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14 (20.6%)
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« Reply #9150 on: October 01, 2020, 12:35:14 AM »
Association of Vitamin D Status and Other Clinical Characteristics With COVID-19 Test Results
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770157

Is vitamin D status, reflecting vitamin D levels and treatment, associated with test results for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings:  In this cohort study of 489 patients who had a vitamin D level measured in the year before COVID-19 testing, the relative risk of testing positive for COVID-19 was 1.77 times greater for patients with likely deficient vitamin D status compared with patients with likely sufficient vitamin D status, a difference that was statistically significant. (relative risk, 1.77; 95% CI, 1.12-2.81; P = .02)

Vitamin D deficiency was defined by the last measurement of 25-hydroxycholecalciferol less than 20 ng/mL or 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol less than 18 pg/mL before COVID-19 testing.

These findings appear to support a role of vitamin D status in COVID-19 risk; randomized clinical trials are needed to determine whether broad population interventions and interventions among groups at increased risk of vitamin D deficiency and COVID-19 could reduce COVID-19 incidence.

Predicted COVID-19 rates in the deficient group were 21.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-29.2%) vs 12.2%(95% CI, 8.9%-15.4%) in the sufficient group.

In this single-center, retrospective cohort study, likely deficient vitamin D status was associated with increased COVID-19 risk, a finding that suggests that randomized trials may be needed to determine whether vitamin D affects COVID-19 risk.

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Mental Health Issues Double the Odds of Dying With COVID-19, Study Finds
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-09-mental-health-issues-odds-dying.html

Folks diagnosed with any type of psychiatric problem—anxiety or depression, dementia, psychosis—were up to 2.3 times more likely to die in the hospital from COVID-19, researchers found.

Li and her colleagues tracked the health of 1,685 patients hospitalized at Yale New Haven Health, a five-hospital system in Connecticut, between February and April. Of those patients, 28% had received a psychiatric diagnosis prior to hospitalization.

36% of COVID-19 patients with a psychiatric diagnosis died within two weeks of hospitalization, compared with 15% of those with no such diagnosis.

41% of patients with mental illness died within three weeks, compared with 22% of those without.

The four-week mortality rate was 45% for those with a diagnosed psychiatric condition and 32% for those without.

The findings were published online Sept. 30 in JAMA Network Open.

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Trump Admin. Overrules CDC Director On Extending Ban On Cruises
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/trump-admin-overrules-cdc-director-on-extending-ban-on-cruises/

Trump administration officials have once again sidelined the head of the country’s leading public health agency while crafting public health policy. This time, officials torpedoed a plan to extend the “no-sail” order on cruise ships until next year.

Cruise ships were initial hotbeds of coronavirus transmission at the start of the global pandemic, which is still far from under control in the United States. Mass outbreaks on the tightly-packed, social vessels forced the cruise industry to shut down in March, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a no-sail order that is set to expire today, Wednesday, September 30.

In a meeting in the White House Situation Room Tuesday, CDC Director Robert Redfield floated a recommendation to extend the no-sail order until February 2021, according to a report by Axios. But Vice President Mike Pence, who chaired the meeting, told Redfield that the administration will be setting a different course.

Instead, the administration will only extend the no-sail order until October 31, matching a self-imposed ban by the cruise industry. Between now and then, the administration expects the cruise industry to demonstrate its plans to allow cruises to “sail in a safe and responsible manner and that the companies assume the burden of dealing with any possible outbreaks," according to officials at the meeting. Further, cruise industry representatives will meet with Trump this Friday to pitch their plans and discuss if the no-sail order needs to be extended further.

US health officials privately complained to Axios that the administration sank Redfield’s recommendation for political reasons. The cruise industry has significant economic influence in Florida, which is a critical battleground in the upcoming presidential election.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #9151 on: October 01, 2020, 12:58:08 AM »
Association of Vitamin D Status and Other Clinical Characteristics With COVID-19 Test Results
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770157

Is vitamin D status, reflecting vitamin D levels and treatment, associated with test results for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings:  In this cohort study of 489 patients who had a vitamin D level measured in the year before COVID-19 testing, the relative risk of testing positive for COVID-19 was 1.77 times greater for patients with likely deficient vitamin D status compared with patients with likely sufficient vitamin D status, a difference that was statistically significant. (relative risk, 1.77; 95% CI, 1.12-2.81; P = .02)

Vitamin D deficiency was defined by the last measurement of 25-hydroxycholecalciferol less than 20 ng/mL or 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol less than 18 pg/mL before COVID-19 testing.

These findings appear to support a role of vitamin D status in COVID-19 risk; randomized clinical trials are needed to determine whether broad population interventions and interventions among groups at increased risk of vitamin D deficiency and COVID-19 could reduce COVID-19 incidence.

Predicted COVID-19 rates in the deficient group were 21.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-29.2%) vs 12.2%(95% CI, 8.9%-15.4%) in the sufficient group.

In this single-center, retrospective cohort study, likely deficient vitamin D status was associated with increased COVID-19 risk, a finding that suggests that randomized trials may be needed to determine whether vitamin D affects COVID-19 risk.

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We also note that our sample is enriched in persons with vitamin D deficiency because of the large number of African American individuals, adults with chronic illness, and health care workers, all living in a northern city and exposed to COVID-19 during winter.

I suspect that vitamin pills would not really help African Americans, people with chronic illness, and health care workers to escape Covid. And I do not think pills would help me. Eat fish!

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #9152 on: October 01, 2020, 01:09:01 AM »
'Healthy' college student, 19, with 'so much life ahead' dies from Covid-19
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Chad Dorrill, a second-year student at Appalachian State University, had recovered from flu-like symptoms before developing complications.
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« Reply #9153 on: October 01, 2020, 02:12:55 AM »
Meatpackers Deny Workers Benefits for Virus-Related Deaths, Illnesses
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/meatpackers-deny-workers-benefits-for-virus-related-deaths-illnesses.html

The U.S. meatpacking industry, more so than other food-production industries, has suffered severe and deadly coronavirus outbreaks, Reuters reported. The reason for the persistent spread is, in part, because production-line workers often work side-by-side for long shifts.

Despite being so affected by Covid-19, many major companies in the industry are refusing to pay for workers’ compensation claims for employees who fall ill or die from the virus.

JBS, the world’s largest meatpacker, has claimed employees’ infections were not work-related in denying workers’ compensation claims, according to the wire service. As more Americans return to workplaces, the experience of JBS employees highlights the difficulty of linking infections to employment and getting compensation for medical care and lost wages.

“That is the ultimate question: How can you prove it?” Nick Fogel, an attorney specializing in workers’ compensation at the firm Burg Simpson in Colorado, told Reuters.

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« Reply #9154 on: October 01, 2020, 02:50:10 AM »
Cats Shed More Than Dogs. The Coronavirus, Not Fur
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/science/cats-coronavirus-immunity.html

A new experiment confirmed that cats can spread the virus to one another, and found dogs did not shed the virus. There’s still no evidence that pets transmit it to humans.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/09/28/2013102117

Does this happen in the real world? There is some evidence of street cats in Wuhan, China, having been exposed to the virus. But it may be that in the United States, because many cats are kept indoors, transmission is minimal.

Or Dr. Bosco-Lauth said, cat infection with the virus could be relatively common without humans noticing, because of a lack of symptoms. “Those cats that were infected in the experiment?” she said. “You would never have known.”
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« Reply #9155 on: October 01, 2020, 03:53:04 AM »
Vitamin D how much and when. 

When looking at the Deconte articles  sources on platelets    (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2996.msg288275.html#msg288275)     I looked at some of the other papers written up by a few of the authors and found one Vitamin D paper from Dec 2019  where they gave large dose to patients as they were going into critical care in the hospital, they saw no postive results for outcome 90 days later.   No, not COVID - it was for all intakes.  But what do you expect, supplements are tools that hopefully will lower frequency and intensity.   Throwing in a huge dose when hospitalization starts is a day late and a $ short probably. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31826336/          as i said above, nice try but not applicable to Covid-19.   

 My hope for Vitamin D is that if/when  I get infected it will slow the early exponential viral growth and give time for the the body to adjust and fight.  And to be hopefully less contagious, a faster recovery. less morbidity.   Amelioration, there is a lot to be said for that.   I was takng 400 IU last few years, but my dads nephroglist said no problems for my using up my dads 1,000 IU when dad was put on calcitriol.  I went back to 400.  Time to buy more, myself I will go to 1,000 IU.   

Via the Mayo web site I see a caution for high vitamin D and one type of statin.   This vegetarian was put on a statin in 1999 by one doctor and simvastatin in Canada in 2000. Works like a charm, no side effects for me.    I see no other intereactions for myself.  I will ask my pharmacist if he/she recommends more.   The answer will probably be no.  I'm good with that. 

Would be nice if there was some 10,000 person  study where they tested Vitamin D a couple of times over a year or two and they review the people who got Covid-19 later and outcomes.  Dream on. 

Or studies where when people get tested, they are given a loading dose and prescribed Vitamin D (or placebo)   Or when they get tested for Covid-19 they are also tested for vitamin D.   Or for blood donors.  And yes, it is time for me to give blood again.  peace out.

I have had two days off and it is back into licensed facilities. 

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« Reply #9156 on: October 01, 2020, 01:43:32 PM »
Neanderthal genes may be to blame in some severe coronavirus cases
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/health/neanderthal-genes-severe-coronavirus-reactions-wellness-scn/index.html
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A team of experts on Neanderthal genetics examined a strand of DNA that has been associated with some of the more serious cases of Covid-19 and compared it to sequences known to have been passed down to living Europeans and Asians from Neanderthal ancestors.
The DNA strand is found on chromosome 3, and a team of researchers in Europe has linked certain variations in this sequence with the risk of being more severely ill with Covid-19.
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« Reply #9157 on: October 01, 2020, 02:37:40 PM »
FDA Widens U.S. Safety Inquiry Into AstraZeneca Coronavirus Vaccine - Sources
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-astrazenec-idUSKBN26L3TA

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has broadened its investigation of a serious illness in AstraZeneca Plc’s COVID-19 vaccine study and will look at data from earlier trials of similar vaccines developed by the same scientists, three sources familiar with the details told Reuters.

AstraZeneca’s large, late-stage U.S. trial has remained on hold since Sept. 6, after a study participant in Britain fell ill with what was believed to be a rare spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis.

The widened scope of the FDA probe raises the likelihood of additional delays for what has been one of the most advanced COVID-19 vaccine candidates in development. The requested data was expected to arrive this week, after which the FDA would need time to analyze it, two of the sources said.

The FDA wants to determine whether similar side effects emerged in trials of other vaccines designed by AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine partner, researchers at Oxford University, the sources said. That does not mean the agency believes there were safety issues associated with any of these vaccines, they added.

Further complicating the situation is that the data requested by FDA is in a different format than what the U.S. regulator requires, two of the sources said.

While other vaccine developers have used human adenoviruses for such vaccines, the Oxford researchers chose an adenovirus found in chimpanzees. They felt this would reduce the likelihood that an individual’s immune system would attack the vector virus due to prior exposure rather than the intended target.

Reuters reviewed six research papers that detailed safety data of vaccines using the engineered chimpanzee adenovirus called ChAdOx1 for diseases including tuberculosis, prostate cancer and influenza.

In one of those trials, one serious adverse event cited by researchers was deemed unrelated to the vaccine.
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« Reply #9158 on: October 01, 2020, 02:50:54 PM »
'Super-Sharers Responsible for a Disproportionate Amount of COVID-19 Disinformation On Social Media
https://phys.org/news/2020-10-super-sharers-responsible-disproportionate-amount-covid-.html

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Study Finds ‘Single Largest Driver’ of Coronavirus Misinformation: Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-misinformation.html

WASHINGTON — Of the flood of misinformation, conspiracy theories and falsehoods seeding the internet on the coronavirus, one common thread stands out: President Trump.

That is the conclusion of researchers at Cornell University who analyzed 38 million articles about the pandemic in English-language media around the world. Mentions of Mr. Trump made up nearly 38 percent of the overall “misinformation conversation,” making the president the largest driver of the “infodemic” — falsehoods involving the pandemic.

Coronavirus misinformation: quantifying sources and themes in the
COVID-19 ‘infodemic'

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/evanega-et-al-coronavirus-misinformation-submitted-07-23-20-1/080839ac0c22bca8/full.pdf
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« Reply #9159 on: October 01, 2020, 02:55:17 PM »
Association of Vitamin D Status and Other Clinical Characteristics With COVID-19 Test Results
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770157

Is vitamin D status, reflecting vitamin D levels and treatment, associated with test results for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings:  In this cohort study of 489 patients who had a vitamin D level measured in the year before COVID-19 testing, the relative risk of testing positive for COVID-19 was 1.77 times greater for patients with likely deficient vitamin D status compared with patients with likely sufficient vitamin D status, a difference that was statistically significant. (relative risk, 1.77; 95% CI, 1.12-2.81; P = .02)

Vitamin D deficiency was defined by the last measurement of 25-hydroxycholecalciferol less than 20 ng/mL or 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol less than 18 pg/mL before COVID-19 testing.

These findings appear to support a role of vitamin D status in COVID-19 risk; randomized clinical trials are needed to determine whether broad population interventions and interventions among groups at increased risk of vitamin D deficiency and COVID-19 could reduce COVID-19 incidence.

Predicted COVID-19 rates in the deficient group were 21.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-29.2%) vs 12.2%(95% CI, 8.9%-15.4%) in the sufficient group.

In this single-center, retrospective cohort study, likely deficient vitamin D status was associated with increased COVID-19 risk, a finding that suggests that randomized trials may be needed to determine whether vitamin D affects COVID-19 risk.

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We also note that our sample is enriched in persons with vitamin D deficiency because of the large number of African American individuals, adults with chronic illness, and health care workers, all living in a northern city and exposed to COVID-19 during winter.

I suspect that vitamin pills would not really help African Americans, people with chronic illness, and health care workers to escape Covid. And I do not think pills would help me. Eat fish!
That may be fine, but the article that you brought was basically suggesting that doctors were blaming on Vit D deficiency so as to not blame on social and racial inequalities (basically a US article looking itself to its own belly as if this was not a world problem).

That social inequalities affect epidemics negatively has been established everywhere. That a healthy level of Vit D and administration of Vit D as part of Covid treatment is positive is also generally recognized, and once again, we are talking about thousands of doctors across the world, it makes no sense all of them putting first ideological convictions rather than medical reasons.

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« Reply #9160 on: October 01, 2020, 03:50:56 PM »
Opinions of individual doctors, even thousands of them, is not science

You can find thousands of self-described scientists who don't accept climate science, but that has exactly zero bearing on the veracity of the well established connections between increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere and increasing global temperatures.
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« Reply #9161 on: October 01, 2020, 04:09:41 PM »
Celebs Back Away From Trump Admin.’s $300M COVID-19 Spin Campaign
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/29/hhs-ad-blitz-sputters-as-celebrities-back-away-423274
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/a-boondoggle-trump-admin-s-300m-covid-19-ad-campaign-flounders/

The Trump administration's more-than-$300 million "public advertising and awareness campaign" on the COVID-19 pandemic is floundering as A-list celebrities back away and staff at the Department of Health and Human Services express opposition, according to reporting by Politico.

The campaign—organized by former Trump campaign official Michael Caputo—was intended to "defeat despair" and bolster confidence in the Trump administration's response to the pandemic. To pull it off, Caputo and his team requisitioned $300 million that Congress had previously budgeted for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But the project has been plagued by missteps from an inexperienced team, disorganization, and tepid celebrity interest. So far, it has only managed to recruit Dennis Quaid, CeCe Winans, and Hasidic singer Shulem Lemmer. Quaid dropped out of the campaign this week.

The campaign was further thrown into question earlier this month when Caputo—whom Trump appointed as spokesperson for the HHS—had a psychotic break.

... Josh Peck, a former HHS official who oversaw the Obama administration's advertising campaign for HealthCare.gov, noted to Politico earlier that: "CDC hasn't yet done an awareness campaign about Covid guidelines—but they are going to pay for a campaign about how to get rid of our despair? Run by political appointees in the press shop? Right before an election?"

"It's like every red flag I could dream of,
" he added.

Others expressed frustration that the campaign was not relying on expertise within the HHS. Instead, the campaign contracted with a video firm run by a former business partner of Caputo. The firm has struggled to meet deadlines and retain staff, people involved with the campaign told Politico.

Still others at the HHS were upset that funds were being spent on a video campaign about the pandemic response rather than the pandemic response itself. ... "We're in the middle of a pandemic... we could use that quarter of a billion dollars on buying PPE [personal protective equipment], not promoting PSAs with C-list celebrities."
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« Reply #9162 on: October 01, 2020, 06:03:57 PM »
That a healthy level of Vit D and administration of Vit D as part of Covid treatment is positive is also generally recognized, and once again, we are talking about thousands of doctors across the world, it makes no sense all of them putting first ideological convictions rather than medical reasons.

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FACT: Vitamin and mineral supplements cannot cure COVID-19
Micronutrients, such as vitamins D and C and zinc, are critical for a well-functioning immune system and play a vital role in promoting health and nutritional well-being.  There is currently no guidance on the use of micronutrient supplements as a treatment of COVID-19.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters


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« Reply #9163 on: October 01, 2020, 07:20:31 PM »
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What we want to know is (i.e., wish scientists would study in a careful non-biased manner), how effective (if at all) are certain "micronutrient supplements" towards preventing or minimizing the severity of COVID-19.
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There is currently no guidance on the use of micronutrient supplements as a treatment of COVID-19.
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What we want to know is (i.e., wish scientists would study in a careful non-biased manner), how effective (if at all) are certain "micronutrient supplements" towards preventing or minimizing the severity of COVID-19.
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Eat healthy, get daily exercise and adequate sleep, stay hydrated and take supplements...your general health will improve and you will be able to resist all types of illnesses.

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« Reply #9165 on: October 01, 2020, 07:36:29 PM »
Opinions of individual doctors, even thousands of them, is not science

You can find thousands of self-described scientists who don't accept climate science, but that has exactly zero bearing on the veracity of the well established connections between increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere and increasing global temperatures.



I concur. with the above statement.

Doctor's aren't even scientists. 

MD's, and DO's, chiropractors, etc.  They have a bachelors degree and then 2 years of medical school classes. 

A doctor's opinion is useful but it's not even remotely close to actual science.

There are SOME doctors who also have PhD's and they are usually professors, and have legitimate scientific opinions on various subjects.
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« Reply #9166 on: October 01, 2020, 07:59:49 PM »
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....MD's, and DO's, chiropractors, etc.  They have a bachelors degree and then 2 years of medical school classes. 

Maybe in Europe. In the US that would be called a 'nurse'.

US MD program: 4 years for bachelor's degree; 4 years for medical school; 3-7 years in residency and fellowships depending on specialty

Getting into a MD program is much harder than getting into a PhD program.

PhD.= Doctor of Philosophy (specialty)
MD = Doctor of Medicine
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« Reply #9167 on: October 01, 2020, 08:14:58 PM »
Getting into medical school in the US is not "easy", but it doesn't require much beyond good grades.  The MCAT is the big obstacle.  Any high score, with a decent GPA will be an automatic acceptance to the majority of Medical Schools.  Our doctor's are great at taking tests.   

Besides those requirements, it's just extremely expensive, as long as the applicant qualifies for $100-400k in student loans, they will get accepted.

To get a residency, especially a quality residency, it much more challenging.  Residency generally lasts for 2-6 years, depending on the specialty.  Generally, only the top % get the good residencies, and many will just accept whatever they can find at whatever hospital.

  But just getting an MD is relatively straightforward, and the failure rate is quite low from my recollection.

That being said, even after a residency, MD's aren't really scientists.  Certain MD's focus on research, and those ones are qualified to give scientific opinions.  Our society has extremely low standards for "Scientific opinions", however.  So MD's have no trouble getting an audience.

A PhD professor, such as Dr. John Campbell, is far more qualified to comment on this pandemic from a scientific standpoint, than an ordinary MD.
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« Reply #9168 on: October 01, 2020, 08:28:34 PM »
I'm betting it's easier to become a member of the ASIF than to become an MD.

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« Reply #9169 on: October 01, 2020, 08:30:47 PM »
Yes, Oren.  Thanks for pointing that out.

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« Reply #9170 on: October 01, 2020, 11:40:38 PM »
That a healthy level of Vit D and administration of Vit D as part of Covid treatment is positive is also generally recognized, and once again, we are talking about thousands of doctors across the world, it makes no sense all of them putting first ideological convictions rather than medical reasons.

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FACT: Vitamin and mineral supplements cannot cure COVID-19
Micronutrients, such as vitamins D and C and zinc, are critical for a well-functioning immune system and play a vital role in promoting health and nutritional well-being.  There is currently no guidance on the use of micronutrient supplements as a treatment of COVID-19.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters


Nobody is saying that it can cure, but that it IS part of the treatment because it is beneficial. And not everybody can eat as much vit D rich fish as a scandinavian as you. Obtuse.

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« Reply #9171 on: October 01, 2020, 11:45:03 PM »
Guidance from WHO must amount as much as no guidance from WHO.
Especially for doctors that must save lives and not wait for the last CPP or elite billionaire guided occurrence from Tedros.

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« Reply #9172 on: October 01, 2020, 11:56:22 PM »
Association of Vitamin D Status and Other Clinical Characteristics With COVID-19 Test Results
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770157

Is vitamin D status, reflecting vitamin D levels and treatment, associated with test results for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings:  In this cohort study of 489 patients who had a vitamin D level measured in the year before COVID-19 testing, the relative risk of testing positive for COVID-19 was 1.77 times greater for patients with likely deficient vitamin D status compared with patients with likely sufficient vitamin D status, a difference that was statistically significant. (relative risk, 1.77; 95% CI, 1.12-2.81; P = .02)

Vitamin D deficiency was defined by the last measurement of 25-hydroxycholecalciferol less than 20 ng/mL or 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol less than 18 pg/mL before COVID-19 testing.

These findings appear to support a role of vitamin D status in COVID-19 risk; randomized clinical trials are needed to determine whether broad population interventions and interventions among groups at increased risk of vitamin D deficiency and COVID-19 could reduce COVID-19 incidence.

Predicted COVID-19 rates in the deficient group were 21.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-29.2%) vs 12.2%(95% CI, 8.9%-15.4%) in the sufficient group.

In this single-center, retrospective cohort study, likely deficient vitamin D status was associated with increased COVID-19 risk, a finding that suggests that randomized trials may be needed to determine whether vitamin D affects COVID-19 risk.

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We also note that our sample is enriched in persons with vitamin D deficiency because of the large number of African American individuals, adults with chronic illness, and health care workers, all living in a northern city and exposed to COVID-19 during winter.

I suspect that vitamin pills would not really help African Americans, people with chronic illness, and health care workers to escape Covid. And I do not think pills would help me. Eat fish!

Do you think that most Black American population in Bronx and Queens can afford as much salmon as you can? Do you know how expensive fresh salmon is in NYC compared to the purchase power of the average outer NYC neighborhood citizen? Do you know they have a big disadvantage of having the skin adapted to living in equatorial regions but living in mid latitude regions only for the last 400 years? Don’t you think all that is a perfect low Vit D storm that has exploded to them now instead of all the ideological bullcrap from the article you brought?

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« Reply #9173 on: October 02, 2020, 01:33:35 AM »
The WHO is not not wrong on Vitamin D as a cure. (No typo here.) While it is not a complete cure, it is a treatment. Problem is an ethical large number study. But here is a small one from Spain:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764
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Our pilot study demonstrated that administration of a high dose of Calcifediol or 25-hydroxyvitamin D, a main metabolite of vitamin D endocrine system, significantly reduced the need for ICU treatment of patients requiring hospitalization due to proven COVID-19. Calcifediol seems to be able to reduce severity of the disease, but larger trials with groups properly matched will be required to show a definitive answer.

The higher death rate of Black Americans is often blamed exclusively on socioeconomic reasons. (Multicausal thinking sooo hard...) So, let's have a look at Black Canadians!

Black Canadians get sick more from COVID-19. Scientists aim to find out why
 Sep 25, 2020
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/black-covid-antibody-study-1.5737452

No mention of Vitamin D! This is getting ridicu-lousy!

Dr. John Campbell is slowly losing his patience with Vitamin D denialism...



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« Reply #9174 on: October 02, 2020, 01:47:43 AM »
I'm betting it's easier to become a member of the ASIF than to become an MD.

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« Reply #9175 on: October 02, 2020, 03:25:57 AM »
Dear SH, As a fisherman and a farmer I think getting your vitamins from naturals sources like vegetables and fish is a good idea. Sardines or Mackerel are both high in vitamin D and relatively inexpensive. Our personal eating habits are something that can affect our health and I believe many many Americans make very bad food choices on a daily basis. Junk food is called junk for a good reason. IMO sugar is over the timeframe of decades more deadly than Covid. If you don’t think you are addicted yourself try eating a diet that contains zero added sugar. Almost impossible to constrain your sugar intake unless you cook your own food from natural sources. I have been poor enough to know junk food is cheap. People need to take responsibility for their food choices, it might even save a few primary producers like me or provide jobs in food production for ethnic minorities who often grow our vegetables, at least where I live.

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« Reply #9176 on: October 02, 2020, 04:15:23 AM »
Dear SH, As a fisherman and a farmer I think getting your vitamins from naturals sources like vegetables and fish is a good idea. Sardines or Mackerel are both high in vitamin D and relatively inexpensive.
At the end of the video I posted above [still in moderation] Dr. Campbell mentions a study on how India did during the Spanish Flu 1918/19: Most Indians are vegetarian, but in Kerala people eat fish. The death reate in Kerala was significantly lower.

In Skandinavia they not only eat lots of fish but also have standard Vitamin D enforced food. They have far less flu excess mortality than most of Europe. And it is almost certainly a significant part of Sweden's "success" story with Corona (if you don't compare them with Finland and Norway).
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« Reply #9177 on: October 02, 2020, 07:04:29 AM »
Donald Dumb just tweeted...

Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!

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« Reply #9178 on: October 02, 2020, 08:14:30 AM »
Donald Dumb just tweeted...

Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!

Justice does exist...  ;D

First of all, I never ever wish any creature any harm, not even Trump
Second, justice is (at the minimum) is what happened to Boris Johnson.

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« Reply #9179 on: October 02, 2020, 08:22:26 AM »
Hicks was seen on Tuesday riding maskless in a staff van with White House senior adviser Stephen Miller, campaign adviser Jason Miller and others.

When they returned to Washington on Tuesday, Stephen Miller and Hicks were seen sharing an umbrella as they exited Air Force One in the rain. Miller’s wife, Katie Miller – Vice President Mike Pence’s press secretary – recovered from Covid-19 earlier this year.

Hicks felt poorly in Minnesota on Wednesday and was quarantined aboard Air Force One during the return flight, according to people familiar with the matter. She tested positive for the virus on Thursday.

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« Reply #9180 on: October 02, 2020, 08:29:34 AM »
Australia’s coronavirus expert Dr Norman Swan (Australia’s Dr Fauci) says that at the president’s age of 74 the mortality rate is 5-12%.

But, he says, that obesity (the president is just over the line as obese in his last medical check) increases the risk by an extra 40%, increasing the risk of death to between about 7-18%
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« Reply #9181 on: October 02, 2020, 08:47:30 AM »
Donald Dumb just tweeted...

Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!

Justice does exist...  ;D

I wouldn't be so judgemental as to call this justice, but it never seemed unlikely that this would have happened, what with all the crowded maskless rallies. It seems that he caught it from his aide, but she herself had to catch it somewhere.

So what happens now? Currently the infection seems to be asymptomatic, and may well stay that way, so it's fairly likely he'll have a period of isolation then on with the show. At the other extreme, the overall case mortality in septuagenarians is about 5%. It'll be lower for him of course - although the man's obese, he's also physically active, we don't know of any other comorbidities and he's obvs going to get the best of possible care, plus he's asymptomatic so far. Then there's a single figure percentage possibility that he survives but is ruled out of the presidential race by illness, eg if intubated in the ICU, suffering a severe stroke etc.

Either way, the running then becomes Biden Vs Pence. Who knows how that would go?

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« Reply #9182 on: October 02, 2020, 10:02:11 AM »
1. It is a commonly used technique by dictators to fake their own deaths and then emerge victorious. So take Trump's positivity with a grain of salt. He is probably doing it to gain support. Edit: Look at how all the media and even the military is going all out to make sure we KNOW Trump has Coronavirus. I'm certain he is faking it.

2. How is it justice if he gets Coronavirus? Even at his age he probably will be out and about in a week or two. Justice would be to put him in prison for the rest of his miserable life for the deaths and economic loses that his continual lying and cheating caused.
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« Reply #9183 on: October 02, 2020, 12:21:34 PM »
There's more evidence that the virus got out from the Wuhan laboratory than evidence that it mysteriously appeared from an open food market that didn't sell bats.

We know that laboratory was studying Horeshoe bats, and was actively studying novel coronaviruses.

Bats have a high metabolic rate and a highly active immune system, which is why bat viruses have to be particularly good at spreading and/or evading the immune system. Thus a bat virus jumping into another species can be especially dangerous. The same is true for bird viruses, but perhaps a bat virus can jump more easily into another mammal.

That is the reason why bat viruses are studied in labs, and why the bat origins of the virus is no surprise to experts. No need for conspiracy theories beyond that.

Also, the virus probably did not jump from bats to humans directly but through another species, pangolin has been mentioned as a candidate.

Here is a brief article discussing the origins:

The origin of SARS-CoV-2
The Lancet: Infectious Diseases, September 2020
https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(20)30641-1

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“If the virus had been human-made, that would show in its genome”, counters Robertson. “Besides, if you were going to create a coronavirus that can be transmitted by humans, you would almost certainly start with the first SARS virus. SARS-CoV-2 is like nothing we have seen before. It really is highly unlikely that someone created it; it is not put together from pieces we know about.” SARS-CoV-2 is closely related to other beta coronaviruses such as RaTG13, a bat virus that the Wuhan Institute of Virology has been working on. But it only shares 96% of its genome sequence with RaTG13, which makes them roughly as similar as human beings and chimpanzees, and points to a common ancestor rather than one springing from the other.

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« Reply #9184 on: October 02, 2020, 01:59:56 PM »
How much you want to bet this will be Time’s Virus of the year?
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Here is a brief article discussing the origins:

The origin of SARS-CoV-2
The Lancet: Infectious Diseases, September 2020
https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(20)30641-1



The article you references is just a news opinion, it's not an article or peer-review.  The author has no credentials and is just a normal reporter. 

That doesn't stop Talha Burki from posting "the origins of SARS" as the title, as if she's the authority on the subject.    ::)
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« Reply #9186 on: October 02, 2020, 03:35:21 PM »
Coronavirus Vaccine Trial Participants Report Day-Long Exhaustion, Fever and Headaches
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-participants-exhaustion-fever-headaches.html

Luke Hutchison woke up in the middle of the night with chills and a fever after taking the COVID-19 booster shot in Moderna’s vaccine trial. Another coronavirus vaccine trial participant, testing Pfizer’s candidate, similarly woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth after taking the second dose. 

After getting the first shot on Aug. 18, he said he felt a little under the weather for several days with a low-grade fever. He got his second shot at a clinic on Sept. 15. Eight hours later, he said he was bed bound with a fever of over 101, shakes, chills, a pounding headache and shortness of breath. He said the pain in his arm, where he received the shot, felt like a “goose egg on my shoulder.” He hardly slept that night, recording that his temperature was higher than 100 degrees for five hours.

One North Carolina woman in the Moderna study who is in her 50s said she didn’t experience a fever but suffered a bad migraine that left her drained for a day and unable to focus. She said she woke up the next day feeling better after taking Excedrin, but added that Moderna may need to tell people to take a day off after a second dose.

She said other people in the trial have joined a couple of private Facebook groups and have shared similar experiences. She said members of the groups also reported a fever and pain in the arm similar to getting a tetanus shot, adding “you’re not going to be lifting weights or working out.”

“If this proves to work, people are going to have to toughen up,” she said. “The first dose is no big deal. And then the second dose will definitely put you down for the day for sure. ... You will need to take a day off after the second dose.”

A Maryland participant in his late 20s said he experienced nausea after the first shot, but it wasn’t until the second that he “really felt things.”

He said he woke up at 1 a.m. with chills and a 104 fever. He said the fever went down after he took Advil and Tylenol but it lasted until around 8 p.m. He said Moderna promptly responded, calling him within an hour after he reported his symptoms in the app.

“I wasn’t sure if I needed to go to the hospital or not because 104 is pretty high,” he said. “But other than that, it’s been fine.”

A physician in Baltimore participating in the Pfizer study is due for his second dose on Saturday. While he said his symptoms were “very mild” for the first dose, he wouldn’t be surprised if others experienced symptoms more serious than a flu shot and said people should be prepared for that.

Another participant in Pfizer’s trial said he was up all night after the first shot from the pain of the injection. The booster injection he received caused more of that same pain in his arm, followed by intense flu-like symptoms that hit him around 1a.m. He couldn’t sleep that night without an electric blanket, and shook so hard that it became uncontrollable and he cracked part of his tooth from chattering them.

“It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said, before he decided to see a doctor.

... Moderna and Pfizer have acknowledged that their vaccines could induce side effects that are similar to symptoms associated with mild COVID-19, such as muscle pain, chills and headache. As companies progressed through clinical trials, several vaccine makers abandoned their highest doses following reports of more severe reactions.

Infectious disease specialist Florian Krammer of New York’s Mount Sinai said on Twitter that the side effects reported in Moderna’s phase one trial are “unpleasant but not dangerous.” It remains to be seen whether kids and pregnant women will experience similar symptoms.

The trials are still ongoing, so it remains to be seen how many participants who received the vaccine will report side effects.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2022483

http://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.17.20176651v2

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid-19-vaccines-may-cause-mild-side-effects-experts-say-stressing-need-for-education-not-alarm/

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Leading Covid-19 Vaccine Trial Resumes In Japan but Not US
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-covid-vaccine-trial-resumes-japan.html

Trials on the coronavirus vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University have resumed in Japan but not the United States, where the pharmaceutical giant is working with regulators, a statement released Friday said.

The Financial Times, citing sources close to the case, reported that the US drug regulator the FDA had expanded its investigation into the serious side effects suffered by one trial participant, which had led to a brief halt in the tests.

... The European Medicines Agency (EMA) estimates that it could take until at least early 2021 for a vaccine against COVID-19 to be approved and available for global use.
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« Reply #9187 on: October 02, 2020, 03:55:51 PM »
Three students at the high school here are infected, one online and two in class.
Classes will continue as normal with social distancing as before.
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« Reply #9188 on: October 02, 2020, 04:37:34 PM »
Nine In Ten Recovered COVID-19 Patients Experience Side-Effects - Study
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN26K1GC

SEOUL (Reuters) - Nine in ten coronavirus patients reported experiencing side-effects such as fatigue, psychological after-effects and loss of smell and taste after they recovered from the disease, according to a preliminary study by South Korea.

In an online survey of 965 recovered COVID-19 patients, 879 people or 91.1% responded they were suffering at least one side-effect from the disease, the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency (KDCA) official Kwon Jun-wook told a briefing.

Fatigue was the most common side-effect with 26.2% reading, followed by difficulty in concentration which had 24.6%, Kwon said.

Other after-effects included psychological or mental side-effects and loss of taste or smell.

Kim Shin-woo, professor of internal medicine at Kyungpook National University School of Medicine in Daegu, sought comments from 5,762 recovered patients in South Korea and 16.7% of them participated in the survey, said Kwon. [... may suggest a self-selection bias...]

While the research was done online for now, lead researcher Kim will soon publish the study with detailed analysis, he said.

South Korea is also conducting a separate study with some 16 medical organisations on potential complications of the disease through a detailed analysis involving CT scans on recovered patients next year, Kwon told the briefing.
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« Reply #9189 on: October 02, 2020, 04:50:57 PM »
In re "The Lancet" article by Talha Burki

It does have a DOI    https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(20)30641-1

So, not a peer reviewed study.    However "The Lancet" is not just any magazine.   And I doubt that Talha Burki is just any reporter.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/doSearch?searchType=authorLookUp&author=Burki,%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Talha&prod=LN   

I am partial to the U of Iowa, I worked long ago in a very minor position there, I did look up  Dr Perlman who was quoted in the article.  He seems to know his stuff.   

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Going after bats will only give you partial information—the viruses you are looking at may or may not get the additional mutations they need to be transmissible among humans”, explains Stanley Perlman, professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Iowa, IA, USA. “There has almost always been an intermediary involved, and without knowing what that is and what changes the virus would have to undergo, it is very hard to make any kind of predictions.”

The article in my opinion is "not a bad little introduction."   A joint monograph submitted for peer review would be nicer, but you have to take what you can get.   

Digressing to other possible origins. 

Myself, if someone has a strong belief that a pathogen crossed directly into infecting humanity via a viral laboratory, I will not disparage or disrespect.  At the least it is a valid hypothesis.  But what with all the disease centre labs out there (and the US has a few in eastern Europe) - how do you actually prove beyond a shadow of a doubt which one. And that is after proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the origin is from lab  Z and not lab A.  Or proving that the disease is from a lab, migrated to a new host and then to humans. 

 Another factor that does not influence the epidemic is accidental via incompetence or planned.   All laboratories make mistakes.  So if laboratory Z in country Y was the origin of an epidemic, Country A performing similar tests and making mistakes also should examine if they live in a glass house before lobbing boulders.

  My own bias for any new or mutated virus is to look first at encroachment - deforestation with human hunting of wild meat and then CAFO's,  (concentrated animal feeding operations) and also wild birds migrating (for influenzas).   Looking back at the location of the Plum Island Animal Disease Center and the first locus of Lymes's disease does make me ponder the possibility that it could have jumped out there.  Ponder. 

 Although not a laboratory, the Dugaway Sheep incident is an example that still has advocates of accidental or purposeful, or purposeful that exceeded expectations.   The sheep were still dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugway_sheep_incident

In a world where things like Operation Northwoods  almost happened, you have to entertain the notion constantly that the official truth of any large government may not be 100% correct, possibly even 100% false.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

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The previously secret document was originally made public on 18 November 1997, by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board,[7]

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Donald Trump Showing Mild 'Cold-Like Symptoms' – Reports
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Trump is showing symptoms of the novel coronavirus, but mild ones, according to two people familiar with his condition, reports the New York Times. Maggie Haberman writes:

The president has had what one person described as cold-like symptoms. At a fund-raiser he attended at his golf club at Bedminster, New Jersey, on Thursday, where one attendee said the president came in contact with about 100 people, he seemed lethargic.

A person briefed on the matter said that Mr. Trump fell asleep at one point on Air Force One on the way back from a rally in Minnesota on Wednesday night.

A White House official said that as of Thursday night, the president’s treatment plan was still being discussed. So was a possible national address or a videotaped statement from the president to demonstrate that he was functioning and that the government is uninterrupted.


White House chief of staff Mark Meadows confirmed the White House learned of Hope Hicks’ positive test result yesterday, as Marine One was taking off to start the president’s trip to New Jersey.

Despite that, Trump continued on to New Jersey and held a fundraising event with donors.

Gov. Philip D. Murphy of New Jersey urged people who attended Mr. Trump’s Bedminster fund-raiser to get tested and said that the state was using contact tracing to try to find them.
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Republican donors who attended Trump’s fundraising event in New Jersey yesterday are reportedly panicking following news that the president has tested positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/02/gop-donors-panic-after-coming-close-to-trump-at-fundraiser-hours-before-positive-covid-19-test.html

CNBC reports:

...GOP donors have been reaching out to Trump campaign and GOP officials for any guidance following the event, according to a person briefed on the matter.

‘The donors have been texting and calling. Freaking Out,’ the person with direct knowledge said. This person declined to be named as the conversations were deemed private.

Trump’s campaign, as of Friday morning, has not sent out any official guidance to many of the donors involved with the event.

About 30 to 50 donors came close to the president Thursday night, this person added, while noting most of the interaction with Trump took place outdoors. Many of those contributors who have been able to get in touch with GOP officials have been told to stay home and reach out to their physician for next steps. (... suckers!...)


https://mobile.twitter.com/GovMurphy/status/1312019407682637824

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Two days before announcing he had contracted Covid-19, Donald Trump was tossing campaign baseball caps into his campaign rally crowd with his bare hands while in Duluth, Minnesota.



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https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/trumps-infection-outlook-with-covid-19-and-the-likelihood-of-white-house-spread/

Already, Trump has symptoms, suggesting he is not among the lucky minority of people who never develop symptoms during the course of their infection. Moreover, Trump is in a high-risk group for severe disease and even death: He’s male, 74, and clinically obese. (His body mass index is 30.5 - 34.0, and anything over 30 is considered obese).

Having a BMI of over 30 can triple the risk of being hospitalized for COVID-19. In a June CDC study of more than a million cases of COVID-19 in the US, about 34 percent of people aged 70-79 required hospitalization, and about 17 percent of that group died.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6924e2-H.pdf

... Onset of symptoms provides a critical data point to assess the course of Trump’s infection. According to a systemic review and meta-analysis of COVID-19 data, people infected with the virus are typically most infectious about one to two days before showing symptoms and about five days after symptom onset. Infectiousness appears to peak right around the onset of symptoms. That’s when levels of SARS-CoV-2 genetic material are highest in the upper respiratory tract.

The data solidly suggests that at least Trump and Hicks have exposed many White House staff, officials, and supporters to the pandemic coronavirus this week. The two both traveled to a rally in Minnesota Wednesday, and the president attended a fundraiser in New Jersey on Thursday, at which he reportedly came in contact with about 100 people.

... A senior campaign official for Biden told CNN that no one from Trump’s campaign or the White House reached out to alert them of possible exposure at the debate

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Fox News: White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas reacts to Trump's coronavirus diagnosis, says 'zero reason to panic'



Fox News anchor Chris Wallace, who moderated Tuesday’s presidential debate, took issue with trusting Atlas as a source of information.

“I’m going to say something, and folks, I’m just trying to give you the truth,” Wallace said. “Dr Scott Atlas is not an epidemiologist, is not an infectious disease specialist. He has no training in this area at all.”

Wallace referenced reports indicating other members of the White House coronavirus task force have raised concerns about Atlas’ credibility.

“I very much hope everything he says is true,” Wallace added. “One, he can’t know because the president is just in the earliest stages of this. And two, you know, I understand the desire of the White House and its political people to try to talk this down.”

Wallace then urged viewers to follow the advice of health experts like Drs Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx. “Listen to the independent people who do not have a political ax to grind, and I frankly don’t think Scott Atlas is one of those people,” Wallace said.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1312025436361297930
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« Reply #9191 on: October 02, 2020, 06:50:51 PM »
The article you references is just a news opinion, it's not an article or peer-review.  The author has no credentials and is just a normal reporter. 

That doesn't stop Talha Burki from posting "the origins of SARS" as the title, as if she's the authority on the subject.    ::)

Yes, it is not a peer-reviewed paper. I thought about mentioning that but considered it unnecessary as it should already be clear from the part I quoted. But it is an article in The Lancet.

More importantly, the included quote cites David Robertson, who is an expert. The (peer-revied) paper co-authored by Robertson mentioned in the article is this:

Evolutionary origins of the SARS-CoV-2 sarbecovirus lineage responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic
Nature Microbiology, July 2020
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41564-020-0771-4

EDIT: Changed the tone to less confrontational.
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« Reply #9192 on: October 02, 2020, 08:44:39 PM »

Evolutionary origins of the SARS-CoV-2 sarbecovirus lineage responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic
Nature Microbiology, July 2020
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41564-020-0771-4
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« Reply #9193 on: October 02, 2020, 10:15:09 PM »
EU Regulator Starts Safety Review of Coronavirus Drug
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-eu-safety-coronavirus-drug.html

The European Medicines Agency says it has started a safety review after some patients taking the coronavirus drug remdesivir reported serious kidney problems.

In a statement on Friday, the EU regulator said it isn't clear whether remdesivir was causing the "acute kidney injury," but that the issue "warrants further investigation."

Remdesivir was given a conditional marketing authorization by the EMA on July 3 and can be used to treat people older than age 12 with severe COVID-19 and pneumonia who require oxygen treatment. The approval for the drug was fast-tracked with the understanding that more evidence would be submitted after a license was granted.

The European Medicines Agency said the potential problem of kidney toxicity caused by remdesivir was evaluated when the conditional approval was given but that analysis was mainly based on animal studies. It noted that kidney injuries can be caused by other factors, including diabetes and the coronavirus itself.
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EU Regulator Starts Safety Review of Coronavirus Drug
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-eu-safety-coronavirus-drug.html

The European Medicines Agency says it has started a safety review after some patients taking the coronavirus drug remdesivir reported serious kidney problems.

In a statement on Friday, the EU regulator said it isn't clear whether remdesivir was causing the "acute kidney injury," but that the issue "warrants further investigation."

Remdesivir was given a conditional marketing authorization by the EMA on July 3 and can be used to treat people older than age 12 with severe COVID-19 and pneumonia who require oxygen treatment. The approval for the drug was fast-tracked with the understanding that more evidence would be submitted after a license was granted.

The European Medicines Agency said the potential problem of kidney toxicity caused by remdesivir was evaluated when the conditional approval was given but that analysis was mainly based on animal studies. It noted that kidney injuries can be caused by other factors, including diabetes and the coronavirus itself.
Meanwhile In the US drugs HCQ, Ivermectin, you-name-drug-no-money-for-gilead are not recommended for covid 19, $5000 rendesivir treatment gets a very warm ok from NIH, FDA, Dems, Reps, FOX, CNN, MSDNC...

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« Reply #9195 on: October 03, 2020, 12:42:24 AM »
trump has been hospitalized with covid 19
he has a fever.

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« Reply #9196 on: October 03, 2020, 12:43:23 AM »
trump is 74 and obese putting him at high risk for complications

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« Reply #9197 on: October 03, 2020, 01:12:21 AM »
Donald Trump to be Hospitalized Following Covid Diagnosis, White House Says
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1312141646549508096

The White House has confirmed that the president will go to Walter Reed medical center and stay there for “the next few days”.

In < 24 hrs Trump has gone from no symptoms to mild symptoms to fever/fatigue to experimental drugs to admission to Walter Reed Medical Center for "several days."


bye-de-bye

... The White House physician said Trump “remains fatigued but in good spirits” after testing positive for coronavirus. In a statement released by the White House, Dr Sean Conley said Trump was being treated with an experimental coronavirus antibody cocktail (Regeneron), as well as zinc, vitamin D and melatonin. The first lady, who also tested positive, “remains well with only a mild cough and headache”, Conley added.

Trump is not transferring power to the vice-president, Mike Pence, as he heads to the hospital for what is expected to be a few days, NBC News reports.

“The president is in charge,” a White House spokeswoman said.

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Now that the president has been diagnosed with coronavirus, White House staffers are wearing masks in a way they did not before.

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Trump adviser said there is reason for concern about Trump's health tonight. "This is serious," the source said. The source went on to describe Trump as very tired, very fatigued, and having some trouble breathing. WH officials continue to say Trump will be fine.

Trump himself was “spooked” about testing positive and “increasingly alarmed” as he developed symptoms, including a fever, overnight.

The president “has never overnighted at a hospital before,” and has a longstanding “distaste for hospitals,” Bloomberg’s White House correspodent notes.

“The fact that Trump, who is wary of doctors, agreed to go to Walter Reed is a sign of concern about his condition,” several sources told Bloomberg.

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« Reply #9198 on: October 03, 2020, 02:31:35 AM »
CDC identifies new Covid-19 syndrome in adults similar to MIS-C in kids
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/health/coronavirus-misc-cdc-new-syndrome-adults/index.html
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They're calling it multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults, or MIS-A, and say it's similar to multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children or MIS-C. Like MIS-C, MIS-A is not obviously linked to coronavirus and sufferers may not show any other symptoms that would point to Covid-19 infection.
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« Reply #9199 on: October 03, 2020, 03:55:41 AM »
Heck, when will the Trump thing end. It is 3am here and I'm watching Rachel Maddow once again...
(David Ho just awarded her an honorary MD :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ho )

Given that
1) Trump's test was very recent
2) The WH has good medical facilities
3) He got flown to hospital already
it looks his infection develops rapidly and is severe.

Thus there is a "good" chance above the 5-10% Covid mortality of his age group that he will be gone soon.

That would be quite bad at this moment.
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