?
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2019, 06:52:34 AM »
From 2015 to may2019 I have lurked here. You can lurk without signing up.
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2019, 08:00:40 AM »
That's correct.

It's reasonable to assume that a spike in interest would also cause a spike in sign-ups anyway.

On the other hand, we are talking about big numbers here. It would be very very odd if a 2x interest would only produce lurking interest.
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Re: ASIF Statistics
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2019, 08:35:37 AM »
Another reason could be that Greta Thunberg is making the climate crisis a hot topic. The ASIF page views just reflect what people are talking about.

If that is true, I am really glad that people are starting to care about what's going on in the Arctic.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.