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Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« Reply #750 on: February 05, 2024, 10:03:27 PM »
To finalize my update on greenhouse gases here is the summary of the four postings in the individual gas concentration threads.

More radiative forcing of the "NOAA gases" (CO2, CH4, N2O, SF6) in October 2023 than in October 2022, but less than in May 2023.

The values [W/m²], change to Sep. 2023, change to Oct. 2022 and change to Oct. 2013 in brackets:
CO2  2.193    (+ 0.004)    (+ 0.040)    (+ 0.312)
CH4  0.541    (+ 0.002)    (+ 0.005)    (+ 0.041)
N2O  0.218    (+ 0.001)    (+ 0.003)    (+ 0.033)
SF6  0.0060  (+ 0.0000)   (+ 0.0002)  (+ 0.0018)
sum 2.957   (+ 0.006)   (+ 0.047)  (+ 0.386) (rounding differences)

The relative annual increase is 1.61 %, higher than in October 2022 (+ 1.11 %).

Compared with 1980 [average was 1.578 W/m²] the increase since then sums up to 87.4 %.

This recalculates to a CO2eq of 483.1 ppm (annual increase of 4.3 ppm).

Relative proportion on rF of the four NOAA gases, changes to one year ago in brackets:
CO2: 74.14%   (+0.14%)
CH4: 18.29%   (-0.14%)
N2O:   7.34%   (-0.01%)
SF6:    0.202% (+0.003%)
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« Reply #751 on: March 06, 2024, 06:38:00 AM »
To finalize my update on greenhouse gases here is the summary of the four postings in the individual gas concentration threads.

More radiative forcing of the "NOAA gases" (CO2, CH4, N2O, SF6) in November 2023 than in November 2022, but less than in May 2023.

The values [W/m²], change to Oct. 2023, change to Nov. 2022 and change to Nov. 2013 in brackets:
CO2  2.213    (+ 0.020)    (+ 0.038)    (+ 0.309)
CH4  0.541    (+ 0.000)    (+ 0.004)    (+ 0.041)
N2O  0.218    (+ 0.000)    (+ 0.003)    (+ 0.033)
SF6  0.0060  (+ 0.0000)   (+ 0.0002)  (+ 0.0018)
sum 2.979   (+ 0.022)   (+ 0.045)  (+ 0.386) (rounding differences)

The relative annual increase is 1.53 %, higher than in November 2022 (+ 1.41 %).

Compared with 1980 [average was 1.578 W/m²] the increase since then sums up to 88.8 %.

This recalculates to a CO2eq of 485.0 ppm (annual increase of 4.1 ppm).

Relative proportion on rF of the four NOAA gases, changes to one year ago in brackets:
CO2: 74.30%   (+0.15%)
CH4: 18.17%   (-0.15%)
N2O:   7.33%   (-0.01%)
SF6:    0.202% (+0.004%)
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« Reply #752 on: April 06, 2024, 08:10:44 AM »
To finalize my update on greenhouse gases here is the summary of the four postings in the individual gas concentration threads.

More radiative forcing of the "NOAA gases" (CO2, CH4, N2O, SF6) in December 2023 than in December 2022, but less than in May 2023.

The values [W/m²], change to Nov. 2023, change to Dec. 2022 and change to Dec. 2013 in brackets:
CO2  2.231    (+ 0.018)    (+ 0.036)    (+ 0.313)
CH4  0.540    (- 0.001)    (+ 0.002)    (+ 0.042)
N2O  0.219    (+ 0.001)    (+ 0.003)    (+ 0.033)
SF6  0.0060  (+ 0.0000)   (+ 0.0002)  (+ 0.0018)
sum 2.997   (+ 0.018)   (+ 0.043)  (+ 0.391) (rounding differences)

The relative annual increase is 1.46 %, higher than in December 2022 (+ 1.34 %).

Compared with 1980 [average was 1.578 W/m²] the increase since then sums up to 89.9 %.

This recalculates to a CO2eq of 486.6 ppm (annual increase of 3.8 ppm).

Relative proportion on rF of the four NOAA gases, changes to one year ago in brackets:
CO2: 74.46%   (+0.17%)
CH4: 18.04%   (-0.16%)
N2O:   7.30%   (-0.01%)
SF6:    0.201% (+0.004%)

See attached graph which shows the 12 months trailing average and the increase rate.
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« Reply #753 on: April 07, 2024, 12:08:08 AM »
from The Guardian   ......record high levels of heat trapping gases....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/apr/06/record-highs-heat-trapping-gases-climate-crisis

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« Reply #754 on: April 07, 2024, 09:29:23 PM »
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The global concentration of carbon dioxide, the most important and prevalent of the greenhouse gases emitted by human activity, rose to an average of 419 parts per million in the atmosphere in 2023 while methane, a powerful if shorter-lasting greenhouse gas, rose to an average of 1922 parts per billion. Levels of nitrous oxide, the third most significant human-caused warming emission, climbed slightly to 336 parts per billion.

Still going up. We´ll see if we manage not to grow them in a year or so...
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« Reply #755 on: April 08, 2024, 12:56:28 PM »
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The global concentration of carbon dioxide, the most important and prevalent of the greenhouse gases emitted by human activity, rose to an average of 419 parts per million in the atmosphere in 2023 while methane, a powerful if shorter-lasting greenhouse gas, rose to an average of 1922 parts per billion. Levels of nitrous oxide, the third most significant human-caused warming emission, climbed slightly to 336 parts per billion.

Still going up. We´ll see if we manage not to grow them in a year or so...
"We´ll see if we manage not to grow them in a year or so..."

If the Paris 2015 Agreement 2030 CO2 emissions targets are met, CO2 ppm will still be going up - just at a slower rate. Add to that damage to the land and ocean sinks.

In theory BigOil&Gas will reduce methane emissions from their activities by 30% by 2030. Will that mean atmospheric methane ppb will start to reduce? And one also has to think about methane emissions from non-fossil fuel activities - cattle, wetlands, permafrost etc.

N2O - use of nitrogen-based fertiliser seems to be one of the reasons for its increase. The EU has just crippled its Green Agenda including plans to reduce use of fertiliser (and pesticides)

Actually reducing atmospheric concentratiions of greenhouse gases still looks like a looonnng way away.
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« Reply #756 on: April 08, 2024, 05:28:26 PM »
re methane from cattle  ....possibly lower methane genetics available from 2026 .....

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/499881/low-methane-genetics-on-track-for-access-by-2026-lic-says

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« Reply #757 on: April 09, 2024, 04:31:16 PM »
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The global concentration of carbon dioxide, the most important and prevalent of the greenhouse gases emitted by human activity, rose to an average of 419 parts per million in the atmosphere in 2023 while methane, a powerful if shorter-lasting greenhouse gas, rose to an average of 1922 parts per billion. Levels of nitrous oxide, the third most significant human-caused warming emission, climbed slightly to 336 parts per billion.

Still going up. We´ll see if we manage not to grow them in a year or so...
"We´ll see if we manage not to grow them in a year or so..."

If the Paris 2015 Agreement 2030 CO2 emissions targets are met, CO2 ppm will still be going up - just at a slower rate. Add to that damage to the land and ocean sinks.

In theory BigOil&Gas will reduce methane emissions from their activities by 30% by 2030. Will that mean atmospheric methane ppb will start to reduce? And one also has to think about methane emissions from non-fossil fuel activities - cattle, wetlands, permafrost etc.

N2O - use of nitrogen-based fertiliser seems to be one of the reasons for its increase. The EU has just crippled its Green Agenda including plans to reduce use of fertiliser (and pesticides)

Actually reducing atmospheric concentratiions of greenhouse gases still looks like a looonnng way away.

It does. But not growing our CO2 output would be one of those small victories. Then it also needs to decline rather rapidly to keep us under 2C by one metric although the NASA high res study has us hitting that in the 2040ies anyway.

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« Reply #758 on: April 10, 2024, 12:43:27 AM »
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The global concentration of carbon dioxide, the most important and prevalent of the greenhouse gases emitted by human activity, rose to an average of 419 parts per million in the atmosphere in 2023 while methane, a powerful if shorter-lasting greenhouse gas, rose to an average of 1922 parts per billion. Levels of nitrous oxide, the third most significant human-caused warming emission, climbed slightly to 336 parts per billion.

Still going up. We´ll see if we manage not to grow them in a year or so...
"We´ll see if we manage not to grow them in a year or so..."

If the Paris 2015 Agreement 2030 CO2 emissions targets are met, CO2 ppm will still be going up - just at a slower rate. Add to that damage to the land and ocean sinks.

In theory BigOil&Gas will reduce methane emissions from their activities by 30% by 2030. Will that mean atmospheric methane ppb will start to reduce? And one also has to think about methane emissions from non-fossil fuel activities - cattle, wetlands, permafrost etc.

N2O - use of nitrogen-based fertiliser seems to be one of the reasons for its increase. The EU has just crippled its Green Agenda including plans to reduce use of fertiliser (and pesticides)

Actually reducing atmospheric concentratiions of greenhouse gases still looks like a looonnng way away.

It does. But not growing our CO2 output would be one of those small victories. Then it also needs to decline rather rapidly to keep us under 2C by one metric although the NASA high res study has us hitting that in the 2040ies anyway.

Just a thought....

Even if we manage to become net zero as a global civilization, we still need to reduce it more to compensate for CO2 emissions from nature that weren't there before.

For example, the Amazon could (is already?) a carbon emitter when it was a sink. We need to reduce our emissions more than net zero. Although, if net zero means reducing CO2 emissions from ALL sources then I don't understand the definition properly and this is a pointless thought.

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« Reply #759 on: April 10, 2024, 04:48:28 PM »
Well net zero was mainly some trick or goal for organisations. Go as low as you can then compensate the rest. Of course the compensation pool is not big enough for all companies. And we can´t do it globally

We need to stop emitting any fossil fuels or get the yearly emissions down much faster then is likely.

If we stop growing the emissions next year then maybe after that our emissions would decline.
Ideally the yearly decline should be bigger then the extra emissions from all other sources in that year. We have no idea what it will be so we better take a really wide margin to at least get atmospheric CO2 down a bit.

Then add an ambitious target for the decline of our direct emissions.
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« Reply #760 on: May 06, 2024, 09:14:43 PM »
To finalize my update on greenhouse gases here is the summary of the four postings in the individual gas concentration threads.

More radiative forcing of the "NOAA gases" (CO2, CH4, N2O, SF6) in January 2024 than in January 2023, but less than in May 2023.

The values [W/m²], change to Dec. 2023, change to Jan. 2023 and change to Jan. 2014 in brackets:
CO2  2.243    (+ 0.012)    (+ 0.042)    (+ 0.323)
CH4  0.540    (- 0.000)     (+ 0.003)    (+ 0.042)
N2O  0.219    (+ 0.000)    (+ 0.003)    (+ 0.033)
SF6  0.0061  (+ 0.0001)   (+ 0.0003)  (+ 0.0019)
sum 3.009   (+ 0.012)   (+ 0.049)  (+ 0.401) (rounding differences)

The relative annual increase is 1.66 %, much higher than in January 2023 (+ 0.88 %).

Compared with 1980 [average was 1.578 W/m²] the increase since then sums up to 90.7 %.

This recalculates to a CO2eq of 487.7 ppm (annual increase of 4.4 ppm). This is one of the highest increase rates. Only some months in 1998 and 2016 (strong El Niño years) and July 2023 had a higher increase rate in CO2eq.

Relative proportion on rF of the four NOAA gases, changes to one year ago in brackets:
CO2: 74.56%   (+0.20%)
CH4: 17.95%   (-0.18%)
N2O:   7.30%   (-0.01%)
SF6:    0.201% (+0.004%)
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« Reply #761 on: May 14, 2024, 12:06:54 PM »
This 50,000-year-old block of ice reveals the true state of CO2 levels now

Despite an ever-growing body of evidence indicating we're now living beneath unprecedented levels of atmospheric greenhouse gases, a lack of thorough historical knowledge has hindered our ability to put present-day CO2 emissions into a concrete, long-term context. So what if we're able to use the planet's own record-keeping to fill in those important blanks?

This is the bold approach taken in a new study from Oregon State University (OSU) and University of St Andrews scientists, who, working with the US National Science Foundation, have unlocked a 50,000-year timeline of atmospheric carbon dioxide – thanks to tiny bubbles trapped in Antarctic ice, frozen in time miles below the Earth's surface.

“Studying the past teaches us how today is different," said Kathleen Wendt, an assistant professor at OSU and the study’s lead author. "The rate of CO2 change today really is unprecedented."

Using frozen samples from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) Divide ice core, which were extracted by drilling two miles (3.2 km) deep, the team conducted chemical analysis on the little pockets of preserved gases in the ice blocks to get a clear picture of atmospheric CO2 changes over the many, many years.

What the researchers found was that yes, there have been periods of elevated CO2 in the atmosphere far beyond 'normal' range – but those levels pale in comparison to what we're now facing thanks to anthropogenic greenhouse-gas emissions.

While the team identified that, over 50,000 years, the natural ebb and flow of CO2 in the atmosphere did increase by an estimated 14 parts per million across 55 years, every 7,000 years or so. Now, CO2 levels jump that same amount every five to six years.

Essentially, CO2 levels are now increasing at a rate that's 10 times faster than at any point in the last 50,000 years.


“Our research identified the fastest rates of past natural CO2 rise ever observed, and the rate occurring today, largely driven by human emissions, is 10 times higher," Wendt said.

The team's analysis has painted a clear, long-term picture of the Earth's historic atmospheric CO2 fluctuations, which also revealed spikes coinciding with North Atlantic cold intervals – or Heinrich events – that are linked to sudden and significant climate changes.

“These Heinrich events are truly remarkable,” said Christo Buizert, an associate professor at OSU and co-author of the study. “We think they are caused by a dramatic collapse of the North American ice sheet. This sets into motion a chain reaction that involves changes to the tropical monsoons, the Southern Hemisphere westerly winds and these large burps of CO2 coming out of the oceans.”

Existing climate data has forecast these westerly winds to likely become stronger and more frequent as the planet warms, and if so will reduce the all-important Southern Ocean's ability to absorb and contain human-generated CO2. Safe to say, this is not the kind of positive feedback loop that scientists want to see, as the planet continues to warm.

“We rely on the Southern Ocean to take up part of the carbon dioxide we emit, but rapidly increasing southerly winds weaken its ability to do so,” added Wendt, who believes the historical knowledge will ultimately enable a better understanding of Earth's processes and increase our ability to better target interventions.

"The rate and magnitude of atmospheric CO2 rises resolved in this study provide critical constraints on carbon-cycle variability during abrupt climate shifts and urge caution that the modern-day Southern Ocean carbon sink has the potential to weaken in response to continued poleward enhancement of the SH westerlies," the researchers concluded.

https://newatlas.com/environment/50-000-years-co2-atmosphere/
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« Reply #762 on: May 14, 2024, 11:55:16 PM »
In recent temps:

Study shows summer 2023 was hottest in 2,000 years

Summer 2023 was the hottest in the northern hemisphere over the past 2,000 years, researchers have said.

An assessment by scientists comparing last year to the past two millennia using tree ring data found that the summer months of June, July and August were at least 0.5C hotter than the extremes of a naturally-varying climate.

And 2023 was nearly 4C hotter than the coldest summer in the northern hemisphere in the past two thousand years, as an El Nino weather pattern in the Pacific – which drives up temperatures – amplified the impact of human-caused global warming.

The analysis in the context of the sweep of history shows how “dramatic” recent global warming is, one of the researchers said.

Scientists used observations from weather stations and compared limited early records with tree ring data to show that 2023 summer temperatures over northern hemisphere land were 2.07C warmer than for 1850-1900.

The 1850-1900 period is used as a baseline for the pre-industrial period to assess the global warming that has occurred as a result of human activity such as burning fossil fuels, including in the Paris Agreement under which countries have agreed to limit temperature rises to 1.5C.

The study, published in the journal Nature, warns that in the northern hemisphere, the limit has already been breached.

And the research extended temperatures back over 2,000 years using the tree-ring data, as well as approximating the variability in the climate caused by El Nino and its opposite, La Nina.

It showed that the summer of 2023 exceeded the long-term pre-instrumental average from 1AD to 1890 by 2.2C.

The coldest reconstructed summer was in 536 AD, which was influenced by a large volcanic eruption that cooled the surface of the planet by putting out large amounts of aerosols that block the sun.

That year’s summer was 3.93C colder than 2023, the research by the scientists from the University of Cambridge and the Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz found.

The naturally warmest summer in the record, which occurred in a warm period under the Roman empire in 246AD, was 1.19C cooler than last summer.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/hottest-summer-evet-2023-climate-b2544922.html
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