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Re: Suggestions
« Reply #350 on: July 22, 2020, 08:16:55 PM »
I don’t know what will happen either Oren, but they keep contesting the mods authority, so I think letting them see what happens without any could be a learning experience, I mean Neven could straight up ban them but I am quite against the idea to be honest, on the other hand they are starting to question everything blumenkraft does which is not acceptable either
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« Reply #351 on: July 22, 2020, 08:58:40 PM »
As a former Admin myself, I'd just post-ban the lot of 'em. Petulant little children that they are. They're doing the internet equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle.

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« Reply #352 on: July 27, 2020, 10:44:55 PM »
I don’t know what will happen either Oren, but they keep contesting the mods authority, so I think letting them see what happens without any could be a learning experience, I mean Neven could straight up ban them but I am quite against the idea to be honest, on the other hand they are starting to question everything blumenkraft does which is not acceptable either
Yes I concurred with the suggestion of removing BK as moderator. He's very impulsive, easily triggered and easily triggering, makes very incorrect responses as the recent Friz episode, and is very biased, admitting that he uses it for moderation. He's very authoritarian too.
Call it a tantrum, whatever, that guy cannot moderate as he lacks moderation.
I continue supporting the suggestion.

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« Reply #353 on: July 27, 2020, 10:47:29 PM »
As a former Admin myself, I'd just post-ban the lot of 'em. Petulant little children that they are. They're doing the internet equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle.
I suggest moderating condescending paternalistic comments void of content as the one above.

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« Reply #354 on: July 27, 2020, 11:55:00 PM »
I observed that some users here have a statistic that goes about like this:

40% of the posts without contributing content on any topic but acclaiming a small group after first checking from which direction the wind blows.

40% bashing others but again only after waiting for a few posts to be sure from which
direction the wind blows to make certain to be in the right slot of the "winners"

20% post on a topic, mostly without big value that might not matter but still

So the acclaimed few will of course not complain about this and the others that are and were
bashed of course can't do a lot because they're in the  group of the losers.

It would be interesting to see someone sharpening his sensors to such intrigant behaviour, not that I expect to get far with this wish/suggestion, it's just that for me intrigant pharisees are one of the worst. I prefer people who are wrong or complicated but with an honest point to make that eventually can be proven right or wrong.

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« Reply #355 on: August 19, 2020, 01:39:11 PM »
It is always better to wash one's dirty linen in private. As has been said already, any visitor reading the forum decorum thread would be likely to think - what the shit is all this?.

& don't be surprised if some of that stuff ends up quoted on an unfriendly website. There are, I am sure, not a few who would love to see the ASIF wounded or even destroyed.

So, is there any way a thread can be locked to restrict access to registered members only ?

It is is possible, I would do the same for the covid-19 thread, and probably as the US election gets near, a lot of the politics stuff. (& maybe the suggestions thread as well).

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Re: Suggestions
« Reply #356 on: August 19, 2020, 01:47:11 PM »
Amen to that.
On another tangent altogether, would one of 'our' fine graph makers consider doing an 11 year running average 0-0 5-5 inc. on some of the stats? they're all starting to look very busy and difficult to interpret.

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« Reply #357 on: August 19, 2020, 02:18:42 PM »
Which stats?
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« Reply #358 on: August 19, 2020, 09:49:42 PM »
"not a few who would love to see the ASIF wounded or even destroyed."

Who and why ? Any evidence for this ?

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« Reply #359 on: August 19, 2020, 10:11:27 PM »
I doubt we could get definitive proof for that, either way. But bad actors sowing discord/misinfo/etc. on websites (in our case here, it would be AGW deniers & that sort of angle) is a reality that we are all faced with most everywhere online, it's becoming more common, and these people are continually improving their "craft" (AKA blending in). Plenty of info on this stuff if one wants to google around.

Here? Who knows. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised either way.

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« Reply #360 on: August 19, 2020, 10:19:43 PM »
I doubt we could get definitive proof for that, either way. But bad actors sowing discord/misinfo/etc. on websites (in our case here, it would be AGW deniers & that sort of angle) is a reality that we are all faced with most everywhere online, it's becoming more common, and these people are continually improving their "craft" (AKA blending in). Plenty of info on this stuff if one wants to google around.

Here? Who knows. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Why mince words when you can just come out and say it: these malicious accounts are clearly Hillary Clinton in disguise.

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« Reply #361 on: August 19, 2020, 10:44:54 PM »
"not a few who would love to see the ASIF wounded or even destroyed."

Who and why ? Any evidence for this ?

sidd
No, I cannot give you chapter and verse. But I spent many years in many countries collecting and analysing data from multiple sources and making connections. We know..

- the ASIF is bombarded by bots. We don't know, but Neven and the Dungeon Master do, how many were malicious.

- Ask the mods and Neven about how many deniers get blocked from getting on the forum. And how many got through. Hence the much stricter screening of applicants.

- & haven't you noticed there is a well-funded denial industry out there. The BBC did a series of radio4 programmes on how the fossil fuel industry has used the Tobacco Playbook to undermine the acceptance of AGW by the public, and how widespread their network is. This industry is extremely well-funded, extremely well-managed with well-defined objectives. A major strategy is destroying the reputation of individuals and organisations.

Although the ASIF does not campaign - others do use the info we collect**, much of which is high quality.. This leads me to conclude that that makes us somewhere between a nuisance and a threat.

So Sidd, no certainties but enough to convince me
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**That I do know - I have had several texts & emails to tell me so.


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« Reply #362 on: August 20, 2020, 12:36:56 AM »
"not a few who would love to see the ASIF wounded or even destroyed."

Who and why ? Any evidence for this ?

sidd

 there's probably a watts' app for that .. b.c.
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« Reply #363 on: August 20, 2020, 03:51:35 AM »
Usefull idiots .
I have not seen any evidences of that we have paid disinformers operating on here.
We do have some useful idiots that repeat disinformation they get from other sources.
I would guess that sidd on here is also the sidd that comments on real climate.
Mack a usefull idiot  as recently   comments on real climate is getting his rubbish from sources known to be financed by the disinformation campaign.  As do the two deniers I have identified on here.
The Denial industry does  not necessary focus out right denial.
Instead it operates on FUD fear uncertainty and doubt. 
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« Reply #364 on: August 20, 2020, 09:56:41 AM »
The Denial industry does  not necessary focus out right denial.
Instead it operates on FUD fear uncertainty and doubt.
Exactly - straight from the latter stages of the Tobacco industry's playbook, developed & refined to make effective use of all the new social media platforms.
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« Reply #365 on: August 20, 2020, 12:39:37 PM »
Remember where they were coming from...