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Bugalugs

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Quantifying increased costs of living and CO2 output
« on: July 27, 2019, 12:02:12 PM »
Cost of living increases will cause people to work more, which will in turn generate more CO2. Has this ever been studied, or quantified? Or even discussed?

I am thinking increased costs of living related to GHG mitigation costs might cause more CO2 to be produced than mitigated?

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Re: Quantifying increased costs of living and CO2 output
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2019, 07:59:13 PM »
They will work more if they are actually needed.

High costs should promote efficiency.

Not investing results in having 0 habitable planets (or way too much mess if you are a moderate on this).

Þetta minnismerki er til vitnis um að við vitum hvað er að gerast og hvað þarf að gera. Aðeins þú veist hvort við gerðum eitthvað.

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Re: Quantifying increased costs of living and CO2 output
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2019, 08:10:43 PM »
Premise is faulty...

Renewables cost less than coal...

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,347.msg213718.html#msg213718

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Re: Quantifying increased costs of living and CO2 output
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2019, 12:46:11 AM »
I think you are both assuming that all mitigation costs have a certain level of effectiveness. Some authorities may bring in measures that are not effective. For example, if a small council buys two electric cars, and raises rates, all the ratepayers have to work a little longer, and they will be using their fossil fuel cars and tools because that's all they can afford.

End result, the "mitigation" cost creates more GHG.

I believe the GHG value of extra costs needs to be better understood. 

My concern is that councils declaring climate emergencies, while well meaning, may bring in a raft of costly but sometimes useless or even GHG-worsening measures.

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Re: Quantifying increased costs of living and CO2 output
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2019, 01:53:26 AM »
This argument works both ways.

How about cost of living savings ? lets say the council buys 2 electric cars and saves money and lowers rates ? then the townspeople have more money to spend and generate CO2 going out and spending it ?

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